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Posted
1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

I don’t think that Trump would ever try the VP president scam with JD Vance. Vance would tell him to go fuck himself - he’s the president now!

Trump gets on Truth Social:

"wont someone rid me of this meddlesome POTUS!" 

problem solved
 

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9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Get Vance to run as Pres. Ivanka as VP. Done.

This would work just fine, unfortunately. Ma Ferguson out front should have told you...

 

Posted
20 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Oh I get it. We're being super dumb here. Fair play considering the actors. 

I mean I’ve already said I don’t know shit about this domain at least twice, and you did request the intellectual exercise.

Posted
12 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

that's a saturday. if it happens I might get so plastered I might die. but it's a risk I am willing to take

It’s a sacrifice I am willing to make. 

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I honestly do not believe the conversation about a possible Trump 3rd term as all that important.

For one, he's old. He's 78. He'll be 82 for the next election. 86 by the time that term is done. The chances of him dying or becoming otherwise incapacitated increase considerably with his every breath. If he has a serious fall, or he breathes in the wrong bacteria/virus, or some malignant cancer forms in a place that makes it difficult to force it go into remission, or he develops dementia, or dozens of other hypotheticals, this isn't going to matter.

Two, for him to run for a third term is not going to mean smooth sailing until that occurs. He's already run roughshod over all kinds of institutional protections from doing so, but he's going to have to run over a lot more. He's going to have to get through the midterms. If the Democrats take control over either the House or Senate, the relationship with the legislative branch changes considerably. We're not going to suddenly get this test case of whether he successfully wins the election in 2028. We're going to have a myriad of test cases prior to that which becomes Rubicon moments of whether we really want to live in a Republic or not. While it feels like we're there already, at the end of the day if we held an election right now, I still think who people vote in would matter, just like it did in 2020, even with all the horseshit that ensued.

To me the most important thing is what would lead up to him being able to run for a 3rd term. It's my belief we're on the precipice of losing the ability to decide who our leaders will be at the ballot box. That's going to be crystal clear whether it has occurred or not before 2028. How much are Republicans able to stifle any potential opposition vote? How much do they weaponize the executive branch, just like they're doing with Columbia University and the various law firms who have struck deals with the administration rather than going to the mat? Who do they investigate? Arrest? How well do they control the media? It's not clear how important controlling the mainstream media is any more, frankly. How well do they control the messaging at the places people are actually getting their news these days? How invested does the military become?

And how much is dependent on Trump as the figurehead? How much of this cult of personality survives him? All of it? None of it?

I just feel like there are underlying factors going on that are way more important than the specifics of whether Trump is able to run for a 3rd term or not. The polarization in this country is real, and it's increasing. We no longer want to know our neighbors. We are more solitary than we ever have been. We depend on echo chambers for discourse, mostly through online mediums. Whoever is able to successfully identify others that can be targeted, isolated, bullied, and either ghettoized, deported, jailed, or executed, is going to win in those environments. It doesn't have to be the next Hitler. It can be the next Robespierre, the next Lenin, Mao. "Those other guys have been the bad guys, and we're going to take care of it for you!"

The biggest danger of Trump is he's helping to create an environment where the only way to win is to play his game. If you're not all in, he's going to beat you. But if you go all in, you become what you're fighting against. It takes a tremendous leader to both win that game, and then to give up power once they've won. There aren't that many examples in history, to be honest. Look at China. They had it for 40 years under a totalitarian regime that voluntarily gave up power every ten years until Xi Jingping came along. I don't actually know about an equivalent to that. Normally leaders are scared (rightfully) about what is going to happen to them if they cede power. The Romans used to do something similar by giving ultimate power to consuls during times of crisis. They expected the "dictators" to give up their power when the crisis passed. Which worked until it didn't. 

We don't understand how fragile our system is. We think 250 years is a long time and it's going to go on like this forever just because, when actually it very well may be a blip in human history. "Here are all the lessons to learn from the failed American Experiment, 1776 to 20xx" says future history books. 

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This is idiotic. Putin got elected and rose to power because he made Russia relevant economically and politically around the world. It's only recently after the total dissolution of anything resembling democracy that Russia has started to completely collapse. 

Trump is trying to dictator during the collapse or right before it. He's a fucking moron, not a former KGB mastermind.

Xi rose to power as China became a swelling economic powerhouse etc. 

Trump has done less than jack shit and is showing his ass early and often. People aren't happy now, wait till actual bad shit happens from the ripple effect from all this idiotic destruction of the government. 

