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On 7/27/2021 at 9:38 AM, Muy Frio said:

 

Well shit, after 15 months of wearing masks everywhere and avoiding crowds at indoor venues, we went maskless for the first time at a memorial service for one of the Mueller BBQ family in the Taylor SPJST Hall this past Sunday. LA BBQ catered. Only saw one server wearing a mask. Some aggy sitting at a table near us.

Are we ded yet?

 

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14 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

 


Well sure, but even if the U.S. was 100% vaccinated with very low new transmission, variants can easily emerge in other parts of the world and make their way here.

 

So you are okay with unnecessarily adding to the mutation opportunities?  Yes, there will be ample chances for new mutations elsewhere in the world, but that doesn't mean we should add to those.  I get it, you've done everything you are supposed to do, and it is the anti-vaxxers screwing it up for everyone.  Why should you have to go back to wearing a mask when you did the right thing?  Because it is the right thing to do.  Justifying not wearing a mask in risky situations is no different than those who don't have good reasons for not getting jabbed.

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Lady who cuts my hair told me this morning how 2 of the 8 women who went to Mexico for a bachelorette came back positive…the two that weren’t vaccinated, naturally.  She went onto say that she was lucky they tested 72 hours (the limit) before leaving, as she started with symptoms 24 hours before leaving and was feeling so bad on the drive home from the airport that she went to the doc the very next morning.  
 

I sure do hope masks attenuate spread, and I’m glad they’re still required to fly…because those two ladies were in contact with dozens during their journey home as well as being in a tube of compressed air for 3 hours while starting to show symptoms at their most contagious.  

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11 minutes ago, idigTexas said:

So you are okay with unnecessarily adding to the mutation opportunities?  Yes, there will be ample chances for new mutations elsewhere in the world, but that doesn't mean we should add to those.  I get it, you've done everything you are supposed to do, and it is the anti-vaxxers screwing it up for everyone.  Why should you have to go back to wearing a mask when you did the right thing?  Because it is the right thing to do.  Justifying not wearing a mask in risky situations is no different than those who don't have good reasons for not getting jabbed.

First of all, I work in healthcare and wear a mask every day all day at work. So I'm not shedding the mask anytime soon as much as I would like to. I don't wear a mask to go into stores lately, but I also don't go into a lot of stores and I generally don't get too close to other people. I travel a decent amount and wear masks in airports and on planes. I'm not sure where else I should be wearing a mask that I'm not already.

Second of all, I'm highly skeptical of the idea that vaccinated people who don't wear masks will significantly increase the likelihood of a new deadlier variant emerging. I still feel like the rate of transmission from vaccinated people to each other or even to unvaccinated people is exceptionally low. Do I think it happens somewhere? Absolutely, but that's a tiny fraction of the total new cases of COVID in our country and worldwide, and therefore, a tiny possibility of a deadlier variant emerging.

If people are truly concerned about variants to that exceptionally small fraction of cases, then we should've never stopped masking to begin with, and we should continue all distancing precautions until the disease is completely eradicated from the earth. Close the bars, close the schools, stop allowing spectators at sports. Any new COVID case could be the deadly super variant that overpowers the vaccines and humanity will end.

But that would be ridiculous and we all know it, and anything to that effect, including asking vaccinated people to wear masks in public again, undermines the integrity of the vaccines and further supports unvaccinated people foolishly deciding not to ever get vaccinated.

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3 hours ago, Captainant said:

TBH, I think a big aspect of it is that practically speaking - asshats who won't get vaccinated are also the same people looking for ANY reason to not wear a mask. If we require everyone to wear a mask, it will absolutely improve mask usage among the unvaxxed. 

I do think you're right in that the mask policy won't be THE SOLE reason for delta going down, but that's not really how pandemic response works. It's all a game of percentage points of odds and allocation of effort to efforts to improve those odds. In the grand scheme of things, mask usage costs NOTHING and applies considerable downward pressure against the spread of respiratory illness. Just wear a fucking mask. It's a pandemic.

Agreed.

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1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:

Seems like there are a few ways to more strongly encourage vaccination:

1. Restrict freedoms for unvaccinated people. No more flying on a plane without a vaccine. Travel is a privilege and air travel currently has a mask mandate from the federal government, so replace the mask requirement with a vaccine requirement.
Maybe restrict in person learning at public universities to vaccinated people only. I suppose that would be a state level decision which means a lot of states with low vaccination rates wouldn’t do it because politics.

2. Provide more freedoms to vaccinated people. If unvaccinated people can’t fly, then everyone in the airports should be vaccinated and should be allowed to fly without a mask because we believe the vaccines are working. Get rid of the COVID test requirement for vaccinated people entering the U.S. from foreign travel. On that note, almost every situation that currently calls for a COVID screening test should be supplanted by proof of vaccine.

