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27 minutes ago, Bevo said:

That was a long article to say that the House, Senate, and President were all Democrat in 1944. So, it was easy to hide the money - while only have to talk to 7 people. A split congress and white house couldn't have done that. On the one hand, having a split congress and white house leads to much more accountability, but on the other hand, it prevents the president from being able to do whatever the hell he wants.

We also had something like 16 million people in the military, and were fighting massive wars on four continents and across three oceans. We were cranking out multiple aircraft carriers every month (we ended up with 105 aircraft carriers) and were building thousands of bombers every year. We had logistics chains that stretched around the globe. We were supplying our biggest Allie’s as well.   It wasn’t too hard to slide that in.

This is what one of the federal reserves had on their info page

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In 1943 and 1944, more than 40% of GDP was devoted to national defense. Total spending on national defense from 1940 and 1945 was a little over $5 trillion (in 2019 dollars). This represents about a quarter of 2018 GDP. (The numbers for 2019 GDP are not final yet.)

To illustrate the magnitude of U.S. spending during WWII, imagine spending $1 million per hour, 24 hours per day, for 365 days. At this pace, it would take 576 years to spend as much as the U.S. did during WWII.2

 

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Interesting video on how the Russians really screwed up the tank thing.  Of note, even though the Gulf War exposed the flaws of the T-72 platform in 1991, the Russians went ahead and rolled out the T-90 a year later, rather than go back to the drawing board and protect the crews and make a more survivable tank.  The Russians also didn’t place much emphasis on recovering and repairing tanks.

Thats where the budget gap with Western nations really starts to come into play.  We put a lot of training into our crews and realize that they and their institutional knowledge are harder to replace than the tanks themselves, and we work to recover and repair tanks.

Russia?  Nope, and the tank forces in 2024 are going to be way understaffed and inexperienced, given how many crews died in 2022 and 2023 when the T-series pops their turrets.

 

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57 minutes ago, Bevo said:

That was a long article to say that the House, Senate, and President were all Democrat in 1944. So, it was easy to hide the money - while only have to talk to 7 people. A split congress and white house couldn't have done that. On the one hand, having a split congress and white house leads to much more accountability, but on the other hand, it prevents the president from being able to do whatever the hell he wants.

Hard disagree about there being more accountability now than there was then, whether or not there is divided control between the President and Congress. The budget is infinitely more complex and it's much easier to hide $800 million or $50 billion.

Also the government used to be funded by 12 separate and detailed Appropriations bills, each of which would pass both the House and the Senate. But the political party for oligarchs decided it was too politically inconvenient to be responsible legislators, and so now the government is funded annually (in general) through one massive appropriations bill that no single member of the House or Senate has read.

I could go on and on about how citizen representation in Congress used to be much stronger but what I've written above are the most important points.

Also, I realize it gets confusing because the political party for oligarchs intentionally misuses it all of the time, but it's actually called the Democratic party.

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24 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

We also had something like 16 million people in the military, and were fighting massive wars on four continents and across three oceans. We were cranking out multiple aircraft carriers every month (we ended up with 105 aircraft carriers) and were building thousands of bombers every year. We had logistics chains that stretched around the globe. We were supplying our biggest Allie’s as well.   It wasn’t too hard to slide that in.

This is what one of the federal reserves had on their info page

 

 

24 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

In 1943 and 1944, more than 40% of GDP was devoted to national defense. Total spending on national defense from 1940 and 1945 was a little over $5 trillion (in 2019 dollars). This represents about a quarter of 2018 GDP. (The numbers for 2019 GDP are not final yet.)

To illustrate the magnitude of U.S. spending during WWII, imagine spending $1 million per hour, 24 hours per day, for 365 days. At this pace, it would take 576 years to spend as much as the U.S. did during WWII.2

 

Great info. With that kind of budget for war, it was much easier to fund 2 cities in bumfuck Egypt and a bomb that could have theoretically ended civilization (or not worked at all). However, I'm not so sure that that kind of budget would have been generated by a divided legislative and executive branch. Or, more succinctly, I don't think we would have had nearly as large of military budget for WW2 in a divided "House". As an aside, I think I've decided that I like the word Bumfuck: Someone deserves a lot of way underappreciated credit.

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2 hours ago, Bevo said:

Great info. With that kind of budget for war, it was much easier to fund 2 cities in bumfuck Egypt and a bomb that could have theoretically ended civilization (or not worked at all). However, I'm not so sure that that kind of budget would have been generated by a divided legislative and executive branch. Or, more succinctly, I don't think we would have had nearly as large of military budget for WW2 in a divided "House".

