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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

No haven't been able to watch videos this morning. Was he carrying the whole assembled rifle when he jumped down from the building?

Yes.  Wrapped in the black towel but clearly carrying it 

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59 minutes ago, immamac said:

He got shot in the fucking neck. None of that matters. It wasn't a ricochet and it wasn't body armor failure. He got shot in the mother fucking neck and it exploded. Nothing really more to analyze. 

Seriously it's the dumbest thing to argue about. Who gives a shit?

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Yep. Bullet passed through an area in which nothing in its path would have deformed, deflected, or shattered it, and it wasn’t dense or long enough to make it tumble. Clean in and out, imparting lots of energy to the soft tissue which could not handle it. 

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15 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Stupid fucking social media and true crime podcasts have turned everyone into a "well, actually...." person

There is not always a grand conspiracy or fake out.  Jesus Christ. 

Patton Oswalt's deceased wife turned all female true crime junkies into believing they are making a difference. 

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So the expectation I am seeing from a few networks is that CK will be formerly charged. Patel is facing some senate questioning on the Hill prior to the court appearance. Not sure why? Or does anyone know? Is it a closed session kind of thing? 

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7 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

So the expectation I am seeing from a few networks is that CK will be formerly charged. Patel is facing some senate questioning on the Hill prior to the court appearance. Not sure why? Or does anyone know? Is it a closed session kind of thing? 

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Posted
2 hours ago, immamac said:

Next he's gonna tell me that he didn't get shot. It was just an invisible man who slit his throat at the exact time the gun noise went off. It was fucking aliens 

Well, do you have any evidence that it wasn't aliens? 

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https://ksltv.com/local-news/utah-man-who-falsely-claimed-he-shot-charlie-kirk-booked-into-jail/819948/

This give us some insight on why that first man was arrested in the case. 

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Dutson, who was on duty during Kirk’s speech last week, said after the Turning Point USA founder was shot and people began running, Zinn approached him.

“[Zinn] immediately started yelling at me, ‘I shot him, now shoot me,’” Dutson wrote. “I could see both of his hands and could not see a weapon.”

After taking Zinn to the UVU Police Department, Dutson said Zinn asked for an attorney but also said “he did not shoot the individual (Kirk). He stated he did it to draw attention from the real shooter.”

George Zinn is pictured in a 2013 booking photo. (Salt Lake County)

After arriving at the hospital, Zinn told officers he “was glad he said he shot the individual so the real suspect could get away. He also stated to officers that he wanted to be a martyr for the person who was shot,” according to the affidavit.

 

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I will say I belong to a good group. Not like you fine people here. I was invited in which was cool. One of our founders, Peter Hyatt (OG of statement analysis) did sadly pass away earlier this year from a rare form of cancer but we have a lot of former police and FBI in the group. 
 

thank you guys for sharing insights though. We just don’t know a whole lot about Utah or how their procedures work. 

31 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

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Yeah typo. I’m trying hard not to give these shooters names and fucked up, the shooter obviously. Lol. 😂 

Posted
46 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

How familiar is everyone with all these death cults operating across the globe?  764?

hmm im only familiar with our very prominent American death cult 🤔😝

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I’d like to think if I was in an online group and someone said “hey i got a gun and I’m headed to go kill so and so” that I’d turn their asses in. I am not saying this is what happened here. How do you know if they are even serious?

 

I bring this up bc almost every shooter in the last decade has communicated their intentions online and it doesn’t seem like anyone took the hundreds of so doing this shit seriously at all, sad. 

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump claimed Monday that he would have ordered flags lowered to half-staff following the assassination of a Minnesota Democratic state lawmaker this summer had he been asked by the state’s governor. But Trump at the time refused to even call Democratic Gov. Tim Walz to express his condolences, saying it would only “waste time.”


Trump made the remark during an unrelated Oval Office event as he defended his decision to lower U.S. flags after last week’s slaying of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

After announcing that he was deploying the National Guard to Memphis, Trump was asked Monday why he signed an order lowering flags nationwide after Kirk’s killing during an event in Utah, but didn’t do so after former Democratic state House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed in June.

Trump replied, “Well, if the governor had asked me to do that, I would have done that.”

