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18 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I live in a free country to think the way I fucking want to. How many times can I say you should be respected as a person. I’m sorry our opinions are different. 

We're close to living in a country where you're can't express yourself without fear of reprisal from the govt. Anti-Trump speech could very well became a punishable event. There's already a threat of punishment if you say something that Trump opposes.

I agree that freedom of speech isn't free of consequences but that is reserved for the general public to apply those punishments like a boycott or rejection of something. But we will soon have the govt punishing you.

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21 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

So those 5-6 are ok? When transgenders compete in combat sports it’s fair? Weightlifting? Why can’t women play in the nba? Or play college baseball as opposed to softball?

I appreciate you responding on this topic and willing to have a dialogue. 

But you've allowed a political party to find the needle in the haystack on this issue, one that they've turned into a baseball bat and hammered over people's heads. And you and tens of millions of other people bought into it. These handful of "unfair" instances pale in comparison to the larger issue. 

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

And also, when that guy takes power, he'll be a dictator/king and functionally end the Republic.

But it's totally worth it so long as D3 women's sports are safe from a handful of trans persons.

 

Jesus.....that he doesn't see how fucking destructively stupid that reasoning is continues to blow my mind.

Had to vote to exterminate trans people (though really all I WANTED was the driver's license thing, I swear!) because Riley Gaines got 5th place instead of 4th place in a race. That's a totally reasonable case for supporting nazis, right?

Just now, Texasborn91 said:

Reagan visited the USSR. We didn’t get nuked off the face of the Earth. 

Did he decide to SIDE with the USSR when he did so?  Did he deem the Soviet leadership to be brilliant, and worth his emulation and admiration?  That seems to be a pretty key fucking difference.

You are the most obtuse motherfucker on this planet.  Sadly, you have millions of counterparts who think and voted the same way.

The scary thing is that he's probably smarter than like 80% of his fellow Trumpers.

We're already at the point where the only path to redemption for people who voted for Trump because they sincerely didn't think he'd be like this is for them to immediately own up to being colossal dumbasses and be willing to take to the streets when the time comes and physically put themselves between the guns and other protesters. 

I think we all know TB91 isn't going to ever do that. He's going to cheer on as Trump orders people shot and then when the tide turns against him he'll just go quiet. He'll change usernames and throw his MAGA hat in the trash and pretend he never actually supported Trump. Millions will. 

Just now, troph said:

jesus, you can't even bring yourself to call me a she can you?  no ill will though...

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Hey, at least he's acknowledging that "they" can be singular.

1 hour ago, Texasborn91 said:

The Zelenskyy comment was fucking stupid. The man’s country was invaded. 

The President out front said you are wrong - as he gaslights everyone

6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

She's entitled to healthcare because she's a human being you dipshit. You're really not helping your case here.

Exactly,a human. Why would her gender change that. 

7 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Reagan visited the USSR. We didn’t get nuked off the face of the Earth. 

he didn't salute their fucking generals and gush about how he was in love with their totalitarian leadership

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/we-fell-in-love-trump-and-kim-shower-praise-stroke-egos-on-path-to-nuclear-negotiations/2019/02/24/46875188-3777-11e9-854a-7a14d7fec96a_story.html

4 minutes ago, elguapo said:

The scary thing is that he's probably smarter than like 80% of his fellow Trumpers.

Perhaps, but he’s also a fucking coward 

You can't compete with the kind of stupidity that would accept a hateful Russian puppet and his party of cowards to assuage his fear of the theoretical 14-year old transgendered individual getting third place in a regional swim meet.

You hope it's contained by genetics and mortality and you move on.

 

Reagan met with Gorbachev, who was as "moderate" a Soviet leader as they came.  He didn't kowtow to him.  Trump worships Putin, who is as ruthless as any who came before him, who owns Trump, and who is actively (and successfully) trying to destroy America, yet you dipshits draw some insane false equivalence.

Seeing more and more of these posts..just cruel the hatred spewed towards good people

Of course, we know this is the intent. Voter apathy got Trump elected and now he seeks to crush the spirit before he truly pulls the rug out from under democracy.

