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1 minute ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

 

 

This is as big a deal as you want to make it.  "The world is coming to an end because an old man went to sleep and missed a meeting."

Do you want it to be a big deal?  

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

But I thought Whitmer would be wiping the floor with Trump!???

It's a national poll.  How many people do you think know who Whitmer is at this point?  Hell, people here and most of us are paying attention.

And yet despite that, she's polling within a point of Newsome who everybody knows.  Give her a 3-month media blitz and see what happens.

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4 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

This is as big a deal as you want to make it.  "The world is coming to an end because an old man went to sleep and missed a meeting."

Do you want it to be a big deal?  

Would obviously vote for a corpse over Trump but it's not looking good election wise. As long as Biden tries his goodest I guess.

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28 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Some real classic Dem shit from the dumbest members of the party.

Yup. The other side rallies around their mentally feeble old man who yells nonsense at clouds, oh and who also supports fascism and doing away with elections, while the dems lose their shit over a bad debate because the guy is old, and are throwing out puting the VP at the top of the ticket, you know, the person who would become president anyway if the president's age does in fact become an issue. All because they're so damned concerned about those imaginary "centrists" and "moderates" who are going to vote trump or sit out anyway if they care that little about actual policies and things like the fucking US Supreme Court. I'm still not clear how many of the chicken littles on this thread are themselves considering sitting out the election because old or if its more concern that others will sit out or won't vote. I just am not all that concerned for those people because they probably were going to sit out anyway. Any "centrist" or "moderate" who gives a shit about democracy will vote for Biden even if it's not a perfect scenario. The rest were going to vote trump or sit out anyway, because they are obsessed with "both side," you know, morons.

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4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

It's a national poll.  How many people do you think know who Whitmer is at this point?  Hell, people here and most of us are paying attention.

And yet despite that, she's polling within a point of Newsome who everybody knows.  Give her a 3-month media blitz and see what happens.

I just don't see how you get Gretch on the ticket in a competent fashion.  All this talk of a rocket primary is fantasy. The Democrats couldn't get laid in a whore house on pay day and we are expecting them to have a primary without blowing themselves apart?  That's why it's almost certainly going to be Harris and some very anodyne Red State governor like John Bel Edwards or Roy Cooper. 

 

The only alternative I can come up with is the President drops our at the Convention, the whole thing is done behind closed doors, and you end up with Newsom or Gretch at the topic of the ticket, and Harris agrees to stand down for something else.

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The Dems need to just go ahead and nominate an 81 year old Benjamin Button so he actually gets younger and more lucid as the term goes on.  He'll be a young and virile 73 years old at the end of his 2nd term.

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30 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Please provide proof.

Look, I like her.  I cite her constantly as my 2028 pick.

But please explain all of her upside with nobody knowing dick about her 4 months before the election.  Especially one that 49 other states didn't get to pick as their nominee. 

Any non-Biden democratic candidate that comes out of the convention is going to get the type of media coverage that Trump had in 2016. It's something that hasn't happened in any of our lifetimes, and it's going to be big news. That takes care of the name recognition problem. And she already has recognition and popularity in key rust belt states that are required to win the election.

Compare that to Biden limiting his exposure and trying to hold on until November when he doesn't even have the lead. I would like any non-Biden democrat's chances of winning. I don't like Biden's chances at all.

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Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

That's fucking Brilliant.  Biden should leak a sex tape with him banging Stormy and showing how vigorous he can be.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

If only the Vietcong had fought fair...waah, waah

It's infuriating that some people still can't comprehend that we are fighting an asymmetrical war.  

Stop pretending this is a normal, pre-2016, election.

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If Biden insists on staying on the ticket then he needs to be out there at minimum 5 days per week.  If he's not willing to commit to that then they need to move on.  We need to whip that horse down the stretch and if he dies, he dies.  Then Harris is the definite nominee.

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1 hour ago, cattail said:

I feel that is Admiral McCraven could be convinced to run as a dem, he would destroy Trump and put an end to all this nonsense.

Saw him a couple months ago and he was looking much more spry.  A few times before that, you could tell the cancer treatments had taken a toll on him.  Still at 68, he physically and mentally blows Biden and Trump and everyone else outta the water.  But he made a pledge to his family not to run for politics so he could get into the grandbaby game.  He's already done all he can do to serve this nation, and done it with honor.  

Having said that, I wish he'd get a little more vocal even if was a keyboard warrior Op-Ed in the WaPo or CNN or something.  Other than his new book mini-tour, he hasn't spoken enough IMHO.  Again, he's done his duty...but this would be a critical time for him to get mixed up in some verbal fisticuffs with all this bullshit.  

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Sounds ridiculous but Hiden Biden banging Stormy and Stormy saying Hunter was better in bed than Trump would legit get Biden 100s of thousand more votes.

probably be the proverbial straw that causes Trumps stroke

Posted
1 hour ago, cattail said:

I feel that is Admiral McCraven could be convinced to run as a dem, he would destroy Trump and put an end to all this nonsense.

I wrote him in in 2016

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15 hours ago, closetohumping said:

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let’s go Joe!!

