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8 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

I see where our Texas legislature did some stupid shit along the lines of allowing the nuts to get Ivermectin without a prescription under the banner of “medical freedom” but I apparently can’t make the decision to get a vaccine that is proven safe and effective .  
Makes sense.  

Get in line buddy there’s a lot of us who can’t get the healthcare we need. 

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3 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

They will probably start calling them organ farms. 

 

And soon after, in an attempt to counter high food prices, the government will come up with highly nutritious food wafers.  

 

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Man, that is the most pathetic copout yet.  "zero problem with more research on this issue", implying that current research is incomplete.  I will weep for you when you or a family member dies a horrible death, perhaps natural, perhaps by suicide.  No, really.  I'M NOT KIDDING.

You are totally deranged. There have literally been the same exact topics discussed on this board going back two or three different iterations. We've discussed the vax schedule, we've discussed the use of psychotropics broadly and also in these particular situations. Nothing here is new ground. The political climate certainly has changing though. What is new is the political dysfunction overlay, yes #bothsides. New wrinkles along the way, ivermectin clowns for example. RIP triple. 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

You are totally deranged. There have literally been the same exact topics discussed on this board going back two or three different iterations. We've discussed the vax schedule, we've discussed the use of psychotropics broadly and also in these particular situations. Nothing here is new ground. The political climate certainly has changing though. What is new is the political dysfunction overlay, yes #bothsides. New wrinkles along the way, ivermectin clowns for example. RIP triple. 

I repeat:  I will weep for you when someone in your family dies because you support this anti-science bullshit.  In short, fuck you.

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I repeat:  I will weep for you when someone in your family dies because you support this anti-science bullshit.  In short, fuck you.

I guess congrats for repeating nonsense uncritically. 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

I guess congrats for repeating nonsense uncritically. 

Oh noes!  The unserious self-congratulating cloud-brained autist is not happy with me!  What should I do?

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Oh noes!  The unserious self-congratulating cloud-brained autist is not happy with me!  What should I do?

I hope for only wellness and mental stability for you and yours. 

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

No you don't.  Not at all.  At least be honest.

No. That's actually true. I understand it unfathomable to some of y'all. 

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I just hope and pray we don’t have to deal with some unknown communicable pathogen  that can kill us all while relying on this bunch to save us.

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RFK: I'm announcing a study on medication to deflect from another mass shooting with dead children and also clearly it's a plot to eventually restrict people from taking said medication.

Ana: Studies are good! 

 

 

 

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I know that attention span is hard for some on this board, particularly jimmy, but all these things have been discussed on this board in different political context previously. The really interesting thing is tracking which discussion points have remained uninfluenced by the political environment and which did total 180s. Unfortunately, some of the receipts have been lost, part of the reason posters like Jimmy whig out. 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

RFK: I'm announcing a study on medication to deflect from another mass shooting with dead children and also clearly it's a plot to eventually restrict people from taking said medication.

Ana: Studies are good! 

 

 

 

Ana: Real world health outcomes research is good!

CR: barf alot. 

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

I played golf with my MAGA buddy yesterday. He said he's started to take Ivermectin. I thought he was fucking with me, but no. 

 

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1 hour ago, troph said:

SSRIs are awesome and for some they are not. Coming off of them can be a nightmare for some, others just hard. I do think society would be much better off if SSRIs were mostly prescribed by psychiatrists instead of GPs. But to blame them for gun violence or to try and ban them is intentionally dangerous, there’s nothing stupid about it. 

I agree 100%.  My ex-wife went to the local Dr. Feelgood, and he wrote scripts for all sorts of anti-depressants.  When she got really bad and we checked her in the the psych ward, the resident Psych over there looked at the drugs she had been taking and got seriously pissed off.  I'm pretty sure he said "who the hell is the doctor that's been writing these scripts"

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1 hour ago, Satchel said:

I just hope and pray we don’t have to deal with some unknown communicable pathogen  that can kill us all while relying on this bunch to save us.

I kind of hope the opposite. 

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Boy, am I sure glad that RFK, Jr. is getting all of his 10-15% batshit crazy tendencies out of the way early. Nothing but smooth sailing for the next 3.5 years.

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8 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

RFK: I'm announcing a study on medication to deflect from another mass shooting with dead children and also clearly it's a plot to eventually restrict people from taking said medication.

Ana: Studies are good! 

 

 

 

It should be clear by now that when professor whalejuice roadkill says "something needs further research," he intends to take it off the market or curtail access one way or another.

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On the topic of SSRIs.  They are a wonder drug for many people.

I think they are also over-prescribed and haphazardly prescribed.  They're not all created equal and one of the dozen available may be a wonder drug, and the rest worthless for a given patient.

