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Posted
7 hours ago, Anastasis said:

This isn't really compelling critique Twice. I respect you as a poster. Some of your shit over the last few pages is just not you man. Its ok. Tenuous times. 

Im me can't be anyone else.

Kirk was sharp, no question.  I think he was probably quite a savant on electoral politics.  But on substantive ideas, he starts talking fast and spewing bullshit.  Like on the trans issue, the words he said most were "chemical castration."

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6 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Figured that was the case. I recommend docusate and hydration, call me in the morning.

Not that it would matter anyway, cuz it would just lead to another dead end Steele Dossier-esque derail that does nothing to refute the point that domestic right-wing terrorism dwarfs that of left-wing terrorism.

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2 minutes ago, bluto said:

Trump saying suspect in custody 

 

Trump was the first to officially announce the death of Charlie Kirk. 

Now he's announcing the suspect has been caught. 

Everything goes through God Trump now. 

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7 hours ago, C-Man said:

There's a couple of responses to that tweet saying this event and location was only announced six days prior.

Announced is the key word there. It would have had to be planned before the announcement. There was no reason for anyone involved in the planning not to speak freely about it. It's not a presidential visit like the ones when we used have presidents.

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They're second rate sophistry is slipping down into those also receiving votes

If you distinguish between public and private settings for the more polite way to assassinate someone, you believe polite, private assassinations are okay. 

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Posted
8 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's really the scariest thing about a shit FBI.  

They are the domestic anti-spy, anti-terrorist organization with a substantial intel component.  And I think these people are really suffering under the regime and the combined onslaught of Patel, Gabbard and the other clowns.  Moreso than conventional law enforcement.

Well it’s because they’re doing it on purpose. 

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8 hours ago, Blotto said:

because its AI garbage

This photo is from 2023, and you can see the landscaping is really filling in nicely

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Obviously but it’s being pushed by conservative sides on social media to alter away the original American flag and eagle shirt the original image had. 

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7 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

He also spews a whole lot of bullshit.  He does a more rational way than the usual TP or Charlie Kirk show, but its still bullshit.

That is his whole debate style. Just overload whomever he’s debating with info and words the. Use circular arguments and when pushed into a corner go to the tried and true religious beliefs to protect a wrong thought or opinion. My favorite Charlie Kirk video is when he went to the UK and debated students there and got his ass completely handed to him because I guess brittish kids are smarter than American kids? But it was hilarious how he performed across the pond. 

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7 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Just real talk. I sincerely respect Twice as a poster. But some of his shit recently is lazy. 

His beloved judicial branch  is raping our country so he’s a pretty distraught right now in having to balance his love of SCOTUS with their terrible actions. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

That is his whole debate style. Just overload whomever he’s debating with info and words the. Use circular arguments and when pushed into a corner go to the tried and true religious beliefs to protect a wrong thought or opinion. My favorite Charlie Kirk video is when he went to the UK and debated students there and got his ass completely handed to him because I guess brittish kids are smarter than American kids? But it was hilarious how he performed across the pond. 

I am intrigued by Oxbridge and that level of British education.  From here, it seems to be more rigorous than US university education.  But I can't really be sure.  I work with Oxbridge educated lawyers on a pretty regular basis and they're sharp, no question, but I can't say moreso than US lawyers.

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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Im me can't be anyone else.

Kirk was sharp, no question.  I think he was probably quite a savant on electoral politics.  But on substantive ideas, he starts talking fast and spewing bullshit.  Like on the trans issue, the words he said most were "chemical castration."

Double fuck him. 

If he is sharp, no question, and he's talking castration of transpersons, then he chose to be a monster for popularity. 

I only knew his name and basic stance, thanks for filling me in on just how bad this has become. It was already bad that such monsters were not shouted down; it's particularly grotesque to have the raper-in-chief disgrace state decorum by heroizing Kirk.

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So Steven Crowder lies his ass off or has a Trump flunky in the ATF lie to him and this nonsense about trans writing being engraved on the bullets gets sent out into the world.  Now Megyn Kelly is telling everyone that vicious trans activists are on a killing spree against innocent Americans.  /facepalm

Fuck this sociopathic bitch and all the right-wing grifters like her.  Spewing hate 24/7 and then when one of their own gets tagged they still find a way to endanger minority groups by painting them as the evil other who is sullying their lily white, straight, Christofascist utopia.

