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5 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Private sales?  Big whoop.  What percentage of total gun transfers is that?

I bought my lever .308 Savage 99 that I hunt with from my BIL's 30 years ago after my FIL died, and to use your words "without ANYONE knowing about it" -- do you really want to make a big issue out of stuff like that? 

Yes.  I do (and I've both bought and sold firearms in private sales).  And I want to make a big deal out of a hundred other things.

You can't get past the fact that not only is every measure that could even slightly limit the ability of guns being handed out like party favors completely opposed and blocked by the GQP, IN FACT, they have been passing laws left and right making it FUCKING EASIER TO OBTAIN AND CARRY A FIREARM FUCKING EVERYWHERE.

No, there's nothing we could do to prevent all gun deaths.  But the current GQP strategy of "not only do nothing, but undo even the few things we've already done" has the exact opposite result.

Here's an easy one: it is easier for an 18 year old to get an AR-15 for the purpose of shooting up a school in Uvalde than it is for that same person to buy a fucking BEER.  That....is insanity.

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32 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

You're an idiot.

The only person less capable of holding an effective argument than fatty is this DalTx clown. And he's another one that thinks he's just so clever and smart. The worst kind of combination.

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And all gun purchases are legitimate, then?  Guns and drugs are moved around Texas and surrounding states using two methods.  Neither of which are criminals.  They use clean citizens and law enforcement.  this black market of just thugs and drug dealers buying guns from one another mythology is fascinating.  10-20% of legit product from gun manufacturers are immediately moved off the supply chain and put into the hands of a robust distribution network of law enforcement officials who safely transport them to far away states.  They are then turned over to "thug arms dealers" who can then move them locally for cash.  If there were people of color buying up dozens of assault rifles, we'd probably hear about it.  You cut out the middle man, manufacturers get the weapons as "overages" to LEOs who move the products under their own protection to points distant.  From there, it enters what appears to most Americans as the "drug/criminal" network.  It doesn't just land on a truck and then a gun dealer with some strawman buyer.  That happens, but not en masse.  

State police and large muni agencies.  We keep the nation up to its neck in guns and drugs.  It's not driven around by Juan in an old Odyssey van with "IN TOW" written on the back in soap.  Apparently that's kind of a give away.  The machine feeds itself.  Believe me.  

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Why the hell are y'all arguing over this still? Biden is trying to say we can only have two beers a week.

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#BREAKING: #APD is responding to a possible active shooter situation/bomb hotshot call at 10000 Research Blvd (The Arboretum). First units entering the scene reporting multiple people down with gunshot wounds. One victim with gunshot to the head. Shooter is reportedly down. Officers are requesting bomb squad assistance for possible devices located. AVOID THE AREA #ATX #NorthwestAustin #TravisCounty

 

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4 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Why the hell are y'all arguing over this still? Biden is trying to say we can only have two beers a week.

I'll be OK, as long as I live to 350!

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48 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Or the knives, the cars, the hammers, the rocks.  Stupid people, and criminals, do stupid shit.  Murder is and has been illegal for a very long time.

stupid people also make stupid posts. holy shit, batman.

i also read your subsequent posts. they do not get much better.

comparing a (legally bought, in most cases) ar-15 to a knife, a car, a hammer, a fucking rock is serious self-delusion zone. or flat out dishonest. i haven't figured which.

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54 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Or the knives, the cars, the hammers, the rocks.  Stupid people, and criminals, do stupid shit.  Murder is and has been illegal for a very long time.

You're right.  There is a real problem with mass stonings in this country.  

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37 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

"You shall not murder" could be a useful classroom instruction.

Penelope has such a pretty middle finger -- can anybody imagine what kind of person would object to "You shall not murder"?

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To be fair to global religions, a number of civilizations found homicide really uncool for millennia before the Ten Commandments.  They just didn't have government mandated posters to codify it for school shootings.  They also didn't have poster-tacky for said posters.  Shit took a really long time to invent, believe it or not. 

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2 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

To be fair to global religions, a number of civilizations found homicide really uncool for millennia before the Ten Commandments.  They just didn't have government mandated posters to codify it for school shootings.  They also didn't have poster-tacky for said posters.  Shit took a really long time to invent, believe it or not. 

As always -- a very concise explanation!

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26 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

this is according to atcems:

 

Cool.  Right around the corner from my house.

Know what would make us safer?  More, and more, and more, and more, and more, and more, and more firearms.  Yep.  That's the ticket to a healthy, functioning society: arm it to the teeth, fetishize guns, and for every problem, propose the solution of "guns!"  That's a can't-miss plan.

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On 8/27/2023 at 3:53 PM, Serak The Preparer said:

Surely this will be the time that a real breakthrough will be made vis-à-vis Fatty <-> Surly relations. 

Narrator: A real breakthrough was not made. I mean we surly-ites somehow delude themselves into thinking it might. But......it might work for DalTxHornFan

 

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18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Cool.  Right around the corner from my house.

