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The defense held MS St to -21 yards on 17 plays on their final 4 drives. The comeback doesn't happen if the defense doesn't play great in the 4th quarter and OT. 

True but counterpoint is we don’t need a cumback if they didn’t suck for 3.5 quarters . Maybe Taffe is the coach on the field . Was not expecting them to be that bad yesterday.
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13 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The defense held MS St to -21 yards on 17 plays on their final 4 drives. The comeback doesn't happen if the defense doesn't play great in the 4th quarter and OT. 

the last quarter is how this team could have looked for 90% of the year if Sark and Flood had done their jobs.  they should both return their paychecks this year it is so bad.

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2 minutes ago, Quagmire said:


True but counterpoint is we don’t need a cumback if they didn’t suck for 3.5 quarters . Maybe Taffe is the coach on the field . Was not expecting them to be that bad yesterday.

Yeah but given the main reason we have 6 wins this season is our defense, I'll give them one shitty game with Taaffe out. Just take a win any way we can get them with this team. It's ugly but it's also pretty damn fun and hilarious. Imagine you're a MS State fan this morning after thinking you were going to finally get a win against an SEC team and hated Texas at that. Nope. 

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It’s clear as day Sark can’t read a game environment and adjust his philosophy and maintain it. We will come out vs Vandy like we did vs Kentucky - learning nothing from the previous week. 

Flood seems worse than useless - he seems like a hindrance. Sark had to go against everything he believes in for this team to find a pulse. The line started blocking differently in the 4th, I am curios to know who forced whose hand  

Is he stubborn? Overextended as the HC and can’t focus 100% on the game itself? One eye somewhere else? 

 

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Yeah but given the main reason we have 6 wins this season is our defense, I'll give them one shitty game with Taaffe out. Just take a win any way we can get them with this team. It's ugly but it's also pretty damn fun and hilarious. Imagine you're a MS State fan this morning after thinking you were going to finally get a win against an SEC team and hated Texas at that. Nope. 

I did enjoy the crowd shots post game they were in disbelief they thought they had it in the bag.
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20 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Imagine you're a MS State fan this morning after thinking you were going to finally get a win against an SEC team and hated Texas at that. Nope. 

Also, fuck Jeff Lebby.

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I keep thinking when Sark was OC at bama, when he ran a few series of “his” offense that didn’t work Saban would get on the headset and tell to stop fucking around and score. 

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28 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yeah but given the main reason we have 6 wins this season is our defense, I'll give them one shitty game with Taaffe out. Just take a win any way we can get them with this team. It's ugly but it's also pretty damn fun and hilarious. Imagine you're a MS State fan this morning after thinking you were going to finally get a win against an SEC team and hated Texas at that. Nope. 

Agreed

It was an ugly win, but the most fun I've had watching Texas football all season. Entertaining Q4 comeback. I don't know how Sark watches this and goes back to what wasn't working in 12 personnel.

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9 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Listen bros. Here is what I am going to say. Last year when we played good defenses like Georgia we looked completely inept offensively. Then there would come a point in the game where we would get desperate and Sark would start spreading it out and we would look like a completely different offense. Spreading the formations and running with more receivers cleans up the whole picture for the quarterback. If you are 4 and 5 wide, its hard for the defense to disguise what they are in. Further so if you are sending guys in motion every snap to make them declare man or zone. Last year when we played Georgia in the SEC championship Sark came out in 11 personnel or 4 wide and Quinn lit them up for 160 yards in 20 minutes. Then we settled into two tight end sets and we bogged down for the rest of the game. 

Well, take a look at what we did and how Arch responding from the end of the 3rd Qtr and on. 

 

 1st and 10 and we are in 11 personnel here(1 TE and 1 back). Us being in 11 personnel makes us faster because the TEs we are currently employing are slow. Take one off for another WR and routes get completed faster meaning Arch can let it fly that much sooner. State responds with a legit 3-2-6  which is a fucking mistake. Our line struggles with passing off rushers and our QB struggles moving quickly through his progressions. Now you just solved both of our issues in one fell swoop. Now look at the route concepts here. Two comeback routes on the outside. Easy to read. Easy to throw. A 5 yard drag for a hot and a 12 yard dig going the other way. Arch is superb here. Ball is out on the break. Not a G-damned thing the DB can do about it great ball!

