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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Instead, Twitter has come up with a cool device that you physically scan over your screen, and it will take you to the article.....

I had one of those CueCats and used it for a few years to catalog books, CDs, DVDs, etc.

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incredible

https://decrypt.co/223265/elon-musk-asks-why-vitalik-buterin-left-twitter

this is the founder of ETH who is using TWTR less and less and the guy really hits the nail on the head

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But look no further than comments Buterin made just days ago at ETH Taipei on the subject to get your answer: the crypto developer finds the people on Twitter (Musk included?) flat-out irritating. 

Twitter is the place where all the people are, but it's also the place where all the really annoying people are,” Buterin said when asked about his decreasing reliance on the social network.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, NoName said:

incredible

https://decrypt.co/223265/elon-musk-asks-why-vitalik-buterin-left-twitter

this is the founder of ETH who is using TWTR less and less and the guy really hits the nail on the head

 

I find Twitter outside of sports is just a dog shit place since Elon took over. The pay for check mark has been detrimental to coverage and such. Gives too many people priority on subjects to push dog shit narratives. 

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9 hours ago, F250 said:

I saw a Cybertruck in the wild for the first time today. It really is underwhelming. The body was really dull looking. It looked like a DeLorean with a low T count.

Saw a wrapped black one today... looks just as putrid except the wrap makes it look plastic.  It is awful.

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Not in the theme of the thread, but I got upgraded to FSD 12.3 on Saturday.  I have used it for six trips so far involving rural roads, highway driving, construction zones, city driving, and stop and go traffic.  It performed extremely well and feels much smoother and more natural like a human driver.  This version isn’t just an incremental  improvement.   It is a significant jump in performance, and IMHO lives up to the hype.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, NoName said:

incredible

https://decrypt.co/223265/elon-musk-asks-why-vitalik-buterin-left-twitter

this is the founder of ETH who is using TWTR less and less and the guy really hits the nail on the head

 

 

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I find Twitter outside of sports is just a dog shit place since Elon took over. The pay for check mark has been detrimental to coverage and such. Gives too many people priority on subjects to push dog shit narratives. 

These.  Imagine a bar or club that you like to go to.  One of the primary reasons is "I like the crowd."  Whether it's pretty girls you're looking for, or real sports fans, or whatever the vibe of said place is, "the crowd" is a big part of the appeal.  Now, think of places over your life that either always had or changed to having a shitty crowd.  A crowd of assholes and douchebags and such.  "Hey Brisket, you wanna go to the Twitter bar tonight?"  "What, the bar that's full of assholes yelling about random insane shit, other assholes trying to pick fights, and a bunch of other assholes actively selling Amway and gummies?  Yeah....no thanks."

Such sites are not their software.  They are not their features.  They are the community of users.  Lose that community?  You've lost the site.  Ask the owner of some Eskimo Huts.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

These.  Imagine a bar or club that you like to go to.  One of the primary reasons is "I like the crowd."  Whether it's pretty girls you're looking for, or real sports fans, or whatever the vibe of said place is, "the crowd" is a big part of the appeal.  Now, think of places over your life that either always had or changed to having a shitty crowd.  A crowd of assholes and douchebags and such.  "Hey Brisket, you wanna go to the Twitter bar tonight?"  "What, the bar that's full of assholes yelling about random insane shit, other assholes trying to pick fights, and a bunch of other assholes actively selling Amway and gummies?  Yeah....no thanks."

Such sites are not their software.  They are not their features.  They are the community of users.  Lose that community?  You've lost the site.  Ask the owner of some Eskimo Huts.

I should also add in that the bots and porn bots are way worse since then as well too.

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48 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Not in the theme of the thread, but I got upgraded to FSD 12.3 on Saturday.  I have used it for six trips so far involving rural roads, highway driving, construction zones, city driving, and stop and go traffic.  It performed extremely well and feels much smoother and more natural like a human driver.  This version isn’t just an incremental  improvement.   It is a significant jump in performance, and IMHO lives up to the hype.  

 

 

I genuinely hope that Tesla gets FSD done right, and it becomes standard on most vehicles. I really think that within our lifetimes that we could see a dramatic reduction in traffic fatalities. 

With that said, I would not put myself or my family in a FSD vehicle from Tesla yet. I'm glad you're beta testing it, but it has a ways to go before people like me feel comfortable with it. 

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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

Not in the theme of the thread, but I got upgraded to FSD 12.3 on Saturday.  I have used it for six trips so far involving rural roads, highway driving, construction zones, city driving, and stop and go traffic.  It performed extremely well and feels much smoother and more natural like a human driver.  This version isn’t just an incremental  improvement.   It is a significant jump in performance, and IMHO lives up to the hype.  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I still have a major problem with a vision only driving model. There is not enough data to safely navigate around other independent agents 

I don't know anything about any of this, but curious why a vision only driving model is insufficient.  Isn't that what humans have?

