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15 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

If Buttigieg is Secretary of State, he’s qualified for POTUS.  He wouldn’t need a senate term or governorship.  Serving in 2 different cabinet positions in 2 different administrations is plenty for the resume.

It’s been a long time since anyone has gone from the cabinet to POTUS. He needs to run a race that isn’t a small town mayor 

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The very left of the Democratic Party still hates Pete. They would fall in line but it would stunt some of the overall enthusiasm if he was chosen as VP. It sucks but it is what it is. It's just not worth the risk to the Kamala campaign IMO when they know he can be so effective as a top surrogate.  

 

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1 minute ago, mdmost said:

They hate everything and purity test candidates to death. That's also why the very left will never win anything major. 

I agree. It's incredibly frustrating. 

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They hate everything and purity test candidates to death. That's also why the very left will never win anything major. 

They’re also the reason that Kamala probably will not pick this election’s cheat code: a bipartisanly popular governor from the likely tipping state. It’s madness.
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3 minutes ago, naija said:

It's also why Shapiro would come with some hesitance. I detest those people.

Counterpoint: Shapiro doesn't belong in the same tier as Buttigieg. He authorized state paid hush money for a sexual assault by one of his top staffers. He licked the heels of Elise Stefanik. He cracked down on peaceful protests at Penn by actual students of Penn. He's only been gov for 18 months. 

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The only thing about Shapiro I like is the likely state he would bring in. You cannot win this election without PA. 

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The only thing about Shapiro I like is the likely state he would bring in. You cannot win this election with PA. 

I don't think your need their governor to win the state. 

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9 minutes ago, naija said:

It's also why Shapiro would come with some hesitance. I detest those people.

In my petty dream scenario, Kamala wins Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and PA rendering all the whiny assholes in Michigan who plan to protest vote completely meaningless. 

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4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The only thing about Shapiro I like is the likely state he would bring in. You cannot win this election with PA. 

I agree about PA but Harris needs to win that on her own. PA/WI/MI will likely vote as a bloc yet again. If she can’t win PA, she’s not winning the other 2

Plenty of the candidates can speak to the WWC voters in those 3 states just as well as he can. Without his baggage and lack of a record 

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2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Counterpoint: Shapiro doesn't belong in the same tier as Buttigieg. He authorized state paid hush money for a sexual assault by one of his top staffers. He licked the heels of Elise Stefanik. He cracked down on peaceful protests at Penn by actual students of Penn. He's only been gov for 18 months. 

Yeah, I think Shapiro is the riskiest VP candidate on the list. Also the last thing we need is a VP nominee that Republicans will tie to the Israel/Palestine conflict. That is understandably such a hot bed issue and inviting that to be a bigger part of this election is bad for everyone. 

 

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Walz and Pete are just absolutely COOKING wrt messaging. I can't get enough of them out there on TV reminding the electorate who the adults are in the room.

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1 minute ago, Gourmand said:

Walz and Pete are just absolutely COOKING wrt messaging. I can't get enough of them out there on TV reminding the electorate who the adults are in the room.

Better surrogates than VPs. I think Walz has some juice for VP though. 

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6 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Counterpoint: Shapiro doesn't belong in the same tier as Buttigieg. He authorized state paid hush money for a sexual assault by one of his top staffers. He licked the heels of Elise Stefanik. He cracked down on peaceful protests at Penn by actual students of Penn. He's only been gov for 18 months. 

Does Pete not have his own baggage? McKinsey, Lobbyist funding, bad, bad polling with Black voters during his run.

None of these are slam dunks or one far above the other. If it were a debate and talking head competition, yeah Buttigieg is likely #1 as a choice; but that's not the world we have to play in.

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2 minutes ago, naija said:

Does Pete not have his own baggage? McKinsey, Lobbyist funding, bad, bad polling with Black voters during his run.

None of these are slam dunks or one far above the other. If it were a debate and talking head competition, yeah Buttigieg is likely #1 as a choice; but that's not the world we have to play in.

Buttigieg doesn't have baggage that isn't known and actually matters for credentials getting shit done. 