The only thing worse than losing to Trump in November is what it looks like we're going to get: a four month slog toward election day with the knowledge that we're going to re-elect a known treasonous crime lord, and that nothing that can be done to try to stop it will be done. FML. 

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1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

If Biden insists on staying on the ticket then he needs to be out there at minimum 5 days per week.  If he's not willing to commit to that then they need to move on.  We need to whip that horse down the stretch and if he dies, he dies.  Then Harris is the definite nominee.

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More importantly, Kamala needs to be out there with him at most appearances and given significant mic time for those who are concerned about Biden. Of course, she has already that her appeal isn't all that strong, but it needs to be done, and she needs to do well, as much or moreso than Biden at this point.

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2 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

The only thing worse than losing to Trump in November is what it looks like we're going to get: a four month slog toward election day with the knowledge that we're going to re-elect a known treasonous crime lord, and that nothing that can be done to try to stop it will be done. FML. 

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28 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yup. The other side rallies around their mentally feeble old man who yells nonsense at clouds, oh and who also supports fascism and doing away with elections, while the dems lose their shit over a bad debate because the guy is old, and are throwing out puting the VP at the top of the ticket, you know, the person who would become president anyway if the president's age does in fact become an issue. All because they're so damned concerned about those imaginary "centrists" and "moderates" who are going to vote trump or sit out anyway if they care that little about actual policies and things like the fucking US Supreme Court. I'm still not clear how many of the chicken littles on this thread are themselves considering sitting out the election because old or if its more concern that others will sit out or won't vote. I just am not all that concerned for those people because they probably were going to sit out anyway. Any "centrist" or "moderate" who gives a shit about democracy will vote for Biden even if it's not a perfect scenario. The rest were going to vote trump or sit out anyway, because they are obsessed with "both side," you know, morons.

It's almost as if none of this is a genuine effort by democrats to put forth the best candidate, which they have had ample time to do. It's almost as if the Republicans are trying to get the dems to take Biden(you know, the guy who successfully defeated Trump by a wide margin last time, despite the media doing nonstop coverage about how old and mentally incapacitated he was) off the ballot because they fucking know they aren't beating him.

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Just now, 'stache said:

More importantly, Kamala needs to be out there with him at most appearances and given significant mic time for those who are concerned about Biden. Of course, she has already that her appeal isn't all that strong, but it needs to be done, and she needs to do well, as much or moreso than Biden at this point.

I'd think this through a little more.  Kamala has big Ralph energy.

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Just now, Incredulity said:

I'd think this through a little more.  Kamala has big Ralph energy.

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Yes, we all know you and your ilk are thrilled to see Kamala's name pop up and be more in front. A bunch of dems agree for some reason, and it would be comical, if it wasn't the death of the republic on the line. 

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Just now, 'stache said:

Yes, we all know you and your ilk are thrilled to see Kamala's name pop up and be more in front. A bunch of dems agree for some reason, and it would be comical, if it wasn't the death of the republic on the line. 

There's the tell. The Republicans would love him off the ballot. They want it to be Kamala so badly. It's so much easier to smear a woman, and a black one at that. I've already seen fake shit about how she wasn't really born in America. They'd definitely bring back that old hit.

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Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

It's almost as if none of this is a genuine effort by democrats to put forth the best candidate, which they have had ample time to do. It's almost as if the Republicans are trying to get the dems to take Biden(you know, the guy who successfully defeated Trump by a wide margin last time, despite the media doing nonstop coverage about how old and mentally incapacitated he was) off the ballot because they fucking know they aren't beating him.

EDIT: Sorry, misread this post, I think we're on the same page.

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Posted
Just now, Pam Cummings said:

There's the tell. The Republicans would love him off the ballot. They want it to be Kamala so badly. It's so much easier to smear a woman, and a black one at that. I've already seen fake shit about how she wasn't really born in America. They'd definitely bring back that old hit.

except, I literally just made the point the Kamala would be a downgrade.

 

Posted
1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I can't speak to the motives of NYT opinion writers or billionaire donors, but I know there are millions of people like me who turned to their spouse after 10 minutes of debate watching and said "oh shit, Trump is gonna be President again."  Go back and read the debate game thread - there's no messaging psy-op there, no coordinated campaign from elites to choose a candidate, just a bunch of internet dorks reaching the same conclusion in real-time.

Brushing this all off as some deep state conspiracy is bordering on Alex Jones territory.

The only reason you thought that is because you've been programmed to think that democrats have to do everything perfectly in order to be successful while Republicans can just do or say literally anything they want and it doesn't matter. If that was the case Trump would have won the last election.

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

I cite her constantly as my 2028 pick.

Wait, are we allowed to believe that there will be elections in 2028 on the Doom Thread?

56 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

If a US voter is going to vote for Trump because "Biden" did poorly in a "debate" where Trump wasn't called out on his bullshit lies, then we are truly fucked as a country. Trump is an absolute piece of shit but we are worried about Biden. I don't think anyone on the Dem ticket is going to make "on the fence" voters think, "well, this person is ok so maybe I shouldn't vote for the piece of shit felon pedophile." At this point, if you are "on the fence", you are a Trump voter pretending not to be a Trump voter.