“But the governor of Minnesota didn’t ask me,” the president said.


He continued, “I wouldn’t have thought of that. But I would have if somebody had asked me,” and added: “Had the governor asked me to do that, I would have done that gladly.”

Walz’s spokesperson did not immediately comment on the president’s remarks.

But Walz tweeted a video call for unity on Monday evening that featured references to Hortman’s assassination and the recent shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic church that killed two students and injured 21 people. The video included feel-good scenes from the recent Minnesota State Fair but didn’t mention Kirk.


“The world feels crazy right now, but we won’t lose hope. We will get through this, together,” Walz said.

Trump’s assertions omitted the fact that — days after Hortman and her husband were shot dead in their home in the northern Minneapolis suburbs — the president was asked if he’d be calling Walz. Trump suggested that doing so would “waste time.”

Presidents often reach out to governors, mayors and other elected officials at times of tragedy, such as after mass killings or natural disasters, to offer condolences and, if needed, federal assistance. But Trump said then that Walz, the Democratic vice presidential nominee against Trump in last year’s election, was “slick.”


“I think the governor of Minnesota is so whacked out. I’m not calling him. Why would I call him?” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One in June. He then added, “The guy doesn’t have a clue” and “he’s a mess. So, you know, I could be nice and call him but why waste time?”

Teddy Tschann, a spokesperson for Walz, responded at the time with a statement saying, “Governor Walz wishes that President Trump would be a President for all Americans, but this tragedy isn’t about Trump or Walz.”

Trump also said Monday that he planned to attend Kirk’s funeral this weekend in Arizona and added that he’d likely be speaking.

“I guess I’ll say a few words, I don’t know,” he said. “But I guess I will.”

 

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30 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

President Donald Trump claimed Monday that he would have ordered flags lowered to half-staff following the assassination of a Minnesota Democratic state lawmaker this summer had he been asked by the state’s governor. But Trump at the time refused to even call Democratic Gov. Tim Walz to express his condolences, saying it would only “waste time.”

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They literally asked about Hortman and he said "who?" 

Posted
4 hours ago, chainsaw said:

what about the escape?

It was covered upthread, but I'll add a video here.   He ran across the roof to a different spot where there was no staircase.  Perhaps he felt it was out of view.  It was so soon after the shooting that he probably could have gone back to the staircase and walked away.

He dropped down to the ground while apparently carrying a bag, appeared to hurt his leg a bit on the fall, and limped away.

 

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Between the 71 year old man who seems like a complete whack job to the community of furries and the roommate/possible love interest this case is tailor made for surly. Like AI gifted them with it.

Question: so if a male is attracted to a male who is transitioning to be a woman…what is the appropriate term for the non-transitioning male? Nonbinary? I just want to know the correct term in an effort to be respectful. Does that mean the male is gay? Bisexual? In the LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 spectrum where would the shooter fall IF IF IF his romantic partner is a male transitioning to be a female? Sorry to be confusing. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Between the 71 year old man who seems like a complete whack job to the community of furries and the roommate/possible love interest this case is tailor made for surly. Like AI gifted them with it.

Question: so if a male is attracted to a male who is transitioning to be a woman…what is the appropriate term for the non-transitioning male? Nonbinary? I just want to know the correct term in an effort to be respectful. Does that mean the male is gay? Bisexual? In the LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 spectrum where would the shooter fall IF IF IF his romantic partner is a male transitioning to be a female? Sorry to be confusing. 

There is a weird subculture of blackpilled incels called "transmaxxers" that feel like they failed at being masculine (failed "chadmaxxers"), so they'll go female to reap the perceived social benefits. It's not LGBTQ, it's more so an expression of body dysmorphia and incredibly antisocial behavior.

There was a decent explainer linked in another thread, it's a weird weird world of angry young men with deep seated antisocial rage. It's not left or right, it's just antisocial behavior 

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15 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Between the 71 year old man who seems like a complete whack job to the community of furries and the roommate/possible love interest this case is tailor made for surly. Like AI gifted them with it.

