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35 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah, I just think that this is the wrong way to look at it. It's not the voters job to conform their position to what the Democrat policy makers want, and while I get the sentiment and reasoning behind "vote blue no matter who", it is supposed to be the Democrats job to give their voters a reason to vote for them. They aren't entitled to anything, they need to earn it and they don't seem interested in doing so.

Their idea of how to deal with their voter base is to just give up and lose when their voters don't align with them, and then point to the other side and say "SEE?!" rather than actually pretend to give a shit about their voters needs.

Then you're just as stupid as as democratic leadership. You can't do shit if you don't win and control the power in the branches. 

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6 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah, I just think that this is the wrong way to look at it. It's not the voters job to conform their position to what the Democrat policy makers want, and while I get the sentiment and reasoning behind "vote blue no matter who", it is supposed to be the Democrats job to give their voters a reason to vote for them. They aren't entitled to anything, they need to earn it and they don't seem interested in doing so.

Their idea of how to deal with their voter base is to just give up and lose when their voters don't align with them, and then point to the other side and say "SEE?!" rather than actually pretend to give a shit about their voters needs.

This is 100% truth. Preach!

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On 8/28/2025 at 8:49 AM, Horn Dog said:

This is the way…

https://apple.news/AZE_427yDRaOmP5b8_ZEO-Q
 

“To defeat the Texas gerrymander, Democrats need to go nuclear”

 

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At the insistence of President Donald Trump, Texas Republicans took the extraordinary step of advancing legislation to redraw district lines mid-cycle and trying to add five seats to the narrow GOP advantage in the U.S. House. In response, Democrats are finding a new boldness — Texas lawmakers are fleeing the state to deny a quorum, California Gov. Gavin Newsom is threatening a gerrymander of his own, and even some progressive groups supporting nonpartisan redistricting are reconsidering their stances.

Increasingly, Democrats understand that deterrence is not optional. It is the only alternative to collapse. But, if the debate around whether Democrats should play hardball is almost over, the debate about how is just beginning.

To that end, those looking to counter red state power grabs like Texas’s should look to another period of brinkmanship for inspiration: The Cold War.

During the decades-long nuclear standoff between the U.S. and Soviet Union, leaders on both sides relied on a state of mutually assured destruction to keep the two countries from stumbling into an apocalyptic war.

There are two strategic concepts from that era that apply well to Democrats today: counterforce and countervalue.

Counterforce posits that the best way to deter an opponent is to credibly threaten the use of one’s own nuclear capability to strike at the opponent’s nuclear forces. In the context of today’s redistricting wars, that means neutralizing the weapons Republicans are using — directly, surgically and proportionally — within the sandbox of redistricting, like we’re seeing from New York and California. They gerrymander their big red state; we gerrymander our big blue state.

It’s the cleaner option, keeping the battlefield limited to the same weapons — and targets — as the adversary. But it requires speed, coordination and a willingness by blue-state leaders to shed the “good government” constraints that now leave them unilaterally disarmed.

It’s good that Democratic leaders are trying to leverage counterforce deterrence on redistricting. But, if New York, California and other blue states want to deter red state aggression more comprehensively, they also need to consider the grislier logic of countervalue.

Rather than threatening to destroy an adversary’s military capabilities, a countervalue strategy in the context of actual nuclear war is focused on making credible threats against cities with tens of millions of civilians on the theory that those losses would be simply intolerable. While morally reprehensible, countervalue offered an efficient, credible and cost-effective deterrence strategy during the Cold War.

 

In our domestic context, it means using the full weight of blue states’ market power, cultural influence and legal authority to raise the stakes of Republican red state aggression. That means making it harder for corporations to operate in states that obliterate fair elections. It means using their economic might to impose regulatory and economic costs that bite hard enough to make the constituents of even the most insulated legislator feel the pain. In other words, it means countering red state aggression with potential actions that go beyond reciprocity and may impose disproportionate costs.

Red states have already designed their own weapons for the countervalue war plan. In their effort to uproot corporate “diversity, equity, and inclusion” and “environmental, social, and governance” practices, for example, Republicans leaders used a full gamut of state economic leverage to not only influence in-state company operations but also to put the squeeze on their practices everywhere. For instance, Texas blacklisted BlackRock, the massive New York-headquartered financial asset manager, for promoting ESG investing, pulling more than $8 billion in state funds out of the firm and rallying other red states to do the same. As a result, BlackRock publicly abandoned its ESG focus

As in nuclear war, countervalue responses by blue states to retaliate against red state aggression will ultimately hurt citizens in all states. But Cold War game theory tells us that the best way to avoid the mutual destruction of countervalue retaliation is to make your adversary believe in your determination to leverage it. Only then can you forge a lasting détente.

It may make voters in Illinois, California and New York very uncomfortable to consider economic warfare that could harm working class Texans — people they have no quarrel with. But their willingness to consider and credibly threaten such approaches may be the best, and perhaps only, way to preserve our national democracy for New Yorkers, Texans and all Americans.

 


Who is the author? It’s behind a paywall.

Posted
23 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

That's fine, but Cohen offered zero receipts, just his word.

His podcast is literally called no lie with Brian Tyler Cohen what more do you want

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The best thing about memes and content creation is you don’t have to pay for dumb fucking polling or focus groups. Just throw shit out there, what sticks sticks. What doesn’t is forgotten about in a day or two. It’s literally free to do and is more effective than all the other bullshit when it comes to average person and working class. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

His podcast is literally called no lie with Brian Tyler Cohen what more do you want

I like BTC for the most part, he seems like a good dude. I don't necessarily trust him that much.

Posted
1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I like BTC for the most part, he seems like a good dude. I don't necessarily trust him that much.

A podcast name like that is kind of like naming your country the Democratic Republic of the Congo

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2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:


Who is the author? It’s behind a paywall.

Opinion by Arkadi Gerney and Sarah Knight
 

(Arkadi Gerney and Sarah Knight are Democratic strategists.)



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