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3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I thought he has more room to run to his left. After watching it a couple of times, the time he took to process it, get moving, it appears too late for any other options.

 

You're also forgetting that Quinn is slow. He is 5 yards deep in the endzone with a surprise ball in his hands. He has had no chance to do anything there but go down. 

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5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

You're also forgetting that Quinn is slow. He is 5 yards deep in the endzone with a surprise ball in his hands. He has had no chance to do anything there but go down. 

I specifically addressed just that in my post. I've cut and pasted it below to help you.

the time he took to process it

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Yeah, that was a heads-up play to save 5 points.  Stupid playcall by Sark, but also was annoyed we had Skaterbro hit and he got extra yards that caused it to be snapped so close to the EZ.  Think if we get him on that first hit, it would have been less of a bad call. 

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25 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I dont think he makes it out of the end zone, but it was odd to go down. I didnt go back and watch it, but remember thinking why didnt make an attempt to get out of the endzone.

Because he had 5 guys coming at him and the entire offensive line was turned around watching it happen.

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4 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I thought he has more room to run to his left. After watching it a couple of times, the time he took to process it, get moving, it appears too late for any other options.

 

Even that screenshot is deceptive.  If you watch it live, the defender just to the left of Golden in that screenshot (#8, I think) immediately crosses behind Golden and completely shut down that running lane, even if Quinn had made a quicker decision to run.  Was just a busted play from the start.

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33 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I rewatched the game yesterday, and one play that seemed to get under fans' skin was the safety on Quinn.  In reality, that could have changed the game had he not reached out and grabbed the fumble.  It looked bad, but it was the best possible (bad) outcome.  Otherwise, ASU would have recovered it for a touchdown.

Yeah, that was a heads-up play by Quinn to save a touchdown.  He wasn’t the one who fumbled the ball

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2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Even that screenshot is deceptive.  If you watch it live, the defender just to the left of Golden in that screenshot (#8, I think) immediately crosses behind Golden and completely shut down that running lane, even if Quinn had made a quicker decision to run.  Was just a busted play from the start.

Yeah that lane closed down after Quinn started forward and that's when he went down. 

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2 minutes ago, skipmcgee said:

Yeah, that was a heads-up play by Quinn to save a touchdown.  He wasn’t the one who fumbled the ball

That was a complete shitshow, no one blocked anyone from the beginning.

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Posted (edited)
18 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I specifically addressed just that in my post. I've cut and pasted it below to help you.

the time he took to process it

I mean he is physically slow. Processing time has nothing to do with it. He isn't getting up field there. He isn't physically fast enough. 

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10 hours ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Yes it is a combination of factors but Sark is 25-4 over the last two seasons and has now reached the final four in consecutive years.

With our bell cow RB being lost to season ending injury for most of that period. 

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5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I mean he is physically slow. Processing time has nothing to do with it. He isn't getting up field there. He isn't physically fast enough. 

I knew what you meant, I was being sarcastic.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I rewatched the game yesterday, and one play that seemed to get under fans' skin was the safety on Quinn.  In reality, that could have changed the game had he not reached out and grabbed the fumble.  It looked bad, but it was the best possible (bad) outcome.  Otherwise, ASU would have recovered it for a touchdown.

yeah.. at the time, i was like Quinn!!! dump it/throw it!!!

looking back, there was a lot for one player to process in about 1.2 seconds... a totally unpredictable series of events happened there very quickly.

lucky it was just only 2 points given.

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55 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

I thought the same thing but watching the replay.  He grabs the ball and falls forward.  But also there was 5 defenders converging on him and was going to destroy him.  The best outcome was for him to go down and take the safety 

And not get hurt trying to get it out of the endzone.  It was really the smartest thing he could have done at the time.

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12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Ridiculous that anyone focuses on that safety regarding Quinn. Fucked play, glad he was able to recover it. 

 

100%, why I said "I dont think he makes it out"

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9 minutes ago, satyanash said:

 

Surprised that wasnt Will Howard. Just an aside, I would love to see PFF do a video on their grading system. Their overall hate of Ewers' season is beyond anything you even see here. I love to figure out why

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

I tend to think people over-estimate new starters, especially on fan sites. I hope you are right. I think there will be some ups and downs next year. Lots of new faces along the LOS

The OL is tricky because it's one of the few positions on the field you rarely rotate at outside of injury, so when you are replacing a starter heading into a season, unless you are shuffling the OL and moving another starter into their spot, someone with quite a bit of unknown is usually next up. 

It's why we are pretty fortunate to have someone like Cole Hutson who started an entire season in 2022 but has been a backup the last two years. He isn't a great player right now but he offers a relatively solid floor that someone like Baker or Neto may not have because we just haven't seen them much (at all?) against frontline competition. 

I wouldn't hate the idea to explore the portal for some depth at OT, but that is easier said than done in the OL portal market. The ones worth pursuing usually aren't going places to compete for jobs. We let Neto bake in the oven for 3 years, is it worth it to potentially throw that out and go get a portal guard? If you bring in an OT does that push out a younger guy on campus? It's a tough balancing act, especially when we haven't had much attrition along the OL the last few years.

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1 hour ago, FartingMonk said:

I thought the same thing but watching the replay.  He grabs the ball and falls forward.  But also there was 5 defenders converging on him and was going to destroy him.  The best outcome was for him to go down and take the safety 

 

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

The only non-safety option was throwing it away either sailing it over Davis or into the ground next to Golden but that is expecting unreasonably quick thinking plus that the refs still wouldn't have called it grounding.

Yeah, glad the ball popped right back to Quinn. The only thing he could've done was quickly fling it away but he was inside the tackles and it would almost certainly have been ruled intentional grounding in the endzone and a safety. Just blindly throwing the ball out also could easily end up in the hands of a ASU DB/LB for a walk-in TD. That play was a complete shit sandwich -- Quinn elected to simply take a bite, not eat the entire sandie.