I don’t know, that felt pretty existential in some ways - Americans were rationing gas, were scrounging up scrap metal and rubber and donating/selling them, buying war bonds, growing “victory” gardens, etc. car production was converted to military production, etc.. Hell, women lost their silk supplies from Japan for stockings , and nylon was regulated and rationed to civilians because of its military use.  The American people tolerated a lot after Pearl Harbor, and a divided legislature could have seen one side accusing the other of not supporting America enough after we were attacked.

It’s weird looking at America and our war footing from that era - Putin doesn’t seem to be able to get Russia on the kind of war footing that he needs, and he’s had two years to do it (or ten if you think about 2014), and it’s a country that shares a border with Russia.

2 hours ago, Bevo said:

As an aside, I think I've decided that I like the word Bumfuck: Someone deserves a lot of way underappreciated credit.

 I’ve been to Bumfuck, Texas, but it’s not on any map.

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

I presume, and certainly hope, our CIA spooks are over there stirring shit.

I don’t know, it’s the middle of nowhere, in a town of 17,000, with their own language/dialect.  And the Russian judicial system seems to be doing just fine stirring shit up.

This goes back to the speculation that it’s going to be minor things that turn into major things that cause problems for Putin - not tens of thousands of Russian men being turned into meat cubes, but a lack of eggs, or in this case, officials prosecuting a person that’s popular in a small region.

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16 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Related:  NYT had a fun (Austin-heavy) article today of "how do you fund manhattan project if it is totally secret?"

You didn't think they actually spent ten thousand dollars for a hammer and thirty thousand for a toilet seat, did you?

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On 1/17/2024 at 4:22 PM, Parliament said:

Several of those vids show the Bradley shooting on the move.  Goes to good training I imagine.  

And wailing on that Russian BMP at point blank range is ballah.

Stabilized turret.  Point the gun at the target and no matter what the rest of the vehicle does, the gun still points at the target.  Same as the M1s.  Training is important but shooting on the move is pretty easy with the modern computers. 

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4 hours ago, Felix said:

Stabilized turret.  Point the gun at the target and no matter what the rest of the vehicle does, the gun still points at the target.  Same as the M1s.  Training is important but shooting on the move is pretty easy with the modern computers. 

Yet 1000 bucks says that the average Russian soldier would still fuck it up somehow. 

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So reading around, and people are arguing about the upcoming elections in 8 weeks in Russia and the impact if Putin can’t take Avdiivka, which is just 5 miles or so out from Donetsk proper.  It would be like if the US Army had captured Austin in 2014 and then couldn’t take an Austin suburb half the size and population of Cedar Park after trying for a couple of years.

He’s publicly made Avdiivka a goal, which is dumb, because it’s a small suburb, and the Ukrainians had 8 years to prepare it, and more Russians have been killed or wounded trying to take Avdiivka than Ukrainians that actually lived in it pre-war.

Putin is still going to win his reelection, since the votes have probably already been counted, but damn, he’s liable to get another several thousand Russians killed or wounded trying to take Avdiivka.  

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This channel has some really good animated (real footage and satellite photos with overland animated vehicles and units) of various battles over the past two years. Kind of interesting to watch as we come up on the two year anniversary.  Really amazing how Ukraine hung on with their national guard, and how arrogant and unprepared the Russians were.  It also drives home that Russia lost so many of its best-trained and best-equipped units that Russia was so stunningly incompetent in regard to logistics.  They dumped units deep into Ukraine without any plans for a continuous logistics and reinforcement chain.  The US put on a master class in the Gulf War and in Afghanistan and Iraq (2003) in this area, and the Russians ignored it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov10MD3HFao

There is a part two that should play automatically

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It will not fall overnight, but love seeing the cracks. At least some have cojones.

Jan 19 (Reuters) - Hundreds of supporters of a jailed rights activist staged a protest on Friday in the capital of Russia's Bashkortostan republic and police detained at least seven people, a Russian news outlet reported from the scene.
The gathering in the city of Ufa took place in defiance of the region's leader, Radiy Khabirov, who has warned of tough action against what he called extremists and traitors.
Russian-language outlet SOTA Vision published video showing police warning people through a loudhailer that they would be arrested if they took part in an unauthorised gathering.
 
 
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2 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

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Robert Fico was never going to cut off sales, but his bullet remark was about donations. He remains an utter piece of dick who is in the pocket of local corrupt actors and who will instinctively side with Russia. There is no place for celebration, that country is now a black hole in Europe. 

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Russia planning a large-scale offensive in the summer.