 

 

3rd and 10 and State is going to bring the house. We keep Wisner in to block and successfully wash down the defensive line allowing Manning to slide out to his left and buy time for these routes to develop. Yall should recognize the route combo. Its the same post with a dig combo we always run. Arch always fucks this up. The deep dig is almost always open underneath, and it's wide the fuck open here but it doesn't matter because Wingo is too fast for State safeties. It's double coverage and he still destroys their angle. When you see this you see why Sark had Wingo in there but damn it if dude doesn't fellate large phallus 50% of the time. Arch underthrows it a little as not to miss for a big gainer. 

 

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So here we are on the goalline in 12 personnel. We are going to motion Wingo to the boundary. Their entire defense is worried about Wingo, and both safeties shift to get a man over top of him. Sark just put their DB on an island 1v1 with Livingstone. At first when I saw this throw I thought it was late. But pay attention. The DB is in 13's hip pocket but Parker gives a little stiff arm right on his break that created space, and that's when Arch throws. any sooner and I am not sure it would be broken up. Beautiful throw by Arch and great catch by 13.  Arch maybe could've thrown it 3 feet sooner at best. We max protect as we roll this pocket, keeping 7 in to block. 

 

 

We are in 11 personnel. We have a bit of a modified smash route to the boundary. Now the smash can be run a myriad of ways. Traditionally the inside receiver runs an out, and the outside receiver runs a corner. Sark changes this combo a lot but today the outside runs an out while the TE runs an arrow. The QB is reading the outside corner. If he is up he throws the corner route over his head between the corner and the safety. However, if he is playing off you rip the under. At the snap State makes it easy as they try to roll coverage to the field and Arch correctly takes the short throw. Now look at the pass rush. DJ's man beats him and comes completely free but Arch gets rid of the football so quickly that it doesn't matter. Normally Arch holds this ball looking for a deeper route and gets sacked. Nice work Arch. We had this same call on vs OU and he didn't throw it. 

 

 

3rd and 3. State is going to bring 6. Sark has a man beater on with Parker running the 5 yard drag. Arch correctly identifies the blitz but is just a touch slow getting this ball out. Regardless, at least he saw it. That's what needs to happen for teams to stop blitzing us so frequently. This would've been even better if Sark allowed the receivers to sight adjust. If Parker's man runs by him to blitz he should run a quick 4 yard hook. By crossing he ran himself right into the defenders in the middle. 

 

 

 

 

Sark is in his bag here. 11 personnel. We are going to motion Moore to the boundary which gives us trips to that side. A man comes with him which tells Arch it's man coverage. At the snap the TE runs up the seam carrying his man, but making sure to run outside the LB who is responsible for Wisner creating a natural pick. Arch hits him and Tre does the rest. Nice playcall by Sark. Again, this is the kind of ball Arch has to throw to beat the blitz. 

 

 

So back in 11 personnel. Remember that smash concept a couple plays ago where Arch threw the quick arrow route because the corner was playing off. Here is the same concept but the corner squats on the under so we just pitch it over his head. Pretty simple read that works against quite a lot of coverages. Why don't we run it all the time? We do. Arch is just dealing here. 

 

 

 

This next one is what Manning struggles with. Were are in 11 personnel.  Sark is trying to isolate Wingo against a DB for a speed out that Wingo should win, especially with this much cushion. A few things about it. Yes, Arch is late on this throw and as you can see it allows the DB to recover and make a okay. But more importantly than that, Wingo runs a shitty route. He never stems his route(get the receiver to turn his hips) and just rounds the route off to the sideline. Then. Catch the fucking football G-damnit! This fucking guy. 

 

 

As yall know we run this fake screen all the time and I don't think it ever works when run with a TE. Takes too long to develop. Two receivers and it happens way faster and you can get the ball out faster. 

 

 

2nd and 10. State gives us a 3 man rush. Manning probably had more time to throw but checked it down quickly. I love to see it. It's 2nd and 10 and if you miss here State is bringing the house. 

