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49 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Jesus, the blocking was worse than I thought. Literally no one maintained a block, I thought I was exaggerating when I said that earlier. That might have been the worst blocking we have had on any play in the last 4 years.

Seriously. Just standing there looking lost. 

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52 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Jesus, the blocking was worse than I thought. Literally no one maintained a block, I thought I was exaggerating when I said that earlier. That might have been the worst blocking we have had on any play in the last 4 years.

That was just Golden getting blown up. It looks worse when the RB get popped fumbles it 4 yards backwards to Quinn. 3 guys are coming from the outside that never would have made the play, if Golden didnt get destroyed and the the RB went A/B gap

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13 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

That was just Golden getting blown up. It looks worse when the RB get popped fumbles it 4 yards backwards to Quinn. 3 guys are coming from the outside that never would have made the play, if Golden didnt get destroyed and the the RB went A/B gap

I understand Golden got blown up, he wasn't the only one and literally no one else was able to sustain a block either. The film doesn't lie. I know that is difficult in a loose ball situation but # 55 got pancaked into the backfield by his assignment not to mention the other disastrous attempts to block.

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17 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

That was just Golden getting blown up. It looks worse when the RB get popped fumbles it 4 yards backwards to Quinn. 3 guys are coming from the outside that never would have made the play, if Golden didnt get destroyed and the the RB went A/B gap

This. Why the hell was Golden there to begin with?  Terrible play call. 

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6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This. Why the hell was Golden there to begin with?  Terrible play call. 

Agree. Not a huge fan of a condensed set that asks a WR to block on an obvious run situation. Might as well just load up go heavy and run it inside/

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22 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

 

What the fuck is our O-Line doing on that play? It's like they quit playing and let ASU through.

The complete opposite of playing through the whistle.

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49 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

That was just Golden getting blown up. It looks worse when the RB get popped fumbles it 4 yards backwards to Quinn. 3 guys are coming from the outside that never would have made the play, if Golden didnt get destroyed and the the RB went A/B gap

Yeah, for the most part it isn't that bad (Majors gets run the fuck over though). No one on the line is expecting the ball to still be in the backfield that long after the ball is snapped. 

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Goosby was pretty bad too. He contributed very little to the double team and then didn't get a hand on the guy going past him.
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5 hours ago, Codaxx said:

It more than that. I think they had him outside the top 100 QBs in college football. That is a bold statement. One thing to say they think he under-achieved and been mediocre this year. Its another to say he is in the bottom 20 percentile of all college starters.

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20 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

Clearly Arch could have reacted fasted and ran straight for a touchdown 

His juke would have broken the ankles of 5 ASU defenders and sent them straight to the hospital. He then would’ve hurdled 3 more defenders, who would all quit football on the spot from shame. He would outrun the remaining defenders by effortlessly gliding down the sideline at 80% effort. 

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3rd and 7, 10:47 in the 2nd Quarter. This is the "jump ball" to Helm in the endzone. Chance to practically put the game away here and the play call seemed to work, except for the QBs choice. Motion identifies the defense is not in man. The run two in routes on the right side, a cross route on the left side and a RB route up the left sideline/WR route up the right sideline.

Good throw probably gets over the LB to Golden for an easy TD.

I would also bet Bond beats that LB's tackle attempt for a first down.

Hell, the throw to Helm probably works if Ewers throws it sooner because the safety is too deep.

Instead, Ewers throws it late to the player essentially bracketed by four defenders.

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3 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

I understand Golden got blown up, he wasn't the only one and literally no one else was able to sustain a block either. The film doesn't lie. I know that is difficult in a loose ball situation but # 55 got pancaked into the backfield by his assignment not to mention the other disastrous attempts to block.

One thing to consider is that they all stopped blocking, completely and turned around after the fumble. 

I'm not defending the play, but the reality exists that Wisner could have called "ball". In which case, ALL players, including OL have been coached to stop whatever their assignments were and look for the ball.

If you look closely, as soon as the ball springs loose, the stop blocking, turn and start looking at the ground. "loose ball drill" 

It might possibly explain why all of them, at the same time stopped their blocking assignment, turned around and started looking around.

Bad play call, bad execution of a bad play call, bad blocking to start with from the get go, great "tip" drill by Ewers to catch the ball in the air, look for running room. Bad job of running the "ball" drill by the OL, maybe. Good choice by Quinn to manage a bad situation and not make it worse by just going down.