Screw it, maybe we are already truly fucked as a country. 

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Posted
13 hours ago, Captainant said:

We do have a better way: ranked choice voting. It's been in practice globally in other democracies, and has been successfully implemented in state elections here in the US. It consistently reduces extremism in the politics thanks to the voting structure meant to actually determine consensus, and not just playing political games

 

10 hours ago, bolverk said:

That's kind of how it worked out in France, where they hold elections in two rounds, unless an outright majority is reached in the first one. It gives people a chance a) to think about it and b) build coalitions to block dangerous extremists.

 

I think that rank choice voting should certainly be part of the discussion. But in this particular case, you could have rank choice voting in all 50 states for the primary, and Biden is likely still the nominee. And the Ds are in the same spot, likely with the same last minute maneuvering. RCV isn't just a magic wand. We have to break the grip of the two party system on the entire process. IMO, that starts with election funding mechanism and ballot access. There is probably a good place for RCV in the process. 

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Just now, Duane Moore said:

Wait, are we allowed to believe that there will be elections in 2028 on the Doom Thread?

This country can just cease to exist.  What a joke. 

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3 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

The only reason you thought that is because you've been programmed to think that democrats have to do everything perfectly in order to be successful while Republicans can just do or say literally anything they want and it doesn't matter. If that was the case Trump would have won the last election.

LOL, anyone not enamored with Biden and who doesn't see him beating Trump in his current state has been programmed?

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If you don't understand that voting for Biden isn't simply "I like Biden and I'm voting for him" but rather that he will put people in place to run an effective government, you probably weren't voting for him anyway.....

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Holy shit your reading comprehension sucks absolute balls.

try again.

Your claim is the Republicans are puppet mastering this thing because they fear Joey Jo-Jo. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

The only reason you thought that is because you've been programmed to think that democrats have to do everything perfectly in order to be successful

"minimally functional" would have more than sufficed 

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2 minutes ago, Goredho said:

LOL, anyone not enamored with Biden and who doesn't see him beating Trump in his current state has been programmed?

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But it's not a smear campaign!!! Republicans don't do this!!! The media doesn't do this!!!

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

RCV isn't just a magic wand. We have to break the grip of the two party system on the entire process. IMO, that starts with election funding mechanism and ballot access. There is probably a good place for RCV in the process. 

A big part of breaking the 2 party system is revoking our first past the post voting system that all but systemically mandates a 2 party system. Historically speaking, those two parties may change, but there's only ever two. 

 

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Shit, do we have a Sith situation on our hands?

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Posted
1 hour ago, cattail said:

I feel that is Admiral McCraven could be convinced to run as a dem, he would destroy Trump and put an end to all this nonsense.

Is this a dig at the man by calling him craven? or just a misforunate typo?

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A big part of breaking the 2 party system is revoking our first past the post voting system that all but systemically mandates a 2 party system. Historically speaking, those two parties may change, but there's only ever two. 
 
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Shit, do we have a Sith situation on our hands?

Yoda gave it his goodest shot, but he’s gonna go hide on Degobah until all the shit blows over.
Posted
1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

But it's not a smear campaign!!! Republicans don't do this!!! The media doesn't do this!!!

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What are you babbling about?  No one here is brainwashed by CNN.  People were posting their disdain for Biden's mentation in the debate thread in real time.  Are you really going with anyone who isn't an enthusiastic supporter of Biden is under the spell of the mainstream media?  Lumping CNN in with Fox and centrists with MAGA?

I think I need to make this my avatar.

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1 minute ago, Goredho said:

What are you babbling about?  No one here is brainwashed by CNN.  People were posting their disdain for Biden's mentation in the debate thread in real time.  Are you really going with anyone who isn't an enthusiastic supporter of Biden is under the spell of the mainstream media?  Lumping CNN in with Fox and centrists with MAGA?

I think I need to make this my avatar.

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You literally said all this shit last time. Biden is too old, he can't win. But he won though didn't he?

 

In what world is removing the incumbent candidate from the ballot for Kamala or some unknown person 4 month out of the election a smart political play?

 

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Just now, Pam Cummings said:

You literally said all this shit last time. Biden is too old, he can't win. But he won though didn't he?

 

In what world is removing the incumbent candidate from the ballot for Kalama or some unknown person a smart political play?

Given that Biden appears to be mentally incapable of handling the job...

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3 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

If you don't understand that voting for Biden isn't simply "I like Biden and I'm voting for him" but rather that he will put people in place to run an effective government, you probably weren't voting for him anyway.....

I look forward to being lectured on November 6th about how stupid the voting public is (accurate) when a literal corpse should have handily defeated Trump. With next to zero introspection about Democrats'/Biden's strategy to do their best to test that theory.

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Just now, aggie08 said:

I look forward to being lectured on November 6th about how stupid the voting public is (accurate) when a literal corpse should have handily defeated Trump. With next to zero introspection about Democrats'/Biden's strategy to do their best to test that theory.

Yep yep heard it last time too.



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