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Posted
4 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Same here, except for the “fuck y’all”.

That Tate guy seems like a genuine asshole (not the Surly kind).

Gotta deport all Mexicans but the British human trafficker? Come on over!

Posted
9 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Same here, except for the “fuck y’all”.

That Tate guy seems like a genuine asshole (not the Surly kind).

He's a macho dickhead kickboxer selling hopes and dreams to fat losers.  It's akin to Michael Jordan trying to teach me how to be a better basketball player.  It's silly.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

We’re all 1% alpha top dogs of course it is skewed

Not me.  But even my not attractive ass could manage to get laid with a couple dozen different women.  

But getting laid involved some work, as no woman ever mistook young me for Brad Pitt or a millionaire.  But I had unwarranted confidence - and there was a subset of women who thought that “nice” and “ funny” and “smart” was an acceptable trade-off (at least for a shorter time period) than really good looking or successful.

My youngest son, on the other hand, always has a swooning female in his life as a gf - and always has lots of female friends.   As soon as he un-girlfriends himself, one of those female friends steps up to the plate and tells him they always had a crush on him and so they start dating.    I have no idea about my dad’s game, but as far as my son I can say that whatever success he has with the ladies obviously skipped a generation.. 

His politics are very woke/progressive, but he likes hunting and fishing and trucks and playing bass/guitar in a Neil Young cover band.   The main trait I see in him is that he works very hard at maintaining relationships with a large number of people, and is always seeing friends and doing a wide number of social events with them.  He does not sit at home in his mom’s basement playing video games all day and watching porn.  He is out living his life and being friends with a wide variety of people who have a wide variety of interests.   And his friends have a wide variety of physical appearance and occupations/hobbies. The buddies he goes herping in the swamp, looking for snakes or not the guy he plays music with.

Put more simply, he is interested in others, which makes others interested in him. He is accepting of others with differences, and so he is accepted.

 

Posted
15 hours ago, immamac said:

No one needs to teach anyone anything. Y'all are all overthinking this. People like to fuck, the ones that don't generally have a reason for it and aren't incels.

Incels aren't getting turned down by women cuz they are awesome specimens. They are fucking dweeb idiots. 

 

This. It is very easy to get laid. Everyone wants their peepees touched. Everyone. 

Now relationships,  well thats a completely different conversation.  Im horrible at them past the friendship level. 

Posted
It's really funny how this thread is all stories about young men that don't have problems because it's actually not a problem. Where are the stories of the young men we all know that are incel morons, I wanna hear those stories.

He posts here under the username Helobious. And before that we had Bedouin and Grendel.
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Posted
5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's widely thought that the Trump admin pushed to end the Tate brothers' travel ban and they were welcomed into the US.

Oh, he was a subscriber?

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

He does not sit at home in his mom’s basement playing video games all day and watching porn.  He is out living his life and being friends with a wide variety of people who have a wide variety of interests.

This is the key IMO. I had zero game and wasn't "cool" but I was never home. Once someone in my group hit 16, we we're out of the house, doing whatever the fuck we could get away with, including talking to chicks that we might not think were "hot" but dammit we were gonna go for it. The internet has definitely stunted things for both sexes. 

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Posted

As far as the upcoming generation all my frirnds kids are at college age. All the girls, 6 of them, are at an accredited university. All but one out of state because of CR reasons.  None of the 4 guys even bothered applying to schools and live at home working dead end jobs. 

Take that for what its worth.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Unironically I would bet my entire net worth that Barron Trump was

He's a 6'8 son of a billionaire, you think he worries about getting pussy? LOL he's probably drowning it in. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Sandman said:

He's a 6'8 son of a billionaire, you think he worries about getting pussy? LOL he's probably drowning it in. 

I really don't think that matters, the Tates appeal to a spectrum of shitty people, not just weird incels.

Posted
1 hour ago, utee94 said:

…and what he's found are primarily women who are divorced who can't afford their own lives, and can't and won't take care of themselves.  Lots of gold-digging, lots of codepence.  He's looking for someone that is independent and capable, like his wife was, and he's not finding it.

But none of that's really at the core for the topic at hand.

If that’s the case he should just hit the sugarbaby.com.

Posted
1 hour ago, utee94 said:

Sure there are but there are plenty of grown women who are worthless as well.  I think this line of thinking has lost the script on what the real issues are for the younger generations, which as you and others have already pointed out, aren't exactly the same issues we faced at that age, and also aren't the same issues we're facing now as 40 and 50 year olds.