Know what would make us safer?  More, and more, and more, and more, and more, and more, and more firearms.  Yep.  That's the ticket to a healthy, functioning society: arm it to the teeth, fetishize guns, and for every problem, propose the solution of "guns!"  That's a can't-miss plan.

Jesus + guns = Freedomland

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1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

You know better than this.  Legitimate gun purchases require background checks.  Criminals don't follow laws.

a lot of criminals weren't criminals until they broke the law.  i have no idea if you know better than this or not.

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quick, what is the racial demographic of the shooter and intent, if known?  i need to figure out if i'm mad or not.

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1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

no, in all shootings it's the guns.  it's not called gun violence because of knives or cars.

you ever notice how whenever there's a report about a mass shooting, the dems complain about the laws and the republicans sprint to the internet to see who the shooter is?

Incredibly simple but important point. We are talking about gun violence. Fuck off with all the other bullshit

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1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

OK, I'm sure the China scholar/murderer used some kind of "assault pistol" that would have been banned if the non-R's had been in charge.  

Let's take your premise at face value.  Is it your position that every law must be 100% effective to be worthy of passage?

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Let's take your premise at face value.  Is it your position that every law must be 100% effective to be worthy of passage?

Obviously not.  Murder has been adjudged as illegal for a long time.  Yet it still happens, notwithstanding the legal (and moral) constraints against it.

The non-murderers have a constitutional right to defend themselves from criminals (who assuredly will be armed regardless of what sort of law is invoked).

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54 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Narrator: A real breakthrough was not made. I mean we surly-ites somehow delude themselves into thinking it might. But......it might work for DalTxHornFan

 

 

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9 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

The non-murderers have a constitutional right to defend themselves from criminals (who assuredly will be armed regardless of what sort of law is invoked).

So then, it's purely coincidental that other countries don't have nearly as much gun violence as us, I suppose. Their murderers just opt not to use guns for purely personal reasons. That about the gist of it?

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13 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

The non-murderers have a constitutional right to defend themselves from criminals (who assuredly will be armed regardless of what sort of law is invoked).

Despite all the evidence to the contrary. OK.

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16 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Obviously not.  Murder has been adjudged as illegal for a long time.  Yet it still happens, notwithstanding the legal (and moral) constraints against it.

The non-murderers have a constitutional right to defend themselves from criminals (who assuredly will be armed regardless of what sort of law is invoked).

Remind me again what the Second Amendment says about crime.

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6 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

So then, it's purely coincidental that other countries don't have nearly as much gun violence as us, I suppose. Their murderers just opt not to use guns for purely personal reasons. That about the gist of it?

in other countries they use cars and rocks.  come on.

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On 8/30/2023 at 12:34 PM, fattyflattie said:

So now we are letting the grieving victims decide what’s best for public consumption?  This isn’t gory pics, it’s a document that could be used to learn more about the asshole that did it, and potentially why they did it.  I’m pretty sure one could glean some information from that.  OR, this particular asshole checks ALOT of the boxes that people don’t want to discuss.  Im sure that’s not it. 

And clearly no other mass shooting should be discussed until fattyflattie is satisfied with the coverage of the Nashville murders. It's so very reasonable and just the way the world should work.

BTW, I don't care if they find Nancy Pelosi is responsible. I don't have unlimited team loyalty nor does any non dead-ender GOP that I know. If somebody breaks the law and harms someone else, go ahead and investigate, indict, try, and punish.

My stance on mass killings and the solutions to this problem including stricter gun control and no AR-15s doesn't pend on some lunatic's ability to shout "both sides!"  I don't cling to any thread I can find to maintain an insanely disengaged worldview where things are simple and I must be and have always been in the right.

ETA Clearly I'm behind on the thread. The shooting in Austin is just another grim day in the gun culture of the greatest country in the world envied by all. 

 

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33 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Obviously not.  Murder has been adjudged as illegal for a long time.  Yet it still happens, notwithstanding the legal (and moral) constraints against it.

The non-murderers have a constitutional right to defend themselves from criminals (who assuredly will be armed regardless of what sort of law is invoked).

I wonder if, relative to the US, the UK and NZ have a bunch of people dying because criminals have illegal guns and the "non-murderers" don't.... Oh, they don't have this issue. Fancy that. Wonder why that is....

Shrug. More guns is the answer.

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2 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I'm pragmatic, not ideological. 

I don't see how anybody is going to be safer if my guns or your guns are somehow "controlled."

Criminals, by definition, are lawless.

How are you going to be less safe if you have access to regulated firearms?

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1 minute ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Criminals, by definition, are lawless.

Yet, most of their firearms are obtained legally. Odd. In your mind, how do you gather the 18 year old Uvalde shooter would have purchased his guns if it wasn't legal for him to do so? Lots of high schoolers with arms dealers on speed dial in your neck of the woods?

