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24 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Reported 1,000 kg payload, enough to blow apart buildings

 

The shape and size remind me of an earlier weapon.  Even the payload is somewhat similar 850 kg versus 1,000 kg.  A bit faster, with a longer range and I'm sure much, much more accurate.  Hopefully this has a greater effect on the conflict.

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39 minutes ago, 27-25 said:

The shape and size remind me of an earlier weapon.  Even the payload is somewhat similar 850 kg versus 1,000 kg.  A bit faster, with a longer range and I'm sure much, much more accurate.  Hopefully this has a greater effect on the conflict.

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The US dead-ass just copied the V1 and V2 for our first cruise and ballistic missiles - our first sub launched nuke the Regulus Missile was a first gen iteration. The base design is well-proven at least

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The best part is that Trump frequently caves to the most recent people who speak to him. He walks out of a meeting with Putin and mimics Russian talking points. There is a fair chance that the European leaders today can easily manipulate Trump into their viewpoint. But you definitely cannot fight against Trump. You need to show him how he's the smartest guy in the world, and its inconceivable that he hasn't won the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts.

I don't believe for a second that all of these leaders dont' have psychologists on their payroll telling them how to deal with Trump.

I've noticed this as well.  Whoever has his ear last is the most likely to get their way on a given point.  While he has a proven affinity for "strong" men, he can be manipulated by good as well.  It's just that the good have to get over...well...being good.  

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4 hours ago, Parliament said:

Been going on since the first Sumerian strapped a piece of shale to his horse.  

And I'm gonna guess our top of the line tanks are just as vulnerable.

And, I think the main thing is to keep a shaped charge off the surface of the armor, and that has been an issue addressed by stand-off devices since at least WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_armour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slat_armor

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44 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Zelensky should reposition Ukraine as wanting to expel illegal aliens (Russians) from within their borders and praising how Trump has lowered new illegal immigration to 0. And how the rest of the world should look up to Trump in securing borders. 

This would 100% work and I'm not being sarcastic. 

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3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

It is unrealistic to think that Crimea is going back to Ukraine. Short of a larger invasion force. And if Ukraine can trade Crimea to get their other territories back, that might be a reasonable trade off. Ukraine could probably find a method to receive financial reparations for Crimea at some level.

The problem with Crimea, besides the fact that the people voted to join Ukraine, is that it's not just about the fabled warm water port for Russia, it's that it controls a massive amount of offshore oil & gas, that Putin probably promised a lot of cronies. It gives Russia too much influence over the Black Sea as well.

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6 hours ago, Chopper said:

@Noelreports.com has Defense Minister Shmyhal on video at a meeting confirming that production of the Ukrainian long-range “Flamingo” cruise missile has begun, saying details will be disclosed “when the right moment comes.” https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3lwoh2s4mo222

 

So Ukraine already has a stockpile of them and we'll see it in action this weekend?

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4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This. Returning to a world where countries can expand their territory by invading their neighbors and having that expansion recognized by the global community would be a massive step back. 

Putin is playing Risk and we're playing Mother May I. 

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If only Putin would agree to:

1. Return the stolen children

2. Return to pre-special military operations borders

3.  100% prisoner swap

4. UKR to cease from joining NATO

5. UKR will seek European security guarantees

6. UKR will not seek compensatory payment for non-military damages (ie we will pay our own way back to reconstruction)

7. UKR will not seek to repatriate Crimea nor will UKR seek military solution; UKR will not recognize that as part of Russia

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Europe will buy 100 billion in American arms for Ukraine as a sweetener for security guarantees. Also, they will partner with us to build drones with the Ukrainians.

Not yet a done deal it seems but part of Ukraine’s proposal.

 

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Ushakov said the call between Trump and Putin was “frank” (read: the Russians are pissed). Also, the Kremlin is currently not on board with a presidential level meeting with the Ukrainians (this is for sure something they want to dangle in front of Trump to try and get more concessions).

Today’s meeting went as well as could be expected for Ukraine. But it bears remembering that all of this fuss and ego stroking is being done to try and persuade the American president to support American national interests and our Allies. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Europe will buy 100 billion in American arms for Ukraine as a sweetener for security guarantees. Also, they will partner with us to build drones with the Ukrainians.

Not yet a done deal it seems but part of Ukraine’s proposal.

 

I like that.

 

 

21 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ushakov said the call between Trump and Putin was “frank” (read: the Russians are pissed). Also, the Kremlin is currently not on board with a presidential level meeting with the Ukrainians (this is for sure something they want to dangle in front of Trump to try and get more concessions).

Today’s meeting went as well as could be expected for Ukraine. But it bears remembering that all of this fuss and ego stroking is being done to try and persuade the American president to support American national interests and our Allies. 
 

 

 

All good.  We'll just keep leaning in to #1 above.