One of my best friends lost his wife to cancer about 6 years ago, and after a year or two he started dating again.  He's an engineering professional, financially stable, has two high school and college aged kids who are well adjusted and make good grades.  His deceased wife was also a professional and took care of her own shit. After a couple of years he started dating again, and what he's found are primarily women who are divorced who can't afford their own lives, and can't and won't take care of themselves.  Lots of gold-digging, lots of codepence.  He's looking for someone that is independent and capable, like his wife was, and he's not finding it.

But none of that's really at the core for the topic at hand.

middle aged women have this boomerang back on them. I've warned more than a few straight women who are thinking of divorce, "are you sure?" and then I say things like, "look, men your age aren't likely to want to date you, they may want to fuck you but when it's time to resettle they are going younger" and things like, "if you want a divorce first make sure you are 100% okay with being alone and occasionally sleeping around" because that's about all that's guaranteed here.

 

46 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

I'm glad someone finally brought this up.  Lost in these discussions is that the same things apply to women (at least half of them are mediocre or below, just like the guys). This discussion, every time it comes up, whether tacitly or explicitly, puts women on a pedestal by default and assumes the very traditional notion of women being the one who sets expectations that men must meet, when in reality it cuts both ways.  You reach a certain age, as most of us here have, where you've either been through a divorce or seen many friends and acquaintances go through one.  Can anyone honestly say that in every situation it's predominantly the man's lack of effort/attractiveness/etc. that leads to the split?  In my experience, at least, it's about right down the middle in terms of which partner was the piece of shit.   That's a hetero couple only observation.  All of my gay friends who settled down have stayed happily married, so whatever secret they've figured out, they need to share it with the straights.

Being toxic, or even just boring, is not a gender specific state of being.   Many aspects of traditional male/female gender roles are in the process of flipping or altering in some way, and mid-tier women will have to recalibrate their expectations just like mid tier men have done for most of modern history. 

same thing, young women are choosing not to be in relationships, middle aged single women can't find them.

and there are plenty of lazy women, plenty that are not worth the time, but this thread is about young men and young women.

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Posted
33 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Put more simply, he is interested in others, which makes others interested in him. He is accepting of others with differences, and so he is accepted.

Bingo.  This dovetails a bit into the crisis of "individualism" vs. community (as either-or, oppositional forces).  We need groups and community to fully succeed.  So, get out there and be in and of them.  NOT online communities (I mean, look at THIS shithole), but real-world community.  It makes you more connectional, which helps you....connect.

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Posted (edited)
29 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Bingo.  This dovetails a bit into the crisis of "individualism" vs. community (as either-or, oppositional forces).  We need groups and community to fully succeed.  So, get out there and be in and of them.  NOT online communities (I mean, look at THIS shithole), but real-world community.  It makes you more connectional, which helps you....connect.

I used to enjoy the Meet up website. I used it a lot when I moved to Chicago sans any friends. I attended groups for backpacking, board gamers, skeptics, art lovers etc. Granted it was mostly nerdy guys but not exclusively and it gave me a sense of community. I even reconnected with a former co-worker at a Texas-Ex events, and now she's my ex. I watched sports in bars, went to the Viagra triangle for food and beverage, worked out regularly. That was nearly 20 years ago now... 

Today, young (for me) women (25-35) do look for older men. I've found that typically 3 things drive the ones Ive met.

1) Look for a sugar daddy or baby daddy. Those 2 are not necessarily different. 

2) Looking for an actual provider/protector who knows how to organize a fun and interesting evening, has a wide range of interests, is kind, isn't stupid and "is emotionally mature". 

3) Women with daddy issues. This can be coupled with item 1 but not always. 

4) Looking for free shit. There are a goodly number that want to be taken out by a decent looking guy to nice places and spoiled a bit. Doesn't fall into 1 because they have zero interest in intimacy or real connection. 

"So, you pervert why not date age appropriate women?" you ask. 

Well, they fall into the following.

1)  Look for a sugar daddy or baby daddy. Those 2 are not necessarily different (yep)

2) Looking for free shit. There are a goodly number that want to be taken out by a decent looking guy to nice places and spoiled a bit. Doesn't fall into 1 because they have zero interest in intimacy or real connection. 

3) Want a 6'+ guy ONLY (seriously) They won't even talk to a guy under.

