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2 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

My general impression of Kerrville is funds can be found for this but less so for actual life-saving government services. 

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But of course:

The image features "The Coming King Sculpture Prayer Garden" in Kerrville, Texas, a 24.5-acre landscaped park dedicated to Christian art and spiritual reflection. 
 
  • Prominent Features:
    The garden's centerpiece is "The Empty Cross," a unique contemporary cross sculpture and a major landmark in Kerrville. The image also shows a sculpture of a figure on horseback, symbolizing "The Coming King". 
     
  • Purpose:
    The Coming King Foundation established the garden to honor Jesus Christ and create a place for prayer and contemplation, aiming to bring glory and souls to Jesus Christ. 
     
  • Location:
    Situated off I-10 at the main entrance to Kerrville, the garden is uniquely located on the same latitude as Israel and midway between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. 
     
  • Significance:
    The garden is a popular tourist attraction known for its spiritual significance, featuring various sculptures, Scripture Tiles with Bible verses, and prayer plaques within "The Empty Cross". 
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31 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Nobody in the Texas Legislature gives a fuck about anyone from Uvalde. 

I'm not trying to be crass this soon after this tragedy but I can tell you now they aren't going to give one single fuck about this either.

The reason being is any sort of meaningful deep dive will expose the truth of their mismanagement from the top down and just like every tragedy in this state, this is the official position of our Republican overlords:

Do ostriches really bury their head in the sand? © Alamy

 

...and this will probably be the same for a lot of the families (at least the ones running in prominent circles). The main tenant of the modern GOP is solidarity in never admitting a mistake. This will be chalked up to "God's will" and prayers will be asked for, time will pass and nothing will change. To admit a mistake is to admit failure which is not an option for the GOP. 

The only time a member of the GOP finds a backbone is when they're retiring or dying. Once they've used up their cache and it no longer serves a purpose, only then do they speak out against the hive mind. 

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2 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

 

Y'all are both (fuck now it's ALL of you) right.  The NWS and meteorologists did their jobs.  I misstated myself.  What I meant to say that NWS being short staffed could have been part of the problem.    But I have also seen that being short staffed alluded to for being maybe under estimating the magnitude of the event?  And all the talk about the 100 year events is based on data and analysis by the NWS and watershed authorities (corp of engineers, etc).  So defunding them, cutting staff could have been part of the initial problem.  Not defending myself, it was an error.  

I think it deflects blame from camp, local and state officials. 

the storm was stronger than anyone expected but the forecast was severe enough to cause reasonable people to take action, and they did not. Those are the ones to blame. 

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44 minutes ago, C-Man said:


I had a discussion with my wife last night. The confusion of watch vs warning is confusing enough. Let’s use something like the DEFCON system from WarGames. 5 is no big deal. 1 is get the fuck out, we’re all gonna die. Something like that. Americans are stupid. Make it easier.

The natural response is always to prod the pros to do things better. And I want to be clear that I am a huge advocate of the NWS and NOAA and am furious at their defunding, and the DOGE massacres.  That absolutely has to be part of the post-op.

But the fact is that user error is usually at fault and that’s where the deep probing needs to happen.  Weather forecasting is always inexact and you will never have a system that can’t be ignored. 

 

The tough questions are going to be on the camp side. Questions like: who monitored weather and emergency alerts and how? What was the plan in place if you had gotten advance warning in time? How often did you practice that plan? What staff members knew the plan? What did the campers know about the plan? Was it activated? How far along did you get?

I have a suspicion that the breakdown was around the first and second question. Maybe I’m wrong.  

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Trump has been uncharacteristically quiet concerning all this. Think back to how vocal he was when 12 people died in the Palisades Fire.

when come to lives lost, this tragedy is much worse.

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9 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

But of course:

The image features "The Coming King Sculpture Prayer Garden" in Kerrville, Texas, a 24.5-acre landscaped park dedicated to Christian art and spiritual reflection. 
 
  • Prominent Features:
    The garden's centerpiece is "The Empty Cross," a unique contemporary cross sculpture and a major landmark in Kerrville. The image also shows a sculpture of a figure on horseback, symbolizing "The Coming King". 
     