 

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22 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

If you distinguish between public and private settings for the more polite way to assassinate someone, you believe polite, private assassinations are okay.

Considering that tossing citizens and others into vans to be taken to facilities out of the public eye was already believed to be okay, this should come as no surprise. An etiquette for killing is something humans have been negotiating for much longer than our lifetime.

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1 minute ago, SpiralOut said:

So Steven Crowder lies his ass off or has a Trump flunky in the ATF lie to him and this nonsense about trans writing being engraved on the bullets gets sent out into the world.  Now Megyn Kelly is telling everyone that vicious trans activists are on a killing spree against innocent Americans.  /facepalm

Fuck this sociopathic bitch and all the right-wing grifters like her.  Spewing hate 24/7 and then when one of their own gets tagged they still find a way to endanger minority groups by painting them as the evil other who is sullying their lily white, straight, Christofascist utopia.

 

It’s the Republican machine at work controlling narratives. Unfortunately democrats have no counter to this because the left media as a whole is fractured. 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

His beloved judicial branch  is raping our country so he’s a pretty distraught right now in having to balance his love of SCOTUS with their terrible actions. 

MIght want to revise that to Supreme Court.  Because, again, the judicial branch is really the only thing standing in Trump's way.

I don't love the Supreme Court.  It has always been almost exclusively a political entity when it comes to political issues, ie Calvinball.  They also happen to do regular, actual law.  It just so happens that sometimes what people think is a nakedly political decision is really more of an application of law.  Sometimes, more rarely, what appears to be a strictly or fairly "legal" decision is nakedly political.

It has to be something of an accident, a lucky one for the right, that the Roberts court learned to use and abuse the shadow docket in favor of Trump/executive power.  Because if and when these cases come up on the merits, and they do what they did on the shadow docket but with reasoning this time, shit's going to get even more unpleasant for them.

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11 hours ago, Hermanator said:

For all the "this shouldn't be celebrated" crowd I ask this. 

What is a solution to stopping the country from falling completely into a maga authoritarian dystopia? We see now what happens if hate mongers are allowed to brainwash people with impunity 24/7. How do you put a stop to it at this point with non-violent means? 

Or are you wanting to roll over and allow them to rule over us all if it means not having to commit or condone violence?

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31 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Announced is the key word there. It would have had to be planned before the announcement. There was no reason for anyone involved in the planning not to speak freely about it. It's not a presidential visit like the ones when we used have presidents.

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They're second rate sophistry is slipping down into those also receiving votes

If you distinguish between public and private settings for the more polite way to assassinate someone, you believe polite, private assassinations are okay. 

What do I win?

What a terrible era for "comedians"

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It’s the Republican machine at work controlling narratives. Unfortunately democrats have no counter to this because the left media as a whole is fractured. 

 

3 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

This is the problem....   You and I feel that way but to a much larger chunk of Americans than we would like to admit, he did.   

This is what I keep coming back too...   Most Americans aren't paying attention to what inanity comes out of Kirk and Trump's mouths every day.   The media only play the 20 second sound bites where they says something sort of in-line with normal.   In Kirk's case, I used to think that they didn't know his positions but now I know they.  They knew enough about Charlie Kirk to support him and his positions.   

I said this is an another thread but I used to be able to at least understand some of those who voted for Trump as "I've always voted GOP" or that Republicans are more pro-business or would "fix" immigration.  It is pretty evident that isn't the case.   They want a President who spews vile words.  They want to be told what to do and are OK with authoritarianism.  

And the outpouring of grief from so many on the right, not just talking heads, but regular people has me convinced that there are just too many that are OK with the racism and misogyny and the move to authoritarianism.   The NFL having a moment of silence last night...   Kirk's body being taken to Phoenix on AF2 (whatever happened to waste, fraud and abuse)...   A commentator losing his job for comments that were not incendiary and certainly far less egregious than things that have come from Kirk and GOP leadership over the past 10 years.  These got thumbs up from a lot of people on the right.   There is a dark undercurrent in American conservatives that isn't going to get fixed.   

The right has spent the last 48 hours declaring war on those who don't support Trump and his cause.   They are spewing bile about how terrible to left is.   I'm just perplexed at where we are.  

