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I wonder if benching might be best.  Right now, throwing him out there and watching him fall to pieces isn’t helping him or the team. He is getting lambasted and scrutinized all over social media for how bad he has been.
 

Maybe we are like FSU 2023 and don’t have a serviceable backup qb on the roster.  If so that is a massive failure on Sark.  However, I think someone has to be better as Arch has been that bad.  If we don’t then at least Arch had time to settle down.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

None of this makes sense, when you consider how great he played last year

 

Something changed over the past 9-10 months

That's why I held on to the injury conspiracy theory.  It's the only thing that made sense.  He can't be that bad, can he?  [Natalie portman] can he?  

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35 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

More horror shows from Arch. Why isn't he seeing the field better and anticipating throws? This ain't Sark's fault.

 

And while that throw to Wingo was a prayer ball from Manning, I’d like to see him be taught to go attack that ball and catch it instead of waiting for it to get to him. It was 4th and 3 and not 4th in goal. 

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25 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

Arch, right now, is the complete opposite of that. A true antihero. Everything looks rigid and forced, where 1st and 10 feels like 1st and 100. He’s stiff, uncertain, and hesitant. He hasn’t shown any moxie or leadership. He needs to sit, he’s getting worse with more reps. And if the alcoholism is true, Sark knows firsthand how destructive that is and needs to do what’s best for Arch and get him into rehab. 

this bullshit needs to stop

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It's all confusing, but the wild inaccuracy is what gets me. We saw him play in the spring game when he should have been a senior in high school, and I'm not sure the ball ever hit the ground. Last year against Miss St, I think he had five incompletions, with two of those being drops and two being thrown away. Out of I think 41 attempts. Obviously the mechanics and footwork all play a part too. It's just bizarre. 

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Watched way too much CFB yesterday with YouTube TV multiview. It’s alarming how many teams have QBs that are better than Arch. Joey Aguilar is clearly the best QB in the country and miles ahead of Arch. Carson Beck is a lot better than Arch, Marcel Reed is a little better than Arch. Gunnar Stockton is barely a little bit better than Arch. Sawyer Robertson and Behron Morton are considerably better. I actually think Arch is better than Nussemier from LSU though, he looked terrible against a really shitty Florida team yesterday. 

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College kids do college things, but I'd be hesitant to take the word of anonymous posts on social media. It's not like recent events haven't proven a majority of people posting on social media are bat shit crazy and wrong about everything.

Whatever is happening is real, mental goblins are hard to shake, but at some point you need to do the needful to get the help needed for someone and save the season. If we don't have a quarterback than can throw and things stay ugly, recruiting suffers. Damn near everyone in the SEC looked better than us in being able to score yesterday.

My son, who is a sophomore at UT, mentioned to me after the Ohio State game that maybe Arch needs to spend less time at the Fiji house or they need to stop letting him in. He clarified today that Arch has a "social bid" to Fiji, but he doesn't know how frequently he is partying there.
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1 minute ago, Helobious said:

Watched way too much CFB yesterday with YouTube TV multiview. It’s alarming how many teams have QBs that are better than Arch. Joey Aguilar is clearly the best QB in the country and miles ahead of Arch. Carson Beck is a lot better than Arch, Marcel Reed is a little better than Arch. Gunnar Stockton is barely a little bit better than Arch. Sawyer Robertson and Behron Morton are considerably better. I actually think Arch is better than Nussemier from LSU though, he looked terrible against a really shitty Florida team yesterday. 

Why would you even need to watch other QBs to make this determination 

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1 minute ago, dcbc said:
1 hour ago, DreadHead said:
College kids do college things, but I'd be hesitant to take the word of anonymous posts on social media. It's not like recent events haven't proven a majority of people posting on social media are bat shit crazy and wrong about everything.

Whatever is happening is real, mental goblins are hard to shake, but at some point you need to do the needful to get the help needed for someone and save the season. If we don't have a quarterback than can throw and things stay ugly, recruiting suffers. Damn near everyone in the SEC looked better than us in being able to score yesterday.
 

My son, who is a sophomore at UT, mentioned to me after the Ohio State game that maybe Arch needs to spend less time at the Fiji house or they need to stop letting him in. He clarified today that Arch has a "social bid" to Fiji, but he doesn't know how frequently he is partying there.

He's hanging out with his brother to stay normal / level-headed and experience college. Not that it's fucking working. But let's cut the partying talk until we actually know there's an issue there.

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33 minutes ago, Hornsome said:

I wonder if benching might be best.  Right now, throwing him out there and watching him fall to pieces isn’t helping him or the team. He is getting lambasted and scrutinized all over social media for how bad he has been.
 

