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11 minutes ago, linux said:

Because national polls are more precise if Kamala was leading by 2 points and that is the end result then yeah sound the alarms, but a 7 point lead in the national polls after the 2016 demographic reorganization leads me to have certain thoughts about a blowout in the EC. Hillary only won the popular vote by 2 percent and was blown out, which is worse than in 2000 when Gore won by .5 percent and was close.

The system is still extremely fucked and probably getting worse, and the inability to change it to a popular vote is a massive failing from democrats, but we are where we are.

It’s the democrats’ fault that the republicans would never, ever, ever support an amendment to get rid of the electoral college?

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23 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

It’s the democrats’ fault that the republicans would never, ever, ever support an amendment to get rid of the electoral college?

I mean it has not stopped republicans from playing dirty and getting what they want, things like withholding funding from states unless the national compact passed the 270 mark would have been a good start.

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16 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh yeah he’s going to back out 

And back in when he realizes that he is so far behind in the polls he needs another miracle.

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6 minutes ago, linux said:

I mean it has not stopped republicans from playing dirty and getting what they want, things like withholding funding from states unless the national compact passed the 270 mark would have been a good start.

It almost happened once and could happen again: https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-nearly-abolished-thurmond

and the National Popular Vote interstate Compact could happen as well: https://apnews.com/article/maine-national-popular-vote-compact-2a345dc04d7e3937c4857577523a3a11

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6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Hasn’t Harris made it clear she will be there whether he shows or not? No way he can give her that much unopposed airtime 

The ABC moderators will focus on Harris and attack her from every angle to look "independent". 

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Hasn’t Harris made it clear she will be there whether he shows or not? No way he can give her that much unopposed airtime 

Nah he will back out, blame it on the network, and have his own garbage event on FOX or OAN or whatever garbage site will have him.
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1 minute ago, chad.ihrig said:


Nah he will back out, blame it on the network, and have his own garbage event on FOX or OAN or whatever garbage site will have him.

Problem with that is only people already voting for him will tune in. He needs to staunch the bleeding from the undecideds. I know around here you get the sense there is no such thing but if you talk to people in the real world they do exist 

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Posted
7 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

They are just wildly swinging in the dark hoping something lands.

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I will be shocked if Trump doesn't come out in favor of a federal abortion ban by November.  He's 100% transactional and has neither the memory of past statements nor the concern of contradicting previous platform statements.

1 hour ago, lemonlime said:

He just says whatever pops into his pea brain the moment he says it.   He doesn't care about if it's accurate or completely inconsistent with what he said 5 minutes ago, or what he'll say 5 minutes from now.  It's all just nonsense.  And his cult will keep voting for him, no matter what he or they say.

This is where the lack of a Karl Rove figure is hurting Trump a helluva lot.

Not that somebody like Rove could keep Trump in line, but there would probably be a lot less just shitting in his hand and flinging it around and seeing if anything sticks than there currently is.

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6 hours ago, tokamak said:

I’ll bet you a dollar that this guy shows up on Election Day and votes Trump without hesitation. 

Maybe. Hopefully. I just think that group has been so brainwashed that Democrats = evil that they’ll rationalize pretty much anything. 

Actually, that guy is one of a few hundred or few thousand evangelical types who won't vote for Trump - they will probably take a photo of their ballot/screen to show it, and then post it on social media.  They want the attention and to feel self-righteous/self-important.

These posts of mine have made quite a stir on social media over the past few weeks.

But upon further consideration…

I have decided to become worse.

I regret nothing and will continue loudly pounding this drum in the coming months.

You should too. Especially if you disagree.

Why? Let me explain.

No one paid me to say this. No one even asked me to say this. I simply rattled off my honest warning to the Trump campaign, after which hundreds, if not thousands, of other Christian voters organically echoed those same concerns.

I am not sitting out this election. I am casting a vote for every solid Republican with a meaningful level of opposition to child sacrifice.

But I will not cast votes for any Republicans who have compromised on this issue and who categorically refuse to establish equal protection for the preborn, and will especially not vote for those who are dragging the Republican Party leftward on the critical issue of abortion.

That unfortunately includes Trump.

If we evangelicals do not meaningfully oppose this leftward pivot on child sacrifice from Trump and other Republicans, we will be teaching them that they can betray what evangelicals say are our core values with zero consequences.

If you still plan to vote for Trump, even as you mourn over his stance on abortion, I can at least understand why. But over the next few months, instead of countersignaling and even openly blasting evangelical voters who believe otherwise, you should redirect your efforts toward warning Trump and the Republicans that their leftward shift on child sacrifice is alienating voters and will severely cost them at the ballot box.