It, whatever it is, is broken and I don't think there's a solution.   There's no deprograming to to do.  This country is populated by too many who don't like those not like them.  Whether that is LGBTQ, minorities, liberals, whatever.  I used to look at Texags or SECRant posters and think (or maybe hope) that it really was a small undercurrent of Americans.   It's not.   

This is America.

See above. In addition to that democrats do not know how to operate in this age of media and it’s showing in the younger demographics. 

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35 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Gross.

I mean, to conflate this shit to ratings.

Example 1,000,893,623 of Trump’s narcissism and his dogshit soul if he indeed had one.

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Posted
4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

These organizations are currying favor with the chief executive without being explicitly told to, because that’s what is expected and those who don’t will be noticed. For the same reason, most MSM is avoiding accurate reporting on what Kirk said and worked for (it’s possible to do so without condoning or justifying the attack and 30 years ago they would have). They do not want to be targets of the hate machine or an outburst from the Oval. 
 

Speaking of cancel culture and soft censorship. They are all obeying in advance. 

100% this.   I didn't add this into me diatribe earlier but the extent of kow-towing the American media has done the last 10 years is horrifying.  

The abdication of telling the truth and being honest is a travesty.

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13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I am intrigued by Oxbridge and that level of British education.  From here, it seems to be more rigorous than US university education.  But I can't really be sure.  I work with Oxbridge educated lawyers on a pretty regular basis and they're sharp, no question, but I can't say moreso than US lawyers.

I think post graduate education in the US remains relatively unharmed at this moment especially in the professional degrees and in the areas where politics aren’t naturally connected. While law has some politics it really doesn’t in law school outside of con law and civil liberties. We are a country of morons for headline purposes but following a bell curve there are almost 20% of the college bound kids that are one to two std deviations above the mean and the sample set is college kids not the entire population. That’s a really smart group of generally smart folks and a good percentage are choosing law, medicine, business, engineering, etc. and going to post graduate institutions that to-date are left unharmed. I have no doubt that the top students at the top 50 law schools today are just as whip smart as they were 25 years ago.

the problem isn’t the top the problem is the middle and bottom. 

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Just now, troph said:

I think post graduate education in the US remains relatively unharmed at this moment especially in the professional degrees and in the areas where politics aren’t naturally connected. While law has some politics it really doesn’t in law school outside of con law and civil liberties. We are a country of morons for headline purposes but following a bell curve there are almost 20% of the college bound kids that are one to two std deviations above the mean and the sample set is college kids not the entire population. That’s a really smart group of generally smart folks and a good percentage are choosing law, medicine, business, engineering, etc. and going to post graduate institutions that to-date are left unharmed. I have no doubt that the top students at the top 50 law schools today are just as whip smart as they were 25 years ago.

the problem isn’t the top the problem is the middle and bottom. 

Mainly the middle is argue. The bottom will always be the bottom and make up a smaller demographic. The middle is where the degradation will really show as a whole for the country. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Mainly the middle is argue. The bottom will always be the bottom and make up a smaller demographic. The middle is where the degradation will really show as a whole for the country. 

Agreed.

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4 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

100% this.   I didn't add this into me diatribe earlier but the extent of kow-towing the American media has done the last 10 years is horrifying.  

The abdication of telling the truth and being honest is a travesty.

I’d say the spinelessness of the left wing media and sitting on decorum and such is just as complicit in this degradation as the right. Doing nothing is sometimes worse 

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5 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Is there going to be an opening band for the Big Reveal?

Yes, two eactually.

The Naked Authoritarians

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One other thing that I thought bizarre about Kirk-Newsom is that Kirk said two related things.  First, he said Democrats (and he kept saying "Democrat party" where the addition of party dulls that a little bit but it's still that dumbass Democrat thing) didn't do long-form podcasts (that much is true).  But he also said something to the effect that they lacked the intellect or flexibility to do so.  And then went on to say there's no debate in the Democratic party.  And went on to say there was healthy debate among Republicans.

That was laughable bullshit.

There was a takeaway from that though.  Democrats have tons of internal debate, it's fractured as hell, it's just never resolved is the problem.  Republicans get resolution in terms of whatever Trump wants.  And it gets ignored when Trump flip flops on the resolution with the popularity wind and/or personal pique.

He was very much a demagoguery enabler, if not a demagogue himself.  Also very, very savvy about internet media.

