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On 5/7/2025 at 11:02 PM, UpperWestside said:

Everything runs its course. How long? I do not know the answer anymore than anyone else. Will it get worse before it gets better? Yes, yes it will. Many of the immigrants we already have here are a resilient lot that has seen far worse than what is happening right now. They'll survive this stupidity, but the rebuild of international goodwill is something that could take decades. 

This is a fact.  Stay the course and fight back however you can - agree you should stay within the boundaries of the law and we don't have much ammo right now.  BUT, anyone who throws their arms up and is like 'oh well, we lost, this is the end' hasn't read enough history books.  

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1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This is a fact.  Stay the course and fight back however you can - agree you should stay within the boundaries of the law and we don't have much ammo right now.  BUT, anyone who throws their arms up and is like 'oh well, we lost, this is the end' hasn't read enough history books.  

Man o'man - I really hope you are right. But this feels different than in the past, but maybe everything goes that way. I don't think the US government has ever embraced the leaders of business (oligarchy) like it is now; this country was built on immigration, but the last comprehensive reform package passed by Congress was in 1986, parts have been tweaked but no major bill since then. I live in an agricultural area, and many specialty crops will go unharvested because of fear of ICE. Before that there were high school and college kids who would pick fruits and vegetables next to immigrants, but the US youth don't want to do that work today & the immigrants can't get the VISA's they did in the past or fear they will get rounded up. Many of these were families, and the came for the harvest and went back to Mexico (this was years ago), but then Mexico became to violent so they stayed...but with no real path to citizenship or permanent status. 
MAGA throws a blind net of murderers, rapists, etc and ignores those who produce for our economy. I don't know the answer to this problem, but blindly shipping them "back" doesn't seem like the right solution.

I know some people who view this as a Trump problem, but I fear he is really the figurehead, a TV spokesman, who could rally the votes. They think that once he isn't running that balance will come back to the political system. I think there are powerful people actually pulling the strings, and changes are being made to how elections will work that will keep these people in power for many more cycles. 

No one should just throw up their arms, but I do think that people will take personal peril to challenge the party (we have really already seen this when powerful politicians have ceded their voice to Trump (and his shot callers), people like Rubio, Cruz, and many others; along with the group that were able to get elected because they worship at the feet of MAGA (Taylor Greene, at least 3 here in Michigan that I could name, Boebert, etc. 

I guess we will wait and see how the mid-terms go, with the economy stalling, tariffs on the horizon, inflation returning (if tariffs hit), the market caught between Presidential announcements, and potentially lower voter turnout. 

But hey - American Pope, born in Chicago, did a stint in seminary high school in Michigan and a Big East grad so go Pope (though to be honest I was really hoping for Cardinal Pizzaballa....because I like to say it) 

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3 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

We're post outrage.  So was this guy.  We need to be angry like this guy, even if he went too far.john-brown-tragic-prelude-john-steuart-c

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6 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

Man o'man - I really hope you are right. But this feels different than in the past, but maybe everything goes that way. I don't think the US government has ever embraced the leaders of business (oligarchy) like it is now; this country was built on immigration, but the last comprehensive reform package passed by Congress was in 1986, parts have been tweaked but no major bill since then. I live in an agricultural area, and many specialty crops will go unharvested because of fear of ICE. Before that there were high school and college kids who would pick fruits and vegetables next to immigrants, but the US youth don't want to do that work today & the immigrants can't get the VISA's they did in the past or fear they will get rounded up. Many of these were families, and the came for the harvest and went back to Mexico (this was years ago), but then Mexico became to violent so they stayed...but with no real path to citizenship or permanent status. 
MAGA throws a blind net of murderers, rapists, etc and ignores those who produce for our economy. I don't know the answer to this problem, but blindly shipping them "back" doesn't seem like the right solution.

I know some people who view this as a Trump problem, but I fear he is really the figurehead, a TV spokesman, who could rally the votes. They think that once he isn't running that balance will come back to the political system. I think there are powerful people actually pulling the strings, and changes are being made to how elections will work that will keep these people in power for many more cycles. 

No one should just throw up their arms, but I do think that people will take personal peril to challenge the party (we have really already seen this when powerful politicians have ceded their voice to Trump (and his shot callers), people like Rubio, Cruz, and many others; along with the group that were able to get elected because they worship at the feet of MAGA (Taylor Greene, at least 3 here in Michigan that I could name, Boebert, etc. 

I guess we will wait and see how the mid-terms go, with the economy stalling, tariffs on the horizon, inflation returning (if tariffs hit), the market caught between Presidential announcements, and potentially lower voter turnout. 

But hey - American Pope, born in Chicago, did a stint in seminary high school in Michigan and a Big East grad so go Pope (though to be honest I was really hoping for Cardinal Pizzaballa....because I like to say it) 

There’s hope.  I mean you’re a capitalist and likely have my political background and you’re newly hanging out in CR.  You’re the type of person that gives us hope.  
The asshole contingent is the very vocal minority.  
We will win in the end.  But, yes, there will be pain we have to endure.  But nothing like the holocaust, for example (yay?).  

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Posted
30 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

rather amazing there aren't any questionable immigrants from anglo countries ?

If you’re white and need a flight you’re alright with ‘Merica.

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3 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This is a fact.  Stay the course and fight back however you can - agree you should stay within the boundaries of the law and we don't have much ammo right now.  BUT, anyone who throws their arms up and is like 'oh well, we lost, this is the end' hasn't read enough history books.  

People have either got to know their history or someone has to educate them. Around here we have a great grasp of history and understand that none of this lasts. Every single day I will educate at least one person on history because it’s what I love. I can tell folks the similarities with what has happened in the past and give a rough outline of what will happen in this version of America.  
 

Outside of that the best thing all of us can do is you talk to people. Take the knowledge of history that you have and use it for good. You never know what person you are speaking to and how your single interaction with them could change their life for the better. Even if you do not want to make a living telling people about history just get out there. Every little bit of education and knowledge you give to someone is helpful. We will come out of this, but until then you just prepare people for what they will see happen and how to deal with it.

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Posted
4 hours ago, HenryJames said:

He didn't go far enough.

He literally took it as far as one can.

Unless you mean allowing the train to proceed or not retreating north into the woods.

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1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

rather amazing there aren't any questionable immigrants from anglo countries ?

I mean we are past that, the orange moron signed an executive order giving white South Africans asylum, not South Africans of any race, specifically Afrikaneers.

They had an election where the candidate Musk was whining about lost, meanwhile Trump won, the Hitler adjacent candidate there lost while the Hitler adjacent candidate won in the US. We are way past the mask falling off.

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1 hour ago, linux said:

I mean we are past that, the orange moron signed an executive order giving white South Africans asylum, not South Africans of any race, specifically Afrikaneers.

They had an election where the candidate Musk was whining about lost, meanwhile Trump won, the Hitler adjacent candidate there lost while the Hitler adjacent candidate won in the US. We are way past the mask falling off.

 

saw an article earlier, they still own 72% of south african farm land 

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2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

saw an article earlier, they still own 72% of south african farm land 

And I can fucking guarantee that it will be the worst of the worst not even the ones truly threatened but the 70's and 80's ruling class that got pantsed in their African Wars, the cruelty is the point they would give asylum to Joachim Peiper over an Oskar Schindler.

Posted
2 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

If you’re white and need a flight you’re alright with ‘Merica.

I think that's actually a lyric from (Upper)Westside Story 



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