4)

A - Looking for a MAGA man

B - Looking for hard-core Liberal

(I'm not being funny. It's like their profiles are recruiting tools for those parties. Its the FIRST thing in their profile. Then several talking points to the parties come after don't be X or Y)

5) Looking for a provider. Not 1. These are women who, in their 40s-50s have kids out the house, often have their own homes, but want to get married, move in together and live happily ever after and never work again. Some of these dates are like fucking job interviews. Seriously.

6) Complete messes. From no cars, to no jobs and drug addictions. Because I dont do drugs, I've had a LOT of women decline to even go on a first date because me not drinking would make them "uncomfortable"

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Posted
1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

I used to enjoy the Meet up website. I used it a lot when I moved to Chicago sans any friends. I attended groups for backpacking, board gamers, skeptics, art lovers etc. Granted it was mostly nerdy guys but not exclusively and it gave me a sense of community. I even reconnected with a former co-worker at a Texas-Ex events, and now she's my ex. I watched sports in bars, went to the Viagra triangle for food and beverage, worked out regularly. That was nearly 20 years ago now... 

Today, young (for me) women (25-35) do look for older men. I've found that typically 3 things drive the ones Ive met.

1) Look for a sugar daddy or baby daddy. Those 2 are not necessarily different. 

2) Looking for an actual provider/protector who knows how to organize a fun and interesting evening, has a wide range of interests, is kind, isn't stupid and "is emotionally mature". 

3) Women with daddy issues. This can be coupled with item 1 but not always. 

4) Looking for free shit. There are a goodly number that want to be taken out by a decent looking guy to nice places and spoiled a bit. Doesn't fall into 1 because they have zero interest in intimacy or real connection. 

"So, you pervert why not date age appropriate women?" you ask. 

Well, they fall into the following.

1)  Look for a sugar daddy or baby daddy. Those 2 are not necessarily different (yep)

2) Looking for free shit. There are a goodly number that want to be taken out by a decent looking guy to nice places and spoiled a bit. Doesn't fall into 1 because they have zero interest in intimacy or real connection. 

3) Want a 6'+ guy ONLY (seriously) They won't even talk to a guy under.

4)

A - Looking for a MAGA man

B - Looking for hard-core Democratic 

(I'm not being funny. It's like their profiles are recruiting tools for those parties. Its the FIRST thing in their profile. Then several talking points to the parties come after don't be X or Y)

5) Looking for a provider. Not 1. These are women who, in their 40s-50s have kids out the house, often have their own homes, but want to get married, move in together and live happily ever after and never work again. Some of these dates are like fucking job interviews. Seriously.

6) Complete messes. From no cars, to no jobs and drug addictions. Because I dont do drugs, I've had a LOT of women decline to even go on a first date because me not drinking would make them "uncomfortable"

Sounds like you should be taller.

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sounds like you should be taller.

I missed the ' in 6' and thought it was " as in 6" + and thought damn, women are getting aggressive and demand-forward in their online dating profiles. I just be like, yes nail care is important to me, I take care of mine and keep them trimmed and well out of the danger zone.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sounds like you should be taller.

💯 

 

 

1 minute ago, troph said:

I missed the ' in 6' and thought it was " as in 6" + and thought damn, women are getting aggressive and demand-forward in their online dating profiles.

Well, at least I would qualify there.

😘

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Posted
8 minutes ago, troph said:

I missed the ' in 6' and thought it was " as in 6" + and thought damn, women are getting aggressive and demand-forward in their online dating profiles. I just be like, yes nail care is important to me, I take care of mine and keep them trimmed and well out of the danger zone.

A good manicure is essential for butt stuff.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

 

 

 

Well, at least I would qualify there.

😘

This guy in law school showed up and started hitting on the women, he wasn't great looking but he knew where his strengths lie.... guy opened up with wanna go out on a date, I've got a 12 inch dick...  of course I'm now friends with some of my women classmates from back in the day. most guys just assumed he was aspergers or something, no turns out the guy had a 12 inch dick. who knew.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

A good manicure is essential for butt stuff.

I'm in no way a toe/foot guy but really fucked up toenails are rough and they keep drawing your attention back.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, troph said:

This guy in law school showed up and started hitting on the women, he wasn't great looking but he knew where his strengths lie.... guy opened up with wanna go out on a date, I've got a 12 inch dick...  of course I'm now friends with some of my women classmates from back in the day. most guys just assumed he was aspergers or something, no turns out the guy had a 12 inch dick. who knew.

Was he related to Milton Berle?

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Posted
17 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

3) Want a 6'+ guy ONLY (seriously) They won't even talk to a guy under.