Posted
12 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

The biggest danger of Trump is he's helping to create an environment where the only way to win is to play his game. If you're not all in, he's going to beat you. But if you go all in, you become what you're fighting against. It takes a tremendous leader to both win that game, and then to give up power once they've won. There aren't that many examples in history, to be honest. Look at China. They had it for 40 years under a totalitarian regime that voluntarily gave up power every ten years until Xi Jingping came along. I don't actually know about an equivalent to that. Normally leaders are scared (rightfully) about what is going to happen to them if they cede power. The Romans used to do something similar by giving ultimate power to consuls during times of crisis. They expected the "dictators" to give up their power when the crisis passed. Which worked until it didn't. 

We don't understand how fragile our system is. We think 250 years is a long time and it's going to go on like this forever just because, when actually it very well may be a blip in human history. "Here are all the lessons to learn from the failed American Experiment, 1776 to 20xx" says future history books. 

Excellent post.  And.... ^^^^ this.  It's already done.  The Rubicon has been crossed, there is no going back.

Whatever comes next, it will be a far cry from the "Shining City on a Hill" that we liked to think we were -- or, at least (being realistic) we could aspire to be.  America 2.0 is going to be super-shitty, for a long time.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, immamac said:

This is idiotic. Putin got elected and rose to power because he made Russia relevant economically and politically around the world. It's only recently after the total dissolution of anything resembling democracy that Russia has started to completely collapse. 

Trump is trying to dictator during the collapse or right before it. He's a fucking moron, not a former KGB mastermind.

Xi rose to power as China became a swelling economic powerhouse etc. 

Trump has done less than jack shit and is showing his ass early and often. People aren't happy now, wait till actual bad shit happens from the ripple effect from all this idiotic destruction of the government. 

lol and I'm sure all those people will learn their lesson and we'll be well past this all soon, right? right?

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12 minutes ago, immamac said:

This is idiotic. Putin got elected and rose to power because he made Russia relevant economically and politically around the world. It's only recently after the total dissolution of anything resembling democracy that Russia has started to completely collapse. 

Trump is trying to dictator during the collapse or right before it. He's a fucking moron, not a former KGB mastermind.

Xi rose to power as China became a swelling economic powerhouse etc. 

Trump has done less than jack shit and is showing his ass early and often. People aren't happy now, wait till actual bad shit happens from the ripple effect from all this idiotic destruction of the government. 

I don't agree with any of that. Russia was always going to go with a strongman eventually. If it wasn't Putin, it would have been someone else. 

I don't know what Trump being a mastermind has to do with it. He communicates in a way that appeals to our basest instincts. I'm not sure what else is needed. 

China was already a swelling powerhouse. The time came for him to give up power and he chose not to. He used a campaign against corruption - a favorite of populists and dictators everywhere - to silence opposition. Any of the leaders before him could have done something similar. They chose not to, starting with Deng Xiaoping. I have no idea what point you're trying to make, actually.

Maybe you're right, and Trump has his power curtailed in all kinds of ways. But what I'm seeing is a group of people in power who have no intention of giving it up, and a bunch of people who are willing to enable their behavior because they don't want to lose power and they naively believe they won't be next. 

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Posted
6 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

lol and I'm sure all those people will learn their lesson and we'll be well past this all soon, right? right?

They'll blame Biden for all of it. 

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11 hours ago, Gap03 said:

If the Dems were smart, they'd be pushing the Supreme Court to consider this in the run-up for the 2028 election.  I know that the SC would say that the issue isn't ripe, but there needs to be existing political pressure in place to prevent Roberts and Co. from pulling the same old "Aw shucks, we just can't rule on this so close to the election, so maybe next time ..." bullshit.   

This right here. Have Obama gear up for some sort of President / Vice President campaign, and MAGA will ensure the Court closes every single loophole* Trump might use just to keep "that boy" (as my uncle called him) off the ballot. 

 

*does not apply to the "I'm going to create a national emergency and eliminate the election for "the good of the country" option 

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Posted
17 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Trump's going to cut a deal where he and his family and every family friend gets a lifetime pardon and a payment of a billion trillion dollars a year for his lifetime plus 25 years in exchange for him not running for and winning a third term.

 

“That’s one bargain of a buyout, where do we sign?” - Aggy

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Posted
14 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/31/nx-s1-5191889/is-trump-running-for-a-third-term

Other legal experts, however, point to the last sentence of the 12th Amendment, which covers the Electoral College, as a roadblock for any twice-elected president attempting to return to the White House through the vice presidency. It says that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Still, in court, a lawyer could try to argue that being a "natural born" citizen, at least 35 years old and a resident within the U.S. for at least 14 years are the only presidential eligibility requirements specified in the Constitution, says Stephen Gillers, a professor emeritus at New York University School of Law, who proposed in 2004 that Clinton run for vice president.

