The Robert Mueller Investigation

[Gap03 3143]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sourced or not, I don't believe that's real.  It has to be a fake planted in with docs as a decoy -- something done by a hacking team to discredit the release, etc.  That's not real, and we shouldn't buy that it is.

People have been saying Sater has been cooperating with the FBI for a while now, right?  It would seem like that would be the sort of thing that Felix would be corroborating as part of his cooperation, I'd think.  That said, that email is pretty ridiculous.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Seriously, I wish people would quit posting the fake tweets and emails and shit.

Do you really think I would post that without vetting it? 

[Brisketexan 103146]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Do you really think I would post that without vetting it? 

Vetting, schmetting.  That's just ridiculously over the top.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

 

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Vetting, schmetting.  That's just ridiculously over the top.

It was just as over the top 18 months ago when the juicy parts were published in the NYT

Edited February 5, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[hayden_horn 11311]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/trump-tower-moscow-the-secret-files-cohen-sater-putin?ref=bfnsplash

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As a candidate, Donald Trump had a lot of praise for Vladimir Putin — and no business, he kept insisting, in Russia. These documents tell a different story.

When Michael Cohen, the president’s former lawyer and longtime fixer, testifies before Congress this week, one topic that is likely to be front and center is his work on Trump Moscow, the over-the-top luxury real estate venture he helped spearhead leading up to the election.

The development, which was never built, has already become a focus for special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into potential collusion between Trump and Russia during the 2016 campaign. And when Cohen was convicted last November of lying to Congress, it was over his false testimony that the deal had fizzled in January 2016, well before Trump emerged as the Republican nominee.

BuzzFeed News is today publishing a cache of internal Trump Organization documents that lay bare the secret negotiations that continued long after Cohen claimed the deal had been abandoned. The documents, many of which have been exclusively obtained by BuzzFeed News, reveal that — despite Trump’s claim that the development was never more than a passing notion — the effort to get the tower built was long-running, detail-oriented, and directly entwined with the ups and downs of his campaign.

As Trump went from rally to rally, vociferously denying any dealings in Russia, his representatives, Michael Cohen and his associate Felix Sater, worked with Trump Organization lawyers and even Ivanka Trump to push forward negotiations to build a 100-story edifice just miles from the Kremlin. The fixers believed they needed Putin’s support to pull off the lucrative deal, and they planned to use Trump’s public praise for him to help secure it. At the same time, they plotted to persuade Putin to openly declare his support for Trump’s candidacy. “If he says it we own this election,” Sater wrote to Cohen.

The White House did not respond to a detailed request for comment on this story. The special counsel’s office declined to comment.

This large trove of nonbinding business agreements, architectural renderings, texts, emails, and plans for Trump to travel to Russia to meet Putin offer an unprecedented glimpse inside the negotiations to build the tallest tower in Europe — a deal Trump’s fixers hoped would "help world peace and make a lot of money."

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5719169-Trump-Moscow.html#document/p202

that email is in the buzzfeed news link. 

if buzzfeed news can be trusted, then you can read all the absurd details at that document cloud link.

[jimmyjazz 45055]

The reason people don't want to believe it's real is because it's hard to believe anyone could be so stupid as to electronically communicate such a thing.

We live in interesting times, though.  That email being real would barely crack the top 20 of my own personal WTF list.

[hayden_horn 11311]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

The reason people don't want to believe it's real is because it's hard to believe anyone could be so stupid as to electronically communicate such a thing.

We live in interesting times, though.  That email being real would barely crack the top 20 of my own personal WTF list.

 

[Js1 82364]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

The reason people don't want to believe it's real is because it's hard to believe anyone could be so stupid as to electronically communicate such a thing.

We live in interesting times, though.  That email being real would barely crack the top 20 of my own personal WTF list.

It's really not.