  • Purpose:
    The Coming King Foundation established the garden to honor Jesus Christ and create a place for prayer and contemplation, aiming to bring glory and souls to Jesus Christ. 
     
  • Location:
    Situated off I-10 at the main entrance to Kerrville, the garden is uniquely located on the same latitude as Israel and midway between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. 
     
  • Significance:
    The garden is a popular tourist attraction known for its spiritual significance, featuring various sculptures, Scripture Tiles with Bible verses, and prayer plaques within "The Empty Cross". 

Believe it is privately funded but certainly costs magnitudes more than the projected $1 million to upgrade the local warning systems.

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3 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

and this will probably be the same for a lot of the families (at least the ones running in prominent circles). The main tenant of the modern GOP is solidarity in never admitting a mistake. This will be chocked up to "God's will" and prayers will be asked for, time will pass and nothing will change. To admit a mistake is to admit failure which is not an option for the GOP. 

The only time a member of the GOP finds a backbone is when they're retiring or dying. Once they've used up their cache and it no longer serves a purpose, only then do they speak out against the hive mind. 

 100% this. When he visits, that fat dumb fuck should be relentlessly peppered with questions about his plans for FEMA, why the fuck he's defunding nws/NOAA etc...., why he's pushing for coal and less renewables etc... Instead they will all bow their heads in prayer to Trump and maybe if they have time, that Jesus guy.

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Just now, troph said:

I think it deflects blame from camp, local and state officials. 

the storm was stronger than anyone expected but the forecast was severe enough to cause reasonable people to take action, and they did not. Those are the ones to blame. 

My take is Camp Mystic is to blame for their tragedy. They are locals and should have been well aware that there were no sirens or advance flood warning system locally. It should have been standard protocol that they have a night watch crew equipped with weather radios or whatever necessary to monitor for any updates from NOAA/NWS. Same goes for Camp La Junta or any other campground in that area. They had plenty of prior warning to move people to higher ground. 

Kerr County and anyone involved in neglecting to set up sensors and sirens in a known flood plain should have to answer for the lives of all those poor folks from the RV sites and houses on the banks of the river that were lost.

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5 minutes ago, speed817 said:

Coward.....should just kill himself since he's so useless.....

 

 

You are out of line posting shit like that. Telling someone to commit suicide for not answering a question from a reporter? Get a grip.

What does the city manager of Kerrville, TX have to do with a camp located in a different town (Hunt)? 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I don't see NWS being at fault hardly at all, even with the cuts, they warned of "life-threatening flooding" about an hour before it took place.

Seems like everything downstream of NWS and local is at major fault for not seeing that NWS' message was distributed where it mattered and not reacting with sufficient urgency.

At 1am, only loud ass sirens were going to do any good.  What percentage of people are up checking weather updates at that time?

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2 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

At 1am, only loud ass sirens were going to do any good.  What percentage of people are up checking weather updates at that time?

People in a low lying areas should be.

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2 hours ago, Brandywine said:

And a book written by Jake Trapper. 


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(I haven’t read Tappper’s book but I haven’t heard anything about him referencing the Reagan administration and the early signs of Alzheimer’s.)

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9 minutes ago, pacman said:

Believe it is privately funded but certainly costs magnitudes more than the projected $1 million to upgrade the local warning systems.

Privately funded by the wealthy beneficiaries of tax cuts who will parlay themselves into hero status.

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8 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I can't remember if Jewish campers participated

There were a couple of Jewish campers in my cabin and the one above ours.  They gathered for a separate service IIRC.  I wouldn't have described Longhorn as a "Christian" camp either.  But things seemed less in your face back in the 80s, except when it wasn't, in which case, it seemed very in your face.

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2 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

except there are 2 dozen pissed-off rich/right/white dads that lost their girls

this is why the regime is scared and why the state resources didn't just flow they teleported in to place by 9am

it's just reality - i'm neither defending nor attacking their white privilege

will these po'ed dads take a knee for their orange god?

we'll know in 2 weeks

Of course they will.  Remember the aftermath of the El Paso Wal-Mart shooting?  Fucking disgusting.