"I want to make it very clear that I'm identifying an argument that Trump could make in order to get back into the White House. I'm not endorsing it," Gillers says. "But we know from experience that even if it's far-fetched and it offers the possibility of a third presidential term, Trump will make it. If his health holds up, he will make the argument he likes the job. Whether or not it succeeds in court is another matter."

Gillers posits that Trump "could make a deal" with Vance that, ahead of the 2028 election, they switch places on the Republican ticket, and if they win the White House again, Vance resigns and Trump becomes president.

To avoid any debate about whether the 12th Amendment forbids presidential electors from choosing a twice-elected president as vice president, Gillers says there could be a similar arrangement in which Trump does not run on the winning Republican ticket but, after the newly elected vice president resigns, becomes vice president with congressional approval.

"It is not implausible. And just the existence of the possibility of it in the next four years gives Trump power that enhances his position," Gillers says. "The members of Congress in 2027 will know that they're not dealing with a lame duck necessarily because Trump could still hold out, through 2027 and 2028, the possibility of his return to power and the power that that possibility gives him — to get Congress to bend to his will."

Does anyone seriously believe Trump would trust Vance (or anyone not named Trump) to step down if they’re elected president and allow him to take their place?

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Posted
26 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Does anyone seriously believe Trump would trust Vance (or anyone not named Trump) to step down if they’re elected president and allow him to take their place?

True as far as it goes.  But, what does he have to lose?  

Assuming the law holds as written, he can't run for re-election to a third term.  That much is clear.

Other schemes to avoid application of the 22nd involve certain post-election events that he can't completely control.

Posted
10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

True as far as it goes.  But, what does he have to lose? 

His narcissism. Except he can’t lose that. So he will never play second fiddle to anyone for any reason even if it’s an obvious sham. He’s not going to be anyone’s opening act.

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Posted
6 hours ago, NWBuck said:

This right here. Have Obama gear up for some sort of President / Vice President campaign, and MAGA will ensure the Court closes every single loophole* Trump might use just to keep "that boy" (as my uncle called him) off the ballot. 

 

But Obama had consecutive  terms and Trump didn’t!  See, it’s different you stupid lib.

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Well If that guy is also a principled and pragmatic conservative, how about he don’t about to get married, buy a house, and have kids. Simple. 

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Posted
18 hours ago, Ojo Rojo said:

The Constitution doesn't allow a third term, period.  If he tries, either by arguing that the Constitution does allow it or by just defying the Constitution outright, then it goes to the courts and ultimately SCOTUS will rule.  There, either SCOTUS abandons the Constitution and officially becomes a member of the fascist Trump party or they rule against him and according to the Constitution.  From there, if he defies the SCOTUS order then SCOTUS will order federal marshals to remove him from the White House.  If those dudes refuse to enforce the order then we're fucked.  Trump Co. could also meet those marshals at the White House with armed guards.  There might actually be a shootout.  Whoever is left standing when the smoke clears wins.

They're going to argue that FDR got 4 terms, and that Trump would still only have 2 consecutive terms.

And when push comes to shove, I think the Supreme Court folds and lets it happen.

There is still a decent chance that he drops dead before it comes to that.  He's 78, obese, and filled with rage.

And I'd be willing to bet that every SC Justice is hoping for that so they don't have to make the call.  But if they do, I don't think they'll stand up to him.  His power by that point will be unlike anything any other president has wielded.

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The premise of this thread is important, but I think we are at a point where we just approach this as if Trump and his cult are the enemy of the country and we just have to accept that the folks who voted for him are beyond redemption.

Anyone who comes around -- that's gravy.  And if they come around, they need to be treated like the prodigal son. 

We need to laser focus on the enemies of the country who have power through money or political office.  We all bear the repercussions of allowing them to seize power.  I'm not getting much joy out of shaming the victims who were irresponsible with their votes. 

 

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Posted
50 minutes ago, GenXer said:

Leopards for america-first supply chain expert expats

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They really mean it. Dear is in all caps.

 

47 minutes ago, YChang said:

They post these messages like letters to Santa from little kids. 

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33 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

They're going to argue that FDR got 4 terms, and that Trump would still only have 2 consecutive terms.

And when push comes to shove, I think the Supreme Court folds and lets it happen.

There is still a decent chance that he drops dead before it comes to that.  He's 78, obese, and filled with rage.

And I'd be willing to bet that every SC Justice is hoping for that so they don't have to make the call.  But if they do, I don't think they'll stand up to him.  His power by that point will be unlike anything any other president has wielded.

I think the Supreme Court will hold the line.  Roberts has shown he's not just a GOP/Trump shill.



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