I want to tell you all the story about The Freshman

[Sawbonz 27297]

8 hours ago, Porterhouse said:

Moon didn’t perform like a first ballot guy (which is why I listed him), and though good for his era, never won anything of substance. And Moon isn’t in the same breath as Brady, Peyton, Brees or Rodgers. 

Moon was better than good for any era. And he had to spend his first 5 years in the CFL because of his skin color

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

8 hours ago, C-Man said:

Stafford is in the HOF after tonight. Period. LOL at anybody thinking otherwise.

It's pretty wild that Highland Park's Class of 2006 is going to have two HOF'ers in it in two different sports.

Reminds me of Bay City HS in the 80s. Not in the same grade, but in one 4A small-town school at one time you had the nation's number one football recruit (Hart Lee Dykes), basketball recruit (LaBradford Smith), and kind lost in the shuffle, a future Olympic gold medal sprinter in Joe DeLoach. He was the only one who did not kind of disappoint.

7 hours ago, Hozz said:

Matt Ryan has objectively better stats than Stafford.  Is he getting into the Hall?  No, he isn't.

If the Falcons held that lead against Brady he'd be in.

[BurntOrange&White 39268]

10 hours ago, naija said:

His candidacy will be a hot debate.

 

10 hours ago, Porterhouse said:

No, it won’t. He’s first ballot. 

 

10 hours ago, JOSEYWALES66 said:

Canton?  Little early to talk about Canton at this point. 

He's only 34 and has a very very strong arm. As long as he stays healthy I think he could chalk out a good rest of his career in LA.

 

 

12th in all time passing yards, add this super bowl and the drive he orchestrated to take the lead. He likely ends up top 5 on that list along with Rodgers. I'm not sure how much Matt Ryan has left in him either. 

 

He for sure ends up top 10 in passing touchdowns.

 

I find the amount of times sacked to be interesting considering the length of his career so far

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by BurntOrange&White

[Pato del Muerto 52233]

Hat tip to Tarkington who played in the 60s and 70s and is still on the yardage and td list in the company of all these qbs from the last 30 years when passing became more prominent. Only been passed by 13 (and 10 for tds) of them so far. 

Edited February 14, 2022 by Pato del Muerto

[Longboard Horn 40006]

11 hours ago, someguy said:

wait, do people actually think Stafford is a hall of famer?

In Highland Park they do 

[Captain Ron 12770]

11 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

50,000 passing yards, 300 touchdown passes, and now Super Bowl champ?  Which qbs have those 3 and aren’t in the hall?

Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, and Aaron Rodgers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... yet.

[Captain Ron 12770]

And Stafford is a few yards short of 50K

 

That all said, all HOFers.

Edited February 14, 2022 by Captain Ron

[markstanco 12464]

11 hours ago, Had Enough said:

 

McVay does some nice things. 

 

I completely agree.

[DaggerHorns 3046]

OP was a kicker….nerd.

[ClubWhatever 12082]

Fuck that traitor

[hpslugga 4026]

3 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

OP was a kicker….nerd.

 

[Don Johnson 4744]

Someone rationalize Jim Kelly being a 1st ballot guy but Matthew Stafford not.

[BurntOrange&White 39268]

4 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Someone rationalize Jim Kelly being a 1st ballot guy but Matthew Stafford not.

someone likely dislikes highland park, obviously.

[futureman 22382]

4 hours ago, Underdog said:

Tuck Rule.  Spygate.  Deflategate.  There’ll be discussion believe that.  

nope. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10098]

1 hour ago, Captain Ron said:

Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, and Aaron Rodgers

... yet.

Thinking about the teams/franchises they played for vs Staffords 12yrs with the Lions "organization"...

[Pig Bellmont 8664]

OP simply bragging he played football with Stafford. Cool

[The Dog 43716]

Stafford is one of those who will be hotly debated. Heck, he wasn't even the best QB on the field last night. He had much more time to throw than Burrow and still was airmailing throws all over the place before that last drive. 

