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I don't know shit about shit, but feel like the voucher thing could be the final straw that swings the state blue.

Spare me the "It's about time" sermons.  This is just pure bullshit though.  If we as a society decide to just leave them behind, then why fund any of it?  We (some) don't care about the betterment of our youth any more.  We(some) are just here to get ours... and "Fuck those brown people." 

It makes me ragey.

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2 minutes ago, slorch said:

I don't know shit about shit, but feel like the voucher thing could be the final straw that swings the state blue.

Spare me the "It's about time" sermons.  This is just pure bullshit though.  If we as a society decide to just leave them behind, then why fund any of it?  We (some) don't care about the betterment of our youth any more.  We(some) are just here to get ours... and "Fuck those brown people." 

It makes me ragey.

I disagree.  This state is Forever Red.  There's not one goddamned thing that will change that. 

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22 minutes ago, slorch said:

I don't know shit about shit, but feel like the voucher thing could be the final straw that swings the state blue.

Spare me the "It's about time" sermons.  This is just pure bullshit though.  If we as a society decide to just leave them behind, then why fund any of it?  We (some) don't care about the betterment of our youth any more.  We(some) are just here to get ours... and "Fuck those brown people." 

It makes me ragey.

 

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26 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I disagree.  This state is Forever Red. 

I agree. The dilution of quality education as a whole does not favor democratic ideas and when combined with a shrinking 'white' population (the population that benefits in greater number from a voucher system) IMO it leads to a gerrymandered apartheid that favors the GOP. When combined with the opportunity to grift tax dollars and the varying ways to circumvent accountability, it's going to get a lot worse.

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33 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I disagree.  This state is Forever Red.  There's not one goddamned thing that will change that. 

Abbott and Co. wouldn’t be trying to take over Harris County elections if they believed this.

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1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I disagree.  This state is Forever Red.  There's not one goddamned thing that will change that. 

Rural communities hate the idea of school vouchers. If there is one issue that Dems could use to break through and gain voters in those communities, this is it. And it aligns perfectly with universal Democratic values, so it's really the perfect issue to campaign on. Given how competent the Texas Democratic party is, I'm sure they'll figure this out.

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8 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Rural communities hate the idea of voucher schools. If there is one issue that Dems could use to break through and gain voters in those communities, this is it. And it aligns perfectly with universal Democratic values, so it's really the perfect issue to campaign on. Given how competent the Texas Democratic party is, I'm sure they'll figure this out.

As long as there is a border with Browns on the other side to demonize and the Muh Guns crowd votes, I don't see it happening.  Guns and racism are exponentially more important to them than education. 

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Just now, DigglerontheHoof said:

As long as there is a border with Browns on the other side to demonize and the Muh Guns crowd votes, I don't see it happening.  Guns and racism are exponentially more important to them than education. 

This.  They could agree on EVERY SINGLE substantive policy point.....but then they'll vomit out the same old "but....I can't vote for communistgungrabbersDEIcriticalracetheory!  So I gotta vote Republican!"

Policies don't matter.  Facts don't matter.  Issues don't matter.  It's 100% tribal at this point.  Rural Texas has chosen its tribe, and they will not betray it.  The price for betrayal is too high -- shunning, anger, even violence.

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10 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

As long as there is a border with Browns on the other side to demonize and the Muh Guns crowd votes, I don't see it happening.  Guns and racism are exponentially more important to them than education. 

In a small town, the school IS the community.  It is everything.  When the schools die, the town does too.  Also, once you get west of a line roughly following 281 north to south, whites are not the majority race in many, many communities.

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Just now, slorch said:

In a small town, the school IS the community.  It is everything.  When the schools die, the town does too.

You must have missed the part about GQP voters consistently, with little to no deviation, voting against their plain and obvious interests.  These are people who would vote for the party that promises to burn their town to the ground in order to deny housing to one dirty immigrant, and cheer while it happens.

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Just now, slorch said:

In a small town, the school IS the community.  It is everything.  When the schools die, the town does too.

I believe this to be accurate, but I still think when they walk into a voting booth, and their choice is to vote for someone w/ a D next to their name vs. someone w/ an R next to their name, the rurals will absolutely continue to choose R. 

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3 minutes ago, slorch said:

In a small town, the school IS the community.  It is everything.  When the schools die, the town does too.

Most Republicans I know would burn their own house to the ground if it also meant harm for someone they view as an "other."

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9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  They could agree on EVERY SINGLE substantive policy point.....but then they'll vomit out the same old "but....I can't vote for communistgungrabbersDEIcriticalracetheory!  So I gotta vote Republican!"