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"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

"In fact, I would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they want."

Same same 

1 minute ago, pacman said:

Seeing more and more of these posts..just cruel the hatred spewed towards good people

Of course, we know this is the intent. Voter apathy got Trump elected and now he seeks to crush the spirit before he truly pulls the rug out from under democracy.

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No, see, this is what Texasborn voted for.  It's all worth it to make sure that Troph's TDL is switched back to "M."  THAT'S what's really important here.

8 minutes ago, troph said:

jesus, you can't even bring yourself to call me a she can you?  no ill will though...

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He called you a she in other posts. He's using the generic "they" when referring to someone else. 

2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

"In fact, I would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they want."

Same same 

Seriously.

Person X visits with Person Y, and has an arms-length conversation.

Person Z visits Person Y and gets down on his knees and suck's Person Y's dick and says "oh yes daddy, you own me."

And Texasborn says "See?  Person X and Person Z both visited with Person Y!"

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That Lindy Li bitch literally voted for Trump, so I can't believe anything that comes from her sour puss.

14 minutes ago, Foosters said:

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

"In fact, I would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they want."

Same same 

Remember when Reagan supported the Soviets in Afghanistan?

 

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1 hour ago, Texasborn91 said:

I’m not stupid enough to bitch about the price of eggs in the middle of a bird flu outbreak. 

Were you as reasonable and equanimious during covid when there was years of supply chain issues and worldwide inflation, of which America had the lowest inflation in the world comparatively? Or did Biden fuck up our economy?

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I still can't get over "I just care about sports and official documentation" as the explanation. Jesus fucking christ. I'd be a lot more sympathetic if it was something like "I was raised in an extremely religious household to hate gay people and then I got a boner once when I saw an attractive trans woman and have not known how to feel about anything since then and am very anxious and angry about everything as a result!" 

"Trans people are fine but I voted to exterminate them because of a letter on their driver's license" isn't something I ever could've even come up with myself as some fictitious illustration of the banality of evil. If someone else had proposed it as the motivation for a fictional character in a story idea they had I'd have told them it was too stupid and that the motivation must be something deeper. But nope, that's it. 

And THEY call US npcs. 

32 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Your name is not genetically coded to you at conception. It’s given based on variable social and personal factors. 

I’ll debate you and say if there was a female that was good enough to play at the highest levels of the NBA that shit would be welcomed with open arms! I would fucking love it. But if a bunch of D3 men’s bench warmers decided to take their talents to WNBA?  Ugh, not so much. I agree if it’s not a physically demanding sport that both genders can compete at equal levels then have at it. 

Holy fuck, this doesn't happen. 

26 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I’ll debate you and say if there was a female that was good enough to play at the highest levels of the NBA that shit would be welcomed with open arms! I would fucking love it. But if a bunch of D3 men’s bench warmers decided to take their talents to WNBA?  Ugh, not so much.

As I said if there is a science based reason I can accept that. I will say that when I first started hearing about this issue like...20 years ago or whenever...I was a little concerned that athletes are just so desperately competitive and so determined to win that male athletes would try to compete in women's sports just because they are so desperate to win. But we have never seen this really. I guess there are some things so extreme even the crazy competitive mind of the athlete won't do.

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I agree if it’s not a physically demanding sport that both genders can compete at equal levels then have at it. 

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Your name is not genetically coded to you at conception. It’s given based on variable social and personal factors. 

And for like 98% of humanity that works great. But for whatever reason we have always had these trans people who that doesn't work for. And then the even small number of intersex people. I don't know. If people can't be allowed to change their gender legally, then maybe there should be an option to just leave it blank.

Just now, Mango4 said:

Holy fuck, this doesn't happen. 

As it turns out, it doesn't. Athletes will cheat, lie, and steal in almost every manner to win but as it turns out even they have their limits.

14 minutes ago, troph said:

you DO realize taking away my healthcare is on the Republican's list of things to accomplish, right? In fact, Trump threatened to pull funding for non-trans related care - Medicare and Medicaid - for hospital systems that perform gender affirming care?  you realize there are laws proposed to outright ban my healthcare, as an adult, right?

but no ill will....