Best result of a cluster fuck we probably could have hoped for in that situation.

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1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

One thing to consider is that they all stopped blocking, completely and turned around after the fumble. 

I'm not defending the play, but the reality exists that Wisner called fumble. In which case, ALL players, including OL have been coached to stop whatever their assignments were and look for the ball.

If you look closely, as soon as the ball springs loose, the stop blocking, turn and start looking at the ground. "loose ball drill" 

It would explain why all of them, at the same time stopped their blocking assignment, turned around and started looking down on the ground.

Bad play call, bad execution of a bad play call, great "tip" drill by Ewers to catch the ball in the air, look for running room. Good job of running the "ball" drill by the OL. Good choice by Quinn to manage a bad situation and not make it worse by just going down.

Best result of a cluster fuck we probably could have hoped for in that situation.

Could be true and might be probable but at this point we don't truly know. Kelvin Banks kept blocked and even he got shedded. Best case was 3 guys completely whiffed or bull dozed. That play was doomed. ASU had the perfect call.

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6 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

One thing to consider is that they all stopped blocking, completely and turned around after the fumble. 

I'm not defending the play, but the reality exists that Wisner could have called "ball". In which case, ALL players, including OL have been coached to stop whatever their assignments were and look for the ball.

If you look closely, as soon as the ball springs loose, the stop blocking, turn and start looking at the ground. "loose ball drill" 

It might possibly explain why all of them, at the same time stopped their blocking assignment, turned around and started looking around.

Bad play call, bad execution of a bad play call, bad blocking to start with from the get go, great "tip" drill by Ewers to catch the ball in the air, look for running room. Bad job of running the "ball" drill by the OL, maybe. Good choice by Quinn to manage a bad situation and not make it worse by just going down.

Best result of a cluster fuck we probably could have hoped for in that situation.

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2 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Could be true and might be probable but at this point we don't truly know. Kelvin Banks kept blocked and even he got shedded. Best case was 3 guys completely whiffed or bull dozed. That play was doomed. ASU had the perfect call.

Well, it was shitty play call with bad execution AND ASU schemed it well.

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4 hours ago, Helobious said:

This. He did the smartest thing he could have done by far. Weird to see that play even be a point of discussion beyond being a shitty playcall

Now that Helo called it smart by Quinn I may have to rethink my position

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3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Well, it was shitty play call with bad execution AND ASU schemed it well.

Yeah, and we had several of these in the game that handed ASU momentum. The 2nd & 4 when we needed to kill clock pass play and Q throws it into double coverage and gets picked - pretty bad combo by Sark and Q.

We do such solid shit that gets us leads then very consistently do this in 3rd quarter. Threw deep to attack early, won the game by attacking late... but in between just let it go entirely? Head scratchers. 

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14 minutes ago, The Earl of Texas said:

Yeah, and we had several of these in the game that handed ASU momentum. The 2nd & 4 when we needed to kill clock pass play and Q throws it into double coverage and gets picked - pretty bad combo by Sark and Q.

We do such solid shit that gets us leads then very consistently do this in 3rd quarter. Threw deep to attack early, won the game by attacking late... but in between just let it go entirely? Head scratchers. 

Yeah, I like Joel Klatt and I was listening to his take on this game. 

Aside from the penalty discussion aspect, he nailed it. Not just this game but bigger picture. The lack of consistency from Ewers and this Texas offense is nearly inexplicable. Klatt even talked to the duality of Quinn, amazing sometimes then suddenly not and in this game amazing again at the end.

I'm leaning more and more into Sark's ownership of these issues.

Post up page talked about perhaps Quinn is worse than reported by Texas. If so.. that means Arch is far enough behind in development that Sark opted to play a seriously injured and limited player. That makes not getting Arch in for more snaps and even worse decisions to increase that development,  you know, it case it gets worse.

If Quinn isn't that hurt, why the flashes of greatness and sudden huge periods of lack of production? It's a legitimate question, and given some of the scheme for ASU, aggje Georgia1 and Georgia2 not to mention the 3rd quarter doldrums we've had since Michigan..  WTF is going on with this offense? 

I know most of this belong in the Sark thread but it is perplexing at the least. 

You look at ND and OSU, they are peaking now, at the perfect time. Whereas Texas seemed to take a step back vs a good and fast but not great ASU D. Its... not encouraging and creates a lot of questions for which I have some ideas but it's just flinging poo at the wall.