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15 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:


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(I haven’t read Tappper’s book but I haven’t heard anything about him referencing the Reagan administration and the early signs of Alzheimer’s.)

Well see, that all happened before Millenials and Gen-Z were born so it never happened.  See also, NASA's achievements vs the almighty, amazing, totally badass Space-X achievements.

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25 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

My take is Camp Mystic is to blame for their tragedy. They are locals and should have been well aware that there were no sirens or advance flood warning system locally. It should have been standard protocol that they have a night watch crew equipped with weather radios or whatever necessary to monitor for any updates from NOAA/NWS. Same goes for Camp La Junta or any other campground in that area. They had plenty of prior warning to move people to higher ground. 

Kerr County and anyone involved in neglecting to set up sensors and sirens in a known flood plain should have to answer for the lives of all those poor folks from the RV sites and houses on the banks of the river that were lost.

I agree. I’ve said it a dozen times. Personal responsibility, local government should be a redundancy. State government should intervene when you have systemic risk over a broad area or the costs are too much for local tax base. There plenty of blame to go around.

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20 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

My take is Camp Mystic is to blame for their tragedy. They are locals and should have been well aware that there were no sirens or advance flood warning system locally. It should have been standard protocol that they have a night watch crew equipped with weather radios or whatever necessary to monitor for any updates from NOAA/NWS. Same goes for Camp La Junta or any other campground in that area. They had plenty of prior warning to move people to higher ground. 

Kerr County and anyone involved in neglecting to set up sensors and sirens in a known flood plain should have to answer for the lives of all those poor folks from the RV sites and houses on the banks of the river that were 

River gages. Whose gonna pay for that?

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As someone mentioned in one of the ten million threads we have going on, any organization that has hundreds of young boys and girls gathered in one spot should be running a damn tight security shop no matter how far out in the boonies they are.  Part of the security procedure better include staying up to date on breaking news.  It doesn't even have to be weather related, all sorts of unsavory characters are out there and you better know if one of them is headed to your target-rich environment.

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42 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

I'm not trying to be crass this soon after this tragedy but I can tell you now they aren't going to give one single fuck about this either.

The reason being is any sort of meaningful deep dive will expose the truth of their mismanagement from the top down and just like every tragedy in this state, this is the official position of our Republican overlords:

...and this will probably be the same for a lot of the families (at least the ones running in prominent circles). The main tenant of the modern GOP is solidarity in never admitting a mistake. This will be chalked up to "God's will" and prayers will be asked for, time will pass and nothing will change. To admit a mistake is to admit failure which is not an option for the GOP. 

The only time a member of the GOP finds a backbone is when they're retiring or dying. Once they've used up their cache and it no longer serves a purpose, only then do they speak out against the hive mind. 

this is the best explanation of why the right cries for the protection of the right in dt

it explains why ana and seed and others write what they write

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29 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:


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(I haven’t read Tappper’s book but I haven’t heard anything about him referencing the Reagan administration and the early signs of Alzheimer’s.)

The book was interesting and a quick read. I don't necessarily agree with all the conclusions however I do think the critisisms about it not focusing on trump are a little dumb. There are dozens of book about trump being a piece of shit. There are thousands of hours of news coverage about trump being a piece of shit. There was hundreds of hours of trumps trials.   No one gives a shit. Everyone knows about it. Like I don't know what Trapper could have written about trump that would have mattered to anyone. The book about Biden though was good for the historical record since so much of it covers the 2024 election. 

 

Still the cartoon is pretty funny. 

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Here’s the Mo Ranch story:

It was about 1 a.m. on the Fourth of July when the facilities manager at a central Texas summer camp saw water from the Guadalupe River steadily rising amid a deluge of rain.

Aroldo Barrera notified his boss, who had been monitoring reports of the storms approaching Presbyterian Mo-Ranch Assembly, a recreation destination where an intercultural youth conference had been called off early just hours earlier.

Despite an absence of warning by local authorities, camp officials acted quickly on their own, relocating about 70 children and adults staying overnight in a building near the river. With the kids safe, camp leaders including President and CEO Tim Huchton were able to avoid the catastrophe that hit at least one other camp near Hunt, where the 500-acre Mo-Ranch is located.