 

 

So you remember that speed out that we just ran with bitchass Wingo? We flip the play and run it with Moore on the right. Same fucking defender. Number 13. As Moore runs up the seam he makes a subtle move with his feet making the DB step a little inside before me makes his break and look at how much more separation he gets. Easy pitch and catch. 

 

 

Remember this play earlier in the qtr? We motion Wingo to the field side this time. A defender comes with him and we hit Tre on the rail out the backfield. This time we catch them in a blitz and get a chunk play. Now we've run two plays twice in this Qtr.

 

 

Enders wide open at the bottom of the screen. Missed him. Overall his decision wasn't bad, he just has to throw this before the receiver clears the first defender. 

 

 

 

Remember that speed out? Yep, we are about to run it for the third time in the quarter now. Except this time it's going to Livingstone. He fires upfield and runs the defender out of view, Nice easy pitch and catch even though he slipped trying to make a play after he caught it. 

 

 

So what coach did was go largely 11 personnel and run the same few plays for Arch. Probably something he executes well and likes. Arch responded it well, and because of that we will be right back to running double tights and slow developing plays. And for you Quinn haters, this was the same thing happening to Quinn last year it's just that Quinn is a bit more polished and could operate fine in Sarks slow ass offense until we came up against Georgia or the like. These are the kind of concepts and routes that Freshwater is running. He isn't some genius his offense just is a bit more basic. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, BigHornedLurker said:

Im too smoothe brained to understand but why isn't this our base offense ? 

Because Muledick

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19 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Agreed

It was an ugly win, but the most fun I've had watching Texas football all season. Entertaining Q4 comeback. I don't know how Sark watches this and goes back to what wasn't working in 12 personnel.

You know DFW, back before we joined the SEC I would always watch meaningless SEC games where the underdog would have Bama or some equivalent on the ropes only for them to completely fold and give away the game at the end. I would always shake my head and turn the channel. Now that we are in it we sure are having a good time taking candy from the toddler. 

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5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You know DFW, back before we joined the SEC I would always watch meaningless SEC games where the underdog would have Bama or some equivalent on the ropes only for them to completely fold and give away the game at the end. I would always shake my head and turn the channel. Now that we are in it we sure are having a good time taking candy from the toddler. 

Right. Yesterday, Alabama, who could be the best team in the conference, struggled on the road against a terrible South Carolina team that OU held to 7. Weird shit happens at these away SEC games. I did something I try to never do which was to get on this stupid website while watching to vent instead of just sitting back and watching the game play out. I didn't do that in the 4th and it was much more enjoyable. 

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You know DFW, back before we joined the SEC I would always watch meaningless SEC games where the underdog would have Bama or some equivalent on the ropes only for them to completely fold and give away the game at the end. I would always shake my head and turn the channel. Now that we are in it we sure are having a good time taking candy from the toddler. 

This is truth.  Every year, for years, the Bamas and Georgias and LSUs would struggle mightily with some unworthy team, Aggy, Vanderbilt, MSU, Mizzou, Kentucky.  And then stage an improbable comeback.

Not excusing our season-long performance, but it's a thing.

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2 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Gunnar Helm and JT Sanders developed well under Sark. None of the TEs on our roster are close to their level

I don't blame Endries. I feel he's been good when called upon which is not as often as he should be. He's also wide open at times and Arch is locked into his #1 target. 

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6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You know DFW, back before we joined the SEC I would always watch meaningless SEC games where the underdog would have Bama or some equivalent on the ropes only for them to completely fold and give away the game at the end. I would always shake my head and turn the channel. Now that we are in it we sure are having a good time taking candy from the toddler. 

Shapen started shitting down his leg.  He lacked belief in himself.  Hell in OT he blew a wide open slant for TD.  You saw this same thing happen with Will Howard when on 4th and 1 he tripped instead of waltzing into the end zone last year.  It’s unreal.

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53 minutes ago, Redneck Mutha said:

Also, fuck Jeff Lebby.

Love that guy. Not many coaches would have punted to Nibblett with lead like that. 