The advent of mass child sacrifice heaps the righteous judgment of God upon our nation.

I would encourage you to read Leviticus 20:1-5, Psalm 94:16-23, Isaiah 1:12-20, and other passages that reveal the heart of God toward justice for the fatherless and his wrath toward any nation which murders their own children.

Why do you think we are seeing an invasion from foreigners, a constant threat of economic collapse, a flood of sexual degeneracy, and myriad other clear signs of national judgment? Because we have rejected the Kingship of Jesus Christ, especially by means of sacrificing millions of children to demons. Our national repentance must start with ceasing from the bloodshed.

That is why Christians must preserve our prophetic voice on this issue and leverage influence over our civil magistrates to establish justice for the fatherless. That is why we must constantly labor to remain politically active and to support sound Christian men who run for office. That is why we cannot render ourselves powerless in the public square by remaining an assumed voter bloc for the Republicans.

I refuse to reward betrayal with my vote.

You should not reward betrayal either.

May God grant repentance and heal our land.

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These types of evangelicals are like Crossfitters.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Hawndoh said:

That was about half the cast of Avengers: Endgame.

Are they talking about Thanos?

 

11 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

I realize this is a “fan made” ad but damn is it good.

 

Love this so tempted to send it to my parents 

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Posted
5 hours ago, HenryJames said:

These dumbasses have a booth out at the State Fair to hand out anti-Walz stuff, and they haven't been able to draw flies. 

Meanwhile, down the street at the DFL* booth, they sold out of 12 days worth of Harris/Walz buttons, shirts, and camo hats by dinnertime on Day 2. Any merch that the party got to the tent didn't stay in stock very long. 

*In Minnesota, DFL means more than finishing dead last. The official name of Tim Walz's party is the Democratic/Farmer-Labor Party. 

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22 minutes ago, chad.ihrig said:


Nah he will back out, blame it on the network, and have his own garbage event on FOX or OAN or whatever garbage site will have him.

Lindell TV

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8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Why do you think we are seeing an invasion from foreigners, a constant threat of economic collapse, a flood of sexual degeneracy, and myriad other clear signs of national judgment? Because we have rejected the Kingship of Jesus Christ, especially by means of sacrificing millions of children to demons. Our national repentance must start with ceasing from the bloodshed.

 

 

so fucking weird.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Satchel said:

He’s getting ready to bail on the debate.

 

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Oh yeah he’s going to back out 

 

46 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

He's scared.

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It not even like the debates fucking matter, it is just screaming the stupid bullshit and the MAGA side will declare him the winner regardless.

I have NEVER seen a real presidential debate in my lifetime, and never will, that they have devolved into literaly shitslinging is expected, that the shit slinger in chief is scared to do it in person instead of behind his fat twitter fingers is what is shocking.

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19 minutes ago, tx ind said:

He'll come down with "COVID" about 48 hrs ahead of the debate.

Checkmate libtard, "COVID" doesn't exist, it's just a fever dream that 5G Fauci came up with while he was making anti-Caucasian bioweapons in China.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

 

 

Definitely shot backstage at the Late Show with Stephen Colbert. Those were all guests of his last week when he was broadcasting in Chicago after the DNC. The Melania lookalike is Laura Benanti who had a recurring role on the show during the Trump admin. I posted her segment from last Tuesday in the DNC thread but here it is in case you missed it:

 

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6 hours ago, linux said:

It not even like the debates fucking matter, it is just screaming the stupid bullshit and the MAGA side will declare him the winner regardless.

I have NEVER seen a real presidential debate in my lifetime, and never will, that they have devolved into literaly shitslinging is expected, that the shit slinger in chief is scared to do it in person instead of behind his fat twitter fingers is what is shocking.

This is wrong. Trumps behavior towards Biden in their debate and the fallout absolutely hurt him in 2020. 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

This is wrong. Trumps behavior towards Biden in their debate and the fallout absolutely hurt him in 2020. 

I already mentioned this when it was happening, but it was a a panic attack more than an actual needle shift.

Let me put this in other words if Kamala came out with the exact same performance 2 weeks from now I doubt the needle would move at all. The candidates are set, people will reinforce their beliefs even if entering denial, and we would move exactly as we are today.

There are no knives being sharpened for her in the democratic camp.

