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Thanks for the work you put in on this. It’s interesting that this approach seems like the opposite of the conservative, run first and short passes “identity” that worked against OU. So we have two extremes that this team runs well and Sark just keeps searching for the sour spot in the middle. 

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1 hour ago, Bevo&Pevo said:

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Hahaha. Yeah. Reading that back in the am hurt my eyes too. This what happens when I am typing really fast at 2am, and just trying to finish. Terribad. So basically Sark simplified the offense for Arch in the 4th. He changed from his usual convoluted route concepts, to simple, easy to read/execute routes. Then he ran those plays repeatedly in the 4th.

1 hour ago, Duane Moore said:

Thanks for the work you put in on this. It’s interesting that this approach seems like the opposite of the conservative, run first and short passes “identity” that worked against OU. So we have two extremes that this team runs well and Sark just keeps searching for the sour spot in the middle. 

That is what it seems like. I don't know why Sark hates spread concepts so much but everytime we use them the offense starts moving. All these kids come from this world, with all the 7 on 7 and such. Dude is just stubborn. We gave Arch basic, high school, Tony Franklin route concepts and dude was out there dealing. 

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This saves me from rewatching to figure out what changed. 

Essentially, we played 2020s CFB instead of 2000 CFB. 

This shouldn't be crazy difficult:

*Spread the defense. 

*Use RB or TE to protect when the situation calls for it. 

*Get the ball out quickly and let the skill players work.

 

I can't even with these slow developing play action NFL ass pass plays that only work with quality NFL OLines (notice it doesn't work for the Texans, Panthers, Bears, Dolphins...) 

Get it out. 

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3 minutes ago, Slacks said:

This saves me from rewatching to figure out what changed. 

Essentially, we played 2020s CFB instead of 2000 CFB. 

This shouldn't be crazy difficult:

*Spread the defense. 

*Use RB or TE to protect when the situation calls for it. 

*Get the ball out quickly and let the skill players work.

 

I can't even with these slow developing play action NFL ass pass plays that only work with quality NFL OLines (notice it doesn't work for the Texans, Panthers, Bears, Dolphins...) 

Get it out. 

You are 100% correct. CFB was never better offensively than when teams were spreading the ball around in my opinion. I think what happened was some players got drafted off spread teams and had to adapt to the NFL style making them look like busts. So highly touted recruits started looking for CFB teams with more NFL concepts and here we are. What is your take on that Slacks? Why are we making offense difficult?

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32 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Find yourself a woman that loves you as much as Sark loves playing TEs that aren’t a pass catching threat and can’t block for shit.

That motherfucker loves him some TEs don't he? I just don't get it. Just more bodies laying on the ground for our RBs to navigate. 

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This was all reminiscent of Tom Herman. Run my typical shit until the 4Q. Get behind and say spread them out and let the QB work. Time is a flat circle 

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4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

That motherfucker loves him some TEs don't he? I just don't get it. Just more bodies laying on the ground for our RBs to navigate. 

Yeah but at least they’re good for a penalty or 3 every game!

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7 minutes ago, D3zii said:

Damn this is beautiful. So I guess we won’t be seeing any of this against Vandy 

You guessed it. We will trot out there with 88 and 84 first snap on Saturday, then promptly run play action off of split zone blocking schematics, where a TE has to come across the formation and pick up the backside DE. Because looks. Lol

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3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

This was all reminiscent of Tom Herman. Run my typical shit until the 4Q. Get behind and say spread them out and let the QB work. Time is a flat circle 

Yep. They just employ different techniques on how to get a QB killed. 

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3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You guessed it. We will trot out there with 88 and 84 first snap on Saturday, then promptly run play action off of split zone blocking schematics, where a TE has to come across the formation and pick up the backside DE. Because looks. Lol

Caldwell might actually have a better understanding of that offense, so if the line holds up at all (lol), it might actually work. 

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Dude this is a great break down.  Thanks for the time and effort.  We really could have witnessed Wingo smashing school records yesterday if he could catch.   
 

I have no idea why sark fucking hates this offense that arch seems to be so successful in.  The wait until your fucked. Incase of emergency break glass shit is why we are going into OT back to back weeks against the 2 worst sec teams.   It’s obvious he can scheme the guys open and arch seems a little more swagger and comfortable in 11 man.  Quick hitters 1-3 step Drops with pre determined reads.  As we all already know this failure of a season is on sark  but seeing that we are capable of putting up 24 points in 7 minutes after being stoned all game is frustrating 

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He didn't learn the most important lesson there is from Saban.  You have to adapt to circumstances.  You think Saban liked changing to a more open offense?  He didn't, but he liked winning so he did it anyway.