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All of you "mass neggers" on this topic (no racist) -- are definitely not advancing civil debate.  I enjoy civil discussion.  This is a complicated issue.

There are a lot of very smart people on this forum.  It would be great if we could engage a bit.

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2 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

All of you "mass neggers" on this topic (no racist) -- are definitely not advancing civil debate.  I enjoy civil discussion.  This is a complicated issue.

There are a lot of very smart people on this forum.  It would be great if we could engage a bit.

 

3 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Or the knives, the cars, the hammers, the rocks.  Stupid people, and criminals, do stupid shit.  Murder is and has been illegal for a very long time.

 

3 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Your response ignored your unsupported allegations that this is a Republican issue.

 

3 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

OK, I'm sure the China scholar/murderer used some kind of "assault pistol" that would have been banned if the non-R's had been in charge.  

 

1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Obviously not.  Murder has been adjudged as illegal for a long time.  Yet it still happens, notwithstanding the legal (and moral) constraints against it.

The non-murderers have a constitutional right to defend themselves from criminals (who assuredly will be armed regardless of what sort of law is invoked).

Why would anyone engage with you? You’re are trolling at worst or disingenuous at best. You have shown you would rather have people needlessly die than have an actual discussion. Maybe try suggesting something to stop the problem. We are the only first world country that has this issue. Coincidence? Nah. 

/we’ve tried nothing and we are all out of ideas!

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1 minute ago, DalTxHornFan said:

So, just to be clear, you are asking me to give up my constitutional rights?

Yeah, you really want to discuss this civilly. Neg this troll and move on.

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Just now, UnivTex34 said:

Yeah, you really want to discuss this civilly. Neg this troll and move on.

Thanks.  I believe that the stats you guys all cite are heavily influenced by gangbanger-type stuff.  Look at big city shooting violence.  They are criminals and DGAF about laws.

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Just now, DalTxHornFan said:

Thanks.  I believe that the stats you guys all cite are heavily influenced by gangbanger-type stuff.  Look at big city shooting violence.  They are criminals and DGAF about laws.

But Chicago!

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Thanks.  I believe that the stats you guys all cite are heavily influenced by gangbanger-type stuff.  Look at big city shooting violence.  They are criminals and DGAF about laws.

Take out gun homicides committed in connection with another crime (drug deals etc.).
We still have a homicide rate that eclipses other first-world countries.
The guns are the difference. It’s not hard to figure out.
“The U.S. gun death rate was 10.6 per 100,000 people in 2016, the most recent year in the study, which used a somewhat different methodology from the CDC. That was far higher than in countries such as Canada (2.1 per 100,000) and Australia (1.0), as well as European nations such as France (2.7), Germany (0.9) and Spain (0.6).”
Every one of those countries has crime, gangs, etc. What they DON’T have is freely available firearms to every person with a pulse.
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10 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

So, just to be clear, you are asking me to give up my constitutional rights?

I’m asking you to give up your constitutional rights. It would lead to fewer people dying. What is so important about your toy?

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1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Obviously not.  Murder has been adjudged as illegal for a long time.  Yet it still happens, notwithstanding the legal (and moral) constraints against it.

The non-murderers have a constitutional right to defend themselves from criminals (who assuredly will be armed regardless of what sort of law is invoked).

 

1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I'm pragmatic, not ideological. 

I don't see how anybody is going to be safer if my guns or your guns are somehow "controlled."

Criminals, by definition, are lawless.

You are breathtakingly obtuse.  TexAgs is more your speed.  Do us all a favor and post there.

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I’m asking you to give up your constitutional rights. It would lead to fewer people dying. What is so important about your toy?

And this.  Why do you need a gun?  Why?  

I'll save you the time.  YOU DON'T.

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2 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Can you refute?  There is lawlessness and gun violence going on in big cities that is being laid off on lawful gun owners like me.

 

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Take out gun homicides committed in connection with another crime (drug deals etc.).
We still have a homicide rate that eclipses other first-world countries.
The guns are the difference. It’s not hard to figure out.

This

 

I’m also a gun owner. It’s why I’m begging for changes, ANYTHING, to slow down the needless deaths. But if I have to choose some toys, or another person dying, it’s an easy fucking decision. Quit jerking off in front of your gun cabinet and start actually having a discussion about COMMON FUCKING SNESE SOLUTIONS to stem the tide.

 

Or keep trolling. I think we all know what your answer is.

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Gangs are everywhere on Earth. Violent crime happens everywhere. Criminals are everywhere. Mental illness exists in every corner on this planet. We are not a special case for ANY of those.

We are absolutely a special case when it comes to firearm access, especially amongst our peers. We are also a special case, as @Brisketexan pointed out, in murder rate.

So why do we continue down this path knowing there is a solution out there that has a far greater chance of success than the shit we're doing now?

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