But I would hazard an educated guess that the downside of misprescribed SSRIs is not suicidal mass murderers, but rather people with mental health issues that are going mostly unaddressed.  And the answer to that is probably not more research, but actual medication management under a good psych.

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7 hours ago, Satchel said:

Trying to figure out who is the most loathsome person in Trump’s administration is very stressful.

Well, it’s Stephen Miller but there is a jumble at second place. 

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The SSRI stuff is dominating right now because of Minneapolis. But within the next month the government of the United States is about to completely fuck up the lives of lots of kids with autism by telling angry, unsophisticated parents a bunch of bullshit and preventing real research. 
 

As parent working through this in my family, a hearty fuck you to Anastasis and anyone else trying to sane-wash RFK. He’s an utter quack who fried his brain on heroin and we are seeing generational damage to real people. There’s no explanation other than maliciousness or stupidity indistinguishable from maliciousness so I treat it as both.

 

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The SSRI stuff is dominating right now because of Minneapolis. But within the next month the government of the United States is about to completely fuck up the lives of lots of kids with autism by telling angry, unsophisticated parents a bunch of bullshit and preventing real research. 
 
As parent working through this in my family, a hearty fuck you to Anastasis and anyone else trying to sane-wash RFK. He’s an utter quack who fried his brain on heroin and we are seeing generational damage to real people. There’s no explanation other than maliciousness or stupidity indistinguishable from maliciousness so I treat it as both.
 

I knew this hadn’t gone away and figured as much. He and Stephen Miller are neck-and-neck for most destructive/awful member of Trump 2.0.
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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

But I would hazard an educated guess that the downside of misprescribed SSRIs is not suicidal mass murderers, but rather people with mental health issues that are going mostly unaddressed. And the answer to that is probably not more research, but actual medication management under a good psych.

Both. More research to further understand the underlying pathophysiology, identify and test new and more effective treatments, optimize the use of the current (quite antiquated frankly) treatment options. And certainly also appropriate treatment by a psychiatrist. 

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10 hours ago, Satchel said:

I just hope and pray we don’t have to deal with some unknown communicable pathogen  that can kill us all while relying on this bunch to save us.

Satchel as in Satchel Paige …? 

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

On the topic of SSRIs.  They are a wonder drug for many people.

I think they are also over-prescribed and haphazardly prescribed.  They're not all created equal and one of the dozen available may be a wonder drug, and the rest worthless for a given patient.

But I would hazard an educated guess that the downside of misprescribed SSRIs is not suicidal mass murderers, but rather people with mental health issues that are going mostly unaddressed.  And the answer to that is probably not more research, but actual medication management under a good psych.

I agree they are a net positive and a god send for many. I will say though, I think any time a med that could be a life long treatment is considered - absent a compelling emergency or other set of circumstances - the alternatives should be considered first.
 

Look RFK Jr is a dangerous imbecile. Who the fuck drinks methyl blue in their water? Holy fuck.   

however, what I find infuriating about SSRIs is the speed at which doctors pull out a pill to try and solve problems without looking first to natural solutions. 

a bit of background - my mom was on SSRIs and a related drug adapted for sleeping. She started taking them under drastic circumstances, divorce, 3 kids under 15 years old, poor, back in college, and maybe she really needed them. 35 years later and two attempts to wean off of Prozac and the sleeping med and she can’t. She got down to the lowest dose before the withdraw symptoms kicked her fucking ass. She’s going to take an unneeded low dose of Prozac and her other med for sleep for the rest of her life. She’s come to terms with it but she wanted off and still really does. 

If you are suffering from mental health issues imo alcohol consumption, diet (including supplementation), exercise, sleep, relationships, purpose and productivity, sunlight and interaction with nature should all be looked at closely before jumping to a pharma solution created in the what 1950s?  
 

heck I think GLP-1s may be a better first line treatment for many. Weight and the cascade of effects from it all point to mental health problems especially as we age.

and as I tell my boys, you cannot escape your own humanity, the rules for a satisfied mind are well known, (1) eat well, (2) play a sport and exercise your body for life, (3) sleep well, (4) avoid too much alcohol, (5) love well, (6) work well, (7) and play (outdoors) well. And when you do those things attitudes like gratitude and staying off social media and not doom scrolling the news will all follow.

Maybe an SSRI is needed to do those 7 things but maybe the lack of one or more of those 7 things is the reason why there is suffering. 

the failure of digging deep and asking ourselves to curate a well lived life with the rapid prescription of long term treatments is what is so concerning to me.

i don’t know the percentages but some significant percentage of people need SSRIs and I’m sure the number of people who are taking SSRIs well exceeds that percentage that truly need them.