This isn't some high-level conspiracy.  This is Stupidgate.  The Stupid Bunch.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

10 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/trump-tower-moscow-the-secret-files-cohen-sater-putin?ref=bfnsplash

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5719169-Trump-Moscow.html#document/p202

that email is in the buzzfeed news link. 

if buzzfeed news can be trusted, then you can read all the absurd details at that document cloud link.

The last 80 pages are a hoot.  Sater was operating like he’s some double agent above the law.  

[kevwun 15192]

The spat they had during the middle of the email/text chain shows what kind of idiots these people are.

Edited February 5, 2019 by kevwun

[jimmyjazz 45055]

I guess the exception that proves the rule is the likelihood that a much higher percentage of olds probably think email is more private that written communication.  You know, that letter could fall into the wrong hands.

I have a naive bias towards thinking Washington DC olds might not be that ignorant, but . . . well . . .

[ChiTownDoc 20839]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I guess the exception that proves the rule is the likelihood that a much higher percentage of olds probably think email is more private that written communication.  You know, that letter could fall into the wrong hands.

I have a naive bias towards thinking Washington DC olds might not be that ignorant, but . . . well . . .

Counterpoints:

1. Nipple

2. Button

Edited February 5, 2019 by ChiTownDoc

[kevwun 15192]

Emails like that happen when people get involved in situations they are in no way prepared or qualified to be in.  Michael Cohen knows how to get porn stars to sign an NDA.  He doesn't know how to negotiate with the Russian government.

Edited February 5, 2019 by kevwun

[Captainant 26861]

43 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sourced or not, I don't believe that's real.  It has to be a fake planted in with docs as a decoy -- something done by a hacking team to discredit the release, etc.  That's not real, and we shouldn't buy that it is.

I'm surprised at you, brisket. You of all people have been banging the "we got turbofucked by a bunch of goons" drum for a while, and this is (admittedly unconfirmed) evidence of that fuckery. 

[Js1 82364]

9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I guess the exception that proves the rule is the likelihood that a much higher percentage of olds probably think email is more private that written communication.  You know, that letter could fall into the wrong hands.

I have a naive bias towards thinking Washington DC olds might not be that ignorant, but . . . well . . .

Right...DC Olds...

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

White collar criminals are some of the dumbest because they think no one will come looking and they will never get caught.

And they are often right, sadly.

Edited February 5, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Js1 82364]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

White collar criminals are some of the dumbest because they think no one will come looking and they will never get caught.

And they are often right, sadly.

This is exactly right.

They are the privileged and they don't believe they will ever get caught and if they do, they won't be punished.

[Brisketexan 103146]

31 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I'm surprised at you, brisket. You of all people have been banging the "we got turbofucked by a bunch of goons" drum for a while, and this is (admittedly unconfirmed) evidence of that fuckery. 

I also look for and at evidence for a living.  I've found plenty of "holy shit, I can't believe they wrote that down" emails in my career.  Things that, before this, I would have characterized as an 8-9 on the "holy shit-o-meter."  Compared to the stuff in that link.....the hottest communications I've ever found just got bumped down to a 3-4 on the scale.  It's surreal and absurd.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I also look for and at evidence for a living.  I've found plenty of "holy shit, I can't believe they wrote that down" emails in my career.  Things that, before this, I would have characterized as an 8-9 on the "holy shit-o-meter."  Compared to the stuff in that link.....the hottest communications I've ever found just got bumped down to a 3-4 on the scale.  It's surreal and absurd.

We're not saying it's accurate, we're saying it's accurate that we received it from someone.[/buzzfeed]

 

[bolverk 28886]

11 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

We're not saying it's accurate, we're saying it's accurate that we received it from someone.[/buzzfeed]

 

When the fuck did YOU become an authority on accuracy?

[Thetexashammer 1062]

[bolverk 28886]

Well, that's accurate.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33693]

Called it

[Pig Bellmont 8637]

7 hours ago, Js1 said:

It's really not.