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https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/08/26/scoop-the-secret-debate-about-the-trump-harris-debate-00176296?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0fd-dd93-ad7f-f8fde5bf0000&nlid=630318
 
IS THIS THING ON? — Last night, former President DONALD TRUMP posted on Truth Social, tearing into ABC News for a “This Week” panel he disliked (which Rachael happened to be on) and asking aloud whether he will go through with his scheduled Sept. 10 debate against VP KAMALA HARRIS. 
But behind the scenes, well before he clicked the “publish” button on that post, the two campaigns hit an impasse over the rules of the debate, according to four sources familiar with the issue.
The holdup? Whether or not the candidates’ microphones will be muted when it isn’t  their turn to speak.
 
Back when President JOE BIDEN was still running for reelection, his campaign came to an agreement with Trump’s: There would be two debates — CNN’s on June 27 and ABC’s on Sept. 10 — conducted by mutually negotiated rules. One of Biden world’s red lines — which the Trump team agreed to — was that microphones would “be muted throughout the debate except for the candidate whose turn it is to speak,” as CNN announced on June 15.
Now, the sides have flipped.
Harris’ campaign wants the mics to be hot at all times during the ABC debate, as has historically been the case at presidential debates.
 
“We have told ABC and other networks seeking to host a possible October debate that we believe both candidates’ mics should be live throughout the full broadcast,” BRIAN FALLON, the Harris campaign’s senior adviser for communications, told Playbook in a text message last night, confirming our reporting. “Our understanding is that Trump’s handlers prefer the muted microphone because they don’t think their candidate can act presidential for 90 minutes on his own. We suspect Trump’s team has not even told their boss about this dispute because it would be too embarrassing to admit they don’t think he can handle himself against Vice President Harris without the benefit of a mute button.”
It’s clear the veep’s team is hoping to get Trump to lose his cool on mic.
 
 
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“She’s more than happy to have exchanges with him if he tries to interrupt her,” one person familiar with the negotiations tells Playbook. “And given how shook he seems by her, he’s very prone to having intemperate outbursts and … I think the campaign would want viewers to hear [that].”
For its part, the Trump campaign sees this all as a bait-and-switch. They want the ABC debate governed by the CNN rules, according to two sources.
“Enough with the games. We accepted the ABC debate under the exact same terms as the CNN debate. The Harris camp, after having already agreed to the CNN rules, asked for a seated debate, with notes, and opening statements. We said no changes to the agreed upon rules,” JASON MILLER, senior adviser for Trump, told Playbook last night. “If Kamala Harris isn’t smart enough to repeat the messaging points her handlers want her to memorize, that’s their problem. This seems to be a pattern for the Harris campaign. They won’t allow Harris to do interviews, they won’t allow her to do press conferences, and now they want to give her a cheat-sheet for the debate. My guess is that they’re looking for a way to get out of any debate with President Trump.”
There are a few points here worth noting: 
The rules for the CNN debate were never agreed to by Harris’ campaign; they happened when Biden was still the candidate. 
Trump himself has sought additional debates with rules different from the CNN standard, including proposing a Fox News-hosted debate on Sept. 4 with “a full arena audience,” as Trump posted on Truth Social earlier this month. (The CNN debate had no in-person audience.)
In 2020, the Trump campaign wanted mics to remain on during the whole debate. “It is our understanding … that you will soon be holding an internal meeting to discuss other possible rule changes, such as granting an unnamed person the ability to shut off a candidate’s microphone,” Trump’s then-campaign manager, BILL STEPIEN, wrote to the Commission on Presidential Debates on Oct. 19, 2020. “It is completely unacceptable for anyone to wield such power. … This is reminiscent of the first debate in 2016, when the President’s microphone was oscillated, and it is not acceptable.”
As for Miller’s assertion that Harris wanted a seated debate with notes, Fallon pushed back vigorously. “All three parties (Trump, Harris and ABC) have agreed to standing and no notes, and we never sought otherwise,” he said. Another source familiar with the negotiations laughed when we asked if Harris ever asked to be seated, saying it wasn’t true. 
Moreover, we are told that at the time they accepted ABC’s invitation, the Harris campaign did so while making clear to the network that the rules themselves were up for debate. And if this current snag is any indication, that debate is far from settled.
 

 

This is absolutely the right call. Biden’s performance obviously generated the headlines, but it was equally obvious that the muted mics were a huge gift to Trump.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I mean, the Biden debate performance a few months ago was catastrophic and seismic. It completely changed the race and eventually forced him out. 

Which makes the Harris/Trump debate that much more important in the eyes of voters and overall public. 

 

Again I disagree, had he had his grandpa moment in the state of the union, or in an interview, or in a major speech it would have been the same. The debate in itself had absolutely nothing to do with it.

People are not logical, when you have a candidate like Trump who wants to end democracy the logical thing is to vote 100% for the opponent with perfect turnout. Instead we have hateful bigots in MAGA so we need to discard 45%, then we have the unwieldly Democratic tent at 55%.

