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24 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

It's clear form where AOC and other progressive lawmakers have stood that this push is more about self preservation and/or placating donors for centrist candidates. And AOC is correct in pointing out Biden's electoral strengths; the part of the Biden coalition that has held up is overrepresented in the most critical EC states. You can go a long way with black voters and educated/older white voters in the Rust Belt.

Too be fair, AOC and most progressives occupy comfortably safe seats; the incentives are different. I get it. It does feel a little dirty, though. Biden does not necessarily deserve this - although if he and his team have been making such comprehensive efforts to conceal Biden's ability to be present in the job, the blame is ultimately in the mirror. I believe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy now. The Biden campaign is mortally wounded. I don't see a path; fair or not, the age thing and fractures within the party are going to sink him if he is on the ballot in November.

I think you ascribe to AOC motives that may not, in reality, be so pure, and to her opponents motives that may not be so uniformly malign.  AOC wants power just like everyone else in Washington.  She clearly thinks it is to her advantage to have Biden in the White House rather than Harris, and in that I suspect she may be correct.  And to your point, she has no real downside.  Her seat will be one of the last 20 to fall to the GQP.  

As to "deserve," well--deserve's got nothing to do with it.  But if you want to talk about who deserves what, then yeah--Biden's team does deserve this.  Because Biden's team hid his condition from the public--and from the Democratic Party--for untold months.  This present kerfuffle is the natural consequence of their dishonesty.

And for his part, Biden doesn't get harmed by standing down.  He goes down in history as one of the most consequential presidents of the post-war era.  And friendly biographers will certainly ascribe his decision as being for the good of the country--the final sacrifice of a patriot.  His legacy would only be enhanced.  It'd be far better than losing, which seems a near-certainty if he doesn't withdraw.

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

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Yep, we are full on coaching search thread now 

Alright.  Let's fire up the Bonanzas and see what Flight Aware has to say.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Apologies, did not realize we were living in different realities.  Could have saved a lot of time in this back and forth.  Carry on.

Do you trust what the media is saying?

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Of course they support him, but all four of those people want him to drop out.

Unless they directly say it, the media suggesting that isn’t worth the paper it gets printed on.

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1 minute ago, Zonahorn said:

Do you trust what the media is saying?

Unless they directly say it, the media suggesting that isn’t worth the paper it gets printed on.

Those leaks don't happen unless those people want them to happen. See the very carefully worded Obama one.

If they were just all fabricated, you would see 100% forceful denials. As opposed to Pelosi saying "We just want Joe to make a decision." 

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36 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Nate Silver is legitimately a very good modeler/forecaster but he has some really out-there takes sometimes.

Nate Silver has been hired by PolyMarket (crypto-based betting market), which is owned by Peter Thiel

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Posted
1 minute ago, Zonahorn said:

Do you trust what the media is saying?

I trust that there is absolutely no way in hell prominent Democrats like Adam Schiff and Jamie Raskin make their statements without the blessing of leadership.  

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Look at this shit:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-ticket-we-can-win-on-jeffries-reverses-course-on-biden-ouster-calls/ar-BB1qiafa?ocid=BingNewsVerp

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House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries — the top Democrat in the House — backed the Biden-Harris presidential ticket in a radio interview, publicly reversing position from his private stance that Biden ought to exit the race.

“President Biden, as I've said repeatedly, is our nominee,” Jeffries said in an interview with WNYC’s Brian Lehrer. “He is one of the most accomplished American presidents in our history and he has the vision, I believe the ability, the capacity, and the track record to make a case to the American people that will result in us being successful in November.”

He publicly reversed his private position, and it was definitely his private position, trust me bro

Posted
5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

See, you're gonna get the worst of all worlds.

By this point, the Dems have done so much self-harm to their elected (that's right, the primary voters voted for him) candidate that he's so damaged that the prophecy is self-fulfilling: now, the only smart move is for him to drop out.

BUT....he isn't going to drop out.  So, against Donald Trump, we're going to run a candidate that we ourselves have completely undermined and destroyed.  Well-done, opposition party, well done.  Was the "shoot your own dick CLEAN OFF" package not available?