I dated a girl that puts this in her online dating profiles. It's mostly not a real thing and more bait to weed out insecure men. 

She likes her men to just be taller than she is which isn't hard considering she's 5'4".

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Posted
Just now, Brian Fantana said:

I dated a girl that puts this in her online dating profiles. It's mostly not a real thing and more bait to weed out insecure men. 

She likes her men to just be taller than she is which isn't hard considering she's 5'4".

That's wild, because I know a lot of girls who legit wouldn't even consider a short guy.

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Posted

I knew this before but reading these posts reminds me my wife and I need to hang on for dear life to each other. We both have high paying jobs, both are fiercely independent, and want to retire in mexico soon. If I'm ever not with her, I'm perfectly content to live life alone with my sex robot. 

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Posted
Just now, immamac said:

That's wild, because I know a lot of girls who legit wouldn't even consider a short guy.

Yeah I know they exist but I've legit had like a dozen women tell me the exact same thing. It's a little different if the girl is "tall" (5'9"+).

I'm not saying short kings don't run into this, but if you're average height as a dude or taller, you're not gonna have issues 9 times out of 10 as long as you're confident.

Posted
4 minutes ago, immamac said:

That's wild, because I know a lot of girls who legit wouldn't even consider a short guy.

And its not just tall women. In fact, women under 5'3 tend to have the 6'+ more than others. 

Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

I knew this before but reading these posts reminds me my wife and I need to hang on for dear life to each other. We both have high paying jobs, both are fiercely independent, and want to retire in mexico soon. If I'm ever not with her, I'm perfectly content to live life alone with my sex robot. 

Mastersbating is far cheaper, way quicker and sometimes more enjoyable.

Sugar daddy life is a better ROI. Allegedly.

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Posted
5 hours ago, UTGrad98 said:

I think it's going to be a somewhat moot point in x number of years where a guy or girl can just buy an ai robot companion and program it how they see fit. I've often wondered what the secondary/used market place would look like once they get tired of the robot they are fucking. 

A used market already exists for sex dolls. 

https://sexdolltrader.com/f-a-q/

 

Posted
6 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

This isn't a new thing either. 

It’s not. Height translates to people as power, masculinity and success. It’s why short people generally don’t elected President 

Posted
14 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah I know they exist but I've legit had like a dozen women tell me the exact same thing. It's a little different if the girl is "tall" (5'9"+).

I'm not saying short kings don't run into this, but if you're average height as a dude or taller, you're not gonna have issues 9 times out of 10 as long as you're confident.

Especially if you're an outlier.  My son is tall, but in the US, there are plenty of other tall guys.  In Scotland?  His friends use him as a point of reference in bars, because he's generally 4 inches or more taller than everyone else.  And he says yes, that fact alone has girls there going up and approaching him.  At which point he sighs, and says "it's a shame most of the girls in Scotland are short, round, and orange [WAY too much face makeup is a thing]."

But as someone of just a bit above average height, and decent but nothing special in the looks department, it's amazing how far "confident and funny and ambitious" will take you.  But I guess advice of "don't be a loser" is a bit too much of a tautology for a lotta guys.

Posted (edited)

Height for men is like breast size on women:  Generally more is better, to a point. Like many things, it can be a deal breaker when you are young when it comes to long term relationships.  There are people out there who prefer the itty bitty titty committee, just like some women value a short king, but that's not the norm. As people age, we tend to start caring less about certain physical qualifiers and are more looking for companionship. 

I'm talking relationship parameters. Woman will lower their standards just like men when they want to drink and fuck.  

As a manlet myself, I've never found it to be an issue, but I also have a charming personality. 

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Posted
25 minutes ago, immamac said:

That's wild, because I know a lot of girls who legit wouldn't even consider a short guy.

I know a lot of short guys who legit would not consider them if they had A cups.  Six of one…

Posted

This thread is something I think about often. I have a 20 yr old son, 19 yr old daughter, 17 yr old daughter.  

Here are the big contributors in my view:

1. A wide ideology gap that is growing wider

Young women are far more liberal than they have been in my lifetime.  I can see this in my kids and their friends. Young men are trending the other direction and the divide in ideology between the two is increasing.  And when the ideology is that different, many women view men as "monsters" and are afraid of them.  And the men view the women as "men haters" and want nothing to do with them.  My son was routinely attacked in high school and at UT for offering up even moderate opinions.  

