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19 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

One thing that cracks me up, though, is it is scurrilously bad to paint with an overbroad brush on Muslims, but perfectly A-Ok to do the same thing about "Christians," who have a lot of the same problems, with less violence, and are probably more diverse from a "who calls themselves Christian" standpoint.

This feels like the same energy as people who rail on about "anti-white racism"

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36 minutes ago, softlynow said:

I’m just reminding y’all that there’s less homogeneity left of center than we’d like on even the issues we’d most like to prioritize. 

Nobody ever claimed the "left of center" voting block is homogeneous.  There are always outliers.  To imply that all liberals are scared of Muslims is fucking ridiculous, full stop.

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50 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:


Good. Bring the pain. I have family members that rely on government assistance and voted for this. It’s time for their comeuppance.

 

25 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:


They’ll just blame the Dems, as always.

I'm guessing less than 2% of voters will change their vote, regardless of how any of this affects them. Our country is broken, and it will take years to fix it, if it ever can be fixed

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

So you're scared of Muslims?

I'm not a liberal.

17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Nobody ever claimed the "left of center" voting block is homogeneous.  There are always outliers.  To imply that all liberals are scared of Muslims is fucking ridiculous, full stop.

Liberal Islamophobia is not a fringe element. It is pervasive in our society, and liberals are certainly not immune. Yes, obviously it is worse and amplified among conservatives and liberal politicians (who are largely conservatives themselves). I linked you a very good resource to learn about this from a respected academic who has spend decades studying it but, again, I suspect you have no interest in learning anything beyond your current point of view.

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33 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

This feels like the same energy as people who rail on about "anti-white racism"

The Islamic religion has a lot of problems that make many of its adherents problematic.

The precise same thing can be said of Christians, and the problems are very similar in origin (ancient texts selectively interpreted by uneducated clerics and followed slavishly by uneducated adherents).

The difference being that often, practitioners of Islam are brown, while practitioners of Christianity are white.  But even this isn't really true so much anymore.

And Islam is not a minority religion.

It's kind of like what is actually antisemitic and what is legitimate criticism of Israel.  Curiously, hardly anyone levels criticism at Judaism, per se.

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8 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Liberal Islamophobia is not a fringe element. It is pervasive in our society, and liberals are certainly not immune. Yes, obviously it is worse and amplified among conservatives and liberal politicians (who are largely conservatives themselves). I linked you a very good resource to learn about this from a respected academic who has spend decades studying it but, again, I suspect you have no interest in learning anything beyond your current point of view.

Thanks, Dad.  I'm comfortable in my skin and I cannot think of one person in my circle who is scared of Muslims.  Quite a few in that circle are Muslims themselves.  This is obviously a white knight issue for you but you are flat fucking wrong to paint with that broad brush.

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Thanks, Dad.  I'm comfortable in my skin and I cannot think of one person in my circle who is scared of Muslims.  Quite a few in that circle are Muslims themselves.  This is obviously a white knight issue for you but you are flat fucking wrong to paint with that broad brush.

Ok, Rex. Your personal anecdotes ARE more important.

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9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The Islamic religion has a lot of problems that make many of its adherents problematic.

The precise same thing can be said of Christians, and the problems are very similar in origin (ancient texts selectively interpreted by uneducated clerics and followed slavishly by uneducated adherents).

The difference being that often, practitioners of Islam are brown, while practitioners of Christianity are white.  But even this isn't really true so much anymore.

And Islam is not a minority religion.

It's kind of like what is actually antisemitic and what is legitimate criticism of Israel.  Curiously, hardly anyone levels criticism at Judaism, per se.

I mean yeah, all religious fundamentalism has this problem, including orthodox Judaism. Read about Kach and Baruch Goldstein sometime. That's not something you would ever learn about in Western curricula.

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22 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Lolol here it is

 

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Wearables in less than 4 years


Wearables have been a tremendous thing for type 1 diabetics. They’re expensive without health insurance and have a lifespan of only 2 weeks.

As a T1D, the pancreas is defective and does not produce insulin; you have to inject it. The question is: how much insulin do I need? 

The traditional solution is to puncture your finger tops with a blade, squeeze a drop of blood on a test strip, put the test strip into a small device, and the device reports your blood sugar. That’s a lot of gear to carry around all the time and your fingertips get worn badly after 3-4 tests everyday over the years. 30 years in my case.

The wearable solution is to attach a device to your tricep area that pairs with an app on your phone. I can open the app and get my blood sugar at any time. It can send me alerts if I’m at risk of low blood sugar.  It can show me day over day trends using graphs and charts.  I discovered I have a thing called the “dawn effect” when my blood sugar is normal overnight and starts rising when it’s morning even though I haven’t eaten anything.