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We need to bring back tar and feathering.  This idiot deserves it real hard because people are going to die because of his idiocy.

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2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

We need to bring back tar and feathering.  This idiot deserves it real hard because people are going to die because of his idiocy.

DECORUM

YOU'RE SHRINKING THE TENT

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Ha, that's ok because the tent is going to need to be downsized if we have any kind of health crisis while this moron is in charge.

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It's not hard to imagine a covid-like event happening sometime in the next 3.5 years and RFK Jr. being responsible for millions of deaths. 

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10 minutes ago, troph said:

I agree they are a net positive and a god send for many. I will say though, I think any time a med that could be a life long treatment is considered - absent a compelling emergency or other set of circumstances - the alternatives should be considered first.
 

Look RFK Jr is a dangerous imbecile. Who the fuck drinks methyl blue in their water? Holy fuck.   

however, what I find infuriating about SSRIs is the speed at which doctors pull out a pill to try and solve problems without looking first to natural solutions. 

a bit of background - my mom was on SSRIs and a related drug adapted for sleeping. She started taking them under drastic circumstances, divorce, 3 kids under 15 years old, poor, back in college, and maybe she really needed them. 35 years later and two attempts to wean off of Prozac and the sleeping med and she can’t. She got down to the lowest dose before the withdraw symptoms kicked her fucking ass. She’s going to take an unneeded low dose of Prozac and her other med for sleep for the rest of her life. She’s come to terms with it but she wanted off and still really does. 

If you are suffering from mental health issues imo alcohol consumption, diet (including supplementation), exercise, sleep, relationships, purpose and productivity, sunlight and interaction with nature should all be looked at closely before jumping to a pharma solution created in the what 1950s?  
 

heck I think GLP-1s may be a better first line treatment for many. Weight and the cascade of effects from it all point to mental health problems especially as we age.

and as I tell my boys, you cannot escape your own humanity, the rules for a satisfied mind are well known, (1) eat well, (2) play a sport and exercise your body for life, (3) sleep well, (4) avoid too much alcohol, (5) love well, (6) work well, (7) and play (outdoors) well. And when you do those things attitudes like gratitude and staying off social media and not doom scrolling the news will all follow.

Maybe an SSRI is needed to do those 7 things but maybe the lack of one or more of those 7 things is the reason why there is suffering. 

the failure of digging deep and asking ourselves to curate a well lived life with the rapid prescription of long term treatments is what is so concerning to me.

i don’t know the percentages but some significant percentage of people need SSRIs and I’m sure the number of people who are taking SSRIs well exceeds that percentage that truly need them.

Yes.

I think too many times, a GP-type will paper over a "I feel down" diagnosis with a quick scrip for Zoloft or Prozac or whatever the SSRI du jour is.

I'm not dismissing the "I feel down," but I think it requires more diagnosis and is often "subclinical" and probably best treated by natural things and maybe talk therapy.  And, in the event an actual SSRI is needed or desirable, it's probably best to "medication management" it to find the right one, or if even something else is the best answer, e.g. a tricyclic.

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12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yes.

I think too many times, a GP-type will paper over a "I feel down" diagnosis with a quick scrip for Zoloft or Prozac or whatever the SSRI du jour is.

I'm not dismissing the "I feel down," but I think it requires more diagnosis and is often "subclinical" and probably best treated by natural things and maybe talk therapy.  And, in the event an actual SSRI is needed or desirable, it's probably best to "medication management" it to find the right one, or if even something else is the best answer, e.g. a tricyclic.

It’s really frustrating that we can’t have real public policy conversations on these issues. We have conspiracy theorists, fucking baboons, clown cars filled with idiots, and oligarchs and corporatists fighting over the control of our public health megaphone and research dollars. 

RFK Jr is an abject disaster and failure and dangerous baboon - he is not what we need - but I do think we need reform in our public health and research system. And it makes me super sad the clowns, uneducated and the scientific Neanderthals are in charge. Just as I was frustrated the corporatists were in charge before.

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I just re-read the last couple of pages and I'm still pissed.  This is without question the first move to limiting access to if not outright banning SSRIs.  I don't care what "feeling" one might have about their overuse, the fact is they save lives.  There is a difference between maintaining vigilance and launching "studies" that have a clear desired outcome which will justify horrific actions in response.

"We're launching studies on the potential contribution of some of the SSRI drugs and some of the other psychiatric drugs that might be contributing to violence."

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Nobody on this thread thinks anything remotely positive about RFK or his potential ban attempt on SSRIs and those of us namely me that recognize a systemic problem aren’t anywhere close to suggesting SSRIs aren’t a net positive or otherwise, except Ana. 


 

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56 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yes.

