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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

I'd wager a plead down to manslaughter as far more likely at best.

In Texas, manslaughter and "sudden passion" murder are both second degree felonies, with a sentencing range of 2 to 20 years.

So, to an extent, six of one, half a dozen of the other.

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2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

I don’t think a 16 year old getting 30 years on a plea deal is easy. Not saying it’s draconian. But assuming first offense it’s a pretty reasonable plea deal for a 16 year old getting murder 1.  Sentencing range is 5 to 99 for first degree murder in Texas.  They took a deal to get lower range.  And Texas isn’t exactly parol friendly. Bet they do 75 percent of the sentence. 

I tend to think 30 years should represent the upper bound for all but the most heinous felonies.

One thing that seems pretty clear is that people start to "age out" of crime in middle age, and 30 years gets a teen or young adult pretty squarely there.

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We have friends of my child in Frisco HS that knew the deceased.   This is patently false.  
 
further, if you are being bullied to the point that you feel the need to bring a weapon to defend yourself, why are you stationed under the very tent of those you are so fearful of you feel that your life is being threatened by?   This idea of rain?   They are in the football field.  Every team brings tents.  Every one.   This is how the coaches coordinate their runners.  4x100 runners….meet at the tent at xyz time, etc.   This is also where their packs are.   Packs with cell phones, headphones, etc.  It’s not done.   Ever.  I’ve been to dozens of meets between both kids.  You never.   Ever.  See another schools kid under someone else’s tent unless they are friends and talking between events.  
I'm 5 days behind, so apologies if this is covered already, but you can tell the majority of the speculators here were the bullies and not the bullied. And probably don't even realize they were bullies.

I was bullied a lot in HS . Apparently it's frowned upon to get the best grades and wreck the curve. The last thing I would ever do is intentionally go where my bullies are unless I was planning a drastic Columbine-type retaliation. It wouldn't matter how bad the rain was. I'm not hanging around to give them a target.

Either this guy was never bullied by them, or went there specifically to tempt them so he could harm them with the knife.

And I wouldn't want a stranger in my team's tent where cell phones, jewelry, etc are sitting in bags.
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Posted
3 hours ago, Helobious said:

But you’re ok with those other two kids getting off easy. Can’t imagine why

TIL 30 years in prison is "getting off easy".

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15 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

In Texas, manslaughter and "sudden passion" murder are both second degree felonies, with a sentencing range of 2 to 20 years.

So, to an extent, six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Yah... pretty much. It comes down, imo, as avoidance of a murder plead to manslaughter given the stronger social stigma assigned to murder.

To be clear it may well turn out facts present themselves that alter the ones I am currently aware of that alter the ultimate resolution. However, nothing I've seen to this point supports that direction. We will find out, mostly I think the race baiting aspects should at least end here. We're grown ass, mostly educated adults. Leave that bullshit for social media.

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19 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I tend to think 30 years should represent the upper bound for all but the most heinous felonies.

One thing that seems pretty clear is that people start to "age out" of crime in middle age, and 30 years gets a teen or young adult pretty squarely there.

This was a pretty heinous crime. 

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28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I tend to think 30 years should represent the upper bound for all but the most heinous felonies.

One thing that seems pretty clear is that people start to "age out" of crime in middle age, and 30 years gets a teen or young adult pretty squarely there.

I tend to agree.  But if someone does another violent crime after a long stretch I’m pretty okay with locking them up and tossing the key.  I’d also reserve prisons for violent crimes in most cases.  I’d rather give those accused of property crimes an option of working and paying reasonable restitution 

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

TIL 30 years in prison is "getting off easy".

They’ll be out in 15 years in all likelihood. They’ll be 31 years old. For taking a life, yeah that’s pretty easy. If the kid that did this stabbing got the same 30 year sentence I doubt you’d be saying that’s justice.

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9 minutes ago, Helobious said:

They’ll be out in 15 years in all likelihood. They’ll be 31 years old. For taking a life, yeah that’s pretty easy. If the kid that did this stabbing got the same 30 year sentence I doubt you’d be saying that’s justice.

They may or may not be out in 15. I'd love to see you do 15 years in prison then come comment about any of this, btw.

I think 30 is plenty for the kid that did this stabbing (frankly I'd find it punitive) and I don't make shit like this about race despite you attempting to will it into existence. 

I get that you're either a troll or an accidental troll in wake of your stupidity but there are levels of ignorance that bother me if I don't say anything. 

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1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

I tend to agree.  But if someone does another violent crime after a long stretch I’m pretty okay with locking them up and tossing the key.  I’d also reserve prisons for violent crimes in most cases.  I’d rather give those accused of property crimes an option of working and paying reasonable restitution 

Well I think there are signs of psychopathy that probably become fairly apparent in the criminal history of defendants. So you're not working off a single offense and sentence most of the time.