Policies don't matter.  Facts don't matter.  Issues don't matter.  It's 100% tribal at this point.  Rural Texas has chosen its tribe, and they will not betray it.  The price for betrayal is too high -- shunning, anger, even violence.

We had the perfect test case.  We literally murdered their children and Uvalde supported the GOP in record numbers.  How much worse can it possibly get before they vote DEM?  

 

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46 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Abbott & Co. must own or have stakes in large, profitable private schools or the private schooling industry somehow. That's the only explanation upon re-reading my last post. It must be self-serving grift.

Greg received a $6 million check from a voucher guy, and Greg even boasted about the donation.

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20 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

As long as there is a border with Browns on the other side to demonize and the Muh Guns crowd votes, I don't see it happening.  Guns and racism are exponentially more important to them than education. 

 

13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  They could agree on EVERY SINGLE substantive policy point.....but then they'll vomit out the same old "but....I can't vote for communistgungrabbersDEIcriticalracetheory!  So I gotta vote Republican!"

Policies don't matter.  Facts don't matter.  Issues don't matter.  It's 100% tribal at this point.  Rural Texas has chosen its tribe, and they will not betray it.  The price for betrayal is too high -- shunning, anger, even violence.

In Oklahoma, the rural legislators who dominate the vote on stupid shit like guns and profiling actually refused to approve Gov. Stitt's proposed voucher plan because of the obvious, they don't have private schools and there would be no benefit to their constituents.  They did pass a tax credit that is basically a voucher, but it's not direct funding from the education budget, so city folk are "better off" while the rural folks in theory aren't harmed. Of course, many have already pointed out that private schools raised their tuition immediately, so it's money that would otherwise to into the tax coffers going directly to private schools. It's still completely illogical. There might be a dozen people in the state that would choose private school because of the tax credit, and even they will figure out quickly the raise in tuition offsets the way they thought it might work out for them.

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38 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I believe this to be accurate, but I still think when they walk into a voting booth, and their choice is to vote for someone w/ a D next to their name vs. someone w/ an R next to their name, the rurals will absolutely continue to choose R. 

Yup, @slorch is right about small towns being centered on these schools. If/when the voucher system is passed then you'll see rural schools with less money but they'll still have football so what will it matter if they have to use outdated textbooks or the schools cycle through terrible teachers because they pay $40,000/year?

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Curious if abbott and yass just figure out it’s easier to buy those voucher votes or, people get a nice sized check for ‘home schooling’ their kids 

texas gop has already ran off small town hospitals, public schools are next 

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Good luck hoping the rurals will see this for what it is. Wall St spent 20 years moving every blue collar job overseas, dismantling unions, and slashing regulations. Then the Wall St. fat cats took to the podium and blamed it all on Democratic Globalists and told the working class that they're the only people looking out for them. And they bought it.

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20 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Yup, @slorch is right about small towns being centered on these schools. If/when the voucher system is passed then you'll see rural schools with less money but they'll still have football so what will it matter if they have to use outdated textbooks or the schools cycle through terrible teachers because they pay $40,000/year?

I guarantee you that the proposal will be to take even more money via Robin Hood and send to the rural districts.  Keep those voters happy and fuck the cities.

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1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

Abbott & Co. must own or have stakes in large, profitable private schools or the private schooling industry somehow. That's the only explanation upon re-reading my last post. It must be self-serving grift.

Billionaires have stakes in them Abbott is just a pawn for their agenda.

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It is very obvious how broken the public school system is, how underfunded the SPED programs are, and how the TEA is purposely fucking over HISD, the teachers, students, and anyone who sees education as something beyond a daycare.   The quality of some my my son's middle school teachers is appalling.   That they hire people with no education background is harmful to the students.  

My son has an Art class where most of the kids play computer games and watch youtube.  The teacher claims the access to computers in Art is for their benefit.  If they can just watch youtube to learn now to draw then why the fuck does she have a job?  Just sluff this off on a PE teacher?  

 

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5 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


billionaires want to pay zero taxes  

And have uneducated wage slaves to be worker bees for them.  Have to have an uneducated working class that will take their assfucking not just peacefully, but cheering and voting for more of it.

Poor rural whites think their fucking comes from powerless brown people who are happy to show up and do shit jobs that poor rural whites were NEVER willing to do (working all day for pennies at the chicken processing plant used to be for "the colored folks."  Now, it's for the dirty beaners).  They have a massive blind spot for where the ACTUAL fucking is coming from....and they actively support and gleefully vote for the primary champions of the "fuck these poor people" agenda.  Because the GQP distracts them by blaming brown people for all of their woes.