We absolutely should be doing these, and requiring vaccines for gatherings as well - sporting events, concerts, movie theaters, restaurants, bars, etc.  Unfortunately the political will isn't there.

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1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:

and anything to that effect, including asking vaccinated people to wear masks in public again, undermines the integrity of the vaccines and further supports unvaccinated people foolishly deciding not to ever get vaccinated.

They're not going to get vaccinated so we need to stop with worrying that we're going to scare them from getting vaccinated in the future. Besides the information is out there if they want to learn.

 

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2 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

First of all, I work in healthcare and wear a mask every day all day at work. So I'm not shedding the mask anytime soon as much as I would like to. I don't wear a mask to go into stores lately, but I also don't go into a lot of stores and I generally don't get too close to other people. I travel a decent amount and wear masks in airports and on planes. I'm not sure where else I should be wearing a mask that I'm not already.

Second of all, I'm highly skeptical of the idea that vaccinated people who don't wear masks will significantly increase the likelihood of a new deadlier variant emerging. I still feel like the rate of transmission from vaccinated people to each other or even to unvaccinated people is exceptionally low. Do I think it happens somewhere? Absolutely, but that's a tiny fraction of the total new cases of COVID in our country and worldwide, and therefore, a tiny possibility of a deadlier variant emerging.

If people are truly concerned about variants to that exceptionally small fraction of cases, then we should've never stopped masking to begin with, and we should continue all distancing precautions until the disease is completely eradicated from the earth. Close the bars, close the schools, stop allowing spectators at sports. Any new COVID case could be the deadly super variant that overpowers the vaccines and humanity will end.

But that would be ridiculous and we all know it, and anything to that effect, including asking vaccinated people to wear masks in public again, undermines the integrity of the vaccines and further supports unvaccinated people foolishly deciding not to ever get vaccinated.

That mostly sounds reasonable.  I will continue to defer to sources I trust for guidance on the appropriate actions that vaccinated people should be taking...if I can every figure out who they are.  When in doubt, I will wear a mask.  Unfortunately, I am in doubt far too often.   

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4 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

Seems like there are a few ways to more strongly encourage vaccination:

1. Restrict freedoms for unvaccinated people. No more flying on a plane without a vaccine. Travel is a privilege and air travel currently has a mask mandate from the federal government, so replace the mask requirement with a vaccine requirement.
Maybe restrict in person learning at public universities to vaccinated people only. I suppose that would be a state level decision which means a lot of states with low vaccination rates wouldn’t do it because politics.

2. Provide more freedoms to vaccinated people. If unvaccinated people can’t fly, then everyone in the airports should be vaccinated and should be allowed to fly without a mask because we believe the vaccines are working. Get rid of the COVID test requirement for vaccinated people entering the U.S. from foreign travel. On that note, almost every situation that currently calls for a COVID screening test should be supplanted by proof of vaccine.

3. Pay people. At a certain point, it’s simple economics. Estimate the healthcare cost of the projected Delta wave, take half that money, and divide it up as a tax incentive to everyone who was vaccinated this year. They probably should have made the last round of stimulus money contingent on having a vaccine. If people are really hurting financially and need money, then they need to at least do their part to help end the pandemic that triggered their hardship.

Actually if these sources within the administration are correct and the vaccinated population are transmitting at a high rate, shouldn’t their movements be restricted for the health and safety of everyone? Are masks really enough?

 

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2 hours ago, WBT said:

We absolutely should be doing these, and requiring vaccines for gatherings as well - sporting events, concerts, movie theaters, restaurants, bars, etc.  Unfortunately the political will isn't there.

Fuck yea... no moar speeding tickets or PIs to the Vaccinated!

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12 minutes ago, Muy Frio said:

Actually if these sources within the administration are correct and the vaccinated population are transmitting at a high rate, shouldn’t their movements be restricted for the health and safety of everyone? Are masks really enough?

 

Have you been vaccinated?

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3 hours ago, Homercles said:

Lady who cuts my hair told me this morning how 2 of the 8 women who went to Mexico for a bachelorette came back positive…the two that weren’t vaccinated, naturally.  She went onto say that she was lucky they tested 72 hours (the limit) before leaving, as she started with symptoms 24 hours before leaving and was feeling so bad on the drive home from the airport that she went to the doc the very next morning.  
 

I sure do hope masks attenuate spread, and I’m glad they’re still required to fly…because those two ladies were in contact with dozens during their journey home as well as being in a tube of compressed air for 3 hours while starting to show symptoms at their most contagious.  