He's done an incredible job with transportation and it's biggest budget in decades. It cannot be understated how much he's changed so fast and how much he's deployed in a measurable and productive way. 

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52 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The problem to overcome is those that think cost of groceries = economy.

To be fair, for around 90% of the American voting public, cost of living IS the economy and Democrats have to do a better job of connecting to that for middle class people and not treating it as a poverty problem. Speaking of connecting:
 

 

47 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I do like this guy a lot. Don't run from your record of...checks notes...feeding school children. Not being a shitbag should be an asset.

 

I don't know if this guy will be the pick or not, but this dude is demonstrating connection like Richard Schenck



 

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8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I agree about PA but Harris needs to win that on her own. PA/WI/MI will likely vote as a bloc yet again. If she can’t win PA, she’s not winning the other 2

Plenty of the candidates can speak to the WWC voters in those 3 states just as well as he can. Without his baggage and lack of a record 

This.  Harris wins or loses this on her own.  If she pings black turnout in Atlanta, then it's also there in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee.  It's why I think she should pick Kelly, which would help with NV and AZ.  

I suspect Harris wins all of these states and wins fairy easily.  I predict they'll call the election with the polls close on the west coast.

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

Better surrogates than VPs. I think Walz has some juice for VP though. 

Yep, they both remind me a lot of what Howard Dean was doing for Dems during the Bush administration fiasco. He was a great messenger at the time, especially pushing back against Bush administration lies, even against a backdrop of mainstream media normalizing the ginned-up frenzy around the "Global War on Terror."

 

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9 minutes ago, immamac said:

Buttigieg doesn't have baggage that isn't known and actually matters for credentials getting shit done. 

He's done an incredible job with transportation and it's biggest budget in decades. It cannot be understated how much he's changed so fast and how much he's deployed in a measurable and productive way. 

Yeah working for McKinsey and quitting without going into private equity, running a business into the ground as CEO on behalf of private equity, or some other bullshit job is a plus in my book. I don't know what his favorables with Blacks in South Bend was but it's irrelevant as VP unless he'd make the same mistakes or the same issues are problematic on the national stage. He does a great job as spokesman. That said, of the known choices, I'm team Walz for now.

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

To be fair, for around 90% of the American voting public, cost of living IS the economy and Democrats have to do a better job of connecting to that for middle class people and not treating it as a poverty problem. Speaking of connecting:
 

 

I don't know if this guy will be the pick or not, but this dude is demonstrating connection like Richard Schenck



 

everytime the messaging is about how well the stock market is doing, I wonder if there is a lack of realization of just how many Americans do not actively participate in the stock market and aren't sitting down watching their 401K rise. It's this is what I spent in 2021 to buy bread, this is what I spend now. A difficult needle to thread, but sometimes it comes across as being dismissive of lived experiences 

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3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This.  Harris wins or loses this on her own.  If she pings black turnout in Atlanta, then it's also there in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee.  It's why I think she should pick Kelly, which would help with NV and AZ.  

I suspect Harris wins all of these states and wins fairy easily.  I predict they'll call the election with the polls close on the west coast.

PA's votes won't be tallied on election night because republickans voted to block counting of absentee ballots until after voting. It's part of their win-at-the-fascist-court-level strategy.

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This.  Harris wins or loses this on her own.  If she pings black turnout in Atlanta, then it's also there in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee.  It's why I think she should pick Kelly, which would help with NV and AZ.  
I suspect Harris wins all of these states and wins fairy easily.  I predict they'll call the election with the polls close on the west coast.

The election won’t be close. I’ll go with 65-35 nationwide. But, no red state will certify results and it’ll go to the House who will elect Trump.
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Just now, Firemans4Horn said:


let’s not start this doomsday shit

Yeah, plus it’s putt’s territory 

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1 minute ago, CooterBrown said:


The election won’t be close. I’ll go with 65-35 nationwide. But, no red state will certify results and it’ll go to the House who will elect Trump.

Then Republicans will get the Civil War they've been seeking. Oh look who is in charge of the military, not the Republicans. 