I'm sure you all have seen this chart before, but it definitely tracks my personal observations:

Widening ideological gap between young men and women. Why ...

 

2. Women won't date less educated men

This is another big one.  Women are more educated than at any time in world history.  For thousands of years, women have been socially programmed to want a guy who is at least as educated as themselves.  And if the men are less educated, then they better be very successful / rich or they have zero shot. 

Well, now colleges are 60% made up of women.  Who are all of these educated women going to date?  Is a female engineer or boss babe going to date an auto mechanic?  Not in my experience.  So the women devote themselves to their work, rising in their organizations while collecting "bodies" in their casual dating, all the while becoming less attractive to the increasingly conservative young men.  

U.S. College Enrollment by Gender, 1947-2019 [OC] : r/dataisbeautiful

3. Increased social isolation

People are spending more time than ever alone.  Remote work, remote school, decrease in social activities, decrease in faith-based and community activities, etc. have reduced the intersection points that fueled dating for previous generations.  So people turn to dating apps, and only the top% of people end up getting all the action. 

This all starts when people are young and just gets worse as they get older.   

 

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Posted

Age can alter the playing field.  I’m far better looking at 70 than I was at 25 - at least we compared to my overall male peers at the time. 

Having all my hair, not overweight, and not needing blue pills puts me ahead of a hell of a lot of older dudes now…..and that being alive part.   Being a woke libtard in a sea of MAGA is a positive in certain female circles here. And a HUGE negative as well in others. 

Posted
11 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Age can alter the playing field.  I’m far better looking at 70 than I was at 25 - at least we compared to my overall male peers at the time. 

Having all my hair, not overweight, and not needing blue pills puts me ahead of a hell of a lot of older dudes now…..and that being alive part.   Being a woke libtard in a sea of MAGA is a positive in certain female circles here. And a HUGE negative as well in others. 

I'm not a libtard nor maga so I'm completely fucked being a short, fat, poor, ignorant, redneck-hoodrat.

But I got 10 so.... 

Posted
23 minutes ago, HookEm said:

This thread is something I think about often. I have a 20 yr old son, 19 yr old daughter, 17 yr old daughter.  

Here are the big contributors in my view:

1. A wide ideology gap that is growing wider

Young women are far more liberal than they have been in my lifetime.  I can see this in my kids and their friends. Young men are trending the other direction and the divide in ideology between the two is increasing.  And when the ideology is that different, many women view men as "monsters" and are afraid of them.  And the men view the women as "men haters" and want nothing to do with them.  My son was routinely attacked in high school and at UT for offering up even moderate opinions.  

I'm sure you all have seen this chart before, but it definitely tracks my personal observations:

Widening ideological gap between young men and women. Why ...

 

2. Women won't date less educated men

This is another big one.  Women are more educated than at any time in world history.  For thousands of years, women have been socially programmed to want a guy who is at least as educated as themselves.  And if the men are less educated, then they better be very successful / rich or they have zero shot. 

Well, now colleges are 60% made up of women.  Who are all of these educated women going to date?  Is a female engineer or boss babe going to date an auto mechanic?  Not in my experience.  So the women devote themselves to their work, rising in their organizations while collecting "bodies" in their casual dating, all the while becoming less attractive to the increasingly conservative young men.  

U.S. College Enrollment by Gender, 1947-2019 [OC] : r/dataisbeautiful

3. Increased social isolation

People are spending more time than ever alone.  Remote work, remote school, decrease in social activities, decrease in faith-based and community activities, etc. have reduced the intersection points that fueled dating for previous generations.  So people turn to dating apps, and only the top% of people end up getting all the action. 

This all starts when people are young and just gets worse as they get older.   

 

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This is fucking dumb, Women aren't voting 30% different than men. fucking garbage ass study.

Posted
30 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It’s not. Height translates to people as power, masculinity and success. It’s why short people generally don’t elected President 

the height bias in humans is seriously strong. like shockingly strong.

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Posted
1 minute ago, immamac said:

This is fucking dumb, Women aren't voting 30% different than men. fucking garbage ass study.

It's not all women - it's age 18-29.  And while that number still seems high, it doesn't seem that off-base either.

Posted
18 hours ago, immamac said:

No one needs to teach anyone anything. Y'all are all overthinking this. People like to fuck, the ones that don't generally have a reason for it and aren't incels.

Incels aren't getting turned down by women cuz they are awesome specimens. They are fucking dweeb idiots. 

 

It would be interesting to see how your Captain Caveman looking ass would fare in today’s environment.

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