A manual test 3-4 times a day simply can’t do any of this.

There are drawbacks: it’s expensive if your health insurance doesn’t cover it, the device has a lifespan of only two weeks, the adhesive makes my arm break out in a rash so I spray some allergy spray on the skin before adhering the device, it’s too easy to bump off doing normal stuff.

 

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23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's kind of like what is actually antisemitic and what is legitimate criticism of Israel.  Curiously, hardly anyone levels criticism at Judaism, per se.

Judaism, at least in America, tends not to constantly point out that if you aren't part of their club you are totally fucked in this life and the next.  If that was the case there would be lots more antisemitism here than there is.  

Israel profoundly fucked up their response in Gaza. 

Repercussions.

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41 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The Islamic religion has a lot of problems that make many of its adherents problematic.

The precise same thing can be said of Christians, and the problems are very similar in origin (ancient texts selectively interpreted by uneducated clerics and followed slavishly by uneducated adherents).

The difference being that often, practitioners of Islam are brown, while practitioners of Christianity are white.  But even this isn't really true so much anymore.

And Islam is not a minority religion.

It's kind of like what is actually antisemitic and what is legitimate criticism of Israel.  Curiously, hardly anyone levels criticism at Judaism, per se.

Islamophobia is a whack term.  It’s usually deployed in one of two ways:

1. As the accepted term for anti-Muslim bigotry (which is a real thing), although “anti-Muslim” would suffice. 

2. As a subtle way to try and blend the lines between legitimate criticism of some types of Islamic belief and practice with anti-Muslim bigotry. 
 

Among some types of academics and commenters there is a pervasive effort to make people think they are talking about 1) when they mean 2); and to use it to immediately silence any justified scrutiny of Islam. 
 

Similar playbook to “Russophobia,” it’s possible to be an anti-Russian bigot who hates Russian people but “Russophobia” as a concept is just a way to try and silence any legitimate criticism of the Russian state, Russian state ideology, and Russian behavior.

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35 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Ok, Rex. Your personal anecdotes ARE more important.

You were the one who implied all liberals are scared of Muslims.  Maybe go take a writing course at some school other than Texas Tech.

By the way, those anecdotes included growing up around dozens of Muslims my family would host when they came to the US to attend the engineering school my dad taught at.  They would break bread with us, stay with us, obviously take courses from my father, etc.  I learned about Lebanon, Iraq, Iran etc. in a very real manner, and without question my family was not an outlier.  It was a very common thing for university employees to bring those immigrant students into their households (as well as students from other parts of the world, primarily Asia).  So MY experience is that you're full of shit.

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16 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

It’s fucking New York City, not some little local election you trologdyte. I can cuss too, but I don’t yell at retards. It’s literally Trump’s hometown and spends more time there than whatever tax shelter he has in South Florida. 
 

Politicians give endorsements all the time to candidates in other elections. Why the president can’t give his thoughts on an election he couldve easily been voting in is square in a circle thinking.

"trologdyte" - JFC

Apologies for the re-quote.

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36 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

You could have just said “religion is inherently fucked.” Because that’s the truth of the matter. 

I said this in another thread, but Muslims and Christians in a spiritual sense actually have more in common as an Abrahamic religion than either do with Judaism (again, as Abrahamic) in a fundamental sense, despite the closer political and social commonalities between Jews and Christians.

In all three cases, if you are actually "doing the religion correctly" as in, actually living out what the precepts outlined for how to live if you are to call yourself an adherent, to put it coarsely, you are going to necessarily be an extremist IMO.

I think that's the conflict. The conflict with adhering to a prescriptive religion in a secular society and it is, from what I can understand, actually a built-in conflict that is a feature and not a bug.

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

You were the one who implied all liberals are scared of Muslims.  Maybe go take a writing course at some school other than Texas Tech.

By the way, those anecdotes included growing up around dozens of Muslims my family would host when they came to the US to attend the engineering school my dad taught at.  They would break bread with us, stay with us, obviously take courses from my father, etc.  I learned about Lebanon, Iraq, Iran etc. in a very real manner, and without question my family was not an outlier.  It was a very common thing for university employees to bring those immigrant students into their households (as well as students from other parts of the world, primarily Asia).  So MY experience is that you're full of shit.

Brother, your experience is most certainly an outlier among the American populace. I'm not sure how you can't see that. You grew up with very privileged in a way the vast majority of Americans do not. Period. I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all, mind you, you should feel very fortunate to have experience such a broad array of people from various cultures from a young age. 

I'm not telling you that YOU are scared of Muslims, I'm telling you that a majority of Americans are and that the majority of liberals certainly have not elevated themselves above that to any appreciable degree. Seriously, read the book I linked you. I think you would enjoy it and find it illuminating.