His passing yards numbers are the arguments in his favor - fastest player to 20, 30, 40, and 45,000 yards.  Likely the fastest to 50,000 yards after next year. 

Arguments against - zero all pro teams and only one pro bowl. The only way he gets in is if he's graded on a curve for being a part of some terrible Lions teams.

He also is hampered by the fact that he played during a time where there are a LOT of QBs more deserving (and were better). 

Unfortunately I think he belongs in the "Hall of Very Good" rather than the HOF. 

[hpslugga 4026]

33 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Someone rationalize Jim Kelly being a 1st ballot guy but Matthew Stafford not.

Because:

1. Stuff
2. Things
3. 

14 minutes ago, futureman said:

nope. 

Seriously, 2 of those 3 things were well beyond any of his control, 1 being a completely contrived “controversy,” and the other that sort of involved him was also a contrived controversy.

Tuck rule? Shit that was a rule of the game that even I knew the very second the play happened. 

[Pato del Muerto 52233]

Kelly’s health problems may have helped him get in as early as possible. The other argument would be consistent team success. 4 consecutive conference championships plus good years around that (having guys like reed and Thomas on offense and smith and Talley on defense tends to help with the team w/l metrics).  

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Moon was better than good for any era. And he had to spend his first 5 years in the CFL because of his skin color

Um, no. He was mediocre for this era. Threw too many picks. Never had more than 33 TDs. Never had a rating above 96.8. Had only two seasons over 90. Career rating of 80.9. Those are very average numbers. Slightly worse than Aikman’s. Markedly worse than Kelly’s. None are deserving of being first ballot guys. 

[Pato del Muerto 52233]

1 minute ago, Porterhouse said:

Um, no. He was mediocre for this era. Threw too many picks. Never had more than 33 TDs. Never had a rating above 96.8. Had only two seasons over 90. Career rating of 80.9. Those are very average numbers. Slightly worse than Aikman’s. Markedly worse than Kelly’s. None are deserving of being first ballot guys. 

Seems to me that the disconnect is that you are applying the porterhouse criteria to these guys rather than the actual voter criteria.  

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Longboard Horn said:

In Highland Park they do 

Everywhere they do. I’ve never seen such derision around a Texas high school, and for that matter, his college alma mater. It’s unique to this surly brand of asshole. 

[Underdog 28391]

21 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Because:

1. Stuff
2. Things
3. 

Seriously, 2 of those 3 things were well beyond any of his control, 1 being a completely contrived “controversy,” and the other that sort of involved him was also a contrived controversy.

Tuck rule? Shit that was a rule of the game that even I knew the very second the play happened. 

FTR,  I wasn’t being serious.  They should do away with the 5yr waiting period for him. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Seems to me that the disconnect is that you are applying the porterhouse criteria to these guys rather than the actual voter criteria.  

Well yeah; I’m not a voter. I’m applying common sense. All of those guys had weaker resumes, regardless of criteria (which has evolved over time). All are first ballot guys. The only guy discussed that may not be a first ballot guy is Rivers, and Stafford depending on how he finishes his career. Ben and Eli are very likely 1st ballot guys. Stafford should end up with far superior stats to all of them with the possible exception of 1 SB to Ben/Eli’s 2. Rivers already is mostly superior statistically. 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Underdog said:

Tuck Rule.  Spygate.  Deflategate.  There’ll be discussion believe that.  
 

Also, Stafford 1-0 over Brady in PO, on the road, therefore, Stafford >>> Brady. 

Lulz. Cute, you actually believe this. 

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Stafford is one of those who will be hotly debated. Heck, he wasn't even the best QB on the field last night. He had much more time to throw than Burrow and still was airmailing throws all over the place before that last drive. 

His passing yards numbers are the arguments in his favor - fastest player to 20, 30, 40, and 45,000 yards.  Likely the fastest to 50,000 yards after next year. 

Arguments against - zero all pro teams and only one pro bowl. The only way he gets in is if he's graded on a curve for being a part of some terrible Lions teams.

He also is hampered by the fact that he played during a time where there are a LOT of QBs more deserving (and were better). 