It's fucking suicide, with a smile.  Expecting that to change is folly.

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1 hour ago, miguelito said:

Greg received a $6 million check from a voucher guy, and Greg even boasted about the donation.

How long until he tries to call another special session? Or does he instead go after his opponents in the legislature rather than risk being humiliated again?

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23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And have uneducated wage slaves to be worker bees for them.  Have to have an uneducated working class that will take their assfucking not just peacefully, but cheering and voting for more of it.

Poor rural whites think their fucking comes from powerless brown people who are happy to show up and do shit jobs that poor rural whites were NEVER willing to do (working all day for pennies at the chicken processing plant used to be for "the colored folks."  Now, it's for the dirty beaners).  They have a massive blind spot for where the ACTUAL fucking is coming from....and they actively support and gleefully vote for the primary champions of the "fuck these poor people" agenda.  Because the GQP distracts them by blaming brown people for all of their woes.

It's fucking suicide, with a smile.  Expecting that to change is folly.

A picture worth a thousand words - too bad the Babylon Bee crowd just doesn't get it ...

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25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And have uneducated wage slaves to be worker bees for them.  Have to have an uneducated working class that will take their assfucking not just peacefully, but cheering and voting for more of it.

Poor rural whites think their fucking comes from powerless brown people who are happy to show up and do shit jobs that poor rural whites were NEVER willing to do (working all day for pennies at the chicken processing plant used to be for "the colored folks."  Now, it's for the dirty beaners).  They have a massive blind spot for where the ACTUAL fucking is coming from....and they actively support and gleefully vote for the primary champions of the "fuck these poor people" agenda.  Because the GQP distracts them by blaming brown people for all of their woes.

It's fucking suicide, with a smile.  Expecting that to change is folly.

Additionally, the grift continues with the prison pipeline because funneling any excess population into private incarceration reaps yet more dollars. Removing mobility of the lower classes of all demographics, women of all demographics, and anyone who is not connected enough politically to acquire more of increasingly scarce resources (land, careers, healthcare, food, opportunities, etc) increases the competitive gap (no upstart immigrant or poor person to become the next Carnegie or Musk). It also increases the desperation of the populace at large. Having a scapegoat is a useful political tool, but even a tool can harm those who abuse it. The oppressors become the oppressed. And the pale blue dot keeps on turning.

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4 hours ago, slorch said:

I don't know shit about shit, but feel like the voucher thing could be the final straw that swings the state blue.

Spare me the "It's about time" sermons.  This is just pure bullshit though.  If we as a society decide to just leave them behind, then why fund any of it?  We (some) don't care about the betterment of our youth any more.  We(some) are just here to get ours... and "Fuck those brown people." 

It makes me ragey.

Oh no. Some Antifa globalists hacked slorch’s account and are posting woke talking points!

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58 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


billionaires want to pay zero taxes  

But control everything.   I posted about Yass in the Abbott thread and I've always wondered the marginal pleasure gained from making money after you've made your first billion.  But then I look at Soros v. Yass and think financial titans who duke it out like gods on Olympus fighting over helping humankind or using them for entertainment purpose.  Much as in the brothers in Trading Places.   

Soros is demonized, but why isn't Yass?  I think of the Pace picante sauce commercials from decades back "New York City?!?!"  How dare Yankees pretend to know anything about hot sauce?   But Abbott can take $$ from some guy in Penn, because he knows what's best for Texas schoolchildren?    

But then we live in a time when the Texas Roadhouse originated in Indiana.  

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

You must have missed the part about GQP voters consistently, with little to no deviation, voting against their plain and obvious interests.  These are people who would vote for the party that promises to burn their town to the ground in order to deny housing to one dirty immigrant, and cheer while it happens.

You mean economic or educational interests.  They don’t value these remotely as high as their psychological/emotional interests.

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17 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

You mean economic or educational interests.  They don’t value these remotely as high as their psychological/emotional interests.

Correct.  And those psychological/emotional interests are fake interests - they have no bearing on the actual quality of their actual lives.  It's not even bread and circuses.  It's just circuses.

CARAVAN!  DEI!  WOKE!  COMMUNIST ANTIFA!  Not a single one of those issues negatively effects Cletus H. Dipshit in Possum Piss, Texas.  But Cletus will continue to vote for the party that will fuck over his kids' school, leave his state roads a mess so that he busts a rim on his new heavily financed F-250, which he has to drive for 20 miles each way to reach a decent store because the regional Wal-Mart drove out all the small stores, all while he bitches about it over internet infrastructure that the Dems helped get installed in the Greater Possum Piss area and blames it all on OBAMA AND BIDEN AND SOROS!