This, all day.  At this rate, we're going to be going into November with "Joe Can't Win" yard signs and t-shirts.

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The orange dumbass gives the worst / most unhinged presidential acceptance speech of all time and a monster IT outage hits the next day 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

 

the Trump story has been buried. now I’m curious if this outage has any North Korea ties 

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4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Nate Silver has been hired by PolyMarket (crypto-based betting market), which is owned by Peter Thiel

Didn't Nate also really fuck up his 2022 forecasts because he kept including garbage GOP push polls? 

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54 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Harris polls really well with younger voters, blacks, Latinos, and people who hate both Trump/Biden. She really should be the obvious choice here, and the Democrats would immediately make many of those battleground states tossups at the very least. It would become "The Prosecutor vs The Felon", and that's a pretty snazzy campaign phase that even the dullest of minds out there can understand. She doesn't have anywhere near the immense amount of baggage that Hillary carried with her into the 2016 campaign, and she should have a few months to make her case for America. I doubt Trump debates her though, but that may work in her favor. 

Prosecutor vs Felon

east vs west

White vs black

Women vs Man

Immigrant parents vs Rich slumlord parents

Reality TV vs Government worker

 

Lots of contrasts.

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Look at this shit:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-ticket-we-can-win-on-jeffries-reverses-course-on-biden-ouster-calls/ar-BB1qiafa?ocid=BingNewsVerp

He publicly reversed his private position, and it was definitely his private position, trust me bro

Just curious, but does anything stick out to you about this quote?  “The ticket that exists right now is a ticket that we can win on."

Because something certainly sticks out to me.

Again, ELEVEN congresspeople have come out against Biden publicly today.  That does NOT happen without blessings from above, period.

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7 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Just curious, but does anything stick out to you about this quote?  “The ticket that exists right now is a ticket that we can win on."

Because something certainly sticks out to me.

Again, ELEVEN congresspeople have come out against Biden publicly today.  That does NOT happen without blessings from above, period.

In the Democratic party it sure fucking can.

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5 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Trump needs to be asked if he’ll sign a nationwide abortion ban, by passing state rights ….

 

It's always been about controlling and punishing women.

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11 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I trust that there is absolutely no way in hell prominent Democrats like Adam Schiff and Jamie Raskin make their statements without the blessing of leadership.  

Pelosi and Schumer have always granted congressional and senatorial Democrats the ability to campaign as they see fit in order to win. Something Jefferies has continued. Congressional Democrats have their blessing to do whatever they think it takes to win their election. As for former speaker Pelosi herself: 

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/nancy-pelosi-slams-new-york-times-they-make-up-news/57034/

Senator Schumer:

 

I thought I saw something about the former speaker saying representative Schiff’s announcement was news to her, but I can’t find it right. I’ll add it later if I do

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Update from the Teamsters:

I’m grateful for the UPS contract we got, but playing footsie with fascists isn’t something I can support. Will be voting against SOB in the next round of union elections.

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The only poll that really matters is this:

you are in a car going 30 mph without brakes. You cannot do anything to stop the car. It’s headed for a cliff (300 foot drop) you have two choices: jump out of the car or stay in it and go off cliff.

Just you know start trying to attract voters that picked jump out of the car, i guess? 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

The only poll that really matters is this:

you are in a car going 30 mph without brakes. You cannot do anything to stop the car. It’s headed for a cliff (300 foot drop) you have two choices: jump out of the car or stay in it and go off cliff.

Just you know start trying to attract voters that picked jump out of the car, i guess? 

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Posted (edited)
33 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

The only poll that really matters is this:

you are in a car going 30 mph without brakes. You cannot do anything to stop the car. It’s headed for a cliff (300 foot drop) you have two choices: jump out of the car or stay in it and go off cliff.

Just you know start trying to attract voters that picked jump out of the car, i guess? 

