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14 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

So is yours totally normal? Ok.

Apparently it is all relative. 

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37 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Try to avoid politics. A bunch of you people have fucked up families. 

Wow, what a wonderful contribution to the general discuss being had here. 

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2 minutes ago, USMCHorn said:

Wow, what a wonderful contribution to the general discuss being had here. 

glad I could help with the emote. 

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31 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

My sister is a hardcore racist right winger who’d support murdering minorities and would happily don a cloak. No fucking idea what happened to her. 

What's that Woody Allen movie where the kid is a hardcore conservative but it turns out he has a brain tumor or something?

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2 hours ago, sachick said:

My whole family hates trump except for my mom. She does that whole “why does everyone have to argue in politics” and was very hurt when her sisters got upset with her for voting for Cruz and therefore still supporting Trump. She’s catholic and votes on abortion primarily with my stepdad(an old white man) throwing in standard republican economy points. We don’t discuss politics. At all. But that will change after the holidays. I could deal with her voting Trump before we knew how he would be as president but I cannot deal with her continuing to support him. His not a political stance, it’s about morals and ethics.

I’m not married but there is no way in hell I could ever eat or marry someone who is a full on trumper. Again, I can disagree with policies but I can’t live with someone who is ok with putting kids in cages.

What? 

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The girlfriend's family is left of me, except for one of her uncle's who pretty republican, and another uncle who's libertarian. We all get along b pretty well, and if politics come up we just discuss our diffrences and go on with our lives.

Most of my family are for Trump, and when they say something, I don't know since I'm in Oregon. 

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What? 

Autocorrect sucks and I’m really bad about not proofreading. I couldn’t date or marry, I eat just fine

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2 minutes ago, sachick said:


Autocorrect sucks and I’m really bad about not proofreading. I couldn’t date or marry, I eat just fine

Ha, I was just thinking you had a bunch of never Trumpers and Democrats in your crawl space.

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My mom voted for Trump and Beto. I don't even try to understand.

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3 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

So is yours totally normal? Ok.

I don’t know, from the ranting about the holidays thread, it seems like an inordinate number of people here have seriously dysfunctional relationships with their families. I wouldn’t call that normal. And it’s at least possible that this thread and that one correlate in some ways.

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Wife and I are center right. She’s a bit more socially liberal, but wouldn’t consider either of us left. My parents are lifelong Democrats but pretty center, I guess. They’ve gotten more conservative in their old age but i don’t ever see them voting R. No Fox News or anything like that.  My brother had a portrait of Trump over his mantle for awhile. He’s since hung it in the garage. His wife is Hispanic so i don’t know wtf is going on there. Wife’s family is pretty much split 50/50 with no one a Trumper. Pretty much all 41/Clinton/W types.  There are too many grandkids running around and everyone sees each other once every 6 weeks or so, so Thanksgiving and Christmas aren’t long and drawn out with political discussions and such.  
 

I really like a few of the Dem candidates this go around, but don’t know if I can pull the lever either way. Trump sucks nuts and that’s not happening but there’s a movement on the left to destroy my industry. So guess I’m out in the cold for now. 

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My mom's side is all on the liberal spectrum, my dad's side is all on the conservative spectrum (no maga's though). Neither really talks politics very often, but every single one of them think Trump is a clown. No idea if any voted for him though (I suspect most of the conservatives held their nose). 

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3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

What's that Woody Allen movie where the kid is a hardcore conservative but it turns out he has a brain tumor or something?

Everyone Says I Love You

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My wife is pretty centrist,  Buttigieg supporter, we don't have any political disagreements that we have ever argued over.

None of my siblings share my political views but then most people don't so I am used to no one really caring about my views. I do have 1 Evangelical Republican sister and two sisters that are Bernie ride or die. They got into a shouting match a couple of years ago but it was the Bernie siblings that stepped out of line in that situation.

 

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My dad has never voted for a D in his life but he supported Hillary in 2016. I was shocked and pleased. He and my mom have gotten more liberal as they have gotten older probably because they moved out of our conservative hometown to a more liberal place.