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11 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Right. Yesterday, Alabama, who could be the best team in the conference, struggled on the road against a terrible South Carolina team that OU held to 7. Weird shit happens at these away SEC games. I did something I try to never do which was to get on this stupid website while watching to vent instead of just sitting back and watching the game play out. I didn't do that in the 4th and it was much more enjoyable. 

My family is up in NY and I am down here in Texas by myself. So I did something I never get to do. I put the game on the 120inch in the theater room with the sound up high, and bitched about our performance in the game thread while sitting around in my boxer briefs. Not a pretty sight but I was comfortable. I was so busy bitching and posting that I thought the 3rd qtr was the 4th qtr. It was only when we came back from commercial that I realized we were still playing. Lol. 

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I agree Sark has been stubborn and has misevaluated the capabilities of his players and is running what he wants, not what he has.

 

Having said that, I think there is some truth to the idea that a simpler spread offense will get shut down when playing more athletic defenses.  We see it all the time that offense doesn't scale linearly when playing the top defenses.  The idea that you need TEs that can be multiple, NFL route concepts, and multiple run schemes to beat the high level teams is not crazy.  It is possible Sark thought he could get to the playoffs regardless and therefore could use the season to get the offense proficient at everything.

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5 minutes ago, Yesh said:

I agree Sark has been stubborn and has misevaluated the capabilities of his players and is running what he wants, not what he has.

 

Having said that, I think there is some truth to the idea that a simpler spread offense will get shut down when playing more athletic defenses.  We see it all the time that offense doesn't scale linearly when playing the top defenses.  The idea that you need TEs that can be multiple, NFL route concepts, and multiple run schemes to beat the high level teams is not crazy.  It is possible Sark thought he could get to the playoffs regardless and therefore could use the season to get the offense proficient at everything.

I’ll give credit to Texas Homer. He has been bitching about this since basically OSU. He has Sark over complicates things. Texas doesn’t do a lot of easy spread things that other teams do everyday. Spreading things out makes things easier for everyone. The OL struggled with stunts and blitz pick-ups. You go 12 personnel and invite all those defenders in the box, it’s makes it easier to disguise stunts and blitzes. Probably go make at some point to see how much of it was MSU or the Texas OL late in the game. My guess is a bit off both after the initial watch 

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11 minutes ago, Yesh said:

I agree Sark has been stubborn and has misevaluated the capabilities of his players and is running what he wants, not what he has.

 

Having said that, I think there is some truth to the idea that a simpler spread offense will get shut down when playing more athletic defenses.  We see it all the time that offense doesn't scale linearly when playing the top defenses.  The idea that you need TEs that can be multiple, NFL route concepts, and multiple run schemes to beat the high level teams is not crazy.  It is possible Sark thought he could get to the playoffs regardless and therefore could use the season to get the offense proficient at everything.

Maybe, but we don’t need 3 tight ends on the field all the time.  We need our WR’s to be allowed to win 1 on 1.  Sometimes they can even win 2 on 1 like Wingo on the post.  Sark needs to pull his fucking head out of his ass.

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2 hours ago, Red Five said:

I hate to pick on the guy, but if we do nothing else we need to park Spencer Shannon on the bench. Through eight games I have no idea what he's supposed to be giving us. Blocking, I guess, in theory.

Washington, too. He was getting killed when asked to block.

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57 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

Im too smoothe brained to understand but why isn't this our base offense ? 

It has been quite the experience to see our offense struggle.  If the Oline is having trouble, rolling the pocket, bootlegging in general and more,quicker checkdowns to the RBs are the way to go.   

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My family is up in NY and I am down here in Texas by myself. So I did something I never get to do. I put the game on the 120inch in the theater room with the sound up high, and bitched about our performance in the game thread while sitting around in my boxer briefs. Not a pretty sight but I was comfortable. I was so busy bitching and posting that I thought the 3rd qtr was the 4th qtr. It was only when we came back from commercial that I realized we were still playing. Lol. 

We’re not going to get a film breakdown of this are we?
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4 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

It has been quite the experience to see our offense struggle.  If the Oline is having trouble, rolling the pocket, bootlegging in general and more,quicker checkdowns to the RBs are the way to go.   