It's most infuriating because I do believe, firmly, this is a championship caliber D and they are performing like it. I think we have the players to be a championship caliber O, but we just don't look like one, consistently. Sure there are flashes like the start and end of ASU.. and we look wildly amazing. But.. why just flashes? It's fucking infuriating.

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6 minutes ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

Eh. ND just isn’t very good IMO.
I think they’ve had a lucky draw and GA without Beck.
I’d be surprised if they beat Pedos.

I'll be surprised if they don't.  Vegas has it ND -1.5, and I think they'll cover.  For one thing, Freeman is proving to be a terrific coach, and Franklin is a proven moron.  Blouses.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'll be surprised if they don't.  Vegas has it ND -1.5, and I think they'll cover.  For one thing, Freeman is proving to be a terrific coach, and Franklin is a proven moron.  Blouses.

This. 

PSU was running at will against Boise, then for no reason, he went full regard and flung the ball around for 3 quarters. 

Freeman has a clue, Franklin consistently loses the bigger games against good coaches with equal talent. 

PSU winning would shock me.

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5 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

 

What the fuck is our O-Line doing on that play? It's like they quit playing and let ASU through.

Looks like a screen.

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1 hour ago, Horn Dogg said:

Right - the motherfucker won 12 games last year and 13 this year.  Laid the wood to Bama and Michigan in their houses.  Beat OU 49-0 as a redshirt freshman.  Beat OU, aggy and Arky this year.  Gave us a lot to brag about.  

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1 hour ago, Horn Dogg said:

Right - the motherfucker won 12 games last year and 13 this year.  Laid the wood to Bama and Michigan in their houses.  Beat OU 49-0 as a redshirt freshman.  Beat OU, aggy and Arky this year.  Gave us a lot to brag about.  

Not even jimmy by gawd street managed to win 25 games in 2 seasons!

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On 1/1/2025 at 2:47 PM, RichUT said:

Sark was stubborn today about having balance, even when it was clear the run game was not working. I think he was really counting on the size advantage winning, but they were quick and disruptive and we never found the recipe. 

I actually thought the pass play call on 2nd down while up 8 was appropriately aggressive for the situation, but Quinn made a bad throw. No idea what was going on elsewhere on that play, but he either picked the wrong guy or threw the wrong type of ball. Possibly both.

 

On 1/1/2025 at 3:08 PM, Hookem2147 said:

I didn’t like throwing deep on the 2nd and 4 with 6 minutes left but I also wonder if Bond was the primary read that play. They had Golden coming on an over route that looked open on TV.

I also would have hoped our 3rd year starting QB would know risking throws into double coverage in that spot is ridiculous. Hell, a sack would have been better.

Ewers made the plays when we needed him though.

 

Not sure if this was covered yet, but the skycam view showed Quinn reading the play side safety. He made the right read and then made a terrible throw. 

The safety take a step forward to close in on the Golden over. As soon as that safety moves forward in Golden's directly, Quinn lets it rip to Bond coming over the top on the post. If he puts less air on that, it's a touchdown.

Eyes on the safety

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Safety moves up

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Quinn pulls the trigger

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3 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

 

Not sure if this was covered yet, but the skycam view showed Quinn reading the play side safety. He made the right read and then made a terrible throw. 

The safety take a step forward to close in on the Golden over. As soon as that safety moves forward in Golden's directly, Quinn lets it rip to Bond coming over the top on the post. If he puts less air on that, it's a touchdown.

Eyes on the safety

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Safety moves up

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Quinn pulls the trigger

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Wow, I didn’t realize the ground the backside corner covered. Quinn definitely threw one of his patented popups.

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Yep that one was a good read and bad throw. You could see immediately that throw needed to be on a line. The only way they make a play is if you float it and let the backside safety into the play. 

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7 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

 

Not sure if this was covered yet, but the skycam view showed Quinn reading the play side safety. He made the right read and then made a terrible throw. 

The safety take a step forward to close in on the Golden over. As soon as that safety moves forward in Golden's directly, Quinn lets it rip to Bond coming over the top on the post. If he puts less air on that, it's a touchdown.

Eyes on the safety

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Safety moves up

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Quinn pulls the trigger

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The throw is still Golden as soon as he clears the LB. He never should've thrown this ball. Even on a rope your receiver gets decapitated or picked off.