And yeah I think property crimes should be treated pretty differently from those against persons. 

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16 minutes ago, ztejas said:

They may or may not be out in 15. I'd love to see you do 15 years in prison then come comment about any of this, btw.

I think 30 is plenty for the kid that did this stabbing (frankly I'd find it punitive) and I don't make shit like this about race despite you attempting to will it into existence. 

I get that you're either a troll or an accidental troll in wake of your stupidity but there are levels of ignorance that bother me if I don't say anything. 

I never said prison was easy. But 15 years for killing someone is comparatively a pretty light punishment. I don’t think any non-mass murdering killer under 18 should be given life. But if I was god of justice those two would be spending at least 20-25 years in prison, as would this stabber. 

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1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

As someone who has spent a bit of time in jail, anything above a couple days is a long fucking time.  This opinion has no bearing on whatever sentence this kid gets, just saying.

My worst was my DUI where I sat in a cell with the lights on for 24 hours without any communication or knowing what the fuck was going on on the outside. (I'm sure other posters here have had similar experiences)

I have had guys say that county isn't always that bad. I think once you know what you're in for and when you're getting out you can kind of adapt.

That said - I think anything beyond 3-6 months in a decent situation is pretty dehumanizing and not something I'd ever like to experience. 

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26 minutes ago, ztejas said:

My worst was my DUI where I sat in a cell with the lights on for 24 hours without any communication or knowing what the fuck was going on on the outside. (I'm sure other posters here have had similar experiences)

I have had guys say that county isn't always that bad. I think once you know what you're in for and when you're getting out you can kind of adapt.

That said - I think anything beyond 3-6 months in a decent situation is pretty dehumanizing and not something I'd ever like to experience. 

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Posted
8 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I do. I had a HS Area meet today and an 8th grade district meet tomorrow. Kids most certainly do not hang out in each other’s tents. Ever. They may socialize outside the tents but not in the tents. I don’t give a fuck about ThatGuy’s humble brags about club volleyball (ooooh, I’ve got 2 athletes on 5 club teams) or his name dropping on comingling. Are there exceptions?  Sure, but it’s very rare, and to see a kid you don’t know sitting there is DEFINITELY abnormal behavior. I don’t know the point he and Jimmy and other posters are trying to make. His behavior was abnormal and aggressive, period. 

Didn’t sound like Melo was hanging out talking to Metcalfs teammates etc.  

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10 hours ago, Helobious said:

I never said prison was easy. But 15 years for killing someone is comparatively a pretty light punishment. I don’t think any non-mass murdering killer under 18 should be given life. But if I was god of justice those two would be spending at least 20-25 years in prison, as would this stabber. 

It is extremely uncommon for murderers to get out the first time they are eligible for parole.  In Texas for murders, you have to serve half your sentence before becoming eligible for parole.  You are assuming they will get out when they become eligible for parole.  That would be unusual in this state for a murder conviction.

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I think they should let the surviving twin get one stab to the chest of the murderer and whatever happens happens after.

Seems like the most human solution here. 

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Posted
11 hours ago, Helobious said:

15 years for killing someone is comparatively a pretty light punishment

If this is true, it is only because you have been conditioned to accept unduly long sentences as "normal."

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On 4/10/2025 at 8:17 AM, TwiceHorn said:

I feel naked without a pocketknife on me and have for a long time, going back to high school.  I don't think carrying even a small knife was looked upon particularly favorably in my day, but it mostly depended on whether you flashed it around or not.  This was before the days of metal detectors and at one of the whitest hs in the state.

I likely would have been one of those depositing a knife on the table, unless I thought it would be confiscated.

 

Back in my day, you see pick ups in the parking lots with rifles in the back window. Just in case you need to shoot a coyote on the way home I guess. 

 

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Posted
23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

If this is true, it is only because you have been conditioned to accept unduly long sentences as "normal."

Wait, you think more than 15 years for murder is unreasonable?

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4 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Back in my day, you see pick ups in the parking lots with rifles in the back window. Just in case you need to shoot a coyote on the way home I guess. 

 

I spent my freshman and sophomore years in the Valley.  This was early 90s.  I always had my 20 gauge and a case of shells in my trunk during dove season.  Hunted every day back then when school let out.  I was not the only one.

1 minute ago, Hate said:

Wait, you think more than 15 years for murder is unreasonable?

30 years was the sentence.

Posted
13 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

I don’t think a 16 year old getting 30 years on a plea deal is easy. Not saying it’s draconian. But assuming first offense it’s a pretty reasonable plea deal for a 16 year old getting murder 1.  Sentencing range is 5 to 99 for first degree murder in Texas.  They took a deal to get lower range.  And Texas isn’t exactly parol friendly. Bet they do 75 percent of the sentence. 