Yep. Our O line trouble is right up the middle, so maybe move the IZ runs and PA passing deep drop to the back of the stack until they show they can block everyone most of the time. 

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10 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Listen bros. Here is what I am going to say. Last year when we played good defenses like Georgia we looked completely inept offensively. Then there would come a point in the game where we would get desperate and Sark would start spreading it out and we would look like a completely different offense. Spreading the formations and running with more receivers cleans up the whole picture for the quarterback. If you are 4 and 5 wide, its hard for the defense to disguise what they are in. Further so if you are sending guys in motion every snap to make them declare man or zone. Last year when we played Georgia in the SEC championship Sark came out in 11 personnel or 4 wide and Quinn lit them up for 160 yards in 20 minutes. Then we settled into two tight end sets and we bogged down for the rest of the game. 

Well, take a look at what we did and how Arch responding from the end of the 3rd Qtr and on. 

 

 1st and 10 and we are in 11 personnel here(1 TE and 1 back). Us being in 11 personnel makes us faster because the TEs we are currently employing are slow. Take one off for another WR and routes get completed faster meaning Arch can let it fly that much sooner. State responds with a legit 3-2-6  which is a fucking mistake. Our line struggles with passing off rushers and our QB struggles moving quickly through his progressions. Now you just solved both of our issues in one fell swoop. Now look at the route concepts here. Two comeback routes on the outside. Easy to read. Easy to throw. A 5 yard drag for a hot and a 12 yard dig going the other way. Arch is superb here. Ball is out on the break. Not a G-damned thing the DB can do about it great ball!

 

 

3rd and 10 and State is going to bring the house. We keep Wisner in to block and successfully wash down the defensive line allowing Manning to slide out to his left and buy time for these routes to develop. Yall should recognize the route combo. Its the same post with a dig combo we always run. Arch always fucks this up. The deep dig is almost always open underneath, and it's wide the fuck open here but it doesn't matter because Wingo is too fast for State safeties. It's double coverage and he still destroys their angle. When you see this you see why Sark had Wingo in there but damn it if dude doesn't fellate large phallus 50% of the time. Arch underthrows it a little as not to miss for a big gainer. 

 

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So here we are on the goalline in 12 personnel. We are going to motion Wingo to the boundary. Their entire defense is worried about Wingo, and both safeties shift to get a man over top of him. Sark just put their DB on an island 1v1 with Livingstone. At first when I saw this throw I thought it was late. But pay attention. The DB is in 13's hip pocket but Parker gives a little stiff arm right on his break that created space, and that's when Arch throws. any sooner and I am not sure it would be broken up. Beautiful throw by Arch and great catch by 13.  Arch maybe could've thrown it 3 feet sooner at best. We max protect as we roll this pocket, keeping 7 in to block. 

 

 

We are in 11 personnel. We have a bit of a modified smash route to the boundary. Now the smash can be run a myriad of ways. Traditionally the inside receiver runs an out, and the outside receiver runs a corner. Sark changes this combo a lot but today the outside runs an out while the TE runs an arrow. The QB is reading the outside corner. If he is up he throws the corner route over his head between the corner and the safety. However, if he is playing off you rip the under. At the snap State makes it easy as they try to roll coverage to the field and Arch correctly takes the short throw. Now look at the pass rush. DJ's man beats him and comes completely free but Arch gets rid of the football so quickly that it doesn't matter. Normally Arch holds this ball looking for a deeper route and gets sacked. Nice work Arch. We had this same call on vs OU and he didn't throw it. 

 

 

3rd and 3. State is going to bring 6. Sark has a man beater on with Parker running the 5 yard drag. Arch correctly identifies the blitz but is just a touch slow getting this ball out. Regardless, at least he saw it. That's what needs to happen for teams to stop blitzing us so frequently. This would've been even better if Sark allowed the receivers to sight adjust. If Parker's man runs by him to blitz he should run a quick 4 yard hook. By crossing he ran himself right into the defenders in the middle. 

 

 

 

 

Sark is in his bag here. 11 personnel. We are going to motion Moore to the boundary which gives us trips to that side. A man comes with him which tells Arch it's man coverage. At the snap the TE runs up the seam carrying his man, but making sure to run outside the LB who is responsible for Wisner creating a natural pick. Arch hits him and Tre does the rest. Nice playcall by Sark. Again, this is the kind of ball Arch has to throw to beat the blitz. 