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To be fair they want to take away EVERYONE's healthcare, not just yours. 

3 minutes ago, troph said:

 

 

I was preparing a post to give him credit. but then he would think he's absolved of the more important aspects here. there is unequivocally an existential threat on my right to (1) live, and (2) do so in peace, in the United States of America. That is actually not even in question anymore. so while I appreciate him saying she in other posts, he continues to have extreme animus toward me given his vote and his positions, despite him claiming otherwise.

I am admittedly not well versed in all opposition you face in life. Please do not group me in as a whole with other people. Just wanted discussion. You should be respected as a person first and foremost. 

Just now, Texasborn91 said:

I am admittedly not well versed in all opposition you face in life. Please do not group me in as a whole with other people. Just wanted discussion. You should be respected as a person first and foremost. 

You did that yourself.

It's great that the free world was plunged into 500 years of darkness, as long as we guard the purity of amateur sports for girls.

 

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55 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

That’s fine. I have no ill will towards troph whatsoever. I just don’t think your gender is something that can officially be changed. If you want to live your life that way then more power to you. 

Given your posts in the NJ UFO thread, you seem like the type who's skeptical of government authority and doesn't take a shine to the government dictating your life. Am I correct on that assumption, based on that posting history?

What if I were to tell you that in this bolded sentence, you're ceding to the government an immense amount of power to a central authority over an extremely personal thing that you take for granted with the comforting knowledge your gender expression conforms to the wishes of the ruling regime?

If you're a religious person, consider that you are imposing a "man's natural order" mindset on God's glorious creation in all its various permutations where the combination of X & Y chromosomes and the infinite mix of hormones allows for (nay, insists on) an astonishing spectrum of possibilities. If you're a nonreligious person, simply replace "God" with "universe."

Now, consider this question:
Who the fuck are you or this government to impose this simplistic, black-and-white, or binomial stricture on a fluid, dynamic, and infinite reality, and under what authority?

Authority. You're giving it away, freely, willingly, an immense amount of it, and that has wide fucking implications for those of us who are just plain old straight vanilla. And it's not because I fear the government suddenly misgendering me, but I do fear one that is emboldened to start making all kinds of other judgments and rulings over other parts of my personal life and right to privacy.

Sure, right now, their focus is on this one small group of people, of which a vanishingly tiny subset play competitive sports. Like Brisket said, the number in NCAA sports is in the single digits. That's your stated concern, right? "Men" playing in "women's" sports.

Why the fuck do you or anyone wish to turn this trivial sports shit that can be (and is) taken care of by the governing body of that sport into some epic, gargantuan fucking issue and place it into the hands of one old man? Do you understand what kind of power you're ceding to a singular individual who has demonstrated throughout his life that he thinks no one can contain his insatiable desire for more?

Have you not picked up on the fact that he has a habit of slicing us up into all these little minority interest groups and individually picking them out for abuse?

If you already understood all that and voted for the man anyway, you are undeniably fascist adjacent, at the very least, and have enabled a dictator. If you didn't grasp this shit, open your fucking eyes. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Texasborn91 said:

But when it comes to legal documentation and representation in athletic events I think you should be grouped into the gender that you were genetically born into. I’m not trying to start any kind of shit. Just trying to add to the convo. 

Ok fine.  But, seriously, what difference does it make what your gender is on your drivers license and birth certificate?

Do you really think a competitiveness issue like men in women's sports should be the subject of legislation?  Especially when it is a tiny fraction of competitors?

8 minutes ago, troph said:

 

 

I was preparing a post to give him credit. but then he would think he's absolved of the more important aspects here. there is unequivocally an existential threat on my right to (1) live, and (2) do so in peace, in the United States of America. That is actually not even in question anymore. so while I appreciate him saying she in other posts, he continues to have extreme animus toward me given his vote and his positions, despite him claiming otherwise.

I'm not defending him. I'm pointing out that this convo has gotten heated enough that it's best to not let anybody use accidentally escalate it even more, lest it get even further beyond anything remotely productive.