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

I mean yeah, all religious fundamentalism has this problem, including orthodox Judaism. Read about Kach and Baruch Goldstein sometime. That's not something you would ever learn about in Western curricula.

But most observers of Judaism confine criticism of the Orthodox to that relatively small sect of the faith, so the criticism is more principled and limited.  Fundamentalism in Christianity is more pervasive and even moreso in Islam.  As legit as the criticism is, the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater.

One thing, though, Judaism has almost always been a minority religion and lacked power.  So its excesses have been somewhat limited and criticism considered unwarranted or unjustifiable, just like a lot of legitimate criticism of minority groups.  

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It seems to me that the primary bias that most American have, if they have one, is that they think of all Muslims as fundamentalist.  Whereas they are willing to parse the hardshell and softshell Christians and make allowances to Christians who aren't fundamentalists, they don't give Muslims the same leeway, ant throw them all into one big batch.  That's the problem.

The other problem is conflating thoughts about religious beliefs with global politics. 

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I think Fantana is somewhat conflating New York Democrats with “liberals.” Yeah, a lot of liberals have some degree of anti-Muslim bias just because for most it’s still an “other” that they don’t have much experience with, but there’s nothing that your ordinary liberal loves more than to think they’re multicultural and tolerant so that limits it quite a bit. 
 

But a lot of New York Dems aren’t even liberal, they’re conservatives who happen to be Dems because in New York that’s the only real game in town. That leads to some confusion with New York liberal politicians as well who cater for those conservatives’ votes (I’m thinking Gillibrand here), but the real anti Muslim shit in New York isn’t coming from liberals.

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2 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

It seems to me that the primary bias that most American have, if they have one, is that they think of all Muslims as fundamentalist.  Whereas they are willing to parse the hardshell and softshell Christians and make allowances to Christians who aren't fundamentalists, they don't give Muslims the same leeway, ant throw them all into one big batch.  That's the problem.

The other problem is conflating thoughts about religious beliefs with global politics. 

Some truth to this, for sure.  But in the case of both Christians and Muslims, the fundamentalists seek and get more attention than the more devout and principled adherents.  And potentially comprise a larger percentage of both religions.

And, of course, one of the practical, if not theological, aspects of fundamentalism is a willingness to inject the religion into politics.  Fundamentalism often IS politics.

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13 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I think Fantana is somewhat conflating New York Democrats with “liberals.” Yeah, a lot of liberals have some degree of anti-Muslim bias just because for most it’s still an “other” that they don’t have much experience with, but there’s nothing that your ordinary liberal loves more than to think they’re multicultural and tolerant so that limits it quite a bit. 
 

But a lot of New York Dems aren’t even liberal, they’re conservatives who happen to be Dems because in New York that’s the only real game in town. That leads to some confusion with New York liberal politicians as well who cater for those conservatives’ votes (I’m thinking Gillibrand here), but the real anti Muslim shit in New York isn’t coming from liberals.

I that’s a little charitable and this is more of a progressive versus liberal “everyone to the right of me is a fascist” thing. 

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6 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

It seems to me that the primary bias that most American have, if they have one, is that they think of all Muslims as fundamentalist.  Whereas they are willing to parse the hardshell and softshell Christians and make allowances to Christians who aren't fundamentalists, they don't give Muslims the same leeway, ant throw them all into one big batch.  That's the problem.

The other problem is conflating thoughts about religious beliefs with global politics. 

Yeah I think this is a fair assessment.

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I think Fantana is somewhat conflating New York Democrats with “liberals.” Yeah, a lot of liberals have some degree of anti-Muslim bias just because for most it’s still an “other” that they don’t have much experience with, but there’s nothing that your ordinary liberal loves more than to think they’re multicultural and tolerant so that limits it quite a bit. 
 

But a lot of New York Dems aren’t even liberal, they’re conservatives who happen to be Dems because in New York that’s the only real game in town. That leads to some confusion with New York liberal politicians as well who cater for those conservatives’ votes (I’m thinking Gillibrand here), but the real anti Muslim shit in New York isn’t coming from liberals.

As is this.

Look, I'm not trying to shit on anyone here. Even though I am frequently abrasive, my main beef is with "liberal" politicians, not your average, every day liberal, and sometimes I am bad about conflating the two.

People's beliefs are complex and often contradictory (myself included), and I am super sensitive to anti-Muslim rhetoric specifically because of hate I have personally seen directed at people I care about far too often.

So when I see card-carrying liberals describe someone like Mamdani as "dangerous", I hope you can understand why my hackles get raised, so to speak.

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2 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:


They’ll just blame the Dems, as always.