We are coming up on the second anniversary of the original “large-scale offensive”, and that was done somewhat with an element of surprise, and it was done with their best equipment and their best-trained troops and with their original logistics chain.

But they’ll conduct a large-scale offensive this summer with conscripts who are given a few weeks of training where they get to shoot a few magazines, and they’ll have T-62s and T-55s backing them up at that point, and they’ll be shuttling tank and artillery ammo around in unarmored Scooby Doo vans…

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Did the Bradley really take out the T-90 though?   The video I've seen cuts off right as there is an explosion of some kind but that could have been the smoke grenade holder on the outside cooking off and not an actual turret explosion.   

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1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

Did the Bradley really take out the T-90 though?   The video I've seen cuts off right as there is an explosion of some kind but that could have been the smoke grenade holder on the outside cooking off and not an actual turret explosion.   

There’s a longer video floating around. Their anti-armor ammo feed apparently jammed and they switched to HE and blinded the he T-90’s sights but couldn’t finish it. Another Bradley came in and/or a drone helped finish it off. 

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On 1/19/2024 at 8:46 AM, Viper said:

Wondering how accurate these subtitles are. His best bet is to surrender to Ukraine

 

 

There's got be an ideal still-shot in here that needs to become the new meme for the West of Gob Bluth staring blankly, "I've made a huge mistake."  

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2 hours ago, Macanudo said:

Did the Bradley really take out the T-90 though?   The video I've seen cuts off right as there is an explosion of some kind but that could have been the smoke grenade holder on the outside cooking off and not an actual turret explosion.   

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

There’s a longer video floating around. Their anti-armor ammo feed apparently jammed and they switched to HE and blinded the he T-90’s sights but couldn’t finish it. Another Bradley came in and/or a drone helped finish it off. 

Which is exactly how competent war fighting works.  Battles aren't a combination of 1:1 duels.  You maneuver, find advantage and then gang up on individual enemies.

Also.

The (checks notes) #1 exporter of natural gas in the World can't keep its people warm.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered the nationalization of an ammunition plant in Moscow after a mechanical failure caused tens of thousands of Muscovites to lose heat and water amid freezing temperatures beginning last week.

On January 4, a heating main burst at the Klimovsk Specialized Ammunition Plant in the town of Podolsk, which is around 30 miles south of central Moscow. Since then, tens of thousands of Russians are reported to have no heating in their homes in the Moscow region amid subzero temperatures.

Affected areas include the cities of Khimki, Balashikha, Lobnya, Lyubertsy, Podolsk, Chekhov, Naro-Fominsk, and Podolsk, a map published by a Russian Telegram channel and shared on other social media sites shows.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-maps-moscow-power-outage-heat-winter-freeze-emergency-1859079

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

That's wild that war thunder is that accurate in their armor modeling lol. It's also ironic that a free to play game out of russia is helping to kill more russians 

War Thunder fans are crazy about accuracy.

https://www.gamesradar.com/war-of-thunder-player-shares-classified-military-documents-because-a-tank-design-is-not-quite-right/

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A War Thunder player has shared classified UK defense documents in an effort to get the development team to redesign a tank within the game.

War Thunder player Pyrophoric – who'd taken to the game's official forum in a bid to get developer Gaijin to improve the accuracy of the design of the vehicle – posted excerpts from a Challenge 2 Army Equipment Support Publication – "sort of like a user manual", according to UK Defence Journal (thanks, Eurogamer) – stating it proved the developer's version of the tank was "not quite right".

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Although the accompanying images reportedly had "unclassified" stamped upon them, a spokesperson for the Ministry of Defence – the UK government's department responsible for implementing the UK's defense policy – allegedly told the site's moderating team that despite what the images said, the document was still classified and not for public circulation.

"We have written confirmation from MoD that this document remains classified," explained a moderator on the official War Thunder forum. "By continuing to disseminate it you are in violation of the Official Secrets Act as stated by the warning on the cover of the document, an offense which can carry up to a 14-year prison sentence if prosecuted. 

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"Of this you are already aware, as a service person, you have signed a declaration that you understand the act and what actions it compels you to take. Every time you post this you place us (International representatives of Gaijin), especially any UK citizens, in hot water as the warning so helpfully states that unauthorized retention of a protected document is an offense."

In order to shut down the discussion and avoid more uncomfortable conversations with government officials, moderators have now closed and locked the 319-page-long thread, and the classified images have been removed.

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This is just as well, as – astonishingly – it's not the first time something like this has happened. According to a recent post by community manager Smin1080p, the "last time such a document was shared that was claimed to be 'unclassified' it was in fact still classified and was confirmed that it should never have been shared". 

 

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