The fully grown man that brutally stabbed my cousin to death (his ex wife and mother of his child), and kept her body rotting in the garage surrounded by scented candles got 30 years. I'm not sure how I feel about that sentence to this day, and I'm not sure how I'd feel about a kid making a horrible mistake [possibly in self defense, I'm not saying it is because I don't know the full facts of the case, but still] getting the same sentence.

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26 minutes ago, Hate said:

Wait, you think more than 15 years for murder is unreasonable?

It's probably adequate for a youthful offender without a history of offenses against persons.

It only appears short because we're conditioned to de facto life sentences.

I think we should ratchet back to about 20 years for all but the most heinous crimes.  And by heinous, I mean serial killers, rape killers, vulnerable victims, etc.

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34 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Back in my day, you see pick ups in the parking lots with rifles in the back window. Just in case you need to shoot a coyote on the way home I guess. 

 

For us it was shotguns preparing to head out to hunt doves Friday after school.  But your point is taken.  Different times.  

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46 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Back in my day, you see pick ups in the parking lots with rifles in the back window. Just in case you need to shoot a coyote on the way home I guess. 

My best friend kept a putter in his truck's gun rack.  That was considered odd, although he did play on his HS and college golf teams.

Posted
31 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

I would have given him the death penalty because of the scented candles.

Should’ve used the Gwenyth Paltrow candles to really disguise the stench. 

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Posted
12 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I do. I had a HS Area meet today and an 8th grade district meet tomorrow. Kids most certainly do not hang out in each other’s tents. Ever. They may socialize outside the tents but not in the tents. I don’t give a fuck about ThatGuy’s humble brags about club volleyball (ooooh, I’ve got 2 athletes on 5 club teams) or his name dropping on comingling. Are there exceptions?  Sure, but it’s very rare, and to see a kid you don’t know sitting there is DEFINITELY abnormal behavior. I don’t know the point he and Jimmy and other posters are trying to make. His behavior was abnormal and aggressive, period. 

This might be hard for you to believe Rex but Black people aren't fond of the sun's rays...OR....heavy rain. We aren't going to "socialize outside the tents" in the hot sun. We are going to look for cover. That leads to kids sitting under other kids' tent.

Now what I heard is the twins weren't initially there because they were doing exactly what you said kids don't do, which is hang out in another tent. In the police report it also says that a kid from Memorial identified Anthony as a friend of one of their teammates. So he knew a kid from their school, and at least one other kid knew Anthony enough to know of his relationship with his teammate. Since the schools are 7 miles apart that makes sense.

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8 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

This might be hard for you to believe Rex but Black people aren't fond of the sun's rays...OR....heavy rain. We aren't going to "socialize outside the tents" in the hot sun. We are going to look for cover. That leads to kids sitting under other kids' tent.

Now what I heard is the twins weren't initially there because they were doing exactly what you said kids don't do, which is hang out in another tent. In the police report it also says that a kid from Memorial identified Anthony as a friend of one of their teammates. So he knew a kid from their school, and at least one other kid knew Anthony enough to know of his relationship with his teammate. Since the schools are 7 miles apart that makes sense.

It was cool and overcast, and at the time not raining.  The heavy deluge didn't come down until after the stabbing and they had to move the body to the tent to cover the first responders.  Even if it had been, every school has their own tent.  This isn't a flash flood or a hail storm.

The victim was headed to the tent to watch everyone's belonging, seeing the attacker under their tent.  Nobody else was there from what I have see, which is why the victim was going there in the first place and why it escalated so quickly with verbal accusations.  

Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's probably adequate for a youthful offender without a history of offenses against persons.

It only appears short because we're conditioned to de facto life sentences.

I think we should ratchet back to about 20 years for all but the most heinous crimes.  And by heinous, I mean serial killers, rape killers, vulnerable victims, etc.

One of the things I am happy to pay taxes for is to put people who kill other people in a place that’s not around me.  I have never wished that more murderers  be let out and I don’t particularly care if they “age out” of crime.  One strike you’re out for murder is OK in my book.  Its not a mistake that just happens/

 I’m happy if you reform and become a better person and prison should be a safe space where you can cultivate a rich inner life.  I’m even fine with setting up a cush Nordic-style nice prison where the reformed killers can go hang out. 

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's probably adequate for a youthful offender without a history of offenses against persons.

It only appears short because we're conditioned to de facto life sentences.

I think we should ratchet back to about 20 years for all but the most heinous crimes.  And by heinous, I mean serial killers, rape killers, vulnerable victims, etc.

It appears short because Karmello would be out of prison right about the time the deceased would be in the best part of his life.  Prime earning years, young family, etc.   But, of course he's dead so yeah 15-20 years seems pretty fucking light for destroying several lives. 

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WTF is going on here?  Why is this thread so long?  Do some people really believe someone who brings a knife to a track meet and stabs someone to death in public shouldn’t be put away in jail or an institution for a long time?  