And it will work.  Because people are fucking uninformed idiots that have no idea how anything works.  

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Speaking of Trump's America. Is it not just WILD the whipsaw and whiplash since January? It's been 6 months and feels like 2 years worth of events and rollercoasters.

The fact that I woke up this week and our stock market is at an all time high just 3 months after tanking it with self-imposed tariff-sized gunshot wounds to tank the market, is absolutely nuts.

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Just now, Vegas64 said:

Speaking of Trump's America. Is it not just WILD the whipsaw and whiplash since January? It's been 6 months and feels like 2 years worth of events and rollercoasters.

The fact that I woke up this week and our stock market is at an all time high just 3 months after tanking it with self-imposed tariff-sized gunshot wounds to tank the market, is absolutely nuts.

I'm so pissed about all of it, man. I'm not one of those people that can easily unplug myself from the news, so it is just....a lot.

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7 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah I think this is a fair assessment.

As is this.

Look, I'm not trying to shit on anyone here. Even though I am frequently abrasive, my main beef is with "liberal" politicians, not your average, every day liberal, and sometimes I am bad about conflating the two.

People's beliefs are complex and often contradictory (myself included), and I am super sensitive to anti-Muslim rhetoric specifically because of hate I have personally seen directed at people I care about far too often.

So when I see card-carrying liberals describe someone like Mamdani as "dangerous", I hope you can understand why my hackles get raised, so to speak.

That's fair. Personally I want to see Gillibrand and others like her loaded up into a Space X rocket, both for being bigots and just for their pure stupidity.

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

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I don't like that chart, because it's actually MUCH worse than that.  The "Homeland Security" budget includes much more than ICE.  As I understand it, all "border security" type measures together under Homeland Security will be around $175 billion of our budget.  Look at that chart.  The US "Homeland Security" paramilitary apparatus will be the fucking THIRD LARGEST MILITARY BUDGET ON THE PLANET.

Trump and his minions have created the third largest military force in the world, to be deployed ENTIRELY inside our borders.  If you create an army....and then turn them loose....they WILL find an enemy to fight.  And when it's that big, a few million dudes hanging sheetrock and picking strawberries won't be enough to feed that beast.  That army WILL be coming for more.  Gee, I wonder who it will be turned on?  It's a mystery!

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12 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

And it will work.  Because people are fucking uninformed idiots that have no idea how anything works.  

I believe the worst of the Medicare cuts don't phase in until after the 2026 election. GOP is really good at being shitty 

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https://clip.cafe/gimme-shelter-1970/why-are-fighting/

Mick: Why are we fighting?

In the last few hours, it seems some of us have lost sight of the fact that all of us -- at least those not lost to the horrific MAGA movement -- face one common enemy: Trump and his supporters, who continue to wipe their asses with the US Constitution. This is FDR/America joining forces with Stalin/Soviets to stop the Nazis from taking over the world. We can go back to disliking each other and fighting once this evil is defeated. In the meantime, stop wasting your time and energy on things that do not fucking matter.

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11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I really pray that this line is clogged by people telling long, detailed stories about being anally probed.

How's yours coming along?  At the 10,000 word mark yet?

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9 minutes ago, South Austin said:

How's yours coming along?  At the 10,000 word mark yet?

Having a bit of writer's block.  Trying to figure out how to fit in the phrase "extravagant, decadent, guilty pleasure . . . tempered with a nagging feeling of violation."

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24 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

A clique of House Freedom Caucus members walked out of the White House in the early afternoon, their attitudes seemingly adjusted. Representative Tim Burchett, Republican of Tennessee, was one of them. He posted a video on social media gushing about the two-hour experience he’d just had with his president.  “The president was wonderful, as always,” Mr. Burchett said in the video. “Informative, funny, he told me he likes seeing me on TV, which was kind of cool.” Representative Byron Donalds, Republican of Florida, is shown in the video, too. “Did you show them what he signed for you?” Mr. Donalds asks Mr. Burchett. “Yeah, he signed a bunch of stuff,” Mr. Burchett said. “It’s cool.”  Mr. Burchett told The New York Times later on that his name had been misspelled on the placard placed in front of his chair for the Cabinet Room meeting (it was missing an “r”) so the president scribbled in the letter, signed both sides of the card and gave it to him as a souvenir. Mr. Burchett said the president also loaded up the son of Representative Chip Roy, Republican of Texas, with souvenirs.

This is the epitome of how fucked we are as a country. This is a horrible bill and I'm totally opposed to it,  but I got an autograph so I'm going to vote for it and fuck those it will hurt. I've said before, I truly wished I believed Satan existed because dotard making a deal with him is the only sensible explanation. 

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