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7 hours ago, Derka said:

they just can’t stop trashing their only cash cow. really wish there was a way to get her out of this league. it’s what she and the her hating ass league mates both deserve.

 

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I don't get the hate?  Clark seems to pander to these ladies but they can't stand her? And I've never heard anyone speak like Plum?  zery original accent/dialect

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I want the league to succeed, BUT I hope the cash infusion/actual positive revenue flow happens AFTER most of these clowns are out of the league. I wish reporters would hammer them after every game and really drive home the point that the minority of people watching this league are fans of someone other than Clark or the Fever. Without Clark this league stays forever attached to the monetary infusion from the NBA. Nobody is tuning in to see these jealous clown frauds. 

I hope Clark sits out until the playoffs so we can once again get a reminder that Clark is the SOLE REASON for the attendance and ratings jump. These players are just not bright. This isn’t just jealousy. This is flat out stupidity with zero ability to read the room or the financials for that matter. Demanding money that is not there yet and then still trashing the only reason you have a shot at being financially solvent for the first time in league history is very on brand for this league.

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That's a wildly stupid thing to say. Not only that Clark is the most popular player, but when you're trying to make more as players why the fuck would you say or do anything to show cracks in your "united" front? Why the fuck are you giving the owners ammo?

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55 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

Didn't CC break Plum's NCAA scoring record? And hasn't she been pretty mid in the WNBA for the most part? Can't see why she'd harbor a grudge. 

Yes but as the eloquent Sheryl swoopes pointed out, it took Clark 700 more shots and two extra years to do so so it’s not fair

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1 hour ago, NorthLoop said:

Didn't CC break Plum's NCAA scoring record? And hasn't she been pretty mid in the WNBA for the most part? Can't see why she'd harbor a grudge. 

Her first three years were incredibly disappointing.  But in the last 5 seasons, since she returned from an Achilles injury that cost her the entire 2020 season, she has won 6POY, been on the WNBA 1st team and has been a 4 time All-Star. 

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8 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Her first three years were incredibly disappointing.  But in the last 5 seasons, since she returned from an Achilles injury that cost her the entire 2020 season, she has won 6POY, been on the WNBA 1st team and has been a 4 time All-Star. 

And won two titles

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On 7/18/2025 at 1:01 PM, aggie08 said:

So are we allowed to talk about Clark having an objectively terrible shooting season and being nowhere near the best player in the sport right now, or nah?

She's been injured all season. Her on/off splits are still very good and there's obviously stuff with her that's hard to quantify. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

All Star Game ratings down 36% from last year

2.19 million vs 3.44 million

But franchise prices are up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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7 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

All Star Game ratings down 36% from last year

2.19 million vs 3.44 million

I mean ratings for regular season games were down 55% when she was out.  So to me this is a 19% improvement 

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On 7/11/2025 at 11:39 AM, Vegas64 said:

I think the reason the league is rejecting Clark (like the body rejects a transplanted organ needed to live) is because the implication that they are not valuable. A lot of ink has been spilled about how crappy WNBA was before Clark-- all the same business metrics on revenue and salaries and attendance and popularity in the gutter) and the implication and unsaid message I think they are hearing is:

"you women are not valuable",

"you, as an individual basketballer, are not valuable", and

"you, without Caitlin Clark, are not valuable".

And not to get too political or controversial, but it seems like it's an easy leap to go from that to,

"black, queer women are not valuable",

and "without a straight white hope, a queer black league is not valuable"

And when people feel devalued it's a core identity crisis and emotional and psychological issue that can be existential. So that helps explain to me why it feels irrational -- because when most people feel that deeply wounded, most aren't going to respond with logic and math.

I could be way off but just a thought that unlocked for me as I wrote the last post and that word "value" jumped out at me.

This post isn't getting enough love because @Vegas64 nailed it.  The W is a very queer and black league.  The lily-white, straight, cis, Christian Caitlin Clark shows up and they are hearing the hype train coming in before she even enters the association and they are pissed, for all the reasons quoted above.  Think about it, if you are in a white collar job, you've been doing your very best over the past several years, and all of the sudden your management recruits a Harvard MBA to join after they graduate, and all you hear about is "He's going to put us on the map," "We'd be nothing without him," etc, you'd be pissed too (even if all that were true).

The reason the WNBA had a niche audience isn't that they were predominantly queer or black.  It's because the games were not entertaining to watch for an audience expecting NBA basketball.  Truth is women's basketball may be played on the same court but it's not the same game.  Pre-CC fans knew that and maybe even liked it.  If you're a men's basketball fan, you see the games in the W and say "WTF is this shit?"  They brick open layups on the regular, there are about 5 airballs per game minimum, tons of midrange bricks, the style of play is ugly in that most teams pound it into a big in the middle to shoot a contested 3-footer with 2 people hanging on her, the officiating is terrible, and the few players who are explosive enough to beat the first defender and uncalled foul that comes with it don't have the power to finish in the lane regularly.  Because they allow so much physicality, it's no surprise that players do what they're allowed to do and favor the defense.  