“They helped them pack up,” Lisa Winters, communications director for Mo-Ranch, told The Associated Press on Sunday. “They got them up, they got them out, put them up on higher ground.”
 

They had a plan and executed it.  In another report I heard they actually moved a bunch of kayaks and canoes to higher ground also.  The same thought process probably went on at La Junta as well.  To @troph’s point all the camps should have an emergency plan and drill on it before any kids show up. It’s government’s job to require they have it in place and provide adequate warning. 
 

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38 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

You are out of line posting shit like that. Telling someone to commit suicide for not answering a question from a reporter? Get a grip.

What does the city manager of Kerrville, TX have to do with a camp located in a different town (Hunt)? 

That was in the comments section of whatever Blue Sky calls their equivalent of tweets.  Maybe he's the one that posted it in the comments, but I hope he just picked one of the most shocking responses and didn't type it out himself (or herself).

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41 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

My take is Camp Mystic is to blame for their tragedy. They are locals and should have been well aware that there were no sirens or advance flood warning system locally. It should have been standard protocol that they have a night watch crew equipped with weather radios or whatever necessary to monitor for any updates from NOAA/NWS. Same goes for Camp La Junta or any other campground in that area. They had plenty of prior warning to move people to higher ground. 

Kerr County and anyone involved in neglecting to set up sensors and sirens in a known flood plain should have to answer for the lives of all those poor folks from the RV sites and houses on the banks of the river that were lost.

it is beyond asinine that kerrville does not have tornado sirens in the year 2025

i'm shocked we don't have a state law that requires them for any city of more than 1000 people

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It was about 1 a.m. on the Fourth of July when the facilities manager at a central Texas summer camp saw water from the Guadalupe River steadily rising amid a deluge of rain.

Aroldo Barrera notified his boss, who had been monitoring reports of the storms approaching Presbyterian Mo-Ranch Assembly, a recreation destination where an intercultural youth conference had been called off early just hours earlier.

Despite an absence of warning by local authorities, camp officials acted quickly on their own, relocating about 70 children and adults staying overnight in a building near the river. With the kids safe, camp leaders including President and CEO Tim Huchton were able to avoid the catastrophe that hit at least one other camp near Hunt, where the 500-acre Mo-Ranch is located.

“They helped them pack up,” Lisa Winters, communications director for Mo-Ranch, told The Associated Press on Sunday. “They got them up, they got them out, put them up on higher ground.”
 

They had a plan and executed it.  In another report I heard they actually moved a bunch of kayaks and canoes to higher ground also.  The same thought process probably went on at La Junta as well.  To @troph’s point all the camps should have an emergency plan and drill on it before any kids show up. It’s government’s job to require they have it in place and provide adequate warning. 
 
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It’s great to see that reporters are asking real questions. Unfortunately it took a lot of dead girls to give these journalists a bit of a spine. They need to put pictures of the girls in every newspaper and news broadcast.

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36 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

People in a low lying areas should be.

Those entrusted with 700 girls in low lying areas for damn sure better be.

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41 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

At 1am, only loud ass sirens were going to do any good.  What percentage of people are up checking weather updates at that time?

Oh I don't know, just brainstorming here ... but maybe the people running these camps situated along a river and responsible for hundreds of kids as it was violently storming. 

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Trump has been uncharacteristically quiet concerning all this. Think back to how vocal he was when 12 people died in the Palisades Fire.
when come to lives lost, this tragedy is much worse.
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Pope Francis and Zelensky have had more to say about this than Trump.
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This state has broken me.  I recognize this is a huge tragedy and feel for the friends and families of those known to be deceased and those still missing, but for whatever reason I'm not fighting back tears or feeling much of anything deep inside.  Uvalde fucking wrecked me and ever since my ability to feel sympathy and compassion has weakened greatly.  Fuck this god damn state.

