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8 hours ago, pacman said:

https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/openai-tries-to-shift-responsibility-to-users/

 

It's not our fault we rolled out a shit product way too soon and then over hyped it to push adoption.

 

It's the users fault 

I am not sure I disagree with the subtitle of the article.  


“ChatGPT gave you bad medical advice? That’s on you.”

How much responsibility should a company have to bear for the stupidity of its customers?  I guess each session could start with a warning label?

“I am a system designed to provide statistically relevant answers based on your questions given the internet and public domain as my primary source of knowledge.  My answers are only as valid as the information I was trained on, which may be wrong.  I am not a physician, not a lawyer, not a financial advisor, not a psychologist, not a spiritual or religious advisor and definitely not a human with empathy, morality or ethics to guide my responses.  Use me at your own risk.”

But writing that just makes me sad that there are enough people out there who are stupid enough to make it necessary.

 

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8 minutes ago, Goredho said:

But writing that just makes me sad that there are enough people out there who are stupid enough to make it necessary.

Ticking over Ye Olde 50 Years Old threshold and the amount of "the Texas legislature has voted on new healthcare legislation bleh bleh bleh and Medicare or Medicaid bleh bleh bleh" spam robo calls has shot up for me, even with constantly blocking.

Somebody out there is making a shitload of money on these spam robo calls, and even though I clearly recognize them as spam robocalls, it's obvious a lot of people aren't.

Now ramp that up to 11 with AI with a lot more stuff. We are in for a rough ride.

I used to chuckle at the once-in-a-blue-moon phone call from a relative asking why somebody in another country wants to send them cash.  Now I'm pretty sure half my older relatives have had a few thousand dollars stolen from them over this stuff.

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44 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Ticking over Ye Olde 50 Years Old threshold and the amount of "the Texas legislature has voted on new healthcare legislation bleh bleh bleh and Medicare or Medicaid bleh bleh bleh" spam robo calls has shot up for me, even with constantly blocking.

Somebody out there is making a shitload of money on these spam robo calls, and even though I clearly recognize them as spam robocalls, it's obvious a lot of people aren't.

Now ramp that up to 11 with AI with a lot more stuff. We are in for a rough ride.

I used to chuckle at the once-in-a-blue-moon phone call from a relative asking why somebody in another country wants to send them cash.  Now I'm pretty sure half my older relatives have had a few thousand dollars stolen from them over this stuff.

We are literally building ON PURPOSE an economy that has "scams and grift" as one of its central pillars.  It's gone beyond "look, any time you have transactions and trade, there will be scammers operating on the margins" to "it's a material element of our economy, responsible for a sizable percentage of the money traded every day."  It's not just amazing to watch it happen, it's super-amazing to watch our policy makers go all-in on supporting, encouraging, and (most importantly) joining in on it.

TLDR: in this new economy, if you aren't ripping people off/grifting, what are you even doing?

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Westlaw legal research now has an AI assisted aspect.  So I asked a legal question the other day, and it gave me an answer that was absolutely wrong and guided by a Supreme Court decision in our state that had been specificallylegislatively overturned.

So I told the AI “ you dumb fuck, a statute overturned that decision”.   It then gave an answer that was directly opposite from the answer it gave me five minutes before.  

Even though there’s a disclaimer saying, “don’t rely on what I told you”, there has to be a vast army of dumb shits who won’t do that and will submit briefs full of nonsense.  As it is, people have submitted briefs where AI completely fabricated case cites  and holdings.  I mean, it made up legal shit that never existed.   We know this because judges have been sanctioning the shit out of lawyers for using AI and not checking.   

For a society that has already pretty much abandoned critical thinking, AI should be the nail in the coffin on that issue

 

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

Westlaw legal research now has an AI assisted aspect.  So I asked a legal question the other day, and it gave me an answer that was absolutely wrong and guided by a Supreme Court decision in our state that had been specificallylegislatively overturned.

So I told the AI “ you dumb fuck, a statute overturned that decision”.   It then gave an answer that was directly opposite from the answer it gave me five minutes before.  

Even though there’s a disclaimer saying, “don’t rely on what I told you”, there has to be a vast army of dumb shits who won’t do that and will submit briefs full of nonsense.  As it is, people have submitted briefs where AI completely fabricated case cites  and holdings.  I mean, it made up legal shit that never existed.   We know this because judges have been sanctioning the shit out of lawyers for using AI and not checking.   

For a society that has already pretty much abandoned critical thinking, AI should be the nail in the coffin on that issue

 

This is a huge problem for me as well. I have junior staff doing code research (building, fire, ADA, zoning etc.) and they invariably rely on AI to do this. Nearly daily it returns incorrect answers similar to what you got - wrong code, section was revised, etc. Although I require staff to return the actual code cite language and section reference to me, a lot of them just want to take the AI result as gospel. The last search I did, for a building code reference in a WA state suburb, current (2021) code, returned a reference to the 2009 Santa Clara CA building code. When I showed it to staff, they started to get it - I hope....