Unfortunately I think he belongs in the "Hall of Very Good" rather than the HOF. 

Fantasy land. 

[irishtexan 11435]

10 minutes ago, Porterhouse said:

Everywhere they do. I’ve never seen such derision around a Texas high school, and for that matter, his college alma mater. It’s unique to this surly brand of asshole. 

It's tough going to Highland Park. So much working against you in life with all the derision graduates face... 

[hpslugga 4026]

1 minute ago, irishtexan said:

It's tough going to Highland Park. So much working against you in life with all the derision graduates face... 

sorry, is anyone asking y’all to throw benefits for us?

[Guest]

Just now, irishtexan said:

It's tough going to Highland Park. So much working against you in life with all the derision graduates face... 

I wouldn’t know exactly but have an idea. Went to Westlake with a few other pro athletes including Brees. We got the same shit that my kids’ teams get now (we are in HP). 

I’m not bitching about the derision.  It’s not surprising, but the human inferiority complex never ceases to amuse me. 

[Errestaurants 2570]

Fuck OPs Stafford high school fanboy story. I want hear stories about Highland Park MILFS

[BurntOrange&White 39268]

2 minutes ago, Errestaurants said:

Fuck OPs Stafford high school fanboy story. I want hear stories about Highland Park MILFS

Yessir....I would ask how the talent at the local HEB is in that department but Dallas

 

Circle C HEB is goated.

[Pig Bellmont 8664]

4 minutes ago, Errestaurants said:

Fuck OPs Stafford high school fanboy story. I want hear stories about Highland Park MILFS

Is it really a fanboy story? “We were up 100 and Stafford came in and never threw a pass” isn’t quite bragging about *Stafford*

Edited February 14, 2022 by Pig Bellmont

[DougO 5238]

I'm happy for Stafford getting his Superbowl win. He's a good Texas kid. But lets not get carried away in the moment. He's gonna have to have a serious continuing run of major success in the next year or two to be "first balloty" or even "definitely in someday." 

 

[Jive Turkey 12546]

i appreciate Stafford's collection of massive stats, but good lord, his HOF candidacy can't be based solely on racking up meaningless yards in a pass happy era.  his Lions teams sucked and were behind a lot, so he was throwing a ton.  lots of yards.  big whoop.

at no time did anybody ever think, man, Matthew Stafford is a top 5 QB of this generation.  the best way to look at him getting into the HOF is by looking at WRs who racked up massive yards in pass happy offenses but were always a tier below the best.  it took them a while.  guys like James Lofton, Cris Carter, and Andre Reed.  took each of them over 10+ years to get in.

Stafford will probably get in, but it's not a slam dunk if this is his only ring.  and unless he runs off a couple more, zero chance he's a first ballot guy.

 

[futureman 22382]

if a few things fall right he’ll comfortably hit 75,000 yards. and he’ll have at least one super bowl, maybe more.

first ballot. 

[ImissWallyPryor 9044]

I didn’t know he was from Hyde Park!

[Errestaurants 2570]

5 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

i appreciate Stafford's collection of massive stats, but good lord, his HOF candidacy can't be based solely on racking up meaningless yards in a pass happy era.  his Lions teams sucked and were behind a lot, so he was throwing a ton.  lots of yards.  big whoop.

at no time did anybody ever think, man, Matthew Stafford is a top 5 QB of this generation.  the best way to look at him getting into the HOF is by looking at WRs who racked up massive yards in pass happy offenses but were always a tier below the best.  it took them a while.  guys like James Lofton, Cris Carter, and Andre Reed.  took each of them over 10+ years to get in.

Stafford will probably get in, but it's not a slam dunk if this is his only ring.  and unless he runs off a couple more, zero chance he's a first ballot guy.

 

Stafford also had one of best WRs of this generation and arguably the greatest physically gifted at that position in Megatron 

[futureman 22382]

Just now, Errestaurants said:

arguably the greatest physically gifted at that position in Megatron

how are you unaware of ricky proehl?