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11 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ushakov said the call between Trump and Putin was “frank” (read: the Russians are pissed). Also, the Kremlin is currently not on board with a presidential level meeting with the Ukrainians (this is for sure something they want to dangle in front of Trump to try and get more concessions).

Today’s meeting went as well as could be expected for Ukraine. But it bears remembering that all of this fuss and ego stroking is being done to try and persuade the American president to support American national interests and our Allies. 
 

 

 

11 hours ago, Parliament said:

I like that.

 

 

 

All good.  We'll just keep leaning in to #1 above.

This is all great.  Let's just see what really happens.  Someone needs to keep the Russophiles away from tfg's ear.

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Lavrov (who, it bears repeating, used to be a respected and formidable diplomat) comes screaming in with a bucket of cold water.

The last point is the most succinct description of Russia’s position yet laid out: Ukraine loses its right to independence if it actually behaves independently.

 

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lol, he really does just do what the last person he talked to suggested.  
 

This is not as surprising as it seems on its face. Bears remembering that Trump doesn’t really have any personal affinity for anyone. He’s also gotten really impatient on this and the article hints the EU leaders told him that Orban’s intransigence on the EU is making it harder for Europe to take ownership of the issue. 
 

There are lots of ideologues in the U.S. foreign policy establishment who do genuinely align with Orban and see him as a model. They must be super pissed off right now. 
 

 

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On 8/17/2025 at 2:37 PM, Chopper said:

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No word on the size of the warhead nor even a hint about the quantity produced or in production.

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On 8/17/2025 at 3:19 PM, Parliament said:

Not sure I'd wanna get on Ms. Meloni's bad side when she's in the same room as me.

I would give your left nut just to be in the same room with Giorgia Meloni.

Her unbridled passion, properly channeled (towards me), is the reason for living, or dying, if that is her prerogative.


The epitaph read, "... PTINS was incinerated in a spectacular ball of fire, when Ms. Giorgia Meloni, erupted with a volcanic release of passion and energy."

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7 minutes ago, PTINS said:I would give your left nut just to be in the same room with Giorgia Meloni.

Her unbridled passion, properly channeled (towards me), is the reason for living, or dying, if that is her prerogative.


The epitaph read, "... PTINS was incinerated in a spectacular ball of fire, when Ms. Giorgia Meloni, erupted with a volcanic release of passion and energy."

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European state leaders have brought it SCRONG the past few years.  Estonia, Finland (well, their last leader), Italy.  If I could book that package for a vacation ("book our sexy time with European leaders package!"), hell, my wife might even let me book that trip.  Throw in Germany's Annalena Baerbock (just elected president of the UN General Assembly....and newly single), and the euros are bringing smart, strong, attractive leadership energy.  I'm here for it.

Meanwhile, we are firmly locked in the "decaying octagenarian white male" leadership model.  You can choose from among multiple imitations of the Cryptkeeper!  F that.

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

European state leaders have brought it SCRONG the past few years.  Estonia, Finland (well, their last leader), Italy.  If I could book that package for a vacation ("book our sexy time with European leaders package!"), hell, my wife might even let me book that trip.  Throw in Germany's Annalena Baerbock (just elected president of the UN General Assembly....and newly single), and the euros are bringing smart, strong, attractive leadership energy.  I'm here for it.

Meanwhile, we are firmly locked in the "decaying octagenarian white male" leadership model.  You can choose from among multiple imitations of the Cryptkeeper!  F that.

Well, as a previously married for 40+ years, getting ready to be a newly single, I find myself considering things I never really thought about before. I must have missed the Texas Exes travel brochure on the "Sexy Time with European Leaders Package."

I agree 100% about the European leadership, particularly the female leaders. Dynamic, outspoken, with a "Damn the Torpedoes" mindset, to do what is right, regardless of the consequences.  Thomas Jefferson would be proud. The fact they're soft on the eyes should not be held against them. I, on the other hand ...

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

There are lots of ideologues in the U.S. foreign policy establishment who do genuinely align with Orban and see him as a model. They must be super pissed off right now. 
 

 

Those people aren't dummies and they know the same thing you just typed. It's only a problem until the next time they have an audience with Trump.

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4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Lavrov (who, it bears repeating, used to be a respected and formidable diplomat) comes screaming in with a bucket of cold water.

The last point is the most succinct description of Russia’s position yet laid out: Ukraine loses its right to independence if it actually behaves independently.

 

Lol, we should give Russia security guarantees for his 2nd point.  As in pull out of Ukraine, and we’ll make sure they don’t go in and destroy your ass.

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DJT rules out American ground forces but leaves open the idea of American air policing post-war.  This is not at all a terrible proposal and outcome.