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1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

We are going to have lower grocery prices.  Beautiful grocery prices. There will be so many low grocery prices people will be coming to me begging, "stop, these grocery prices are too low we can't take this any more".

Interviewer: "Great, thanks. Moving on...."

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2 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

We are going to have lower grocery prices.  Beautiful grocery prices. There will be so many low grocery prices people will be coming to me begging, "stop, these grocery prices are too low we can't take this any more".

Grown men, with tears in their eyes, thanking me for lower grocery prices. 

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"One banana is like what, 10 dollars? This is crazy. We will have 5 dollar bananas, folks. Big, beautiful, very yellow bananas. We make the best bananas here and they're gonna be 5 or 6 bucks". 

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17 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

It's why I think she should pick Kelly, which would help with NV and AZ.  

 

I like Kelly and I like his resume, and he would be an ideal Presidential candidate to match up against a normie Republican like Nikki Haley, but I'd feel safer in this particular election with a VP Nominee who enjoys drawing blood with an audience the way an FFA sponsor enjoys castrating pigs in front of high school kids.

12 minutes ago, naija said:

everytime the messaging is about how well the stock market is doing, I wonder if there is a lack of realization of just how many Americans do not actively participate in the stock market and aren't sitting down watching their 401K rise. It's this is what I spent in 2021 to buy bread, this is what I spend now. A difficult needle to thread, but sometimes it comes across as being dismissive of lived experiences 

great post

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10 minutes ago, naija said:

I'm not sure why I think of Arizona as being almost as crazy and lost as Texas and Florida, culturally.... 

Democratic governor, Democratic senator, thankfully getting rid of the horrible Sinemia and probably getting another Democratic senator. It's more purple than the other 2 by far. Now, demographically has it gotten more red with invading MAGA shitbags? Remains to be seen. Gallego is leading Kari Lake in all of the polls. 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

He's total POTUS material once (if) we can get the electorate comfortable with a gay man in that office.  I'm not holding my breath, but hey, Obama got elected twice, so you never know.

blacks will vote black, but not gay.

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

As far as the electorate being comfortable with a gay candidate as either part of a presidential ticket- my initial thought is that more people would be comfortable with it if they were a single person that has come out as gay, but do not have a partner with which to hold hands or smooch on tv.  Does Pete have a partner?  It’s obviously completely unfair to ask that of a gay person running for high office, but is that the sacrifice the first openly gay president will have to make?  Or do we hope we (National electorate) can become better than that?

He's married with two children.

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Just now, mdmost said:

Democratic governor, Democratic senator, thankfully getting rid of the horrible Sinemia and probably getting another Democratic senator. It's more purple than the other 2 by far. Now, demographically has it gotten more red with invading MAGA shitbags? Remains to be seen. 

that's why I said I'm not sure why I think of it that way. Possibly because they generate similar crazy headlines in terms of legislation and "movements," and that skews my perception...

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20 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

We are going to have lower grocery prices.  Beautiful grocery prices. There will be so many low grocery prices people will be coming to me begging, "stop Sir, these grocery prices are too low we can't take this any more".

FIFY

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Texas going blue for top of ticket is not out of the realm of possibility with 65%+ turnout and very good turnout in the cities amongst the youth. 

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Texas going blue for top of ticket is not out of the realm of possibility with 65%+ turnout and very good turnout in the cities amongst the youth. 

THIS IS IT.
You are 100% correct and the only thing standing in the way of that is the institutionalized, multi-decade loserism of the Texas Democratic Party. Can you imagine if the Beto campaign from 2018 was running at this moment instead of Colin Allred's text-messaging campaign for bipartisan whatever and money please?

Texas can absolutely vote blue at a statewide level. All it takes is better organization in mid-size counties, which ... isn't available unless the candidate supplies it. 

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

Texas going blue for top of ticket is not out of the realm of possibility with 65%+ turnout and very good turnout in the cities amongst the youth. 

With an infinite number of universes and realities, nothing is out of the realm of possibility. But this universe and this reality? Not gonna hold my breath 

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36 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:


The election won’t be close. I’ll go with 65-35 nationwide. But, no red state will certify results and it’ll go to the House who will elect Trump.

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