Related note.  Just finished Careless People by accident.  Trump's people manipulated Facebook in ways Facebook wasn't even aware of until after the fact, using its demographic tools to persuade and dissuade voters in the 2016 election.

The Republicans have become extremely adept at using behind-the-scenes techniques to persuade and tilt the playing field in their favor, far far ahead of Democrats.  Even still, without Trump's bizarre appeal to dumbasses, I don't think they are where they are.

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35 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Announced is the key word there. It would have had to be planned before the announcement. There was no reason for anyone involved in the planning not to speak freely about it. It's not a presidential visit like the ones when we used have presidents.

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They're second rate sophistry is slipping down into those also receiving votes

If you distinguish between public and private settings for the more polite way to assassinate someone, you believe polite, private assassinations are okay. 

What do I win?

Assassinations… in public?!

Oh my, heavens.
How bourgeois… how gauche.

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Posted
13 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I'm just glad that I'm not the host of a liberal podcast on a college tour right now.

A few months ago I told a young professor friend of mine that he should start a podcast and become the left’s version of Charlie Kirk (minus the racism, homophobia, etc.) to fire up the base of young men on the left. He looked me right in the eye and said, “fuck no, I don’t want to get murdered. I’m already on the TPUSA professor watchlist.” 

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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

One other thing that I thought bizarre about Kirk-Newsom is that Kirk said two related things.  First, he said Democrats (and he kept saying "Democrat party" where the addition of party dulls that a little bit but it's still that dumbass Democrat thing) didn't do long-form podcasts (that much is true).  But he also said something to the effect that they lacked the intellect or flexibility to do so.  And then went on to say there's no debate in the Democratic party.  And went on to say there was healthy debate among Republicans.

That was laughable bullshit.

There was a takeaway from that though.  Democrats have tons of internal debate, it's fractured as hell, it's just never resolved is the problem.  Republicans get resolution in terms of whatever Trump wants.  And it gets ignored when Trump flip flops on the resolution with the popularity wind and/or personal pique.

He was very much a demagoguery enabler, if not a demagogue himself.  Also very, very savvy about internet media.

Related note.  Just finished Careless People by accident.  Trump's people manipulated Facebook in ways Facebook wasn't even aware of until after the fact, using its demographic tools to persuade and dissuade voters in the 2016 election.

The Republicans have become extremely adept at using behind-the-scenes techniques to persuade and tilt the playing field in their favor, far far ahead of Democrats.  Even still, without Trump's bizarre appeal to dumbasses, I don't think they are where they are.

@troph and I amongst others here have had this talk in the Democratic Party thread. Basically there are too many focus groups on the left to properly push narratives and a lot of times they can’t or won’t because it could cause one of the focus groups to become angry. But I maintain that to correct this country the Democratic Party needs to sets aside the focus groups to really fight for this country and our democracy. I am not saying they need to stop protecting them or whatever because I know that will be the counter. But if the democrats lose gen z and younger millennials that is bad news for the party. They need to be setting up and aligning the left wing media machine to move into this era of politics because if you can’t compete you can’t protect those groups you have have said you’d protect 

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To pile on my general shitty attitude this morning.   I'd bet dollars to donuts that Kirk's body is going to lay in state at the Capitol Rotunda.

Just another data point that it's over.   The right won.  

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1 minute ago, Macanudo said:

To pile on my general shitty attitude this morning.   I'd bet dollars to donuts that Kirk's body is going to lay in state at the Capitol Rotunda.

Just another data point that it's over.   The right won.  

He will. The man who believes the civil rights act was a mistake is receiving our nations highest honors. 
 

This is their Reichstag moment. 

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2 minutes ago, MrBig said:

A few months ago I told a young professor friend of mine that he should start a podcast and become the left’s version of Charlie Kirk (minus the racism, homophobia, etc.) to fire up the base of young men on the left. He looked me right in the eye and said, “fuck no, I don’t want to get murdered. I’m already on the TPUSA professor watchlist.” 

I have turned away political aspirations a dozen times even told two higher level staffer / strategists no in one on one meetings. It wasn’t an all out pitch but more of a”you should think about it” and “well if you ever do decide, I can help” type conversations st a happy hour. I’ve thought about moving to settle in a district and then run, fuck to the fuck no. No way no how, I too don’t want to get murdered. And that fear is real right now among democrats.



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