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17 minutes ago, GenXer said:

My legal education is limited to univ of texas sports message boards. So, I don’t know shit about fuck.

That being said, the 22nd amendment is worded so that trump could serve as president in a third term. At least it could be argued that way. As we know, the legal system intentionality works at a snail’s pace so we could be well into a third trump term before it hits the courts. But oh yeah, nothing the president does is illegal so we can’t really do anything about it anyway.

Here’s the play- trump doesn’t run for president in 2028; he runs for vice president and vance runs for president with the obvious implication that vance will resign on jan 21. Trump then makes vance his vice president.

The key is that trump is not elected to the office of the president. There isn’t verbiage that prohibits serving as president.

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Again, I don’t know shit about fuck but we all know trump challenges all the norms. I fully expect something like this to happen; he’s already saying as such.

The twelfth amendment handles that. It states no one ineligible to be president shall become vice president. Or something like that.

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2 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

You Sure GIFs | Tenor

Who is this guy? Isn't he the same guy in the hotdog suit? 

I'm sure I'm the only one in the dark, but that's where I am.

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19 hours ago, NorthLoop said:

I just assumed everyone who voted for Trump has brain cancer. 

 

16 hours ago, Superhero said:

Somalis were called "skinnies" in Black Hawk Down.

Americans in general are overweight. By becoming Somalia, our population can slim down and we can say goodbye to Ozempic. 

 

/silverlining

Remember chemo is also quite slimming.  Let’s do this.  

Posted
8 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

All this is true.  I heard a law professor on NPR yesterday and she was quoting everything quoted above re the 12th and 22nd Amendments.  She finished with the following point, and I paraphrase:

So?  Who is going to stop this person who has so far not been bound by Constitutional laws and norms?  Is the most ineffectual and compliant Republican Congress ever going to stop him?  Is there an expectation that he will suddenly say to himself, "Well, now I've just gone too far."? There is nothing in what we know of him so far that would lead anyone to believe this to be the case.  So we should expect the unthinkable, as that's what we've witnessed from him so far.

 

 

100%. They could simply re-write the shit they don't like. They have the majority on SCOTUS. But, by the letter of the law (lol, I know) he cannot serve a third term as things stand today without some serious fucky fucky. (I expect fucky fucky.)

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5 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Trump's going to cut a deal where he and his family and every family friend gets a lifetime pardon and a payment of a billion trillion dollars a year for his lifetime plus 25 years in exchange for him not running for and winning a third term.

 

There won't be any deal.  He'll just pardon everyone for everything by Presidential fiat.  

Posted
16 minutes ago, G650 said:

That's actually what my wife brought up last night

 

 

But more on thread

https://www.newsweek.com/republican-calls-ice-gop-rival-idaho-farm-2053021

 

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She should report him for pedophilia.  He is a self-proclaimed "conservative Christian," and we know the overlap of that performative label and criminal sexual activity is approaching 100%, so it's a good faith call.

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Who is this guy? Isn't he the same guy in the hotdog suit? 

I'm sure I'm the only one in the dark, but that's where I am.

Tim Robinson.  Yes.  "I Think You Should Leave with Tim Robinson."

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Just now, GenXer said:

Today?

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willful ignorance and stupidity are not the same thing.

2 minutes ago, strangulation! said:

you know must judges were previously lawyers, right?

yes, and my naive assumption that in order to get to that role, you need to be the best of the best. worldview shattered. lol

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2 hours ago, Walser said:

The twelfth amendment handles that. It states no one ineligible to be president shall become vice president. Or something like that.

Exact language:

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

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1 minute ago, Horndog said:

Exact language:

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/31/nx-s1-5191889/is-trump-running-for-a-third-term

Other legal experts, however, point to the last sentence of the 12th Amendment, which covers the Electoral College, as a roadblock for any twice-elected president attempting to return to the White House through the vice presidency. It says that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Still, in court, a lawyer could try to argue that being a "natural born" citizen, at least 35 years old and a resident within the U.S. for at least 14 years are the only presidential eligibility requirements specified in the Constitution, says Stephen Gillers, a professor emeritus at New York University School of Law, who proposed in 2004 that Clinton run for vice president.