We should build a fucking wall around Possum Piss and leave those people to rot in the bucket of shit that they've chosen.

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Well reasoned, but I doubt these issues are “fake”.  They are as real as our commitment to all things UT football.  We would tolerate fewer shenanigans, for a while, but the commitment would not be broken.  
 

It is commitment to the Cowboys that is fake.

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3 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

Well reasoned, but I doubt these issues are “fake”.  They are as real as our commitment to all things UT football.  We would tolerate fewer shenanigans, for a while, but the commitment would not be broken.  
 

It is commitment to the Cowboys that is fake.

I mean...maybe we're splitting hairs here, but even rabid fandom runs up against reality.  "Hey Fan X, would you rather your favorite college football team win a title next year, or would you prefer to earn a good living instead of a shitty one, have decent healthcare for your sick kid instead of being 25 miles from the nearest doctor, and have your kids go to an actual school where they can be educated and develop life skills instead of a glorified prison box condemning them to lives of being a Wal-Mart shelf stocker?"  First, there absolutely ARE people who would choose "gotdamn, gimme that title, ROLL TIDE!"  I suspect that the overlay of those people on the "Trump voter" circle is near 100%.  But in the end, there likely aren't even that many, as a percentage.

My strong hypothesis is that college football team "tribal loyalties" pale in comparison to this modern GQP cult tribal loyalty.

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Something interesting in Possum Piss is the decline of the denominational churches (Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian) and the rise of Cowboy churches.  The Pentecostals (at least in east Texas) are one of the very few denominations growing.    How many of you have seen Branded for Jesus Church north of Huntsville on 45?   No real theory here, just an observation.  

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5 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Possum Piss has a great Mexican joint that serves a kick ass CFS.

It does.  And among the many, many pathetic things about the residents of Possum Piss is that they LOVE eating at the Taqueria Guadalajara in the building that used to be the DQ.  The owner and his wife , Jorge and Maria, greet them with a smile, and they smile back.  And as the locals are sitting at their table with friends, bitching about how "all these goddamned messicans are ruining everything, you can't even tell that this is America anymore, those dirty messican criminals!" and Jorge walks by and scowls a bit, they quickly say "but not you, Jorge -- you're one of the good ones."

Because self-awareness and irony are fucking dead in Possum Piss.  They died about the time the DQ folded.

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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

Love elementary in Houston today lost heating. Apparently they didn't send the kfs home, but rather tried to scrounge space heaters. Some of the rooms were 42 degrees and lower.  HISD's response to the principal's complaint was to tell them about low testing scores. 

Crossing posting from winter thread. Fuck Miles. 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean...maybe we're splitting hairs here, but even rabid fandom runs up against reality.  "Hey Fan X, would you rather your favorite college football team win a title next year, or would you prefer to earn a good living instead of a shitty one, have decent healthcare for your sick kid instead of being 25 miles from the nearest doctor, and have your kids go to an actual school where they can be educated and develop life skills instead of a glorified prison box condemning them to lives of being a Wal-Mart shelf stocker?"  First, there absolutely ARE people who would choose "gotdamn, gimme that title, ROLL TIDE!"  I suspect that the overlay of those people on the "Trump voter" circle is near 100%.  But in the end, there likely aren't even that many, as a percentage.

My strong hypothesis is that college football team "tribal loyalties" pale in comparison to this modern GQP cult tribal loyalty.

Agreed.   Our experience is just a small taste of what the full blown condition truly is.

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1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

Something interesting in Possum Piss is the decline of the denominational churches (Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian) and the rise of Cowboy churches.  The Pentecostals (at least in east Texas) are one of the very few denominations growing.    How many of you have seen Branded for Jesus Church north of Huntsville on 45?   No real theory here, just an observation.  

I think it makes perfect sense, and is in no way surprising. Similarly to the way the Southern Baptist convention makes it damn near impossible to imprint any kind of requirements or guidelines about individual churches, moving away from an actual spiritual church/organization/denomination means you have freedom to say whatever the fuck you want is in the name of Jesus. Sort of like what the Moms of Liberty plan on doing with their charter "school." Except instead of education, it's "Faith." 

You know all those quotes of people saying the teaching of Jesus are liberal bullshit so their church should stop teaching them? This is the next step. 