 

 

So back in 11 personnel. Remember that smash concept a couple plays ago where Arch threw the quick arrow route because the corner was playing off. Here is the same concept but the corner squats on the under so we just pitch it over his head. Pretty simple read that works against quite a lot of coverages. Why don't we run it all the time? We do. Arch is just dealing here. 

 

 

 

This next one is what Manning struggles with. Were are in 11 personnel.  Sark is trying to isolate Wingo against a DB for a speed out that Wingo should win, especially with this much cushion. A few things about it. Yes, Arch is late on this throw and as you can see it allows the DB to recover and make a okay. But more importantly than that, Wingo runs a shitty route. He never stems his route(get the receiver to turn his hips) and just rounds the route off to the sideline. Then. Catch the fucking football G-damnit! This fucking guy. 

 

 

As yall know we run this fake screen all the time and I don't think it ever works when run with a TE. Takes too long to develop. Two receivers and it happens way faster and you can get the ball out faster. 

 

 

2nd and 10. State gives us a 3 man rush. Manning probably had more time to throw but checked it down quickly. I love to see it. It's 2nd and 10 and if you miss here State is bringing the house. 

 

 

So you remember that speed out that we just ran with bitchass Wingo? We flip the play and run it with Moore on the right. Same fucking defender. Number 13. As Moore runs up the seam he makes a subtle move with his feet making the DB step a little inside before me makes his break and look at how much more separation he gets. Easy pitch and catch. 

 

 

Remember this play earlier in the qtr? We motion Wingo to the field side this time. A defender comes with him and we hit Tre on the rail out the backfield. This time we catch them in a blitz and get a chunk play. Now we've run two plays twice in this Qtr.

 

 

Enders wide open at the bottom of the screen. Missed him. Overall his decision wasn't bad, he just has to throw this before the receiver clears the first defender. 

 

 

 

Remember that speed out? Yep, we are about to run it for the third time in the quarter now. Except this time it's going to Livingstone. He fires upfield and runs the defender out of view, Nice easy pitch and catch even though he slipped trying to make a play after he caught it. 

 

 

So what coach did was go largely 11 personnel and run the same few plays for Arch. Probably something he executes well and likes. Arch responded it well, and because of that we will be right back to running double tights and slow developing plays. And for you Quinn haters, this was the same thing happening to Quinn last year it's just that Quinn is a bit more polished and could operate fine in Sarks slow ass offense until we came up against Georgia or the like. These are the kind of concepts and routes that Freshwater is running. He isn't some genius his offense just is a bit more basic. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

where was this the first 3 quarters. ?

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46 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I put the game on the 120inch in the theater room with the sound up high, and bitched about our performance in the game thread while sitting around in my boxer briefs. Not a pretty sight but I was comfortable.

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2 hours ago, elguapo said:

It’s infuriating that we have young playmaking WRs who’ve been standing on the sideline all damn season so we can play Shannon and Washington 

I assume Lockett and Ffrench will portal, as they haven't seen the field in over a month?

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Right. Yesterday, Alabama, who could be the best team in the conference, struggled on the road against a terrible South Carolina team that OU held to 7. Weird shit happens at these away SEC games. I did something I try to never do which was to get on this stupid website while watching to vent instead of just sitting back and watching the game play out. I didn't do that in the 4th and it was much more enjoyable. 

I never read game thread during game. Sometimes check it out after the game to read the stupid shit y'all say that I was thinking or shouting out (that my wife was telling me to shut up) during the game.

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1 hour ago, Yesh said:

I agree Sark has been stubborn and has misevaluated the capabilities of his players and is running what he wants, not what he has.

 

Having said that, I think there is some truth to the idea that a simpler spread offense will get shut down when playing more athletic defenses.  We see it all the time that offense doesn't scale linearly when playing the top defenses.  The idea that you need TEs that can be multiple, NFL route concepts, and multiple run schemes to beat the high level teams is not crazy.  It is possible Sark thought he could get to the playoffs regardless and therefore could use the season to get the offense proficient at everything.