The floated alternative by the Anti-Biden crowd are a mini-primary blitz followed by a committee choosing a candidate at the convention to be chaired by Oprah, Taylor Swift, Obama, or Hilary (SERIOUSLY, STOP LAUGHING) or a contested convention where the donors and party elite get to pick (FUCK OUR VOTERS EL-OH-EL). So, no, it isn't jumping out of a car or falling off a cliff. It's jumping out of a car into a spike pit because your passengers are screaming there might be a cliff ahead.

 

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We are at 35 Democratic members of Congress now. This one is very painful. The ones who don’t want to wait until Monday are doing it now. But this weekend will be a shitshow. Glad I still have 2/3 of a caramel. 

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4 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

The floated alternative by the Anti-Biden crowd are a mini-primary blitz followed by a committee choosing a candidate at the convention to be chaired by Oprah, Taylor Swift, Obama, or Hilary (SERIOUSLY, STOP LAUGHING) or a contested convention where the donors and party elite get to pick (TO SAVE DEMOCRACY). So, no, it isn't jumping out of a car or falling off a cliff. It's jumping out of a car into a spike pit because your passengers are screaming there might be a cliff ahead.

 

Team “Biden should quit” don’t seem to realize the risks. It’s not even remotely all upside.

Remember 2016, when the perception that the party had rigged the primaries to favor Hillary over Bernie led to lackluster November turnout? Trump beat that drum repeatedly and it was fucking effective. And in that case, Hillary actually won more delegates in the primaries. 

The “rigged convention” spin will be much easier here. No matter who gets the nod, there will be some sizable faction of Dem voters who won’t be happy. And Trump and the media will tell them over and over and over again that the Dems rigged it and appointed a hand-picked puppet through a secret, undemocratic, backroom deal. 

I get the concerns about Biden. But if he steps down, it’s going to be a PR nightmare to maintain enthusiasm and turnout.

This is a real clusterfuck and there’s no magic wand that will fix it.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

We are at 35 Democratic members of Congress now. This one is very painful. The ones who don’t want to wait until Monday are doing it now. But this weekend will be a shitshow. Glad I still have 2/3 of a caramel. 

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Guys, the fascists. They are standing RIGHT THERE.

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Team “Biden should quit” don’t seem to realize the risks. It’s not even remotely all upside.

Remember 2016, when the perception that the party had rigged the primaries to favor Hillary over Bernie led to lackluster November turnout? Trump beat that drum repeatedly and it was fucking effective. And in that case, Hillary actually won more delegates in the primaries. 

The “rigged convention” spin will be much easier here. No matter who gets the nod, there will be some sizable faction of Dem voters who won’t be happy. And Trump and the media will tell them over and over and over again that the Dems rigged it and appointed a hand-picked puppet through a secret, undemocratic, backroom deal. 

I get the concerns about Biden. But if he steps down, it’s going to be a PR nightmare to maintain enthusiasm and turnout.

This is a real clusterfuck and there’s no magic wand that will fix it.

Also fucking black voters over and telling them to get over it by skipping Harris. The Democratic party dies as a national party if it happens. Thankfully, it won’t:

Biden saving Democrats from themselves.

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4 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Team “Biden should quit” don’t seem to realize the risks. It’s not even remotely all upside.

Remember 2016, when the perception that the party had rigged the primaries to favor Hillary over Bernie led to lackluster November turnout? Trump beat that drum repeatedly and it was fucking effective. And in that case, Hillary actually won more delegates in the primaries. 

The “rigged convention” spin will be much easier here. No matter who gets the nod, there will be some sizable faction of Dem voters who won’t be happy. And Trump and the media will tell them over and over and over again that the Dems rigged it and appointed a hand-picked puppet through a secret, undemocratic, backroom deal. 

I get the concerns about Biden. But if he steps down, it’s going to be a PR nightmare to maintain enthusiasm and turnout.

This is a real clusterfuck and there’s no magic wand that will fix it.

the only magic wand is to rewind and not douse your guy with gasoline and set him on fire when he does what you think are "unelectable" things. Republicans may be idoits but they are terribly effective competitors.

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2 minutes ago, troph said:

the only magic wand is to rewind and not douse your guy with gasoline and set him on fire when he does what you think are "unelectable" things. Republicans may be idoits but they are terribly effective competitors.