[BurntOrange&White 39268]

4 minutes ago, Errestaurants said:

Stafford also had one of best WRs of this generation and arguably the greatest physically gifted at that position in Megatron 

So Stafford had really great guy over the course of his entire career until he gets to LA where he has multiple players that are good at various positions and he performs better as a team?

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Errestaurants said:

Fuck OPs Stafford high school fanboy story. I want hear stories about Highland Park MILFS

 

14 hours ago, someguy said:

wait, do people actually think Stafford is a hall of famer?

 

34 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yessir....I would ask how the talent at the local HEB is in that department but Dallas

 

Circle C HEB is goated.

I need to repost my two from Beeper’s contributions to Getting Laid ‘21. Stand by. 

[hpslugga 4026]

36 minutes ago, DougO said:

I'm happy for Stafford getting his Superbowl win. He's a good Texas kid. But lets not get carried away in the moment. He's gonna have to have a serious continuing run of major success in the next year or two to be "first balloty" or even "definitely in someday." 

 

Has nothing to do with “the moment.” I’ve been saying that his ticket to Canton is a ring away from being punched for a few years now. He punched it. It’s really that simple.

Edited February 14, 2022 by hpslugga

[RomaVicta 29704]

Thanks for the story, Slugga. I'm so disconnected from the NFL, that I  didn't know anything about the guy. I watched the game towards the end of each half. Good stuff. 

HOF arguments, on the other hand, are about the most boring sports conversation I can imagine. 

[Had Enough 2033]

Heck, he wasn't even the best QB on the field last night. He had much more time to throw than Burrow and still was airmailing throws all over the place before that last drive.

The first sentence is flat wrong. Then Cincy started with good pressure. Rams pass rush in the first half was mediocre.

Burrow takes some sacks he shouldn’t. But the rush was largely effectively but really only in the 2nd half. Burrows first 3 completions to Chase were not good throws. The throw to Tee for the TD was not a good throw. The first 3rd down throw to Chase, even if the LB wasn’t there, was a poor throw. And Higgins was WIDE open.

Stafford had an inexperienced TE who then went out. Odell went out. The Rams had an ineffective run game that they kept pushing and pushing. Pass blocking was not great. Staffords first pick? 3rd and long, chased out of the pocket. Pick, who cares. It was worth a shot. 2nd pick of the WRs hand. A backup, hardly used WR at that.

Stafford was better and not really close.

[lilMAC25 3776]

6 hours ago, Underdog said:

Tuck Rule.  Spygate.  Deflategate.  There’ll be discussion believe that.  
 

Also, Stafford 1-0 over Brady in PO, on the road, therefore, Stafford >>> Brady. 

There won’t be. Has any other QB led his team to 10 SB appearances? 7 Titles? He’s the unquestioned GOAT.

[Chooky 13292]

2 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

There won’t be. Has any other QB led his team to 10 SB appearances? 7 Titles? He’s the unquestioned GOAT.

You're going out on a huge limb here, but I admire the risk you're taking. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

5 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

If Tony Boselli is a HOFer then Matthew Stafford is 100% a HOFer.

Boselli was on an all decade team and a 3x all pro with 5 pro bowls in his 7 years.  He was considered the best LT of his time.

Vince Young has more pro bowls than Stafford.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Boselli was on an all decade team and a 3x all pro with 5 pro bowls in his 7 years.  He was considered the best LT of his time.

Vince Young has more pro bowls than Stafford.

Okay. So is Stafford a first ballot guy or merely a guy who gets in?

[TexArcher 37414]

13 hours ago, Hozz said:

Put down the crack pipe. No way in hell Stafford gets into the Hall with just one Super Bowl win.  He's like a .500 QB.

Joe Namath and Sonny Jurgensen were under .500 for their careers.

[markstanco 12464]

Eli Manning will get in and he sucks.  The Giants won in spite of him, not because of him. 

[Pato del Muerto 52233]

1 hour ago, Errestaurants said:

Stafford also had one of best WRs of this generation and arguably the greatest physically gifted at that position in Megatron 

Eh was megatron really good or was he a product of a pass happy era and a team that threw the ball a lot because they were always losing?