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21 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Westlaw legal research now has an AI assisted aspect.  So I asked a legal question the other day, and it gave me an answer that was absolutely wrong and guided by a Supreme Court decision in our state that had been specificallylegislatively overturned.

So I told the AI “ you dumb fuck, a statute overturned that decision”.   It then gave an answer that was directly opposite from the answer it gave me five minutes before.  

Even though there’s a disclaimer saying, “don’t rely on what I told you”, there has to be a vast army of dumb shits who won’t do that and will submit briefs full of nonsense.  As it is, people have submitted briefs where AI completely fabricated case cites  and holdings.  I mean, it made up legal shit that never existed.   We know this because judges have been sanctioning the shit out of lawyers for using AI and not checking.   

For a society that has already pretty much abandoned critical thinking, AI should be the nail in the coffin on that issue

 

That tool was acquired in an $800M acquisition. Related: AI is not a bubble 🙄

 

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3 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

That tool was acquired in an $800M acquisition. Related: AI is not a bubble 🙄

 

Man what are you talking about? Separating costs and revenues to different balance sheets is totally generally accepted accounting practices

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Dear god, please let that be real, and please let an army of giant cats come down to earth and

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Not cats.

Birds.

Rev 19:21

And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

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Hi everyone, it’s such a lifetime dream to become CEO of a trusted company like Mozilla, a place that does technology differently, a place that keeps user experience as it’s North Star.

Which is why it’s such a tremendous honor to be the leader that says “fuck all of you shitheads, we know what you really want is AI.” 

https://techcrunch.com/2025/12/17/mozillas-new-ceo-says-ai-is-coming-to-firefox-but-will-remain-a-choice/

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Third: Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software. Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.


 

 

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I had a cold a couple of weeks ago. I told ChatGPT the symptoms I had, and then asked it to provide a list of OTC meds I should buy and to ask me followup questions. I also asked it to explain the differences in some meds. I walked away informed and had a shopping list to take to CVS.

I'm sure there are webpages that would have informed me the same way but this was tailored to me.

The only thing missing was a button to send the order to CVS or Amazon. I used to think the general interest was the best education tool ever invented. That's been replaced by ChatGPT or other AI tools.

 

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43 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I had a cold a couple of weeks ago. I told ChatGPT the symptoms I had, and then asked it to provide a list of OTC meds I should buy and to ask me followup questions. I also asked it to explain the differences in some meds. I walked away informed and had a shopping list to take to CVS.

I'm sure there are webpages that would have informed me the same way but this was tailored to me.

The only thing missing was a button to send the order to CVS or Amazon. I used to think the general interest was the best education tool ever invented. That's been replaced by ChatGPT or other AI tools.

 

That's coming. I think Walmart is partnering with OpenAI. 

https://corporate.walmart.com/news/2025/10/14/walmart-partners-with-openai-to-create-ai-first-shopping-experiences

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2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I had a cold a couple of weeks ago. I told ChatGPT the symptoms I had, and then asked it to provide a list of OTC meds I should buy and to ask me followup questions. I also asked it to explain the differences in some meds. I walked away informed and had a shopping list to take to CVS.

I'm sure there are webpages that would have informed me the same way but this was tailored to me.

The only thing missing was a button to send the order to CVS or Amazon. I used to think the general interest was the best education tool ever invented. That's been replaced by ChatGPT or other AI tools.

 

Did the ivermectin cure your cold? 

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As my dear retired barber/firefighter brother in law who uses a mobile phone every day but has never learned to text would say, with a sardonic sneer, “Aahhh, fuck all a that Star Wars sheeit!” He is someone I would trust not to make things worse if basic services went South.  

I see homemade legal docs every week that resemble “state-specific” wills, deeds, trusts and quasi contractual looking “things.” Give the hand grenade to the monkey and observe from a safe distance. Rehabbing DIY docs will pay my fees until I croak. 

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On 12/20/2025 at 10:56 PM, Firemans4Horn said:

Such a scam 

 

Kevin Spacey 90S GIF
 

 


 

 

Wow.

With as basic and common of a use case that is and with literally hundreds of companies doing this succesfully, I'm not sure I'd want to publicly admit this or go on record to let the world know I'm incompetent. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Wow.

With as basic and common of a use case that is and with literally hundreds of companies doing this succesfully, I'm not sure I'd want to publicly admit this or go on record to let the world know I'm incompetent. 

 


You nailed it. As much as this map nailed it. 
 

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Here is something fascinating from a TIL tidbit from AI lore.

The whole reason there is an AI wars at all (OpenAI, Google, Meta, Grok) and not just Google AI and a bunch of midgets, is because of Elon Musk and his infamous pettiness.

Because the company he invested in (DeepMind) spurned him (and Zuck) and took less money to be bought by Google, Sam Altman and Elon spun up a company (OpenAI) to get back at the betrayal he felt by Larry Page who he thought was his homeboy up until then (and whom he accidentally made aware of when showing a Breakout video on a private plan). 