I think too many times, a GP-type will paper over a "I feel down" diagnosis with a quick scrip for Zoloft or Prozac or whatever the SSRI du jour is.

I'm not dismissing the "I feel down," but I think it requires more diagnosis and is often "subclinical" and probably best treated by natural things and maybe talk therapy.  And, in the event an actual SSRI is needed or desirable, it's probably best to "medication management" it to find the right one, or if even something else is the best answer, e.g. a tricyclic.

This is a symptom of some deep-seated problems in our healthcare system and isn't by any means limited to SSRIs. Walk in to the doctor's office with any number of issues, and walk out with a pill to take for the rest of your life is just kind of how we've designed our system to work. troph mentioned GLP-1s and that's the next big one. Don't worry about lifestyle changes, just take this injection to lose weight.

Every now and then there's some nefariousness involved (hello, Sacklers), but most of the time the reasons for this pattern are pretty mundane. I don't for one second believe that RFK is interested in making a good faith effort to address them.

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4 minutes ago, troph said:

Nobody on this thread thinks anything remotely positive about RFK or his potential ban attempt on SSRIs and those of us namely me that recognize a systemic problem aren’t anywhere close to suggesting SSRIs aren’t a net positive or otherwise, except Ana. 

I didn't suggest otherwise.

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3 minutes ago, tokamak said:

This is a symptom of some deep-seated problems in our healthcare system and isn't by any means limited to SSRIs. Walk in to the doctor's office with any number of issues, and walk out with a pill to take for the rest of your life is just kind of how we've designed our system to work. troph mentioned GLP-1s and that's the next big one. Don't worry about lifestyle changes, just take this injection to lose weight.

Every now and then there's some nefariousness involved (hello, Sacklers), but most of the time the reasons for this pattern are pretty mundane. I don't for one second believe that RFK is interested in making a good faith effort to address them.

Yep.  A big part of it is how insurance forces docs to see X patients a day to "make ends meet."  And then there's pharma.  But I do understand that they've been forced to cut back on a lot of the "hookers and gin" pill-pushing.  But damned if I don't see a comely lass with a wheeled case just about every time I go to the doc.

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We need to bring back tar and feathering.  This idiot deserves it real hard because people are going to die because of his idiocy.

There is hope. Public Health regulation of the milk supply to prevent disease and filtration of the water supply for the same purpose began in the 1890’s and they have crushed that.

We just need to continue this downward spiral 100 more years to tar and feather time.
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12 minutes ago, tigol said:


There is hope. Public Health regulation of the milk supply to prevent disease and filtration of the water supply for the same purpose began in the 1890’s and they have crushed that.

We just need to continue this downward spiral 100 more years to tar and feather time.

I mean by then Darwinism may have taken care of the issue.

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19 minutes ago, troph said:

Nobody on this thread thinks anything remotely positive about RFK or his potential ban attempt on SSRIs and those of us namely me that recognize a systemic problem aren’t anywhere close to suggesting SSRIs aren’t a net positive or otherwise, except Ana

That's fake news troph. I don't think that the FDA is going to "ban SSRIs". I think that that is pretty ridiculous, but if they indeed moved to do so I would be adamantly opposed. Regarding net positive/negative, from last page..."Clearly the risk benefit equation will almost always favor treatment". Research into the potential link between psychotropic medications and homicide/violence etc. is good, as is broader public health oriented research on the topic. BTW guys, don't forget to sign up for your flu shots. I was just running an errand by the pharmacy and they are dishing 'em out. 

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The SSRI stuff is dominating right now because of Minneapolis. But within the next month the government of the United States is about to completely fuck up the lives of lots of kids with autism by telling angry, unsophisticated parents a bunch of bullshit and preventing real research. 
 

As parent working through this in my family, a hearty fuck you to Anastasis and anyone else trying to sane-wash RFK. He’s an utter quack who fried his brain on heroin and we are seeing generational damage to real people. There’s no explanation other than maliciousness or stupidity indistinguishable from maliciousness so I treat it as both.

 

No replies to this one yet.  This is really, really not good.

There is a near 100% chance that they are going to come out with some insane, utterly unsupportable conclusion that is some variation of "vaccines cause autism," or something similar.  And the usual suspects around here will be just fine with it, offering up an excuse of "well, we do need to examine vaccine safety more," which will completely sidestep what is actually being done: the regime is going to blame, without anything close to scientifically valid basis, that X is a material cause of autism, and therefore X should be treated as a cause of harm instead of a harm prevention.

We are lurching backwards to leeches and humours and shit, and this is fine.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And the usual suspects around here will be just fine with it,

We've already had this exchange dipshit. Try not to trip over your rhetoric on the way to get your flu shot. 

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