When I watched Dallas vs. Indiana they were quoting Paige B. as saying she had to learn how to foul because they don't call it and if she's not fouling, she's not playing hard enough defense.  It feels very 90's NBA when the Spurs won their first championship against the Knicks and the average score was 82-76 or something.

CC is too aggressive in her passes and she generates too many turnovers as a result.  She attempts passes that the men could catch but the women on her team either aren't used to the speed, angle, or just don't have the reaction time or hands to handle.  She also has her own share of passes she should have never made like any PG.  I'm a fan and think she will adapt and improve.  But over aggression in her passes is not her biggest issue.  Her biggest issue is lack of a deadly mid-range/floater.  Her instinct right now is to run the P&R looking for the roller, or to pop back out looking for the 3.  She'll drive if she has to but her finishing is weak compared to her 3, and she gets knocked down a lot.  She needs a soft floater to take 1 dribble off the P&R and punish the overpursit of her 3.  That will open up everything: the 3, the roller, and the drive.

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On 7/21/2025 at 11:38 AM, Im_smarter_then_you said:

All this success and yet she’s still jealous of Caitlin.   Kind of telling that nobody knows her resume 

In her defense, most posters in this thread are basketball dopes, particularly regarding the women's game.  I put myself in that group, while I try to educate myself, I don't follow the sport that intensely.  

First, it was a unbelievably stupid comment, but apparently it didn't have the biting avarice which most are assuming.  It was a really bad joke about some of the Fever girls, of course with Clark, having partied pretty hard the night before and therefore were hung over and not at the meeting.  That said, why say anything?  Plum is a good, if inefficient, player but she's also known be the antithesis of mensa.  A silly player telling a stupid joke which destroys the broader reason and message they were intending.  It was another misstep and self inflicted mistake.  I don't think there was much (maybe a little) biting nastiness to the comment, just an unbelievably stupid moment by a tone deaf player, who probably needs to rethink her tack or just stick to the script....

 

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31 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

In her defense, most posters in this thread are basketball dopes, particularly regarding the women's game.  I put myself in that group, while I try to educate myself, I don't follow the sport that intensely.  

First, it was a unbelievably stupid comment, but apparently it didn't have the biting avarice which most are assuming.  It was a really bad joke about some of the Fever girls, of course with Clark, having partied pretty hard the night before and therefore were hung over and not at the meeting.  That said, why say anything?  Plum is a good, if inefficient, player but she's also known be the antithesis of mensa.  A silly player telling a stupid joke which destroys the broader reason and message they were intending.  It was another misstep and self inflicted mistake.  I don't think there was much (maybe a little) biting nastiness to the comment, just an unbelievably stupid moment by a tone deaf player, who probably needs to rethink her tack or just stick to the script....

 

I believe you’re correct

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On 7/21/2025 at 11:20 AM, NorthLoop said:

Didn't CC break Plum's NCAA scoring record? And hasn't she been pretty mid in the WNBA for the most part? Can't see why she'd harbor a grudge. 

This I posted July 5 in response to someone else's comment:

 

I know you were jagging but, I decided to go ahead and take a look at their stats while in college.

Both are wonderful players.

Both played 139 collegiate games.

Clark averaged 28.4 ppg while Plum averaged 25.4 ppg.

Plum played more minutes per game, 37.4 to 34.8 which, if you just divide the total by 40 minutes, works out to basically nine more games than Clark played.

Clark averaged more rebounds per game, 7.1 to 4.3 and assists per game, 8.2 to 3.8.

Clark shot better from the floor, 46.2% to 44.3%. Plum did shoot better from 3, 38.2% to 37.7%.

Clark scored 3,951 points to Plum's 3,527. 

Blew her right out of the water.

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Pretty much what we all already new. The WNBA leadership sucks ass:

Christine Brennan’s new book on Caitlin Clark has become an instant New York Times bestseller. In today’s conversation, she tells me the most interesting details from the book, including how Caitlin Clark reacted to being left off the Olympic team and the timeline of events that led to the WNBA upgrading players to chartered flights. We also discuss how unprepared the WNBA was for Clark’s arrival, why WNBA Commissioner Cathy Engelbert avoids mentioning her name, the differences between covering male and female athletes as a journalist, and much more. Enjoy!

https://open.substack.com/pub/huddleup/p/do-wnba-players-actually-hate-caitlin?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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