"I want to make it very clear that I'm identifying an argument that Trump could make in order to get back into the White House. I'm not endorsing it," Gillers says. "But we know from experience that even if it's far-fetched and it offers the possibility of a third presidential term, Trump will make it. If his health holds up, he will make the argument he likes the job. Whether or not it succeeds in court is another matter."

Gillers posits that Trump "could make a deal" with Vance that, ahead of the 2028 election, they switch places on the Republican ticket, and if they win the White House again, Vance resigns and Trump becomes president.

To avoid any debate about whether the 12th Amendment forbids presidential electors from choosing a twice-elected president as vice president, Gillers says there could be a similar arrangement in which Trump does not run on the winning Republican ticket but, after the newly elected vice president resigns, becomes vice president with congressional approval.

"It is not implausible. And just the existence of the possibility of it in the next four years gives Trump power that enhances his position," Gillers says. "The members of Congress in 2027 will know that they're not dealing with a lame duck necessarily because Trump could still hold out, through 2027 and 2028, the possibility of his return to power and the power that that possibility gives him — to get Congress to bend to his will."

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Nivek said:

If a pirate I must be.....

I've done a bit of smugglin', and I've run my share of grass
I made enough money to buy Miami, but I pissed it away so fast
Never meant to last, never meant to last

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Horndog said:

Exact language:

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Again I don’t know shit but… the 22nd says eligible to be elected. Elected is the operative word. 

I think there’s an argument that the verbiage in the 12th doesn’t apply if trump isn’t elected to the office.

Every year the supreme court attends a mock trial at harvard law with the law students presenting the case. This would be an interesting case for them to present.

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8 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/31/nx-s1-5191889/is-trump-running-for-a-third-term

Other legal experts, however, point to the last sentence of the 12th Amendment, which covers the Electoral College, as a roadblock for any twice-elected president attempting to return to the White House through the vice presidency. It says that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Still, in court, a lawyer could try to argue that being a "natural born" citizen, at least 35 years old and a resident within the U.S. for at least 14 years are the only presidential eligibility requirements specified in the Constitution, says Stephen Gillers, a professor emeritus at New York University School of Law, who proposed in 2004 that Clinton run for vice president.

"I want to make it very clear that I'm identifying an argument that Trump could make in order to get back into the White House. I'm not endorsing it," Gillers says. "But we know from experience that even if it's far-fetched and it offers the possibility of a third presidential term, Trump will make it. If his health holds up, he will make the argument he likes the job. Whether or not it succeeds in court is another matter."

Gillers posits that Trump "could make a deal" with Vance that, ahead of the 2028 election, they switch places on the Republican ticket, and if they win the White House again, Vance resigns and Trump becomes president.

To avoid any debate about whether the 12th Amendment forbids presidential electors from choosing a twice-elected president as vice president, Gillers says there could be a similar arrangement in which Trump does not run on the winning Republican ticket but, after the newly elected vice president resigns, becomes vice president with congressional approval.

"It is not implausible. And just the existence of the possibility of it in the next four years gives Trump power that enhances his position," Gillers says. "The members of Congress in 2027 will know that they're not dealing with a lame duck necessarily because Trump could still hold out, through 2027 and 2028, the possibility of his return to power and the power that that possibility gives him — to get Congress to bend to his will."

If the Dems were smart, they'd be pushing the Supreme Court to consider this in the run-up for the 2028 election.  I know that the SC would say that the issue isn't ripe, but there needs to be existing political pressure in place to prevent Roberts and Co. from pulling the same old "Aw shucks, we just can't rule on this so close to the election, so maybe next time ..." bullshit.   