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1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

Something interesting in Possum Piss is the decline of the denominational churches (Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian) and the rise of Cowboy churches.  The Pentecostals (at least in east Texas) are one of the very few denominations growing.    How many of you have seen Branded for Jesus Church north of Huntsville on 45?   No real theory here, just an observation.  

Agree.  These abortions are everywhere now.  They're nothing more than KKK meetings sans the burning cross. 

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33 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

At the end of the day, as a society we must have good public schools that are appropriate and acceptable to the standards of people who would want to choose their local public schools. As they continue to deteriorate, it's like the inverse of the rising tide lifting all boats. 

The draining ocean drowns all fish.

This.  And that drowning (purposefully making public schools worse) is done for two purposes in mind:

1) those who can afford to get out of the shithole schools end up in private schools that are generally more likely than not to indoctrinate students into the Christofascist beliefs of the current Ruling Party, and 

2) those who can't afford it can get fucked, and be the low-income wage slaves that the Ruling Party wants them to be.

White Christian from a middle class and above family?  Step right up and enroll at Freedom Eagle Gun Jesus Academy!  Get some basic education of decent quality, and all the indoctrination you can stand and more!

From a poor family, especially a minority family?  Get fucked, mud people.  You exist to mow our lawns and bus tables, so you don't need any book learning anyhow.  Get to work! (See also the fact that the same folks pushing school choice are pushing for relaxed child labor laws).  Brown kids belong at the chicken processing plant, not at school.

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yep, if vouchers pass it just becomes a level the GOP will use to scare/attract votes.  Vote for me, we'll raise your voucher by thousands next year. Look how great vouchers work - see this top school that uses vouchers (omit school tuition is $60k a year, $8k of voucher).  Don't vote for me, they'll take your vouchers away.

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17 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I think it makes perfect sense, and is in no way surprising.  Similarly to the way the Southern Baptist convention makes it damn near impossible to imprint any kind of requirements or guidelines about individual churches, moving away from an actual spiritual church/organization/denomination means you have freedom to say whatever the fuck you want is in the name of Jesus. Sort of like what the Moms of Liberty plan on doing with their charter "school." Except instead of education, it's "Faith." 

You know all those quotes of people saying the teaching of Jesus are liberal bullshit so their church should stop teaching them? This is the next step. 

I agree that's a big part of it, my brother is a member of one of these type churches.  But I think part of it is the rural churches feeling less important than their urban and suburban counterparts.  Lots of little churches in Possum Piss have reverted back to circuit riders of the past, partly because they can't afford a pastor dedicated to solely their church anymore.   

It's all tied together with the deterioration of the rural communities. 

The Pentecostals are just a magnet for the MAGA/Misogynistic crowd.  Big into patriarchy and keeping the women barefoot in the kitchen.  Probably also strong white supremacy stuff taught there too.  

 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  And that drowning (purposefully making public schools worse) is done for two purposes in mind:

1) those who can afford to get out of the shithole schools end up in private schools that are generally more likely than not to indoctrinate students into the Christofascist beliefs of the current Ruling Party, and 

2) those who can't afford it can get fucked, and be the low-income wage slaves that the Ruling Party wants them to be.

White Christian from a middle class and above family?  Step right up and enroll at Freedom Eagle Gun Jesus Academy!  Get some basic education of decent quality, and all the indoctrination you can stand and more!

From a poor family, especially a minority family?  Get fucked, mud people.  You exist to mow our lawns and bus tables, so you don't need any book learning anyhow.  Get to work! (See also the fact that the same folks pushing school choice are pushing for relaxed child labor laws).  Brown kids belong at the chicken processing plant, not at school.

No first those brown students are needed to help the athletics teams get to district or beyond, then they can disappear into the woodwork once their eligibility runs out.

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You can't get more rural than this without getting into west Texas. 

Something along these lines is coming.  There are distance learning companies already with the curriculum.  They just need a network of "proctors" throughout Texas to make these pods work.  

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Curious if abbott and yass just figure out it’s easier to buy those voucher votes or, people get a nice sized check for ‘home schooling’ their kids 

texas gop has already ran off small town hospitals, public schools are next 

Oh, that's what the 6 million is for.  Carrot and stick.  Fund people who support vouchers and negative campaign those that don't.  Abbott doesn't need it for his campaign

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13 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

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You can't get more rural than this without getting into west Texas. 

Something along these lines is coming.  There are distance learning companies already with the curriculum.  They just need a network of "proctors" throughout Texas to make these pods work. 

 

 

Ohhhhhh. It is all beginning to make sense with this "pod" reveal...

How it's started:

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How it ends:

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"Proctors" coming soon to a neighborhood near you!

 

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