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I was driving to the North Austin area to go play a poker tournament on Saturday. I knew there was still flooding going on but I didn't have any idea how bad it was not that far south/southwest of me, driving down 1331 towards the Granger Lake area I got an emergency alert about flash flooding "in the area" that I wish I had taken a screenshot of because I was stunned by how utterly useless it was. No information whatsoever on the location of the flooding or even what county the alert was for. It's no wonder that most Texans simply ignore these.

e: There was no flooding at all where I was or where I live (I was still in Milam County at the time).

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At 1am, only loud ass sirens were going to do any good.  What percentage of people are up checking weather updates at that time?

A shitty motel with 50 rooms has a night clerk throughout the night to monitor for problems.

A camp with over 600 young girls sure as hell better have people awake at all hours, looking out for any potential danger. When that camp is next to a river and the forecast shows a chance of flash flooding, that should be the threat you don’t take your eyes off of.
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4 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

A shitty motel with 50 rooms has a night clerk throughout the night to monitor for problems.

I worked as a night clerk at a shitty motel with 50 rooms one summer.  You have way too much regard for our attention to detail and responsibility.

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4 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:


A shitty motel with 50 rooms has a night clerk throughout the night to monitor for problems.

A camp with over 600 young girls sure as hell better have people awake at all hours, looking out for any potential danger. When that camp is next to a river and the forecast shows a chance of flash flooding, that should be the threat you don’t take your eyes off of.

Ok but what are they going to do, go kick the flood's ass to give the girls time to escape? Flash flood warnings are pretty common this time of year, you can't prematurely evacuate hundreds of people every time you get one.

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8 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Ok but what are they going to do, go kick the flood's ass to give the girls time to escape? Flash flood warnings are pretty common this time of year, you can't prematurely evacuate hundreds of people every time you get one.

Is this a fucking joke?

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Just now, Steamboat1874 said:

Is this a fucking joke?

Hyperbole, not a joke. I went to one of these camps for 5 years, there is absolutely no way you could have evacuated everyone without a better emergency warning system in place. The existing one is a joke and doesn't tell you shit. They aren't going to evacuate a whole camp full of people based on it is what I was trying to say.

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1 minute ago, Fastbreak said:

I just read that phones, laptops, watches and tablets are banned at camp mystic. Maybe that also had something to do with it…

 

1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

i think we are going to learn that the campers and counselors:

- were on their own

- had no plan

- had no training on situational awareness

- had no idea a flood was even possible

Which is why it is even more critical that there were adults monitoring the situation. And in an emergency situation, those items if kept centrally, should be returned ASAP. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

I just read that phones, laptops, watches and tablets are banned at camp mystic. Maybe that also had something to do with it…

That's true for the campers, but I read that all adults were required to have their cellphones with them at all times.

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3 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

had no idea a flood was even possible

This is the big one. No one even conceptualizes something like this until it happens, even in a place like that.

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Julie is not only a complete fucking idiot but a cunt as well.
Fuck that piece of shit.

I checked out her profile. “She” amazingly plays all the hits for the administration. Bonus, “she” claims to be Canadian.

I quote “she” because 90% of posts on Twitter are now either bots or enemies of the state masquerading as “Julie”
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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The natural response is always to prod the pros to do things better. And I want to be clear that I am a huge advocate of the NWS and NOAA and am furious at their defunding, and the DOGE massacres.  That absolutely has to be part of the post-op.

But the fact is that user error is usually at fault and that’s where the deep probing needs to happen.  Weather forecasting is always inexact and you will never have a system that can’t be ignored. 

 

The tough questions are going to be on the camp side. Questions like: who monitored weather and emergency alerts and how? What was the plan in place if you had gotten advance warning in time? How often did you practice that plan? What staff members knew the plan? What did the campers know about the plan? Was it activated? How far along did you get?

I have a suspicion that the breakdown was around the first and second question. Maybe I’m wrong.  

I think you are mostly right.

But those camps are also a fixture down there and probably the highest-population-density areas outside Kerrville proper for 50-60 miles in any direction.

It prompts the question why local officials didn't get off their asses, call all the camps, or hell, stop by, and say, "hey, you know what's going on with the weather, right?  Do you have a plan?  If not, let's make one right now."

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