 

 

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1 minute ago, GenXer said:

Again I don’t know shit but… the 22nd says eligible to be elected. Elected is the operative word. 

I think there’s an argument that the verbiage in the 12th doesn’t apply if trump isn’t elected to the office.

Every year the supreme court attends a mock trial at harvard law with the law students presenting the case. This would be an interesting case for them to present.

For the intellectual exercise only (because Trump and his bootlickers aren't bound by rules), what legal mechanism do you think exists for someone to become President if they aren't elected President and can never be Vice President? The only other option is being in the line of succession and everyone above them dying simultaneously. 

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That’s one. Get chosen by rep majority as speaker, then have potus and vp resign or die. 
 

also, have vp resign and have Trump chosen as vp, approved by Congress, then potus resigns. 
 

it’s a card game with the rules of succession. 

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

That’s one. Get chosen by rep majority as speaker, then have potus and vp resign or die. 
 

also, have vp resign and have Trump chosen as vp, approved by Congress, then potus resigns. 
 

it’s a card game with the rules of succession. 

Your second option is not possible within existing law. He can't be chosen as VP via any method per the 12th.

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2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Your second option is not possible within existing law. He can't be chosen as VP via any method per the 12th.

Fair. I guess the argument (beyond claiming an amendment isn’t legal or just ignoring it) would be that since the 22nd says elected that means the 12th also means elected. Is it a winning argument?  Who knows anymore. 

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The Constitution doesn't allow a third term, period.  If he tries, either by arguing that the Constitution does allow it or by just defying the Constitution outright, then it goes to the courts and ultimately SCOTUS will rule.  There, either SCOTUS abandons the Constitution and officially becomes a member of the fascist Trump party or they rule against him and according to the Constitution.  From there, if he defies the SCOTUS order then SCOTUS will order federal marshals to remove him from the White House.  If those dudes refuse to enforce the order then we're fucked.  Trump Co. could also meet those marshals at the White House with armed guards.  There might actually be a shootout.  Whoever is left standing when the smoke clears wins.

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5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

That’s one. Get chosen by rep majority as speaker, then have potus and vp resign or die. 
 

also, have vp resign and have Trump chosen as vp, approved by Congress, then potus resigns. 
 

it’s a card game with the rules of succession. 

It's amazing to watch. This became normalized immediately. 

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41 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/31/nx-s1-5191889/is-trump-running-for-a-third-term

Other legal experts, however, point to the last sentence of the 12th Amendment, which covers the Electoral College, as a roadblock for any twice-elected president attempting to return to the White House through the vice presidency. It says that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Still, in court, a lawyer could try to argue that being a "natural born" citizen, at least 35 years old and a resident within the U.S. for at least 14 years are the only presidential eligibility requirements specified in the Constitution, says Stephen Gillers, a professor emeritus at New York University School of Law, who proposed in 2004 that Clinton run for vice president.

"I want to make it very clear that I'm identifying an argument that Trump could make in order to get back into the White House. I'm not endorsing it," Gillers says. "But we know from experience that even if it's far-fetched and it offers the possibility of a third presidential term, Trump will make it. If his health holds up, he will make the argument he likes the job. Whether or not it succeeds in court is another matter."

Gillers posits that Trump "could make a deal" with Vance that, ahead of the 2028 election, they switch places on the Republican ticket, and if they win the White House again, Vance resigns and Trump becomes president.

To avoid any debate about whether the 12th Amendment forbids presidential electors from choosing a twice-elected president as vice president, Gillers says there could be a similar arrangement in which Trump does not run on the winning Republican ticket but, after the newly elected vice president resigns, becomes vice president with congressional approval.

"It is not implausible. And just the existence of the possibility of it in the next four years gives Trump power that enhances his position," Gillers says. "The members of Congress in 2027 will know that they're not dealing with a lame duck necessarily because Trump could still hold out, through 2027 and 2028, the possibility of his return to power and the power that that possibility gives him — to get Congress to bend to his will."