I'm all for doing BETTER than humans, but if we can do just as good, then that is a solid start.

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Just now, HookEm said:

I don't know anything about any of this, but curious why a vision only driving model is insufficient.  Isn't that what humans have?

I'm all for doing BETTER than humans, but if we can do just as good, then that is a solid start.

Humans have a vision only driving model....and a hellacious processor running all kinds of soft inputs behind it.  E.g., I make driving decisions based on head movement and eye direction of other drivers (that dude is turning his head, he's about to change lanes).  FSD of ANY sort can't do that.

And practically speaking, humans are going to expect robots to drive MUCH better than humans.  "Just the same as humans" won't pass muster in the market, because human drivers kill a shitload of people.  If we turn the job over to robots and they kill the same amount of people....we'll start killing robots in a rage.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Humans have a vision only driving model....and a hellacious processor running all kinds of soft inputs behind it.  E.g., I make driving decisions based on head movement and eye direction of other drivers (that dude is turning his head, he's about to change lanes).  FSD of ANY sort can't do that.

And practically speaking, humans are going to expect robots to drive MUCH better than humans.  "Just the same as humans" won't pass muster in the market, because human drivers kill a shitload of people.  If we turn the job over to robots and they kill the same amount of people....we'll start killing robots in a rage.

I don't disagree that humans use quite a bit more than vision only while operating a vehicle.  There's some intuition and experience that contributes to the decision making of a human driver, but let's not pretend that we as humans drive with perfect information and understanding of what other drivers around us are doing, or that that information can't be synthesized from other data.  

Just this morning, the car reacted beautifully to a driver who quickly changed lanes in front of me.  I saw what was happening, and before I could react, the car was already taking appropriate action. 

The current FSD version no longer relies on 300K+ lines of C++ code and is based on AI that has "learned to drive" by observing countless hours of safe human drivers.  A lot of the intuition that we gained through years of individual driving experience has now been duplicated in the training of this AI model.  Not only that, but the AI has orders of magnitude more driving "experience" to draw from than the average human.  It also has constant 360 degree visual input to feed this model.  A lot of things that we intuit based on experience might be able be replaced by actual visual data and better-than-human response times.

I'm hedging a bit, because vision-only with AI could end up being a dead end, but my initial experience is very positive.

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19 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I'm hedging a bit, because vision-only with AI could end up being a dead end, but my initial experience is very positive.

you are going to have to believe me and everyone else here - vision only is a dead end. not enough inputs. there is a reason that every other company on the planet going down this direction is going down it with multiple inputs not vision only.

Tesla literally cannot hit Level 5 Self Driving with their current setup. they can call it whatever they want, but it is not possible from a technical standpoint.

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Any good engineering that takes place at SpaceX, Tesla, or Neurolink, happens in spite of, and not because of, Musk.

One could argue that the less time Musk has to bother the engineers, the better. In that limited sense, it's a good thing Musk spends so much time vying for the adulation of incels online.

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52 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

 

Just this morning, the car reacted beautifully to a driver who quickly changed lanes in front of me.  I saw what was happening, and before I could react, the car was already taking appropriate action. 

 

sounds very useful for you and wives everywhere 

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4 hours ago, hornian said:

With that said, I would not put myself or my family in a FSD vehicle from Tesla yet. I'm glad you're beta testing it, but it has a ways to go before people like me feel comfortable with it. 

I’d prefer it not be beta tested on roads with people on or around them. 

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I’d prefer it not be beta tested on roads with people on or around them. 

And I'd prefer we not beta test teenage drivers on roads with people on or around them.  Or beta test drivers over 75.  Or beta test drivers with over 0.05 BAC.  Or beta test driving while texting.

There are much more significant and common risk factors on our roads than drivers using FSD.

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2 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

And I'd prefer we not beta test teenage drivers on roads with people on or around them.  Or beta test drivers over 75.  Or beta test drivers with over 0.05 BAC.  Or beta test driving while texting.

There are much more significant and common risk factors on our roads than drivers using FSD.

...right now. 

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19 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

There are much more significant and common risk factors on our roads than drivers using FSD.

Those drivers using FSD trust a system that relies on cameras, pushed by a guy who tweets some of the dumbest and most juvenile shit imaginable.  

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21 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

There are much more significant and common risk factors on our roads than drivers using FSD.

this should just become your profile pic at this point.

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i get the point you are trying to make, but if you don't think its a problem to beta test self driving software, which only is using cameras + AI, on the roads in general - i think we are going to have to continue to agree to disagree

this isn't a "it's bad for drunk people to drive" discussion, it's a "beta testing full self driving on the roads is bad" discussion.

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Has anyone put a Texas DPS official in the passenger seat with one of these self-driving cars and, with no assist from the owner, tested the car to see if it could pass? Also, does the self-driving software enable the vehicle's cameras to look right before turning right because I've almost been killed (pedestrian/runner) numerous times had I not noticed the driver wasn't looking my way. That's all I got.