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35 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Surprised that wasnt Will Howard. Just an aside, I would love to see PFF do a video on their grading system. Their overall hate of Ewers' season is beyond anything you even see here. I love to figure out why

Probably getting dinged for the deep balls.  I've stanned for Quinn, but his deep balls are down right ugly.

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1 minute ago, Fondren & Main said:

Probably getting dinged for the deep balls.  I've stanned for Quinn, but his deep balls are down right ugly.

It more than that. I think they had him outside the top 100 QBs in college football. That is a bold statement. One thing to say they think he under-achieved and been mediocre this year. Its another to say he is in the bottom 20 percentile of all college starters.

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4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

It more than that. I think they had him outside the top 100 QBs in college football. That is a bold statement. One thing to say they think he under-achieved and been mediocre this year. Its another to say he is in the bottom 20 percentile of all college starters.

Well, that’s a good point.  It’s hard to say without knowing all the minutia going on behind the scenes.

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49 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Surprised that wasnt Will Howard. Just an aside, I would love to see PFF do a video on their grading system. Their overall hate of Ewers' season is beyond anything you even see here. I love to figure out why

I don't know his PFF grade, but his QBR was 97.7 and Quinn was 92.0 

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9 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I don't know his PFF grade, but his QBR was 97.7 and Quinn was 92.0 

Isn't QBR ESPN's dumb made-up stat? Or is it QBE?

The bottom line is that Ewers didn't look all that great for the majority of the season. I think it's mostly attributable to him being hurt, or afraid to re-aggravate something. Just as he was rounding into form he jacks up his ankle. I'm assuming he's about completely over that by now (hopefully). If we get 4Q/OT Ewers next week (and hopefully) the week after, we've got as good a shot at winning this thing as anybody still playing. I would love for somebody to solve our 3Q issues, though.

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21 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Isn't QBR ESPN's dumb made-up stat? Or is it QBE?

The bottom line is that Ewers didn't look all that great for the majority of the season. I think it's mostly attributable to him being hurt, or afraid to re-aggravate something. Just as he was rounding into form he jacks up his ankle. I'm assuming he's about completely over that by now (hopefully). If we get 4Q/OT Ewers next week (and hopefully) the week after, we've got as good a shot at winning this thing as anybody still playing. I would love for somebody to solve our 3Q issues, though.

All stats have their usefulness. They are just data points. Every stat tells you information, the key is knowing information it does not tell you. You cannot understand that unless the provider of the stat publishes how it is constructed, which is why people question QBR. Its better than QB rating, but how much better who knows

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23 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I would love for somebody to solve our 3Q issues, though.

maybe take the ball first to start the game (if we win the coin flip), so we have less offensive possessions in the 3Q to mess up.

it's something! 😋

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Yeah, I don't get why Quinn isn't good at deep balls. Good QB's complete every deep bomb and hail mary they throw. Some QB's don't even throw short and intermediate passes the deep ones are so easy to complete.

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Update on the ESPN QBR ratings for all CFP QB starts so far, ranked best to worst:

Howard 98.7
Howard 97.7
Ewers 92
Ewers 87.5
Madsen 86.1
Klubnik 82
Gabriel 74.5
Leavitt 71.1
Leonard 70.9
Leonard 67
Rourke 63.9
Iamaleava 62.8
Allar 56.3
Stockton 50.9
Allar 44.9
Jennings 13.3
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3 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

There was a weird hesitation when he picked up the ball, glanced up field briefly, looked back at the ground, glanced up, took a step or maybe 2, then went down. At least that's what I recall. Need to re-watch it myself.

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Posted
2 hours ago, C-Man said:

That play was a complete shit sandwich -- Quinn elected to simply take a bite, not eat the entire sandie.

You're a great poster.  Don't ever do this again.  

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Daniel Jeremiah (NFL draft analyst) was on a podcast I was listening to yesterday and mentioned he heard the oblique injury was much more severe than the team/Ewers camp let on. He said he heard there was a tear.

It's going to be frustrating to read and see, but I'm sure once the season is over, there is going to be a lot of pushing from the Ewers camp to let people know how unhealthy he was to try to justify some of his poor play. I guess that is why these guys hire agents/PR teams. 

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54 minutes ago, MrBig said:

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Jesus, the blocking was worse than I thought. Literally no one maintained a block, I thought I was exaggerating when I said that earlier. That might have been the worst blocking we have had on any play in the last 4 years.

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4 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Daniel Jeremiah (NFL draft analyst) was on a podcast I was listening to yesterday and mentioned he heard the oblique injury was much more severe than the team/Ewers camp let on. He said he heard there was a tear.

It's going to be frustrating to read and see, but I'm sure once the season is over, there is going to be a lot of pushing from the Ewers camp to let people know how unhealthy he was to try to justify some of his poor play. I guess that is why these guys hire agents/PR teams. 

Nah, he was just being a pussy.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Ridiculous that anyone focuses on that safety regarding Quinn. Fucked play, glad he was able to recover it. 

 

This. He did the smartest thing he could have done by far. Weird to see that play even be a point of discussion beyond being a shitty playcall

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Congrats to Quinn for now being the Most Underrated & Under-appreciated QB in Texas history.

Same guys bagging on Q were prolly the same guys who spent the spring of 2010 with Gilbert's hangdown lodged in their kisser...

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Posted
59 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I personally would have taken that 105 yards for the TD

as it relates to the Surl, only you and CTJ have the speed to make that happen.

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4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

as it relates to the Surl, only you and CTJ have the speed to make that happen.

Derka would have gone coast to coast and dunked it over the crossbar. 

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