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3 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

All this is true.  I heard a law professor on NPR yesterday and she was quoting everything quoted above re the 12th and 22nd Amendments.  She finished with the following point, and I paraphrase:

So?  Who is going to stop this person who has so far not been bound by Constitutional laws and norms?  Is the most ineffectual and compliant Republican Congress ever going to stop him?  Is there an expectation that he will suddenly say to himself, "Well, now I've just gone too far."? There is nothing in what we know of him so far that would lead anyone to believe this to be the case.  So we should expect the unthinkable, as that's what we've witnessed from him so far.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Again, this doesn't matter if he's not on a ballot. Which I don't think he will be, either way. 

 

I think the way this would come up is sane states object to putting Trump on the ballot as VP.  Trump would sue, and it would go pretty much just like the 14th Amendment/insurrectionist cases as far as timing and procedure go.

And if Stephen Gillers says it's plausible, he is super-credible.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Jamelle Bouie had a good thread on this yesterday in response to some lawyers with terminal lawyer-brain:

 

 

 

What all of this glosses over is that when pushed far enough, laws are only enforced by the barrel of a gun.  That's why opting out of the rule of law -- as the Republican party has done, without any hesitation or reservation -- is so fucking dangerous and stupid.

We are going to have a resolution to this question in 2028-2029.  The only question is how many people will die resolving it.  I set the over/under at 100.  If it spreads beyond DC.....I don't want to think about those numbers.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

For the intellectual exercise only (because Trump and his bootlickers aren't bound by rules), what legal mechanism do you think exists for someone to become President if they aren't elected President and can never be Vice President? The only other option is being in the line of succession and everyone above them dying simultaneously. 

As trump, run as vice president with vance as president. After the election, Vance resigns  as president and trump (now president) makes vance his vp. Assessing this approach against the 22nd and 12th -  

22nd - No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. 

Not violated - trump not elected as president 

12th - But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Trump is still eligible to be president by age and bornnin the usa. The 12th doesn’t specify anything about elected; it just speaks to eligibility.

 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Run as a rep, get appointed Speaker.

Everyone above him resigns.

Pretty sure the speaker of the house thread revealed anyone can be speaker; you don’t have to be an elected representative to hold that position.

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18 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Jamelle Bouie had a good thread on this yesterday in response to some lawyers with terminal lawyer-brain:

 

Jamelle strikes me as someone that hasn't read any of the Supreme Court's recent case law - i mean, I'm pretty sure "Nihilistic Textualism" is the name of Alito and Clarence's garage band - it's their written rationalization for what is ultimately just Calvinball.  

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Posted
20 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Jamelle Bouie had a good thread on this yesterday in response to some lawyers with terminal lawyer-brain:

 

 

 

The fundamental problem with that is that Constitutional law has ALWAYS been a word game, Calvinball if you prefer.

Yes, it's worse now than it's ever been (although the Court during FDR's administration was quite incoherent), but it's just a matter of degree, not difference.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, GenXer said:

Pretty sure the speaker of the house thread revealed anyone can be speaker; you don’t have to be an elected representative to hold that position.

Well shit.

Get Vance to run as Pres. Ivanka as VP. Done.

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I don’t think that Trump would ever try the VP president scam with JD Vance. Vance would tell him to go fuck himself - he’s the president now!

The problem with Trump not having any loyalty to anyone is that he naturally assumes that no one will be loyal to him. He wouldn’t be.

 

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1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

I don’t think that Trump would ever try the VP president scam with JD Vance. Vance would tell him to go fuck himself - he’s the president now!

The problem with Trump not having any loyalty to anyone is that he naturally assumes that no one will be loyal to him. He wouldn’t be.

 

Trump controls the gop purse. Vance knows this. Trump controls all.

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