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Good points here

Very interesting to see where Girkin's arrest will go. Nothing says he won't be released, but if he is arrested and sentenced for a while, I'll be curious to know if any rashists will properly stand behind him.

After all, Girkin had a major beef with Prigozhin, but it was Prigozhin who marched to Moscow and is now free to roam. On the opposite, Girkin backed Shoygu and Gerasimov during that time. And he's the one in handcuffs. 

Not a healthy situation for the Kremlin Ripper regardless.

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1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

Oh I wish he would

 

What kind of history do they teach in Russia?

"[The aggressive policy] resulted in the national tragedy of 1939, when Poland was left by the Western Allies to be eaten by the German war machine and effectively lost its independence and statehood, which was restored to a great extent thanks to the Soviet Union." - Putin.

Has he really never heard of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact?

 

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1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

It is an abomination generated by those who are intimidated by the Russians. 
Then there are those who are Putin’s admirers.

It takes some time for all our elected officials to go back and make sure they aren't offending someone they've taken money from. 

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8 hours ago, Superhero said:

The slow trickle of weapons into Ukraine  is so bullshit.

 

Which is why I'm past the point of waiting for Russia to do something to trigger Article 5.

History will judge us not for getting involved directly, but for waiting too long to have done so.

 

2 hours ago, Saint Austin said:

There is no fucking way Wagner Group/Belarus/Russia would invade an inch of Polish soil. It would be a death sentence for the entire Putin regime.

 

Since when has the regime demonstrated even this basic level of intelligence?

The capable are the ones who get arrested.

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2 hours ago, Saint Austin said:

There is no fucking way Wagner Group/Belarus/Russia would invade an inch of Polish soil. It would be a death sentence for the entire Putin regime.

I could see some "rogue" Wagnerites dicking around on the Polish border just to see what happens, and Putin trying to play it off that they aren't official Russian military. What ties it all together is the stupidity of it, makes me think it could happen.

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55 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I could see some "rogue" Wagnerites dicking around on the Polish border just to see what happens, and Putin trying to play it off that they aren't official Russian military. What ties it all together is the stupidity of it, makes me think it could happen.

They would get dead real quick.  Wagner can't handle anyone that is even semi-competent.  The Poles would annihilate them.

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1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Which is why I'm past the point of waiting for Russia to do something to trigger Article 5.

History will judge us not for getting involved directly, but for waiting too long to have done so.

You may not be familiar with a few little things called World War and Global Thermonuclear War. Both are insanely easy to trigger and one has a history of leading to the other. This is a situation where we are fighting terrorists with nukes, lots of them. It's going to take an internal response from Russians able to stop this before it gets to that point, a/k/a his breakfast tea staff.

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38 minutes ago, RPM said:

You may not be familiar with a few little things called World War and Global Thermonuclear War. Both are insanely easy to trigger and one has a history of leading to the other. This is a situation where we are fighting terrorists with nukes, lots of them. It's going to take an internal response from Russians able to stop this before it gets to that point, a/k/a his breakfast tea staff.

Then we go from 1 terrorist with nukes to who knows how many terrorists with nukes. We are going to have to deal with the nuke problem one way or another. 

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Oh, it happened. Fortunately, our side had them. Japan, not so much.

Yea- it really didn’t. There was no global thermonuclear war.

What there was was an opportunity for the US to end the war with Japan with a new found technology in order to stop a mainland invasion of American troops. We dropped a few nukes and Japan said “please don’t do that again - where can we sign to stop the madness”?
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58 minutes ago, RPM said:

You may not be familiar with a few little things called World War and Global Thermonuclear War. Both are insanely easy to trigger and one has a history of leading to the other. This is a situation where we are fighting terrorists with nukes, lots of them. It's going to take an internal response from Russians able to stop this before it gets to that point, a/k/a his breakfast tea staff.