I was a firm advocate of a NATO air-policing and no-fly declaration which should have been spun up quickly in January 2022 or December 2021.  As awful as this admin has been; the previous one suffered from chronic “crisis management” syndrome instead of crisis solutions. 
 

https://www.twz.com/air/no-u-s-peacekeeping-forces-on-the-ground-in-ukraine-air-support-possible-trump

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The US providing all the satellite intel, logistic support and willing to sell any and all 2nd-line kickass American weapons they want, is a winner.  This IS happening in Europe and it's entirely fair to tell them we won't put our own people in direct danger.

ETA

And for Pete's sake already.  We can sell  BILLIONS of dollars of high-end American weapons to these guys.  Exports.  Jobs.  Trade balance.  And if a few Russians die in the process oh well.

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6 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

European state leaders have brought it SCRONG the past few years.  Estonia, Finland (well, their last leader), Italy.  If I could book that package for a vacation ("book our sexy time with European leaders package!"), hell, my wife might even let me book that trip.  Throw in Germany's Annalena Baerbock (just elected president of the UN General Assembly....and newly single), and the euros are bringing smart, strong, attractive leadership energy.  I'm here for it.

Meanwhile, we are firmly locked in the "decaying octagenarian white male" leadership model.  You can choose from among multiple imitations of the Cryptkeeper!  F that.

They’ve been mostly fantastic since 2022 but there needs to be a sober assessment of how we got here. Those leaders were in the Oval Office pressing and flattering an American mediocrity to do the thing that (for once) is both right and in our interest. It’s embarrassing to be here.

The flip side of this is that a continent of close to 500 million, with an advanced and larger economy than the U.S., two declared nuclear powers, and a border with Russia is in the pathetic position of needing the United States to deal firmly with Russia in defense of a European neighbor.  There have been islands of clear-headedness but prior generations of German, French, and Italian leaders smirked down their noses at the Poles and Balts while they pursued gas deals and feckless aid-based diplomacy.  They got high off their own supply; the EU really is a garden but they came to believe they could make the rest of the world one too and neglected good walls, fences, traps, and weed killers. 
 

It is my belief that Merkel will go down as the most disastrous German chancellor except for that one guy. She could have gotten with the program and let Ukraine and Georgia join NATO in 2008 when Russia was weak. She could have torn up the Nordstream 2 deal and kept her nuclear plants running. She could have used her formidable role to push Europe to invest in defense and cohesion. She could have done literally anything aside from letting Russia solve its Syria adventure by flooding Europe with migrants that Russia then weaponized to empower the AfD.

She did none of that and did so in the most obnoxious, smug, self-satisfied, moralizing way possible. And all the while let partners engage in feckless nouveau-Ostpolitik while laying down cover for people like Berlusconi to pursue less noble engagements with the Russians. 
 

So yeah, I celebrate their coming even at the eleventh hour and am beyond furious at our government. But they got themselves here. 

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They’ve been mostly fantastic since 2022 but there needs to be a sober assessment of how we got here. Those leaders were in the Oval Office pressing and flattering an American mediocrity to do the thing that (for once) is both right and in our interest. It’s embarrassing to be here.
The flip side of this is that a continent of close to 500 million, with an advanced and larger economy than the U.S., two declared nuclear powers, and a border with Russia is in the pathetic position of needing the United States to deal firmly with Russia in defense of a European neighbor.  There have been islands of clear-headedness but prior generations of German, French, and Italian leaders smirked down their noses at the Poles and Balts while they pursued gas deals and feckless aid-based diplomacy.  They got high off their own supply; the EU really is a garden but they came to believe they could make the rest of the world one too and neglected good walls, fences, traps, and weed killers. 
 
It is my belief that Merkel will go down as the most disastrous German chancellor except for that one guy. She could have gotten with the program and let Ukraine and Georgia join NATO in 2008 when Russia was weak. She could have torn up the Nordstream 2 deal and kept her nuclear plants running. She could have used her formidable role to push Europe to invest in defense and cohesion. She could have done literally anything aside from letting Russia solve its Syria adventure by flooding Europe with migrants that Russia then weaponized to empower the AfD.
She did none of that and did so in the most obnoxious, smug, self-satisfied, moralizing way possible. And all the while let partners engage in feckless nouveau-Ostpolitik while laying down cover for people like Berlusconi to pursue less noble engagements with the Russians. 
 
So yeah, I celebrate their coming even at the eleventh hour and am beyond furious at our government. But they got themselves here. 

I don’t disagree with any of this take. It’s spot-on. The Schroder-Merkel entanglement with Russia was a massive miscalculation bordering on evil (and Schroder went all-in on sucking Russian dick).
But what’s important here is that Sanna Marin loves me.
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Whomever convinced the Ukrainian delegation that they needed to collect all of the most offensive quotes from Russia state media about Trump -,and then give that to Trump when Zelenskyy visited Washington- that is playing beyond 5D chess.

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