Elon's cache was able to poach a handful of great AI researchers from Google who up until that point had every AI expert in the world (and if you follow their coaching tree makes up every AI company we talk about today) and it's suggested that without Elon's involvement and recruiting (remember Elon in 2014/2015 was still a golden child and hadn't turned heel) Google would have ran away with it.

Fascinating.

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3 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:


You nailed it. As much as this map nailed it. 
 

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I get the old AI hallucinated meme but I don't understand the GPS and 4 mins to drive 1.4 miles on a route. It looks pretty basic to me.

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22 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I get the old AI hallucinated meme but I don't understand the GPS and 4 mins to drive 1.4 miles on a route. It looks pretty basic to me.


 

human error (not AI hallucination). 
 

 

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I still don't get the "human error."  The directions say to turn right in .5 miles, the map shows the route turning right in about .5 miles...?  I don't like the way the map is ORIENTED (looks like it is oriented with north at the top), as I prefer my map to be oriented showing me going "up" on the screen no matter which direction that is, but I can navigate with it the way shown as well.

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I still don't get the "human error."  The directions say to turn right in .5 miles, the map shows the route turning right in about .5 miles...?  I don't like the way the map is ORIENTED (looks like it is oriented with north at the top), as I prefer my map to be oriented showing me going "up" on the screen no matter which direction that is, but I can navigate with it the way shown as well.

I think he means the human error was in accidently including it in his post at all (it must have been a fat finger situation or it was somehow copy/pasted from the phone when he posted)?

Or maybe he was posting on surly and driving which would be insane to me lol

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On 12/19/2025 at 10:54 AM, Vegas64 said:

This is absolutely coming. I know someone developing a thing.

If you thought your wife / partner / whatever was buying all the shit on Amazon already, just wait... Everything will be a lead up to some consumer shit just for you. 

(Like it already is)

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28 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I still don't get the "human error."  The directions say to turn right in .5 miles, the map shows the route turning right in about .5 miles...?  I don't like the way the map is ORIENTED (looks like it is oriented with north at the top), as I prefer my map to be oriented showing me going "up" on the screen no matter which direction that is, but I can navigate with it the way shown as well.

 

23 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I think he means the human error was in accidently including it in his post at all (it must have been a fat finger situation or it was somehow copy/pasted from the phone when he posted)?

Or maybe he was posting on surly and driving which would be insane to me lol

hey chatgpt, is it possible that there are people that have never taken a screenshot in a car while carplay is running and don't realize that when you do that, it screenshots the phone and the carpplay screen both as an image and further aren't aware that if you send it somewhere without deleting the latter image, it will show precisely what was on their carplay screen including their need for directions to get somewhere in rochester, new york that requires directions (i'm guessing toast factory)?

chatgpt: only idiots.

and if you want to know precisely what fireman4horn was looking at right when he snapped that, here you go:

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he was clearly scrolling while waiting for the light to turn green. probably screenshot and in the middle of uploading, the guy behind him honked at him that the light had been green for 10 seconds and to put his fucking phone down and drive.

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11 minutes ago, sidis said:

 

hey chatgpt, is it possible that there are people that have never taken a screenshot in a car while carplay is running and don't realize that when you do that, it screenshots the phone and the carpplay screen both as an image and further aren't aware that if you send it somewhere without deleting the latter image, it will show precisely what was on their carplay screen including their need for directions to get somewhere in rochester, new york that requires directions (i'm guessing toast factory)?

chatgpt: only idiots.

and if you want to know precisely what fireman4horn was looking at right when he snapped that, here you go:

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he was clearly scrolling while waiting for the light to turn green. probably screenshot and in the middle of uploading, the guy behind him honked at him that the light had been green for 10 seconds and to put his fucking phone down and drive.

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Well, it hadn't occurred to me at least.

Excellent work, Kojak.

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14 minutes ago, sidis said:

 

hey chatgpt, is it possible that there are people that have never taken a screenshot in a car while carplay is running and don't realize that when you do that, it screenshots the phone and the carpplay screen both as an image and further aren't aware that if you send it somewhere without deleting the latter image, it will show precisely what was on their carplay screen including their need for directions to get somewhere in rochester, new york that requires directions (i'm guessing toast factory)?

chatgpt: only idiots.

and if you want to know precisely what fireman4horn was looking at right when he snapped that, here you go:

Screenshot2025-12-22164941.thumb.png.3b2f2dbee986a1f308c633571be4658c.png

he was clearly scrolling while waiting for the light to turn green. probably screenshot and in the middle of uploading, the guy behind him honked at him that the light had been green for 10 seconds and to put his fucking phone down and drive.

I've literally never used carplay. Sorry I'm an ancient human being. You'll be sad when we are gone.

Posted
1 hour ago, Firemans4Horn said:


You nailed it. As much as this map nailed it. 
 

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lol are you posting screenshot to surly while driving? That's what it looks like when you take a screenshot with carplay going

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