2 minutes ago, Paper_jam said:

It's great that the free world was plunged into 500 years of darkness, as long as we guard the purity of amateur sports for girls.

 

The upside here is that the 1000 year reich only lasted 12.  Getting out of it left a hell of a hangover though. 

8 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Were you as reasonable and equanimious during covid when there was years of supply chain issues and worldwide inflation, of which America had the lowest inflation in the world comparatively? 

The supply and demand issue of killing off birds (thus driving up the price) to prevent the spread of disease to more flocks nearby isn’t a political issue. It’s a common sense issue. That price is set by a market.

2 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I am admittedly not well versed in all opposition you face in life. Please do not group me in as a whole with other people. Just wanted discussion. You should be respected as a person first and foremost. 

This a good post and thought. It seems like you are coming from a perspective of love for humanity. 

So why not just go all the way with it?

 

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Because it's a fucking stupid thing to discuss in light of all the massively illegal/corrupt shit that's going on.

Or, let's put it in terms of the things the republican party used to pretend to care about: limited government.  Do you know how many transgender people are competitive swimmers in this country?  I made a rough calculation at one point and, to no one's surprise, it is an infinitesimally small number; it is a small fraction of one percent.  Why in the hell does the so-called party of limited government place this issue toward the tip of the spear, much less include it on its policy platform at all?  We all know the real answer.

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1 minute ago, dcbc said:

Or, let's put it in terms of the things the republican party used to pretend to care about: limited government.  Do you know how many transgender people are competitive swimmers in this country?  I made a rough calculation at one point and, to no one's surprise, it is an infinitesimally small number; it is a small fraction of one percent.  Why in the hell does the so-called party of limited government place this issue toward the tip of the sphere, much less include it on its policy platform at all?  We all know the real answer.

Maybe he just wants to get the job checking all the girl athletes to make sure they're girls. 

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Maybe he just wants to get the job checking all the girl athletes to make sure they're girls. 

Naah, it's almost always a toxic stew of 1) self-loathing because of ambiguous inner sexual thoughts, like being attracted to a trans person once, and 2) good old-fashioned punching down: weak people feel powerful when they find someone to bully.

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

So it's the left wing version of stop the steal.

 

No, it's realized that for them, every accusation is a confession.

You really think the piece of shit who tried a coup on 1/6/21 (and all this other shit) is going to go quietly this time?

But go ahead, ana2, both sides this.

7 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

The supply and demand issue of killing off birds (thus driving up the price) to prevent the spread of disease to more flocks nearby isn’t a political issue. It’s a common sense issue. That price is set by a market.

That's not the question I asked you at all. I asked you THIS question:

 

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Were you as reasonable and equanimious during covid when there was years of supply chain issues and worldwide inflation, of which America had the lowest inflation in the world comparatively? 

Would you be so good as to answer that very simple and direct question(s)?

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This focus on a handful of transgender athletes cracks me up.  My son was a pretty good high school athlete.  All-District in 5 events (T&F).  Failed to get past Area.  If I had suggested to him that he could get to state and perhaps win if he just competed in the girls' meets he would have looked at me like I'm from Mars, and rightfully so.  The overwhelming majority of athletes are wholly uninterested in "crossing over".  But sure, let's fixate on that rage-bomb and look the other way as tens of thousands of legal immigrants are being deported, millions of civil servants are being fired, entire government entities are being illegally shuttered, half the country's rights are being reversed and personal data is being exploited for god knows what gain (but her emails!), as it's really important that some shitty "male" athlete is finishing off the medal stand against some female athletes.

What a fucking world.

58 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

That’s fine. I have no ill will towards troph whatsoever. I just don’t think your gender is something that can officially be changed. If you want to live your life that way then more power to you. 

My wife’s sister is a pediatric urologist and has worked with families to choose a child’s gender in cases where the child’s sex characteristics are ambiguous. She has created penises and vaginas. Say the parents and doctor choose male (which is what a Dad chose after my wife’s sister gently recommended female based on the situation). What happens later as the child is growing up and identifies more as female? Is that person a male or female?

 

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