My sisters are both faith-based but the granola kind of Christians. Probably pro-life but it doesn't drive their votes. They are strongly pro-gun control.

Needless to say my family all despises Trump and are disgusted by the current Republicans. I am truly proud of my family's reasonable and reality-based political views. I know I am very lucky.  I am to the left of all of them but not too much.

My exhusband and his family (with whom I get along pretty well because we put the kids first) are very, very conservative in all ways and think they truly think they will go to hell for ever voting for a D because of abortion. Some of them hate Trump but will stick with him because abortion. Others are full MAGA.

My kids get exposed to all of this. Politics is a big deal on both sides of the family.

 

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31 minutes ago, F250 said:

I do have 1 Evangelical Republican sister and two sisters that are Bernie ride or die. They got into a shouting match a couple of years ago but it was the Bernie siblings that stepped out of line in that situation.

Your sisters sound cool as hell

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1 hour ago, used2b said:

My dad has never voted for a D in his life but he supported Hillary in 2016. I was shocked and pleased. He and my mom have gotten more liberal as they have gotten older probably because they moved out of our conservative hometown to a more liberal place.

My sisters are both faith-based but the granola kind of Christians. Probably pro-life but it doesn't drive their votes. They are strongly pro-gun control.

Needless to say my family all despises Trump and are disgusted by the current Republicans. I am truly proud of my family's reasonable and reality-based political views. I know I am very lucky.  I am to the left of all of them but not too much.

My exhusband and his family (with whom I get along pretty well because we put the kids first) are very, very conservative in all ways and think they truly think they will go to hell for ever voting for a D because of abortion. Some of them hate Trump but will stick with him because abortion. Others are full MAGA.

My kids get exposed to all of this. Politics is a big deal on both sides of the family.

 

That someone, who is old enough to be a poster’s father, voted Dem for the first time in their life for fucking  Hillary goddamn Clinton might be the most rigoddamndickulous thing I have ever read in the Cloakroom. 

 

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9 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

You haven't slipped in any mentions of Trump paying his mistresses to have abortions?

Yeah, the odds of Trump having paid for at least one abortion in his fucked up life have to approach 95%. 

My immediate family is super liberal.  So is my wife's.  My extended family has plenty of MAGA folks, and anti-Trump conservatives, including 2 of the 10 anti-Trump evangelicals nationwide. There can be some good discussion with the actual conservatives, but the MAGA ones are just completely irrational.  Mostly though, it always turns to comparative religion talk rather than politics. 

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1 hour ago, used2b said:

My dad has never voted for a D in his life but he supported Hillary in 2016. I was shocked and pleased. He and my mom have gotten more liberal as they have gotten older probably because they moved out of our conservative hometown to a more liberal place.

My sisters are both faith-based but the granola kind of Christians. Probably pro-life but it doesn't drive their votes. They are strongly pro-gun control.

Needless to say my family all despises Trump and are disgusted by the current Republicans. I am truly proud of my family's reasonable and reality-based political views. I know I am very lucky.  I am to the left of all of them but not too much.

My exhusband and his family (with whom I get along pretty well because we put the kids first) are very, very conservative in all ways and think they truly think they will go to hell for ever voting for a D because of abortion. Some of them hate Trump but will stick with him because abortion. Others are full MAGA.

My kids get exposed to all of this. Politics is a big deal on both sides of the family.

 

Ex-husband you say?  How YOU doin’?

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39 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Apparently you're posting on the divorced thread, huh?

No.  Not yet anyway.

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DNAgal is a more conservative than I. We get into it sometimes. Less so now that we have young kids because why fight about politics when you have so little time just between yourselves. I’d say fundamentally we have the same values. 

What we get into on is mostly fiscal stuff. She’s very much a supply sider / low tax person. She doesn’t see the value social programs generally. She had A very privileged upbringing in which she never had to worry about money, went to sleep away summer camp, went on European vacations, etc. I don’t think she really empathizes with people on the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder due to this and that really shapes her world view. 