Maybe we are like FSU 2023 and don’t have a serviceable backup qb on the roster.  If so that is a massive failure on Sark.  However, I think someone has to be better as Arch has been that bad.  If we don’t then at least Arch had time to settle down.

 

 

That’s where I’m at.  I think his issues are being thrown in the spotlight. Let him come off the bench like last year in certain situations and maybe he’ll settle down. We aren’t winning many games this year with a qb throwing a 50% completion rate and a little over 100 yards.

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17 hours ago, crash_davis said:

Everyone one of the stupid motherfuckers who last season disparaged Quinn for Arch needs to fly to Miami to suck Quinn's dick. 

I'd kill all those idiots to have Quinn back this year.

@BurntOrange&White your first in line!   Suck it dry and don’t spill drop!!

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What’s the point of watching Arch have another bad game. He’s going to magically do a 180 this week? I don’t buy it. I’d start Caldwell next week. He’ll need the reps for Fla and OU. 

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40 minutes ago, Hornsome said:

I wonder if benching might be best.  Right now, throwing him out there and watching him fall to pieces isn’t helping him or the team. He is getting lambasted and scrutinized all over social media for how bad he has been.
 

Maybe we are like FSU 2023 and don’t have a serviceable backup qb on the roster.  If so that is a massive failure on Sark.  However, I think someone has to be better as Arch has been that bad.  If we don’t then at least Arch had time to settle down.

 

 

We don't have a servicable starter either. This isn't last year where we were getting B-grade QB play from a third year starter and the fans thought the backup who had functionally no college experience could come in and be an A down the stretch playing for championships. We're getting an F right now.

There is absolutely no way Caldwell, Owens, or Lacey would be this bad. I'd keep Lacey out because I wouldn't be interested in throwing a true freshman to the wolves but Caldwell is an experienced FBS QB and Owens is in his second year in the system. One of them can definitely hit the easy, schemed open underneath/intermediate throws and execute at replacement level in the RPO game. Pair that with this defense and we can at least grind out a 9-3 type year that, while obviously a step back from the past couple years, isn't a setback.

Right now we're spiraling into the kind of 6-6/7-5, black saturday at the Cotton Bowl kind of territory that cedes some of the ground the program gained over the past few years. There is no downside.

 

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2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I don't think it's fair to try to spike the ball there over Ewers, when this isn't the same Arch we saw playing last season. 

Man I'm sick of the "he's different" argument. The difference is he's playing like shit. 

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Just now, mwaadeeb said:

Man I'm sick of the "he's different" argument. The difference is he's playing like shit. 

Well, yeah? Not sure what the point is. 

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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Well, yeah? Not sure what the point is. 

The point is he's not injured or drunk.

Side note I was just looking for my boot in room after room and it was literally on my other foot.

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47 minutes ago, SarkAfterDark said:

And while that throw to Wingo was a prayer ball from Manning, I’d like to see him be taught to go attack that ball and catch it instead of waiting for it to get to him. It was 4th and 3 and not 4th in goal. 

I take this back after watching another angle of this play. Wingo did attempt to go get that ball, the UTEP player beat him to it. So back to being a ball Manning just threw hoping for the best. 

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2 minutes ago, SarkAfterDark said:

I take this back after watching another angle of this play. Wingo did attempt to go get that ball, the UTEP player beat him to it. So back to being a ball Manning just threw hoping for the best. 

Prior to that, Manning had two wide open receivers and threw to neither of them, so that he could scramble around for awhile and eventually throw an INT.

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11 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

We don't have a servicable starter either. This isn't last year where we were getting B-grade QB play from a third year starter and the fans thought the backup who had functionally no college experience could come in and be an A down the stretch playing for championships. We're getting an F right now.

There is absolutely no way Caldwell, Owens, or Lacey would be this bad. I'd keep Lacey out because I wouldn't be interested in throwing a true freshman to the wolves but Caldwell is an experienced FBS QB and Owens is in his second year in the system. One of them can definitely hit the easy, schemed open underneath/intermediate throws and execute at replacement level in the RPO game. Pair that with this defense and we can at least grind out a 9-3 type year that, while obviously a step back from the past couple years, isn't a setback.

Right now we're spiraling into the kind of 6-6/7-5, black saturday at the Cotton Bowl kind of territory that cedes some of the ground the program gained over the past few years. There is no downside.

 

A guy named James Brown beat ou as a true freshman in his first start. Just saying. 

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Oh Jesus, Texas-OU. Um yeah whatever it is we're gonna do at QB we need to figure it out before then. If Arch is rattled and in his own head at home against UTEP, that atmosphere in Dallas is gonna make his head explode.

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5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Prior to that, Manning had two wide open receivers and threw to neither of them, so that he could scramble around for awhile and eventually throw an INT.