Question: so if a male is attracted to a male who is transitioning to be a woman…what is the appropriate term for the non-transitioning male? Nonbinary? I just want to know the correct term in an effort to be respectful. Does that mean the male is gay? Bisexual? In the LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 spectrum where would the shooter fall IF IF IF his romantic partner is a male transitioning to be a female? Sorry to be confusing. 

 

Here's an explainer to get our collective feet wet:

 

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2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

@Nicole44

Google AI summary

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Yes, trans people are soooooooooooooooooooooo beloved, anyone would just transition so the can get laid.

 

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11 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Between the 71 year old man who seems like a complete whack job to the community of furries and the roommate/possible love interest this case is tailor made for surly. Like AI gifted them with it.

Question: so if a male is attracted to a male who is transitioning to be a woman…what is the appropriate term for the non-transitioning male? Nonbinary? I just want to know the correct term in an effort to be respectful. Does that mean the male is gay? Bisexual? In the LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 spectrum where would the shooter fall IF IF IF his romantic partner is a male transitioning to be a female? Sorry to be confusing. 

 

I might regret making this post..

Trans men are men. Trans women are women. If you're a straight dude and you find a trans woman hot, that doesn't mean you're gay. It means women are hot. Unfortunately, all too often, men believe the opposite and end up taking it out on the trans woman. 

I'm a lesbian. I would not date a trans man even though I love pussy and I love dykes. A trans man is a man. Like, not for me no thanks.* 

*This is a gross simplification of the wide spectrum of gender identity and presentation that exists within the lesbian community and in no way is meant to erase or minimize the butch/dyke experience/expression. This is fucking Surly Horns.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Captainant said:

There is a weird subculture of blackpilled incels called "transmaxxers" that feel like they failed at being masculine (failed "chadmaxxers"), so they'll go female to reap the perceived social benefits. It's not LGBTQ, it's more so an expression of body dysmorphia and incredibly antisocial behavior.

There was a decent explainer linked in another thread, it's a weird weird world of angry young men with deep seated antisocial rage. It's not left or right, it's just antisocial behavior 

Thanks.😊 

 

I’m just a lame ass normie. I struggle and fail to be in the know about stuff these days. In my high school days we just had Goths. That was it. And Goth encompassed many people who probably would have formed their own or different group under LGBTQ instead of goth. And when the Columbine Shooting happened it was then a war on Goths. And the media just lumped in all of them. Not saying back in HS the Goths didn’t hate us normies or nerds or jocks bc they absolutely did…but it was like all of them got lumped into the shooting category. And it was sad and unfair to see that play out when I was in school. 
 

But it was Amarillo High School. And there were Not a ton of options for us Sandies. (Mascot of my HS) 

Utah said he is seeking the death penalty. On the assassin 

Posted
7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yes, trans people are soooooooooooooooooooooo beloved, anyone would just transition so the can get laid.

 

We arrived at different conclusions about these transmax individuals. I don’t think sexual acts are a part of their motives. I think they are still incels, but believe a woman’s life would be easier to navigate than a man’s. Maybe I’ve got it wrong. And, no, I don’t think women have it easier. I’m not that clueless.

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FYI a live presser from Jeff Gray the Utah County DA is speaking on the shooter.

He made his own decision based on the evidence to seek the DP. There is no word so far on whether CK’s widow has weighed in or if her if she has even been asked for her feelings or wishes. None of that. 

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Damn the Utah County DA giving a TON of information. Much more than my true crime group expected except one lady who said she watched some arraignment type thing with that Utah Mormon YT mom who starved her kids and that they gave like the whole case. Weird. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

On what basis?

He said and I am paraphrasing on the known evidence at this point and that it was HIS decision which I took to mean he is making that solo without consultation. So an assumption on my part. The mom saw the shooter’s picture on the news and thought it was her son. Called him and he said he’d been sick in bed. She got off phone and talked to her husband and they agreed it was their son it was picture. 
 