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9 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Has anyone put a Texas DPS official in the passenger seat with one of these self-driving cars and, with no assist from the owner, tested the car to see if it could pass? Also, does the self-driving software enable the vehicle's cameras to look right before turning right because I've almost been killed (pedestrian/runner) numerous times had I not noticed the driver wasn't looking my way. That's all I got.

Based on my experience, FSD 12.3 would pass a standard driving test.  I'd love to see someone do a Youtube video of that.

Due to the camera placement, the vehicle has better visibility around corners than a human in the driver seat does.  Not to mention that FSD is almost to a fault overly cautious of pedestrians.  If a Tesla almost ran you over, it wasn't in FSD mode.

  

 

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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

And I'd prefer we not beta test teenage drivers on roads with people on or around them.  Or beta test drivers over 75.  Or beta test drivers with over 0.05 BAC.  Or beta test driving while texting.

There are much more significant and common risk factors on our roads than drivers using FSD.

Because other things may be unsafe, *my* thing is not unsafe?

Am I following the logic here?

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7 minutes ago, choripan said:

Because other things may be unsafe, *my* thing is not unsafe?

Am I following the logic here?

No... the logic is that all of those things I listed are much more common concerns on the road than another driver using FSD.  There are only 400,000 cars in all of North America that have FSD.  Your likelihood of being on the road with a Tesla driver using FSD is pretty damn low.

It's analogous to being overly concerned about sharks at the beach while not caring much about rip currents.

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28 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Due to the camera placement, the vehicle has better visibility around corners than a human in the driver seat does.  Not to mention that FSD is almost to a fault overly cautious of pedestrians.  If a Tesla almost ran you over, it wasn't in FSD mode.

 

To be clear, I don't usually note the make and model when having these experiences while out and about; it was a general comment.

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1 minute ago, Guadaloopy said:

No... the logic is that all of those things I listed are much more common concerns on the road than another driver using FSD.  There are only 400,000 cars in all of North America that have FSD.  Your likelihood of being on the road with a Tesla driver using FSD is pretty damn low.

It's analogous to being overly concerned about sharks at the beach while not caring much about rip currents.

I prefer to worry about rip currents, sharks, and (lately) especially orcas.

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32 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Based on my experience, FSD 12.3 would pass a standard driving test. 

In ideal conditions. 

 

33 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I'd love to see someone do a Youtube video of that.

I'd love to see TSLA stand up to the SAE testing to validate their claims, but theyve found a market to get people to pay ten thousand dollars to be a guinea pig so they're prolly gonna keep charging the useful idiots

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4 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Does it count as a war crime to provide material support to Russia's war efforts? Or is it just a regular crime?

General Motors would say it is not a crime.

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2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Your likelihood of being on the road with a Tesla driver using FSD is pretty damn low.

I’m in Austin, so it’s pretty damn high.  

Probably equal to my chances of encountering somebody in a Subaru blaring Tracy Chapman, the Foo Fighters, or Bob Marley.

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1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

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Assortative mating = Eugenics

Who's got that on their bingo card?

His assertion that there's been a massive rise in exceptionally smart people recently seems to fly in the face of the even larger amount of data present in the form of social media.

Yet he thinks we'll all be Big Head Bighetti in the future.

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The top post when you click on the "Francis Scott Key" trending topic on X 

Actual Biden quote she posted if you click on the link: "At about 1:30 a container ship struck the Francis Scott Key bridge, which I've been over many, many times, commuting from the state of Delaware either by train or by car". 

 

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4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The top post when you click on the "Francis Scott Key" trending topic on X 

 

Of course and most who view that clip will not go and watch the entire five(!) minute talk to understand the context of that because...reasons.

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10 hours ago, HookEm said:

I don't know anything about any of this, but curious why a vision only driving model is insufficient.  Isn't that what humans have?

I'm all for doing BETTER than humans, but if we can do just as good, then that is a solid start.

 

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The top post when you click on the "Francis Scott Key" trending topic on X 

Actual Biden quote she posted if you click on the link: "At about 1:30 a container ship struck the Francis Scott Key bridge, which I've been over many, many times, commuting from the state of Delaware either by train or by car". 

 


Elon in the replies, “this is why I’m voting for Donald Trump.”

 

probably. 

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11 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I should also add in that the bots and porn bots are way worse since then as well too.

 

I don't mind the porn bots :) .... my wall is inundated with right wing politics. My "following" tab leaves out tweets from people I follow and fills with with right wing bullshit, doesn't matter how many time I select not interested I still get them. The "for you" tab has even more maga bullshit and now, when you click on tweet to see comments... its nothing but blue check mark accounts less then a year old spamming some crap. Elon has ruined twitter

 

The cyber truck is the ugliest vehicle ever to hit the road, it looks like something out a cheap cheesy 80s sci fi movie

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