After kids, I’d say she’s gotten more conservative on abortion. She’s pro choice,... but doesn’t see the harm in putting in restrictions. She really dislikes Trump.... but I do notice how she minimizes a lot of what he does due to her republicanism. She always asks me if I think Trump is the only politician to do <insert batshit crazy trump thing>, when I bring it up. That’s frustrating. She also thinks the Clintons had people killed which is weird.

My ‘rents are Regan Cali Republicans who landed and got stranded in Texas due to the oil boom/bust. My in-laws are rich, Texas business owning Repubs. My mom has been more seemingly more liberal than my dad but never talked about who she votes for. That’s private. She never liked Hillary but I think she voted for her due to her distaste for Trump. She really hates that man. My dad just wants a good economy. And cares 0 about social issues. Like nothing. at. All. He voted for Bill Clinton both times around and for Obama in 08. I think that might have been  his only D votes but IDK. He always says that the country needs to be run like a business. Voted for Trump and says he has never gotten a real ‘chance’ to run the country yet. He doesn’t try to defend Trump’s foreign policy or him personally. He just wants a good economy that can grow his 401K.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Try to avoid politics. A bunch of you people have fucked up families. 

This from the guy who gets so pissy over a football game he's asked to sleep on the couch.

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7 hours ago, Incredulity said:

That someone, who is old enough to be a poster’s father, voted Dem for the first time in their life for fucking  Hillary goddamn Clinton might be the most rigoddamndickulous thing I have ever read in the Cloakroom. 

 

Well, the other option was Trump, so...

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We voted Obama when he ran and for a long time we’re disappointed that he didn’t accomplish more during his presidency. Then we finally figured out that Fox News and the Republicans were exercising political warfare in a way that this country had never seen before. We finally realized what was going on and started paying attention to biased news and a non-cooperative Republican Party.

We then tried to show our other family members what was happening, even going so far as to show them the specific publications that were promoting nothing but propaganda.

I’m proud to say it worked beautifully and we all now live in harmony. Not really. Every family member completely ignores the media bias and sits on Fox News 24/7, reinforcing their mythical view of the world. Total failure. Now we don’t discuss anything.

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1 hour ago, Nolacycling said:

This from the guy who gets so pissy over a football game he's asked to sleep on the couch.

I'm not going to fault him for this. It's why I stopped going to games in person and have actually tapered off watching at all. I'm just not capable of passively enjoying Texas football. I never have been and I tried but it's not possible.

He'll grow out of it.

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1 hour ago, Nolacycling said:

This from the guy who gets so pissy over a football game he's asked to sleep on the couch.

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FTR, no couch cushions were harmed.  Took me a sec to figure out what you were referencing.  Well done. Game threads are fun. 

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12 hours ago, workswithseed said:

Ha, I was just thinking you had a bunch of never Trumpers and Democrats in your crawl space.

I was figuring she just wouldn't go down on a Trumper.

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Here for my semi-annual CR post.

Wife, both sets of inlaws, parents, me are generally moderate.

My younger sister was a Presidential intern just before Monica Lewinski showed up, she worked for Al Gore and just loved being in the Clinton White House.  After she finished law school and a few years of boutique DC law, she removed that experience from her resume (non partisan civil service job, but final interview was with then speaker Dennis Hastert (R)) and became associate parliamentarian of the House of Reps, which is an awesome job when you're childless and in your 20s, (Government pay and some 18 hour days).  Since a parliamentarian has to be in the House anytime it's in session I'd see her on CSPAN, at the Parliamentarian's bench trying not to fall asleep as some freshman congressperson droned on about some topic during special orders at 11pm.

Can someone die from depression?  If so, then I'm afraid for her life should DJT win re-election.  Now she works for the Justice dept in a west coast, liberal bastion, and anytime she brings up politics I have to change the subject to something that matters, like my nephews, or my own kids.

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52 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It's why I stopped going to games in person and have actually tapered off watching at all.

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17 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Give your parents the gift of posting this Christmas and make accounts for them.

They're also both convicted felons, so they can't vote. 