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9 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I assume Lockett and Ffrench will portal, as they haven't seen the field in over a month?

That is fine, because frankly we should never recruit HS WRs given the plethora of info and success of transfer WRs.

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10 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Listen bros. Here is what I am going to say. Last year when we played good defenses like Georgia we looked completely inept offensively. Then there would come a point in the game where we would get desperate and Sark would start spreading it out and we would look like a completely different offense. Spreading the formations and running with more receivers cleans up the whole picture for the quarterback. If you are 4 and 5 wide, its hard for the defense to disguise what they are in. Further so if you are sending guys in motion every snap to make them declare man or zone. Last year when we played Georgia in the SEC championship Sark came out in 11 personnel or 4 wide and Quinn lit them up for 160 yards in 20 minutes. Then we settled into two tight end sets and we bogged down for the rest of the game. 

Well, take a look at what we did and how Arch responding from the end of the 3rd Qtr and on. 

 

 1st and 10 and we are in 11 personnel here(1 TE and 1 back). Us being in 11 personnel makes us faster because the TEs we are currently employing are slow. Take one off for another WR and routes get completed faster meaning Arch can let it fly that much sooner. State responds with a legit 3-2-6  which is a fucking mistake. Our line struggles with passing off rushers and our QB struggles moving quickly through his progressions. Now you just solved both of our issues in one fell swoop. Now look at the route concepts here. Two comeback routes on the outside. Easy to read. Easy to throw. A 5 yard drag for a hot and a 12 yard dig going the other way. Arch is superb here. Ball is out on the break. Not a G-damned thing the DB can do about it great ball!

 

 

3rd and 10 and State is going to bring the house. We keep Wisner in to block and successfully wash down the defensive line allowing Manning to slide out to his left and buy time for these routes to develop. Yall should recognize the route combo. Its the same post with a dig combo we always run. Arch always fucks this up. The deep dig is almost always open underneath, and it's wide the fuck open here but it doesn't matter because Wingo is too fast for State safeties. It's double coverage and he still destroys their angle. When you see this you see why Sark had Wingo in there but damn it if dude doesn't fellate large phallus 50% of the time. Arch underthrows it a little as not to miss for a big gainer. 

 

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So here we are on the goalline in 12 personnel. We are going to motion Wingo to the boundary. Their entire defense is worried about Wingo, and both safeties shift to get a man over top of him. Sark just put their DB on an island 1v1 with Livingstone. At first when I saw this throw I thought it was late. But pay attention. The DB is in 13's hip pocket but Parker gives a little stiff arm right on his break that created space, and that's when Arch throws. any sooner and I am not sure it would be broken up. Beautiful throw by Arch and great catch by 13.  Arch maybe could've thrown it 3 feet sooner at best. We max protect as we roll this pocket, keeping 7 in to block. 

 

 

We are in 11 personnel. We have a bit of a modified smash route to the boundary. Now the smash can be run a myriad of ways. Traditionally the inside receiver runs an out, and the outside receiver runs a corner. Sark changes this combo a lot but today the outside runs an out while the TE runs an arrow. The QB is reading the outside corner. If he is up he throws the corner route over his head between the corner and the safety. However, if he is playing off you rip the under. At the snap State makes it easy as they try to roll coverage to the field and Arch correctly takes the short throw. Now look at the pass rush. DJ's man beats him and comes completely free but Arch gets rid of the football so quickly that it doesn't matter. Normally Arch holds this ball looking for a deeper route and gets sacked. Nice work Arch. We had this same call on vs OU and he didn't throw it. 

 

 

3rd and 3. State is going to bring 6. Sark has a man beater on with Parker running the 5 yard drag. Arch correctly identifies the blitz but is just a touch slow getting this ball out. Regardless, at least he saw it. That's what needs to happen for teams to stop blitzing us so frequently. This would've been even better if Sark allowed the receivers to sight adjust. If Parker's man runs by him to blitz he should run a quick 4 yard hook. By crossing he ran himself right into the defenders in the middle. 