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be fair, it’s not the same air the whole flight. It’s exchanged and filtered. The airlines claim its entirely exchanged every few minutes but we all know how trustworthy airlines and airplane manufacturers are when their bottom line gets affected. 

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6 hours ago, dcar00 said:

there is no data saying breakthrough cases exist because of unvaccinated.

Uh, when 99% of all hospitalizations are unvaccinated folks, who do you think is doing the bulk of the transmission?

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5 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

interestingly to me, our HEB still has a policy of vaccinated can be maskless posted. So that company still believes that vaccination is sufficient. 

My unvaccinated in-law, the qanon idiot, has let us know plenty of times that she thinks those signs about the vaccinated can go maskless are hilarious, because she can just tell any employees that look at her that she's vaccinated.

A part of me really wants Delta to thoroughly kick her ass so that she'd finally shut the fuck up about it being a hoax.

The problem is that she's currently not insured, and so if she ends up in the hospital, her dad and step-mom will pay for it (and it will be expensive as shit), which eats into my kids' inheritance.

Here's hoping Delta burns through so fast that infections go down rapidly in Texas.

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4 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Are we ded yet?

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Yes, you are dead Armybrat, because that is 100% what I believe Hell looks like.

Hell is being eternally confined to the the Slavonic Benevolent Order of the State of Texas Lodge in Taylor, Texas.

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Shit like this is why COVID is going to stick around a long time. Empowered stupidity and people using the excuse of "I just want more facts" to stubbornly refuse to take the smallest fucking action to help society as a whole.

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5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

 

Shit like this is why COVID is going to stick around a long time. Empowered stupidity and people using the excuse of "I just want more facts" to stubbornly refuse to take the smallest fucking action to help society as a whole.

No fucking shit.  The person who invented the Moderna vaccine is right there and you can ask her anything you want.  Who else do you want facts from?  Your dumb uncle on Facebook?

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26 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Uh, when 99% of all hospitalizations are unvaccinated folks, who do you think is doing the bulk of the transmission?

in the UK it is 40% vaccinated but its 1% in the US?

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7 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

No fucking shit.  The person who invented the Moderna vaccine is right there and you can ask her anything you want.  Who else do you want facts from?  Your dumb uncle on Facebook?

My dumbshit qanon in-law - her dad is a doctor, her mom and step-mom are also medical professionals.  One of her relatives is a medical professional who dealt with a bunch of covid patients over the past year or so.

She refuses to ask them any questions or have conversations abou tit.  Her dad, who gives her money when she needs it (which is basically monthly) has brought up the subject and explained to her that nobody in the family wants to be around her in-person as a result, and she changes the subject or leaves like a fucking forty-something teenager.

It's fucking insane.  And she has thrown temper tantrums over being asked to wear a mask.  Fucking mentally ill.

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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

now its 90+%?  I'm saying no one knows.

Sure we know.  I live in CO, so I follow our data more closely than others.  But since January 1, 95% of all hospitalizations in CO are unvaccinated.  I have seen similar data from other states.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/colorado-data-shows-95-of-people-hospitalized-with-covid-in-colorado-since-january-were-unvaccinated

"At least 95% of the nearly 10,000 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Colorado since mid-January were not vaccinated, according to data released by the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment."

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I've been trying to find similar data for Austin/Travis County hospitalizations but didn't turn anything up.

I did see this on Texas deaths:

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21/coronavirus-texas-vaccinated-deaths/

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Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.

Preliminary data shows 99.5% of COVID-related deaths in Texas were among unvaccinated people, according to the Department of State Health Services."

 

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It looks like Texas doesn't track hospitalizations between vaccinated and unvaccinated, but here's an article that says 99.5% of deaths in TX since early Feb are unvaccinated.

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21/coronavirus-texas-vaccinated-deaths/

 

EDIT:  @utee94beat me by a minute.

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Which is a little curious given that the vaccine wasn't widely available until March, which puts everyone fully vaxxed 6 weeks later.

Edit:. Nevermind. Read that wrong





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1 minute ago, Chewbacca said:

It looks like Texas doesn't track hospitalizations between vaccinated and unvaccinated, but here's an article that says 99.5% of deaths in TX since early Feb are unvaccinated.

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21/coronavirus-texas-vaccinated-deaths/

Yeah it's really frustrating.  We can't keep a running tally on it, we have to rely on news releases like this.

Here's another one I found for Austin specifically, back on 7/10:

https://austonia.com/patients-90-percent-unvaccinated

Nearly all patients hospitalized for COVID-19 in Austin are unvaccinated, report says

In a report from KXAN, Austin-Travis County Health Authority Dr. Desmar Walkes revealed that more than 90% of patients admitted to the hospital for COVID-19 were unvaccinated.