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34 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Who are they, Bonnie and Clyde?

nope, separate offenses 15 years apart.  

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52 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

They're also both convicted felons, so they can't vote. 

Bernie's gonna let 'em vote.

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I have an interesting situation.  My fil is Hungarian.  Born there during WWII.  He fled the "revolution" on foot.  His father was disappeared based on mental illness, the primary characteristic of which was political dissidence.  His brothers remained in Hungary.

So, he is staunchly anti-communist for obvious reasons.  He tends to see bogeymen in socialistic programs and policies.  Hungary was "democratic socialist" before the Soviets took over and, while not Stalinist, pretty damned communist.  So he saw the progression from "socialistic" to outright socialism and communism.  He views it as a slippery slope.  I can't really disagree with that, certainly not with the personal experience that guides those beliefs.

Due to this background, he is pretty conservative.  It's aggravated by his age.  He's mostly not terribly socially conservative, but he has a nasty nationalistic streak for both Hungary and the US.  Hungarians are pretty resentful of having been Europe's territorial hockey puck for five centuries or so. He mostly despises Muslims for both current and historical reasons. He's an Orban fan for these reasons.

On the other hand, due to his circumstances, he does not have a degree or really much of an education at all.  You wouldn't know this even from fairly in-depth conversation.  He's pretty well read.

He has held union labor jobs.  I don't think he ever voluntarily joined a union, but was definitely a beneficiary of union bargaining.  He's an immigrant.  He's twice divorced and has made galactically stupid financial decisions, but he's ok in part due to third marriage to a very financially conservative woman (meaning stable, well-off).  He and his wife, Lutherans, but Missouri Synod so kinda evangelical.  They support an Afghan woman who is at least nominally Muslim, but sought and received asylum based on Muslim-woman mistreatment. 

He is one of the people that is hurt by recent conservative policies and has made many of the mistakes that conservatives condemn "the poors" for.

He's a computer-phile and uses facebook, initially to keep up with Hungarian family.  He doesn't forward a lot of stupid bullshit, but he's definitely influenced by propaganda on there.  Fox News, of course.


Bottom line is, he's a Trumper.  Not the worst, but getting close.  He's not enough of an asshole personally to go around offending people with Maga-ness.  But, as with a lot of bored oldsters, he likes to talk politics.  I expressed my disdain for Trump personally back before the primaries, so he knows I basically hate his guts.  He defends him mildly in my presence and loves to talk about liberal silliness, but that's not a MAGA thing.  He loves the "mental illness" trope, but see the first couple of paragraphs. We can have a civil discussion about it in part because I remain right-leaning on a lot of issues, even though virtually none of those issues are addressed or supported by Trump or the recent GOP.

Other than that, we don't discuss politics much in my family.

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19 hours ago, formermav43 said:

I don’t know, from the ranting about the holidays thread, it seems like an inordinate number of people here have seriously dysfunctional relationships with their families. I wouldn’t call that normal. And it’s at least possible that this thread and that one correlate in some ways.

What lunatics have completely functional relationships with their entire extended family? 

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I'm not going to fault him for this. It's why I stopped going to games in person and have actually tapered off watching at all. I'm just not capable of passively enjoying Texas football. I never have been and I tried but it's not possible.
He'll grow out of it.

Not to football the CR, because the former board is absolutely worse these days, but damn this hits close to home.

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It used to be easy to deal with my family and the in-laws because we were all somewhere on the conservative side of the spectrum. I became disillusioned with Texas Republicans when they started going (more) far right and gutting public education funding around 2011. Then came trump who turned the wife and I into solid Dems who even donate small amounts to candidates we like. There is no going back for us unless there is a massive shift in the political landscape.

It has made family gatherings less fun because my in-laws have gone full maga at the same time as we went left. I don’t talk politics with them because it’s pointless. My family is a little better but I stopped talking politics with them years ago. 

It’s interesting that my mother and mother in law both independently realized that Fox News was brainwashing their spouses and sucking them into a 24 hour cycle of being pissed about nothing. They have scaled back some but having a somewhat sane voice in the house helps immensely. 