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13 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

WTF is going on here?  Why is this thread so long?  Do some people really believe someone who brings a knife to a track meet and stabs someone to death in public shouldn’t be put away in jail or an institution for a long time?  

No. No one has said that.

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30 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

WTF is going on here?  Why is this thread so long?  Do some people really believe someone who brings a knife to a track meet and stabs someone to death in public shouldn’t be put away in jail or an institution for a long time?  

you haven't learned anything about core surly? this is what they do. if not full on, they have to at least practice.

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56 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It appears short because Karmello would be out of prison right about the time the deceased would be in the best part of his life.  Prime earning years, young family, etc.   But, of course he's dead so yeah 15-20 years seems pretty fucking light for destroying several lives. 

By that time, the victim could just as easily be on his third divorce due to being an abusive piece of shit, have lots of kids who think he's a loser, have a raging drug habit, earn a living screwing honest people out of money, i.e., working in finance or insurance, and be a general no-good piece of shit.  He would probably pay his country club dues on time, though, so on balance, he would be an okay fella.  Okay, I'm coming around to your way of thinking. 

 

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1 hour ago, Hook1997 said:

WTF is going on here?  Why is this thread so long?  Do some people really believe someone who brings a knife to a track meet and stabs someone to death in public shouldn’t be put away in jail or an institution for a long time?  

Guys the made up people in my head are attacking me, they're in the room with me right now, please don't put me in a home

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1 hour ago, Hook1997 said:

WTF is going on here?  Why is this thread so long?  Do some people really believe someone who brings a knife to a track meet and stabs someone to death in public shouldn’t be put away in jail or an institution for a long time?  

Well, as long as it's only for a decade or so.  I mean he was just a young man who never could have known thrusting a knife into someone's chest can cause problems with them keeping their heart intact.   Need that 25 yo frontal lobe development to completely understand nuanced acts such as murder.

19 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

By that time, the victim could just as easily be on his third divorce due to being an abusive piece of shit, have lots of kids who think he's a loser, have a raging drug habit, earn a living screwing honest people out of money, i.e., working in finance or insurance, and be a general no-good piece of shit.  He would probably pay his country club dues on time, though, so on balance, he would be an okay fella.  Okay, I'm coming around to your way of thinking. 

 

That's true.  You're right, better to be murdered at 17 instead.  

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1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

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You missed the part where my kid runs track too Rex. Lol. You seem a little wound up Rex, You ok?

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41 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

By that time, the victim could just as easily be on his third divorce due to being an abusive piece of shit, have lots of kids who think he's a loser, have a raging drug habit, earn a living screwing honest people out of money, i.e., working in finance or insurance, and be a general no-good piece of shit.  He would probably pay his country club dues on time, though, so on balance, he would be an okay fella.  Okay, I'm coming around to your way of thinking. 

 

We’ll never know because he is dead. 

Posted
13 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Oh I got it. I saw where she ran club track too and where you name dropped some rando Galveston Ball Longhorn. I don’t give a shit. My daughters are faster than yours.

 

Not fast enough to run track with enough black people to understand we sometimes go and hang out with other kids at their tent. Even my wife, who coincidentally ran track at the University of Nevada(the reason my kid runs track), is laughing at the idea that high school kids don't go to other kids' tents.

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2 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

WTF is going on here?  Why is this thread so long?  Do some people really believe someone who brings a knife to a track meet and stabs someone to death in public shouldn’t be put away in jail or an institution for a long time?  

The discussions about age, maturity, circumstances, etc, are things a jury will consider in determining a sentence, but I guess just woke nonsense that shouldn’t be discussed on this thread.

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14 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

The woke nonsense is just that, but it shouldn’t result in you and others making asses of yourselves for multiple pages now. 

You and the other guy are the ones coming to mock any discussion about age, maturity, and prefrontal cortex, which is literally the subject of expert testimony in criminal trials involving people under 18 years old, but yeah, others are the ones being asses.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

I’m not reading all this but it sounds like Derka shouldn’t have stabbed that guy. 

It wouldn't have happened if slorch hadn't been asleep at the switch.

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4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

One of the things I am happy to pay taxes for is to put people who kill other people in a place that’s not around me.  I have never wished that more murderers  be let out and I don’t particularly care if they “age out” of crime.  One strike you’re out for murder is OK in my book.  Its not a mistake that just happens/

 I’m happy if you reform and become a better person and prison should be a safe space where you can cultivate a rich inner life.  I’m even fine with setting up a cush Nordic-style nice prison where the reformed killers can go hang out. 

It may not be a mistake that just happens, but most murderers don't in fact recidivate as murderers, or even other violent offenses.  https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/a-new-lease-on-life/  And that despite our crime school prison system.

And they do get out, but you can rest assured that they're probably nowhere near you.  

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