Don't get me wrong Kamala IS the smart choice when dealing with ilogical actors, but at the same time you just have to feel contempt on how once again logic does not matter, how real debates (where evidence is presented and evaluated) really don't matter. Its all a god damn nihilistic reality TV show, you just have to deal with imperfect reality.

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“We have told ABC and other networks seeking to host a possible October debate that we believe both candidates’ mics should be live throughout the full broadcast,” BRIAN FALLON, the Harris campaign’s senior adviser for communications, told Playbook in a text message last night, confirming our reporting. “Our understanding is that Trump’s handlers prefer the muted microphone because they don’t think their candidate can act presidential for 90 minutes on his own. We suspect Trump’s team has not even told their boss about this dispute because it would be too embarrassing to admit they don’t think he can handle himself against Vice President Harris without the benefit of a mute button.”

When dealing with someone incredibly stupid you do reverse psychology. (Microphones OFF!)

When dealing with the above plus a narcissist you appeal to his frail masculinity (Microphones ON!)

How much lower can we go?

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17 minutes ago, linux said:

Again I disagree, had he had his grandpa moment in the state of the union, or in an interview, or in a major speech it would have been the same. The debate in itself had absolutely nothing to do with it.

This is wrong. That they were on stage together is what made it such a disaster. 

 

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Posted
53 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/08/26/scoop-the-secret-debate-about-the-trump-harris-debate-00176296?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0fd-dd93-ad7f-f8fde5bf0000&nlid=630318

 

 

 

 

 

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“She’s more than happy to have exchanges with him if he tries to interrupt her,” one person familiar with the negotiations tells Playbook. “And given how shook he seems by her, he’s very prone to having intemperate outbursts and … I think the campaign would want viewers to hear [that].”

For its part, the Trump campaign sees this all as a bait-and-switch. They want the ABC debate governed by the CNN rules, according to two sources.

“Enough with the games. We accepted the ABC debate under the exact same terms as the CNN debate. The Harris camp, after having already agreed to the CNN rules, asked for a seated debate, with notes, and opening statements. We said no changes to the agreed upon rules,” JASON MILLER, senior adviser for Trump, told Playbook last night. “If Kamala Harris isn’t smart enough to repeat the messaging points her handlers want her to memorize, that’s their problem. This seems to be a pattern for the Harris campaign. They won’t allow Harris to do interviews, they won’t allow her to do press conferences, and now they want to give her a cheat-sheet for the debate. My guess is that they’re looking for a way to get out of any debate with President Trump.”

There are a few points here worth noting: 

The rules for the CNN debate were never agreed to by Harris’ campaign; they happened when Biden was still the candidate. 

Trump himself has sought additional debates with rules different from the CNN standard, including proposing a Fox News-hosted debate on Sept. 4 with “a full arena audience,” as Trump posted on Truth Social earlier this month. (The CNN debate had no in-person audience.)

In 2020, the Trump campaign wanted mics to remain on during the whole debate. “It is our understanding … that you will soon be holding an internal meeting to discuss other possible rule changes, such as granting an unnamed person the ability to shut off a candidate’s microphone,” Trump’s then-campaign manager, BILL STEPIEN, wrote to the Commission on Presidential Debates on Oct. 19, 2020. “It is completely unacceptable for anyone to wield such power. … This is reminiscent of the first debate in 2016, when the President’s microphone was oscillated, and it is not acceptable.”

As for Miller’s assertion that Harris wanted a seated debate with notes, Fallon pushed back vigorously. “All three parties (Trump, Harris and ABC) have agreed to standing and no notes, and we never sought otherwise,” he said. Another source familiar with the negotiations laughed when we asked if Harris ever asked to be seated, saying it wasn’t true. 

Moreover, we are told that at the time they accepted ABC’s invitation, the Harris campaign did so while making clear to the network that the rules themselves were up for debate. And if this current snag is any indication, that debate is far from settled.

 

 

I take from this article that Trump wants a sit down debate, with notes, and he wants to give a canned speech to open 

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Posted
56 minutes ago, linux said:

I already mentioned this when it was happening, but it was a a panic attack more than an actual needle shift.

Let me put this in other words if Kamala came out with the exact same performance 2 weeks from now I doubt the needle would move at all. The candidates are set, people will reinforce their beliefs even if entering denial, and we would move exactly as we are today.

There are no knives being sharpened for her in the democratic camp.

Polls are literally changing by the week. This is just wrong 

Posted
1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Wat 

He's saying Joe didn't lose the debate, he lost Americas confidence in his ability to even basically function. 

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