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My wife is more conservative than I am, especially when it comes to social issues. She tends to be somewhat apolitical in general, though, with the exception being this last ballot dealing with state income tax. I assume it has something to do with her being an accountant, but that’s just a guess. I can’t remember a time we’ve fought over politics. 

My entire family votes Republican and so does hers, with the exception being her brother. He’s a rabid anti-Trumper and very vocal about that fact, but overall he’s harmless. It’s actually shocking how little anyone in my family discusses politics. 

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In my immediate family, from most to least conservative over my lifetime was probably this order:

Dad

mom

me

my son

my wife

my daughter

 

My parents were Republican when it wasn't much of a thing among their core group.  Our household voted for Ford, for example.

Dan Patrick-style Republicanism eroded support from my parents.  Mom eventually bailed on them due to Patrick and that wing.  But my dad held on the longest.  Even during the first year of the Trump presidency, he tried to hold onto it.  But he just couldn't keep it up.  He openly despises the man now.  The most conservative member of my family, over 80 years old, may never have voted for a Dem presidential candidate, will happily pull the lever for whoever the Dems nominate.

On the other end, my wife and daughter have been pushed so far away from anything that has a whiff of the modern "conservative" movement that we'll be lucky to keep them from voting Communist/Green if that's on offer (some hyperbole there -- my daughter actually makes fun of the "communists" -- and there are full-blown ones -- she's encountered up in Quebec).  But they'll never, ever vote for a GOP candidate for anything.

So, our conversations around the table are just fine these days.

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On 11/20/2019 at 6:24 PM, sachick said:


Autocorrect sucks and I’m really bad about not proofreading. I couldn’t date or marry, I eat just fine

go on...

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Both my parents and my spouses' parents have passed away at somewhat young ages, so there isn't any difficulty with political discussions and family members, really. We avoid talking politics with our siblings and since we live pretty far away from all of them, it is better that way. I do know they run the gamut on political persuasions, and as far as I know, no one is all that engaged in the political scene. I enjoy listening to my children share their views about who and what they support, even though I don't always agree with them.

As is usual since our children's last grandparent passed away, this Thanksgiving we will have about ten guests whose families live too far away for them to leave town. Since many are not from the US, I doubt if politics will be a topic of conversation. For some, it is their first "American" Thanksgiving and I make all the usual foods that my spouse and I had growing up: turkey, mashed potatoes, dressing, sweet potato casserole, pies, etc. Sometimes our guests bring foods from their home countries and as far as I'm concerned samosas are a great Thanksgiving dish.

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I grew up in a purple household. My mom and her family are from west Texas and consider themselves to be yellow dog Democrats. My dad and his family are from the DFW area and are conservative but not the religious kind of conservative. The Mrs family is deep red and pretty religious too. She's only voted for one Democrat her entire life and it was the judge who married us in downtown Dallas. 

We rarely talk politics together. Never talk politics around family. I think her family would spontaneously combust if they knew I voted for Obama twice and voted for Trump in 2016.

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My mom votes Democrat in every election. She has attempted to be nice and give Dotard the benefit of the doubt, mostly because she is a saint and thinks the best about people. 

I told her a few months ago that there is no positive side to Dotard. She gets that and realizes how bad he is for our country. She'll vote for the Democrat again in 2020. I wish the rest of my family had her resolve. They do not though. Some real hardcore Dotard fans in my family. 

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On 11/21/2019 at 8:00 AM, bad_teammate said:

I'm not going to fault him for this.

Me neither.  While they never repeat them, I’m certain my oldest could make a sailor blush. Thanks Charlie and Tom, you incompetent fucks. 

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I believe the key to discussing politics with people is to keep it laser-focused on an issue and refrain from discussing support for a party or a person. Trump makes that tough because the issue is usually 99% him.   And when it comes to Trump people dig in on both sides.

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Bernie's gonna let 'em vote.


Convicted felons can already vote in Texas, as long as their sentence, probation and/or parole is completed.

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