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36 minutes ago, Slacks said:

This saves me from rewatching to figure out what changed. 

Essentially, we played 2020s CFB instead of 2000 CFB. 

This shouldn't be crazy difficult:

*Spread the defense. 

*Use RB or TE to protect when the situation calls for it. 

*Get the ball out quickly and let the skill players work.

 

I can't even with these slow developing play action NFL ass pass plays that only work with quality NFL OLines (notice it doesn't work for the Texans, Panthers, Bears, Dolphins...) 

Get it out. 

Eh, GDGD was running 3 wides/1TE or 4/5 wides in the 2000s (different routes, similar formations)

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Just now, Sgt Hulk said:

Dude this is a great break down.  Thanks for the time and effort.  We really could have witnessed Wingo smashing school records yesterday if he could catch.   
 

I have no idea why sark fucking hates this offense that arch seems to be so successful in.  The wait until your fucked. Incase of emergency break glass shit is why we are going into OT back to back weeks against the 2 worst sec teams.   It’s obvious he can scheme the guys open and arch seems a little more swagger and comfortable in 11 man.  Quick hitters 1-3 step Drops with pre determined reads.  As we all already know this failure of a season is on sark  but seeing that we are capable of putting up 24 points in 7 minutes after being stoned all game is frustrating 

The underlined comes down to a few simple realities. First, I am confident it is Sark's ego that leads him to go right back to the offense that hasn't worked time and again. He actually believes, due to his ego, that somehow, some way it will, this time. Why? Because I think his ego has unfortunately allowed him to drink his own coolaide with help from media and others that he is an offensive genius. Second, all of the staff on offense are long-term friends of Sark's. Essentially, yes men that aren't questioning or arent in the position to question his choices. So nobody is checking Sark on them at all. (CDC should step in here) Third, because of the first two, not having contact drills in spring or summer, all combined with poor talent evaluation skills and a flat unwillingness to align the game plan to the strengths of the players and weaknesses of opposing defenses, Sark believes, actually truly believes that it will work, has to work. Part of that is the law of diminishing returns he has fallen victim to. His ego says he was right, he's been trying to show he was right all season long, if it now reverses course after all this time, effort and energy he will be forced to admit, to both himself and the world he was wrong. He can't be wrong because he's a offensive genius. He's coached these players, they will execute it next time. It's impossible that they won't, because he's a genius, came up with this scheme and knows they are capable.

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Sark is going full on Jimbo at A&M with Kellen Mond. Run an extremely complex “NFL style offense” have route trees and concepts so complex it mind fucks your WR and requires years of work to earn playing time. Recruit a bunch of fatass cubes on the O line that can’t run your exotic protections and finally have your extremely athletic QB do drop backs and stand in the pocket. Jimbo and Kellen Mond made me so much money in 2017-2019 because betting on A&M to cover was a lock as Jimbo and the offense would always fuck around for 3 quarters until the game was out of reach at which point Jimbo would let Mond start just making plays and running and all of a sudden the offense would come alive and score.

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20 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Caldwell might actually have a better understanding of that offense, so if the line holds up at all (lol), it might actually work. 

It's hard to say how much he's absorbed since he has been here, but he seems to be pretty comfortable or maybe Sark knows what Caldwell likes and goes to his Caldwell playbook. 

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2 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

Sark is going full on Jimbo at A&M with Kellen Mond. Run an extremely complex “NFL style offense” have route trees and concepts so complex it mind fucks your WR and requires years of work to earn playing time. Recruit a bunch of fatass cubes on the O line that can’t run your exotic protections and finally have your extremely athletic QB do drop backs and stand in the pocket. Jimbo and Kellen Mond made me so much money in 2017-2019 because betting on A&M to cover was a lock as Jimbo and the offense would always fuck around for 3 quarters until the game was out of reach at which point Jimbo would let Mond start just manning plays and running and all of a sudden the offense would come alive and score.

Longhorns covered 

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That was a fantastic breakdown. As someone who shit on Arch's performance for most of the game, that was a great 4th quarter from him. 

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Just now, MirrOlure said:

Thanks for this. I was at the game and had no idea how in the ever living fuck we managed to win 

Me either. Wingo left another 75 yds on the field. Minimum.

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13 minutes ago, kevwun said:

He didn't learn the most important lesson there is from Saban.  You have to adapt to circumstances.  You think Saban liked changing to a more open offense?  He didn't, but he liked winning so he did it anyway.

Yeah, Sark has spoken a few times in the past about the "adapt or die" philosophy he got from Saban. Too bad it didn't stick. 