 

 

 

 

Sark is in his bag here. 11 personnel. We are going to motion Moore to the boundary which gives us trips to that side. A man comes with him which tells Arch it's man coverage. At the snap the TE runs up the seam carrying his man, but making sure to run outside the LB who is responsible for Wisner creating a natural pick. Arch hits him and Tre does the rest. Nice playcall by Sark. Again, this is the kind of ball Arch has to throw to beat the blitz. 

 

 

So back in 11 personnel. Remember that smash concept a couple plays ago where Arch threw the quick arrow route because the corner was playing off. Here is the same concept but the corner squats on the under so we just pitch it over his head. Pretty simple read that works against quite a lot of coverages. Why don't we run it all the time? We do. Arch is just dealing here. 

 

 

 

This next one is what Manning struggles with. Were are in 11 personnel.  Sark is trying to isolate Wingo against a DB for a speed out that Wingo should win, especially with this much cushion. A few things about it. Yes, Arch is late on this throw and as you can see it allows the DB to recover and make a okay. But more importantly than that, Wingo runs a shitty route. He never stems his route(get the receiver to turn his hips) and just rounds the route off to the sideline. Then. Catch the fucking football G-damnit! This fucking guy. 

 

 

As yall know we run this fake screen all the time and I don't think it ever works when run with a TE. Takes too long to develop. Two receivers and it happens way faster and you can get the ball out faster. 

 

 

2nd and 10. State gives us a 3 man rush. Manning probably had more time to throw but checked it down quickly. I love to see it. It's 2nd and 10 and if you miss here State is bringing the house. 

 

 

So you remember that speed out that we just ran with bitchass Wingo? We flip the play and run it with Moore on the right. Same fucking defender. Number 13. As Moore runs up the seam he makes a subtle move with his feet making the DB step a little inside before me makes his break and look at how much more separation he gets. Easy pitch and catch. 

 

 

Remember this play earlier in the qtr? We motion Wingo to the field side this time. A defender comes with him and we hit Tre on the rail out the backfield. This time we catch them in a blitz and get a chunk play. Now we've run two plays twice in this Qtr.

 

 

Enders wide open at the bottom of the screen. Missed him. Overall his decision wasn't bad, he just has to throw this before the receiver clears the first defender. 

 

 

 

Remember that speed out? Yep, we are about to run it for the third time in the quarter now. Except this time it's going to Livingstone. He fires upfield and runs the defender out of view, Nice easy pitch and catch even though he slipped trying to make a play after he caught it. 

 

 

So what coach did was go largely 11 personnel and run the same few plays for Arch. Probably something he executes well and likes. Arch responded it well, and because of that we will be right back to running double tights and slow developing plays. And for you Quinn haters, this was the same thing happening to Quinn last year it's just that Quinn is a bit more polished and could operate fine in Sarks slow ass offense until we came up against Georgia or the like. These are the kind of concepts and routes that Freshwater is running. He isn't some genius his offense just is a bit more basic. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't read this, but if you have it on Spotify I'll give it a go. 

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The thing we circle around is: we know Sark is capable of doing what he did in the 4th quarter all the time if he wants to…but yet he will revert to his default mode. The defensive coordinators he faced as HC at Washington all knew he would not take what a defense gives him. He wants to run what he wants to run like he’s auditioning for something. It’s maddening. When I first learned we had hired sark I read old articles about him in which DC’s he faced offered the harshest criticisms of him about refusing to essentially adapt to the abilities of his offense and to what a defense is giving him. We all know he can do it. But he reverts back to his “I want to run what I want to run with my dudes” default mode. 
 

It reminds me of the end of the movie Tin Cup. Sure that shot was immortal. Sure. He didn’t have to blow the open and hit that immortal shot either. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I don’t know why Sark makes things harder on the offense, the team and himself than it has to be. He is absolutely capable of being “4th quarter v Mississippi State” Sark but it’s like he doesn’t want to. I don’t get it. 

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59 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Washington, too. He was getting killed when asked to block.

There are 2 truths to this. 
1. The TEs are not great blockers and honestly haven’t been under Sark

2. It is asking a fucking lot of freshmen TE to block a DE 1 on 1 in pass pro. I know Ewers hated it 

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