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

The throw is still Golden as soon as he clears the LB. He never should've thrown this ball. Even on a rope your receiver gets decapitated or picked off.

I disagree. I'm guessing there's a pre-snap trigger to determine the read. If Quinn thinks it's Cover-2 or Quarters, safety is probably the read. If it's a cover-3 look or a Man look, then yeah, linebacker is probably the first read. If he's reading the safety, hitting Golden as he clears the first line backer gets him lit up the way Taafe lit up their guy at the end. Granted, yes, it's probably a completion, but if the first read is play side safety, you're not going to throw it to the guy he is moving towards unless it is a "must get a first down" situation.

When Quinn throws this ball, the backside DB is on the numbers. With the air that he put under it, the backside DB still only arrives AFTER the ball gets picked. Put less air on it and throw it towards the fat post, not towards the upright, Bond has at least 2 steps after the catch before the backside DB gets there.

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11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

The throw is still Golden as soon as he clears the LB. He never should've thrown this ball. Even on a rope your receiver gets decapitated or picked off.

Our receiver did get decapitated.  And we got picked off. 

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5 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

I disagree. If he's reading the safety, hitting Golden as he clears the first line backer gets him lit up the way Taafe lit up their guy at the end. Granted, yes, it's probably a completion, but if the first read is play side safety, you're not going to throw it to the guy he is moving towards unless it is a "must get a first down" situation.

When Quinn throws this ball, the backside DB is on the numbers. With the air that he put under it, the backside DB still only arrives AFTER the ball gets picked. Put less air on it and throw it towards the fat post, not towards the upright, Bond has at least 2 steps after the catch before the backside DB gets there.

Looking from field level that safety looks like an issue. He is deep enough to get his hands on a laser if he drops then jumps. It's a throw he can make though but the window is tighter than it appears from a higher camera view. Either way it wasn't a terrible read. I wouldn't have thrown it in that situation for sure. Also, why don't we have sight adjustment on routes. If Golden sits when he clears the LB its an easy pitch and catch. As soon as we see zone we should have sight adjustments.

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Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

It was a dumb play call given the situation and a terrible throw. It was 2nd and 4 with 5:42 left. Literally anything but an INT 

A first down is everything there. Patented sark lack of situational awareness. Terrible call. 

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Looking from field level that safety looks like an issue. He is deep enough to get his hands on a laser if he drops then jumps. It's a throw he can make though but the window is tighter than it appears from a higher camera view. Either way it wasn't a terrible read. I wouldn't have thrown it in that situation for sure. Also, why don't we have sight adjustment on routes. If Golden sits when he clears the LB its an easy pitch and catch. As soon as we see zone we should have sight adjustments.

I think that's expecting a lot of a safety who is already moving forward to, in a split second, stop, reaccelerate backwards, and close that window, especially when that's not his responsibility. Quinn's eyes are telling him one thing here as soon as that safety starts moving forward: "Safety vacated middle of field, GO NOW!"

I agree though on the sight adjustments. From everything I've watched on Sark's offense though, he loves to let his playmakers "run to grass" especially on over routes. We've seen it time and time again. In a different zone look, Golden is running to grass. I'm starting to think that he doesn't ask the WRs to make that post-snap read and adjustment. The only player he asks of that or that I've at least seen do that is Gunnar.

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Just now, TheBryMan81 said:

I think that's expecting a lot of a safety who is already moving forward to, in a split second, stop, reaccelerate backwards, and close that window, especially when that's not his responsibility. Quinn's eyes are telling him one thing here as soon as that safety starts moving forward: "Safety vacated middle of field, GO NOW!"

I agree though on the sight adjustments. From everything I've watched on Sark's offense though, he loves to let his playmakers "run to grass" especially on over routes. We've seen it time and time again. In a different zone look, Golden is running to grass. I'm starting to think that he doesn't ask the WRs to make that post-snap read and adjustment. The only player he asks of that or that I've at least seen do that is Gunnar.

I get frustrated with the lack of sight adjustments because we make offense hard. As soon as you see it's zone you should be finding space to sit down. Every week we see other offenses doing this. Making easy throws to stationary WRs in an empty zone or even on the outside when there is too much cushion the QB just turns and throws it. We do none of that. That's why I don't worry about Quinn at the next level. He throws a shitty deep ball but his reads are generally good.

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