This isn't some high-level conspiracy.  This is Stupidgate.  The Stupid Bunch.

I think John Oliver coined Stupid Watergate. It’s like watergate, but everyone involved is incredibly stupid 

[AUinHsv 566]

Considering that Watergate was not full of Mensa candidates that is saying a lot. The initial burglars got caught because they taped a door lock. Except they taped it with the tape going horizontal instead of on the edge.  And after the guard found it and removed the tape they replaced it and the guard found it again and called the cops.  Kinda obvious there.

[HenryJames 64901]

13 hours ago, Js1 said:

It's really not.

This isn't some high-level conspiracy.  This is Stupidgate.  The Stupid Bunch.

I always think back to a quote from All the President's Men: "Look, forget the myths the media's created about the White House -- the truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

3:15 mark.  Felix Sater confirms the juiciest part of the email.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

Democrats getting played

 

[The Royal We 3041]

Wtf? Is this at the request of the SCO?

[triplehorn 2664]

So wait, is the incredulity here about no one being whacked enough to compose an email with that content, or not whacked enough to actually be doing it ?  

Hard to believe anyone paying attention  can be shocked by what’s coming, but that’s where we’re headed, evidently.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

Edited February 6, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[retread 2951]

[kevwun 15192]

Hello Emoluments Clause.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

 

[hayden_horn 11311]

10 minutes ago, retread said:

[jimmyjazz 45055]

Typical 'sip.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

 

[woohorn 1130]

Hello Emoluments Clause.

Apparently not-

 

"And here are the parameters, just released by Schiff.

 

The five lines of inquiry:

 

—Russian influence

—collusion

—foreign “leverage” over Trump

—influence of U.S. policy based on foreign interests

—obstruction/perjury"

 

 

 

[kevwun 15192]

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influence of U.S. policy based on foreign interests

That one is very broad and could cover emoluments. 

[Fudge Nuggets 18825]

This doesn’t sound like things are wrapping up any time soon.  I know there was speculation that may be the case last week, but I think you can put that scenario to bed.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

I’ve come to the conclusion this will go on through the 2020 election. 

[4th&Five 41055]

then what's the fucking point?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

then what's the fucking point?

Dragging this shit out was the point... for the republicans 

They worked their ass off confusing the public, obstructing, and concealing as much as possible.

Edited February 6, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Atx71 146]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’ve come to the conclusion this will go on through the 2020 election. 

Patience. You are in too big of a hurry... afraid he'll slip out. He won't.  

[David Dennison 17660]

1 minute ago, Atx71 said:

Patience. You are in too big of a hurry... afraid he'll slip out. He won't.  

Yup. 

The Russia investigation is the least of Donald Trump's worries.

It's the crimes committed by the Trump Organization that should have everyone in that family shitting themselves.

[bad_teammate 13018]

4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

then what's the fucking point?

Trump losing in 2020 doesn't make the crimes not crimes anymore. 20 years down the road, having as much truth as possible available will be way more valuable than impeaching Trump in his 3rd or 4th year.

[4th&Five 41055]

I get that but if this dirty fuck is running without us knowing just how dirty he is then we're beyond fucked.  I'd rather him not be POTUS in 2020 and never go to jail than serve 4 more years and then be arrested on his oversized death bed.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

Trump confessed to obstruction on television and has continued to do it since.  

 

(Two years later: still investigating)

 

Mueller could have subpoenaed Trump over a year ago and didn’t.  He still hasn’t and probably won’t.    

[Atx71 146]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump confessed to obstruction on television and has continued to do it since.  

 

(Two years later: still investigating)

 

Mueller could have subpoenaed Trump over a year ago and didn’t.  He still hasn’t and probably won’t.    

They said Gotti would never fall. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

2 minutes ago, Atx71 said:

They said Gotti would never fall. 

Trump is fucked.  I’m all but certain of that. He can be indicted, just not while president perhaps. 

However, he’s not going anywhere for a while.