DA is saying he was in a romantic relationship with his roomie and that the parents said he became more angry. The rifle was given to his son a while ago as a bday present, his dad called him and asked him to see the gun, and then the shooter said he would take his own life but they were able to get him to come to his parents. The family friend then met with him and convinced him to turn himself in. The boy confessed to his parents. Said there was too much hate in the world and he killed Kirk bc Kirk spread hate. He told his parents he disposed of the clothes he was wearing. FBI spoke to his romantic roomie partner and he had texted the roomie saying he was going to take out CK and he’d found a way to do it. He confessed by text to his roommate. The roomie had no knowledge. Roommate was shocked and very upset 

There is a ton of text conversation from the roomie with the killer after the crime and basically he’s fucked with this text back and forth from the roomie and killer, roomie not involved at all but the conversations are damning for the shooter he’s fucked. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

DA is saying he was in a romantic relationship with his roomie and that the parents said he became more angry. The rifle was given to his son a while ago as a bday present, his dad called him and asked him to see the gun, and then the shooter said he would take his own life but they were able to get him to come to his parents. The family friend then met with him and convinced him to turn himself in. The boy confessed to his parents. Said there was too much hate in the world and he killed Kirk bc Kirk spread hate. He told his parents he disposed of the clothes he was wearing. FBI spoke to his romantic roomie partner and he had texted the roomie saying he was going to take out CK and he’d found a way to do it. He confessed by text to his roommate. The roomie had no knowledge. Roommate was shocked and very upset 

There is a ton of text conversation from the roomie with the killer after the crime and basically he’s fucked with this text back and forth from the roomie and killer, roomie not involved at all but the conversations are damning for the shooter he’s fucked. 

How did he have a room mate if he was living at home with his parents? I missed the explainer for that

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In one of the text from the shooter to the uninvolved roommate/ romantic partner:

Roomie: it wasn’t you was it? I thought they caught the guy. 
 

Killer: no that was some random old man. It was me (paraphrasing)

 

lots of this: he explains how, why, where he put the gun, when (he’d been planning it for a week) all of it. Totally fucked. 

 

 

Just now, Captainant said:

How did he have a room mate if he was living at home with his parents? I missed the explainer for that

So he would come home from time to time but primarily lived with the roomie. They became lovers after becoming roommates. I think is what is being said. 

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Oh holy fuck that one text between he and the roomie (and I have to keep stressing the roomie had no fucking idea and was shocked and horrified) 

Most damning text and I’m paraphrasing:

The assassin in his text confession to the roommate said that once he “disposed of the weapon he will have left no trace” of his shooting CK. 

What a fucking idiot! You can’t walk down the street without being caught on camera. How does a young person who grew up with ring cameras everywhere not know that there are cameras all over a campus fucking moron.

he then asked his roommate to delete his account and delete any and all conversations b/w him and the roomie. 
 

How does not a young kid not understand it’s not how that works? How any of this works? Geez and I thought I was out of the loop with all the AI stuff. Fml. He’s cooked. 

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If anyone is concerned that this asshole will be a folk hero no worries. This kid is a fucking moron. No one will worship this. 
 

he planned it for a week

he Says this to his parents and also in a text to roomie

he tells his roomie he has to get rid of the gun. The gun was an heirloom from his dad that belonged to the shooters grandfather, he says once he gets rid of the gun he will have left no trace. No trace. Okeedokee. He will not be worshiped like this other asshat Luigi. Nope. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Oh holy fuck that one text between he and the roomie (and I have to keep stressing the roomie had no fucking idea and was shocked and horrified) 

Most damning text and I’m paraphrasing:

The assassin in his text confession to the roommate said that once he “disposed of the weapon he will have left no trace” of his shooting CK. 

What a fucking idiot! You can’t walk down the street without being caught on camera. How does a young person who grew up with ring cameras everywhere not know that there are cameras all over a campus fucking moron.

he then asked his roommate to delete his account and delete any and all conversations b/w him and the roomie. 
 

How does not a young kid not understand it’s not how that works? How any of this works? Geez and I thought I was out of the loop with all the AI stuff. Fml. He’s cooked. 

Well, he's cooked regardless.  I mean, there is no way this goes unpunished with the death penalty.  The only real question is going to be, does the retribution stop at the murderer directly responsible for Charlie Kirk's death?

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I’m concerned that no mention was made of the widow’s wishes. Maybe the Governor overreached when he said that? Her wishes would be considered. I think the DA was saying back off to the Feds I am calling the shots and seeking the DP and it’s my decision and my case. Like posturing is how I read it. 

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