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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sourced or not, I don't believe that's real.  It has to be a fake planted in with docs as a decoy -- something done by a hacking team to discredit the release, etc.  That's not real, and we shouldn't buy that it is.

People have been saying Sater has been cooperating with the FBI for a while now, right?  It would seem like that would be the sort of thing that Felix would be corroborating as part of his cooperation, I'd think.  That said, that email is pretty ridiculous.

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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/trump-tower-moscow-the-secret-files-cohen-sater-putin?ref=bfnsplash

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As a candidate, Donald Trump had a lot of praise for Vladimir Putin — and no business, he kept insisting, in Russia. These documents tell a different story.

When Michael Cohen, the president’s former lawyer and longtime fixer, testifies before Congress this week, one topic that is likely to be front and center is his work on Trump Moscow, the over-the-top luxury real estate venture he helped spearhead leading up to the election.

The development, which was never built, has already become a focus for special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into potential collusion between Trump and Russia during the 2016 campaign. And when Cohen was convicted last November of lying to Congress, it was over his false testimony that the deal had fizzled in January 2016, well before Trump emerged as the Republican nominee.

BuzzFeed News is today publishing a cache of internal Trump Organization documents that lay bare the secret negotiations that continued long after Cohen claimed the deal had been abandoned. The documents, many of which have been exclusively obtained by BuzzFeed News, reveal that — despite Trump’s claim that the development was never more than a passing notion — the effort to get the tower built was long-running, detail-oriented, and directly entwined with the ups and downs of his campaign.

As Trump went from rally to rally, vociferously denying any dealings in Russia, his representatives, Michael Cohen and his associate Felix Sater, worked with Trump Organization lawyers and even Ivanka Trump to push forward negotiations to build a 100-story edifice just miles from the Kremlin. The fixers believed they needed Putin’s support to pull off the lucrative deal, and they planned to use Trump’s public praise for him to help secure it. At the same time, they plotted to persuade Putin to openly declare his support for Trump’s candidacy. “If he says it we own this election,” Sater wrote to Cohen.

The White House did not respond to a detailed request for comment on this story. The special counsel’s office declined to comment.

This large trove of nonbinding business agreements, architectural renderings, texts, emails, and plans for Trump to travel to Russia to meet Putin offer an unprecedented glimpse inside the negotiations to build the tallest tower in Europe — a deal Trump’s fixers hoped would "help world peace and make a lot of money."

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5719169-Trump-Moscow.html#document/p202

that email is in the buzzfeed news link. 

if buzzfeed news can be trusted, then you can read all the absurd details at that document cloud link.

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The reason people don't want to believe it's real is because it's hard to believe anyone could be so stupid as to electronically communicate such a thing.

We live in interesting times, though.  That email being real would barely crack the top 20 of my own personal WTF list.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

The reason people don't want to believe it's real is because it's hard to believe anyone could be so stupid as to electronically communicate such a thing.

We live in interesting times, though.  That email being real would barely crack the top 20 of my own personal WTF list.

 

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

The reason people don't want to believe it's real is because it's hard to believe anyone could be so stupid as to electronically communicate such a thing.

We live in interesting times, though.  That email being real would barely crack the top 20 of my own personal WTF list.

It's really not.

This isn't some high-level conspiracy.  This is Stupidgate.  The Stupid Bunch.

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10 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/trump-tower-moscow-the-secret-files-cohen-sater-putin?ref=bfnsplash

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5719169-Trump-Moscow.html#document/p202

that email is in the buzzfeed news link. 

if buzzfeed news can be trusted, then you can read all the absurd details at that document cloud link.

The last 80 pages are a hoot.  Sater was operating like he’s some double agent above the law.  

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I guess the exception that proves the rule is the likelihood that a much higher percentage of olds probably think email is more private that written communication.  You know, that letter could fall into the wrong hands.

I have a naive bias towards thinking Washington DC olds might not be that ignorant, but . . . well . . .

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I guess the exception that proves the rule is the likelihood that a much higher percentage of olds probably think email is more private that written communication.  You know, that letter could fall into the wrong hands.

I have a naive bias towards thinking Washington DC olds might not be that ignorant, but . . . well . . .

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Emails like that happen when people get involved in situations they are in no way prepared or qualified to be in.  Michael Cohen knows how to get porn stars to sign an NDA.  He doesn't know how to negotiate with the Russian government.

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43 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sourced or not, I don't believe that's real.  It has to be a fake planted in with docs as a decoy -- something done by a hacking team to discredit the release, etc.  That's not real, and we shouldn't buy that it is.

I'm surprised at you, brisket. You of all people have been banging the "we got turbofucked by a bunch of goons" drum for a while, and this is (admittedly unconfirmed) evidence of that fuckery. 

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9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I guess the exception that proves the rule is the likelihood that a much higher percentage of olds probably think email is more private that written communication.  You know, that letter could fall into the wrong hands.

I have a naive bias towards thinking Washington DC olds might not be that ignorant, but . . . well . . .

Right...DC Olds...

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6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

White collar criminals are some of the dumbest because they think no one will come looking and they will never get caught.

And they are often right, sadly.

This is exactly right.

They are the privileged and they don't believe they will ever get caught and if they do, they won't be punished.

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31 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I'm surprised at you, brisket. You of all people have been banging the "we got turbofucked by a bunch of goons" drum for a while, and this is (admittedly unconfirmed) evidence of that fuckery. 

I also look for and at evidence for a living.  I've found plenty of "holy shit, I can't believe they wrote that down" emails in my career.  Things that, before this, I would have characterized as an 8-9 on the "holy shit-o-meter."  Compared to the stuff in that link.....the hottest communications I've ever found just got bumped down to a 3-4 on the scale.  It's surreal and absurd.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I also look for and at evidence for a living.  I've found plenty of "holy shit, I can't believe they wrote that down" emails in my career.  Things that, before this, I would have characterized as an 8-9 on the "holy shit-o-meter."  Compared to the stuff in that link.....the hottest communications I've ever found just got bumped down to a 3-4 on the scale.  It's surreal and absurd.

We're not saying it's accurate, we're saying it's accurate that we received it from someone.[/buzzfeed]

 

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Considering that Watergate was not full of Mensa candidates that is saying a lot. The initial burglars got caught because they taped a door lock. Except they taped it with the tape going horizontal instead of on the edge.  And after the guard found it and removed the tape they replaced it and the guard found it again and called the cops.  Kinda obvious there.

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13 hours ago, Js1 said:

It's really not.

This isn't some high-level conspiracy.  This is Stupidgate.  The Stupid Bunch.

I always think back to a quote from All the President's Men: "Look, forget the myths the media's created about the White House -- the truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."

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So wait, is the incredulity here about no one being whacked enough to compose an email with that content, or not whacked enough to actually be doing it ?  

Hard to believe anyone paying attention  can be shocked by what’s coming, but that’s where we’re headed, evidently.

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Hello Emoluments Clause.

Apparently not-

 

"And here are the parameters, just released by Schiff.

 

The five lines of inquiry:

 

—Russian influence

—collusion

—foreign “leverage” over Trump

—influence of U.S. policy based on foreign interests

—obstruction/perjury"

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump confessed to obstruction on television and has continued to do it since.  

 

(Two years later: still investigating)

 

Mueller could have subpoenaed Trump over a year ago and didn’t.  He still hasn’t and probably won’t.    

They said Gotti would never fall. 

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