Yep I saw that too, and there were other plays where Manning just missed his read or refused to throw it. It definitely puts Sark in a pickle. What do you call when your QB can’t execute easy reads? I think he should be prepared to pull him in the Florida game if it comes to that. I am hoping it doesn’t.

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My armchair diagnosis is that this is the first real adversity this kid Arch has ever experienced in his life. It's hit him fast and it's hit him hard and he's lost his confidence, which means hesitation, which means game-henning and throwing at people's feet. The good news is that it's come early against cup-cakes and he has an opportunity to save the season, slowly earn it back the hard / best way, so he really knows he can do the job, and his confidence doesn't leave him like that again.

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1 minute ago, SarkAfterDark said:

Yep I saw that too, and there were other plays where Manning just missed his read or refused to throw it. It definitely puts Sark in a pickle. What do you call when your QB can’t execute easy reads? I think he should be prepared to pull him in the Florida game if it comes to that. I am hoping it doesn’t.

He can't even execute no reads. We literally ran plays where all he had to do was just throw to a guy and he still missed. 

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I watched portions of 8-10 college football games yesterday. I’d start every qb I saw over Arch next week. Every one. And I’d probably start the top back up for each of those teams too. Including the Texas and Utep backups. 

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Just now, Dahobbs said:

He can't even execute no reads. We literally ran plays where all he had to do was just throw to a guy and he still missed. 

The closer the receiver is to the ball, the more likely he is to get the ball nowhere near him. The anti-Ewers.

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Comparing him to last season, it’s hard to isolate one part of his game that you can tell he “worked on” during the offseason. Fuck was he doing? 

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Posted
Just now, TexasExe14 said:

Manning or Swoopes? Choose your fighter

At this point I’m just waiting for a 3 interception game against a conference opponent to kick off the Garrett Gilbert comps

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29 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

What’s the point of watching Arch have another bad game. He’s going to magically do a 180 this week? I don’t buy it. I’d start Caldwell next week. He’ll need the reps for Fla and OU. 

I don't buy it either, but if it's not an injury then it's 100% a mental thing, that could, in theory, solve itself. Different than a QB who has never shown anything to be positive about. Of course, this could be a thing he can't shake in which case, we're proper fucked.

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11 hours ago, Thatguy said:

 He is having trouble seeing the field and therefore having trouble hitting moving targets

Well, maybe he should try throwing it through this--swinging--and on the run. They say it worked for some guy named Sammy Baugh . . .

Tire Swing.jpg

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Arch has the yips.

He needs to see a sports psychologist asap. Maybe even reach out to Simone Biles for advice and a referral.

The good news is this can be addressed but he and/or Sark needs to do so asap.

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54 minutes ago, Jersey Man10 said:

Maybe he took that advice about enjoying the college life a little too serious?

Women weaken legs……and apparently arms too

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12 hours ago, BigHornedLurker said:

No scheme is going to fix a qb that consistently throws the ball at people's feet. 

 

I disagree 100%. What if Sark outfitted the WR group with little people? And instead of having them run routes, just told them to go lay down on the turf somewhere. Manning’s pass completion percentage would soar.  

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Once they go over film together it will look much worse. Arch needs to find some outside help for his mindfuckery, and Sark needs to work quickly on longterm backup plans. 

The problems are undeniable and can't be shrugged off. That's the only "good" news about this debacle. 

 

 

This would assume they watch film.  After SJSU.  We saw the same issues the next week. 

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Just now, Sgt Hulk said:

This would assume they watch film.  After SJSU.  We saw the same issues the next week. 

He didn't play well two weeks ago, but clearly yesterday was WAY worse than SJSU game. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Nope said:

Comparing him to last season, it’s hard to isolate one part of his game that you can tell he “worked on” during the offseason. Fuck was he doing? 

Drinking at the Fiji house apparently. 

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1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

None of this makes sense, when you consider how great he played last year

 

Something changed over the past 9-10 months

This is what I don't get. He was nails last year in his 2 starts. Yeah those were weak opponents but so is UTEP. 

Either he's hurt (doubtful), he has the mental yips (likely), or his mechanics got fucked up over the offseason (who knows).

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1 hour ago, Helobious said:

Marcel Reed is a little better than Arch

Marceil is playing much better than Arch. 

Whatever is wrong with Arch, I think Sark has known about "it" for a while. The signing of Matthew Caldwell is the reddest of flags to me. If you want a veteran "just in case" QB, why not sign him before spring practice? The only reason a head coach panics and signs an insurance polciy like this is that he has a high-level of concern about his starter.

Well, it is time to take advantage of that insurance policy. Start Caldwell against SHSU and then he has the bye to get even more first team reps before UF. That gives Caldwell 2 starts before OU. 

We can't allow this shitshow to continue into SEC play. 

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