As of Friday evening, 89 people are hospitalized for the virus in the county. At least 80 of them are unvaccinated, and more than 40% of the patients are under the age of 50, according to the City of Austin.

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5 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Well shit, after 15 months of wearing masks everywhere and avoiding crowds at indoor venues, we went maskless for the first time at a memorial service for one of the Mueller BBQ family in the Taylor SPJST Hall this past Sunday. LA BBQ catered. Only saw one server wearing a mask. Some aggy sitting at a table near us.

Are we ded yet?

 

give it 2 weeks..maybe 3 if its long

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46 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

No fucking shit.  The person who invented the Moderna vaccine is right there and you can ask her anything you want.  Who else do you want facts from?  Your dumb uncle on Facebook?

This is Kizzy, FWIW.

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55 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

No fucking shit.  The person who invented the Moderna vaccine is right there and you can ask her anything you want.  Who else do you want facts from?  Your dumb uncle on Facebook?

He doesn't want more facts, he wants different "facts" that support not getting vaccinated.

ETA I would get vaccinated again just to get Dr. Corbett to smile at me like that.  Wow!

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This is probably the first, and hopefully last time I'll ever say this, but we need to do what France is doing.  No restaurants, no movies, no flying, no trains for the unvaccinated.

And no foie gras or wine for the unvaccinated!
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14 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Yeah it's really frustrating.  We can't keep a running tally on it, we have to rely on news releases like this.

Here's another one I found for Austin specifically, back on 7/10:

https://austonia.com/patients-90-percent-unvaccinated

Nearly all patients hospitalized for COVID-19 in Austin are unvaccinated, report says

In a report from KXAN, Austin-Travis County Health Authority Dr. Desmar Walkes revealed that more than 90% of patients admitted to the hospital for COVID-19 were unvaccinated.

As of Friday evening, 89 people are hospitalized for the virus in the county. At least 80 of them are unvaccinated, and more than 40% of the patients are under the age of 50, according to the City of Austin.

Is that self-reported or from verification of records? I bet there are a decent number of unvaccinated claiming to be vaccinated if self-reported.

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485 cases today in Travis County. Big case numbers for the day. Fuck this shit. If you are not vaccinated you are an asshole. 66 admits today and 314 people hospitalized. This is our first day over 300 in the hospital since 2/23. We have traveled back in time 8 fucking months due to a bunch of people that put themselves over the common fucking good. I am normally a pretty balanced person but this resurgence is really pissing me off as it is largely avoidable. We'd be at like 25-40 cases a day if everyone had been vaccinated. 

(rant over - here is the data) cases still skewing younger which bodes well for deaths.

Age Bracket <1 1 to 9 10 to 19 20 to 29 30 to 39 40 to 49 50 to 59 60 to 69 70 to 79 >80 Total
Cases 7/28 vs 7/27 3 26 58 131 104 73 43 26 15 6 485
% of Daily Change 0.62% 5.36% 11.96% 27.01% 21.44% 15.05% 8.87% 5.36% 3.09% 1.24%  
% of Total Cases 0.64% 4.38% 10.61% 26.04% 20.73% 14.86% 11.10% 6.48% 3.15% 2.02%  
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7 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

We'd be at like 25-40 cases a day if everyone had been vaccinated. 

It'd be great if the unvaccinated folks (who have no excuse to not get vaccinated) who get hospitalized, had to pay 100% of the hospital bills.

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

It'd be great if the unvaccinated folks (who have no excuse to not get vaccinated) who get hospitalized, had to pay 100% of the hospital bills.

preach on preacher. This is just ridiculous. People that wanted to politicize a virus and cause nothing but bullshit in terms of mask protests, unnecessary healthcare burden etc can all get rightly fucked.

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Ive said it before and ill say it again… there is only one way to increase vaccine uptake in this country:

 

Put out a PSA today that if you catch COVID and are unvaccinated, you cannot come to the hospital for help. 
 

We’ll be at 75% vaccinated in less than a week

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18 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Ive said it before and ill say it again… there is only one way to increase vaccine uptake in this country:

 

Put out a PSA today that if you catch COVID and are unvaccinated, you cannot come to the hospital for help. 
 

We’ll be at 75% vaccinated in less than a week

Aren’t you a nurse?

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1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Ive said it before and ill say it again… there is only one way to increase vaccine uptake in this country:

 

Put out a PSA today that if you catch COVID and are unvaccinated, you cannot come to the hospital for help. 
 

We’ll be at 75% vaccinated in less than a week

It's way more likely to cause protests outside of hospitals and doctors and nurses harassed on the way to their cars.

Horrible, this idea.

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