With love and respect- woman, do not gaslight me.
The White House kept the president out of the public eye for months prior to the debate, and while we can only speculate about the reason why, the plain truth is that he is now doddering to the extent that we can be sure he cannot fulfill the requirements of the office for much longer or at all. 
Of course he is better than Trump. But we are not circling the wagons or denying the inconvenient truth if we can find a better option. If you want denial and cynicism, you can go back to the GOP from whence ye came. 

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48 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

With love and respect- woman, do not gaslight me.
The White House kept the president out of the public eye for months prior to the debate, and while we can only speculate about the reason why, the plain truth is that he is now doddering to the extent that we can be sure he cannot fulfill the requirements of the office for much longer or at all. 
Of course he is better than Trump. But we are not circling the wagons or denying the inconvenient truth if we can find a better option. If you want denial and cynicism, you can go back to the GOP from whence ye came. 

That’s another magic wand.  Decline last year before the primaries. 

I only mention the magic wand the least far back in time. And my use of the world “only” was inaccurate. 

another magic wand is decline to run a second term from the get go.

What do all three magic wands have in common?

it’s too late.

We can rank those in reverse order with the farthest back in time the best and the nearest in time the worst but all of these magic wands imo would be better than what could happen here. And maybe it works out but I’m really, really worried the turbo fucking is just getting started. Not because Harris can’t do it but because the Dems are expert turbo fuckers.

we have only one option now though, Harris. 

and yeah I do believe the dems need to learn to be more cut throat and the pubs have that down pat. 

 

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Man this situation is getting brutal. The Democrats are spontaneously combusting. They’ve got about three days to get control of their scene. 

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2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Man this situation is getting brutal. The Democrats are spontaneously combusting. They’ve got about three days to get control of their scene. 

Expert turbo fuckers. most consequential election in our gen x lifetime and the fucking boomer dems don’t even know what to do with their dicks in their hands. It’s a colossal disaster right now. 

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7 minutes ago, troph said:

Expert turbo fuckers. most consequential election in our gen x lifetime and the fucking boomer dems don’t even know what to do with their dicks in their hands. It’s a colossal disaster right now. 

What did you expect?

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Posted
1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

Trump needs to be asked if he’ll sign a nationwide abortion ban, by passing state rights ….

 

The one thing about MAGA that has an iota  of validity is that the people in power don’t give a shit about normal people.

What I can’t understand is how they think the left controls things and the cabal at the top is a bunch of monied Jew leftists.

I know rich people. I’ve met wealthy folks. They’re mostly (I say mostly bc my circle has mostly been in Texas) right wing people who want taxes low and could give a shit about anything else. The 2 billionaire Christian nationalists in west Texas aren’t the norm in my experience.

What I can’t understand is guys like this who are so out of touch and yet so basic in the eyes of the true power brokers of their party that somehow feel emboldened or ‘in the know’

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49 minutes ago, troph said:

the only magic wand is to rewind and not douse your guy with gasoline and set him on fire when he does what you think are "unelectable" things. Republicans may be idoits but they are terribly effective competitors.

What the Dem leaders are doing right now to Biden. You cannot expect to win if you continue to destroy your own candidate. The other side doesn’t need to lift a finger and they won’t because they would rather face Biden than an unknown ticket. They don’t even need to buy ads right now. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What did you expect?

At least a nice dinner before the turbo fucking. Maybe a show as well. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Prosecutor vs Felon

east vs west

White vs black

Women vs Man

Immigrant parents vs Rich slumlord parents

Reality TV vs Government worker

 

Lots of contrasts.

Roe vs. Wade

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

What the Dem leaders are doing right now to Biden. You cannot expect to win if you continue to destroy your own candidate. The other side doesn’t need to lift a finger and they won’t because they would rather face Biden than an unknown ticket. They don’t even need to buy ads right now. 

It’s too late. And yeah Biden shoulda stepped down a while ago and the admin lied to selfishly attempt to retain staffer power but shit it doesn’t matter now it all happened and it’s too late. 

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