1. We're already in it. We're just not just enough with ourselves to admit it.

And while fear of global thermonuclear war is a healthy thing, allowing any state with nukes to do whatever they want because we're afraid they might launch the missiles is not a reasonable alternative.

2. Regime change won't change a thing.

The only Russian regime that didn't have their eyes on Eastern Europe and beyond was Yeltsin's, and that's 100% entirely because he was too drunk and incompetent to focus his eyes beyond the end of his ruddy nose, and no other reason.

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1 hour ago, RPM said:

You may not be familiar with a few little things called World War and Global Thermonuclear War.

Never heard of it 🙄

1 hour ago, RPM said:

Both are insanely easy to trigger

They are?

1 hour ago, RPM said:

and one has a history of leading to the other.

They do?

This is akin to a condescending yard sign.

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2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

1. We're already in it. We're just not just enough with ourselves to admit it.

And while fear of global thermonuclear war is a healthy thing, allowing any state with nukes to do whatever they want because we're afraid they might launch the missiles is not a reasonable alternative.

2. Regime change won't change a thing.

The only Russian regime that didn't have their eyes on Eastern Europe and beyond was Yeltsin's, and that's 100% entirely because he was too drunk and incompetent to focus his eyes beyond the end of his ruddy nose, and no other reason.

Excellent post, and spot on.

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🚨 🧵 Source to Osechkin: Wagner continues to silently recruit through July 28th. They are telling the recruits the goal is to advance 700km inside Poland over a 2 week operation.

 

Note: I think this is a classic FSB operation to stretch Poland's resources. They won't invade but Poland & NATO will have to waste energy and money just in case.

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16 minutes ago, Viper said:

 

🚨 🧵 Source to Osechkin: Wagner continues to silently recruit through July 28th. They are telling the recruits the goal is to advance 700km inside Poland over a 2 week operation.

 

Note: I think this is a classic FSB operation to stretch Poland's resources. They won't invade but Poland & NATO will have to waste energy and money just in case.

If they want to trigger Article 5... by all means keep moving forward.

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6 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

If they want to trigger Article 5... by all means keep moving forward.

Suppose-- and imagine you're a guy who thought he would conquer a 40 million population country in 3 days-- suppose you know it would trigger Article 5, but you think you could escalate then calm NATO down with your genius words after allowing them to bugzap some disposable troops of questionable loyalty such as Wagner bumbling across the fence in Poland.

Then while, say, Macron is showing off his big Both Sides brain, you offer a Good Will Gesture to withdraw from Ukraine so long as the West assures you that you can keep Crimea.

It's stupid, but less stupid than some things that already happened.

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10 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Suppose-- and imagine you're a guy who thought he would conquer a 40 million population country in 3 days-- suppose you know it would trigger Article 5, but you think you could escalate then calm NATO down with your genius words after allowing them to bugzap some disposable troops of questionable loyalty such as Wagner bumbling across the fence in Poland.

Then while, say, Macron is showing off his big Both Sides brain, you offer a Good Will Gesture to withdraw from Ukraine so long as the West assures you that you can keep Crimea.

It's stupid, but less stupid than some things that already happened.

they were both poisoned

I've spent the last several years building up an immunity to iocaine

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58 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

1. We're already in it. We're just not just enough with ourselves to admit it.

And while fear of global thermonuclear war is a healthy thing, allowing any state with nukes to do whatever they want because we're afraid they might launch the missiles is not a reasonable alternative.

While I don't think they'll invade Poland (if they had the capability, they'd be using it to defend what they have in Ukraine, especially Crimea), and we'd have a lot of warning, especially since Belarus has plenty of folks who would drop a dime if they saw shit going down.  Some of this still feels like Anschluss 2.0, and if Putin gets kicked out of Ukraine, he'll be extremely weak on the domestic side, and it would be a hard sale to lose in Ukraine and then try and incorporate a belligerent Belarussian population into Russian proper.

We have a helluva lot of leverage though - we could lean hard on India and China at some point.

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