 

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17 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Dude this is a great break down.  Thanks for the time and effort.  We really could have witnessed Wingo smashing school records yesterday if he could catch.   
 

I have no idea why sark fucking hates this offense that arch seems to be so successful in.  The wait until your fucked. Incase of emergency break glass shit is why we are going into OT back to back weeks against the 2 worst sec teams.   It’s obvious he can scheme the guys open and arch seems a little more swagger and comfortable in 11 man.  Quick hitters 1-3 step Drops with pre determined reads.  As we all already know this failure of a season is on sark  but seeing that we are capable of putting up 24 points in 7 minutes after being stoned all game is frustrating 

 

5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

The underlined comes down to a few simple realities. First, I am confident it is Sark's ego that leads him to go right back to the offense that hasn't worked time and again. He actually believes, due to his ego, that somehow, some way it will, this time. Why? Because I think his ego has unfortunately allowed him to drink his own coolaide with help from media and others that he is an offensive genius. Second, all of the staff on offense are long-term friends of Sark's. Essentially, yes men that aren't questioning or arent in the position to question his choices. So nobody is checking Sark on them at all. (CDC should step in here) Third, because of the first two, not having contact drills in spring or summer, all combined with poor talent evaluation skills and a flat unwillingness to align the game plan to the strengths of the players and weaknesses of opposing defenses, Sark believes, actually truly believes that it will work, has to work. Part of that is the law of diminishing returns he has fallen victim to. His ego says he was right, he's been trying to show he was right all season long, if it now reverses course after all this time, effort and energy he will be forced to admit, to both himself and the world he was wrong. He can't be wrong because he's a offensive genius. He's coached these players, they will execute it next time. It's impossible that they won't, because he's a genius, came up with this scheme and knows they are capable.

I know you aren't black, because this motherfucker spelled Kool Aid with a C. No black person would do that. 🤣

 

But y'all are dead right. The crazy part though is Sark has been in this situation before. If you remember he had Jake Locker and adapted to his playing style and what worked for him. He got him a 1st round grade too So he has it in him but for whatever reason he won't adapt. 

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I texted a friend towards the end of the 4th quarter, "Arch all the sudden looks a lot better when we're in hurry-up and he's getting the ball out quickly". Much less robotic and more just playing. I also don't remember any of those accuracy issues that keep popping up. Weird.

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

That was a fantastic breakdown. As someone who shit on Arch's performance for most of the game, that was a great 4th quarter from him. 

As someone who shit on Arch in general I agree!

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Great break down. I agree and said it last week after Kentucky, we don't have the personnel to play 12, we need to play 11 and 10 because we have the WRs and RBs to do it, we don't have the OL and TEs. This is just another reason Sarkisian needs to go, he should have known this shit the first day of fall camp and pivoted.

My guess is that Caldwell will also play better in the 11 and 10 peronnel groupings should Manning have suffered a concussion and have to miss the Vanderbilt game, but I would feel more better about our chances moving forward if Sarkisian would take his head out of his ass and go with what this team can execute at a higher level consistently.

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3 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Thanks for the work you put in on this. It’s interesting that this approach seems like the opposite of the conservative, run first and short passes “identity” that worked against OU. So we have two extremes that this team runs well and Sark just keeps searching for the sour spot in the middle. 

If this is true I want to throw up.

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8 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Great break down. I agree and said it last week after Kentucky, we don't have the personnel to play 12, we need to play 11 and 10 because we have the WRs and RBs to do it, we don't have the OL and TEs.

I hate to pick on the guy, but if we do nothing else we need to park Spencer Shannon on the bench. Through eight games I have no idea what he's supposed to be giving us. Blocking, I guess, in theory.

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40 minutes ago, kevwun said:

He didn't learn the most important lesson there is from Saban.  You have to adapt to circumstances.  You think Saban liked changing to a more open offense?  He didn't, but he liked winning so he did it anyway.

Saban? That's a life lesson. If I walk downstairs to get a drink from the fridge and the living room is on fire I just can't shrug my shoulders, grab my drink, and head upstairs. 

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26 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Yeah, Sark has spoken a few times in the past about the "adapt or die" philosophy he got from Saban. Too bad it didn't stick. 

 

Saturday was a pretty big lesson in the philosophy. Let's wait and see.

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8 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I hate to pick on the guy, but if we do nothing else we need to park Spencer Shannon on the bench. Through eight games I have no idea what he's supposed to be giving us. Blocking, I guess, in theory.

It’s infuriating that we have young playmaking WRs who’ve been standing on the sideline all damn season so we can play Shannon and Washington 

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4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Saban? That's a life lesson. If I walk downstairs to get a drink from the fridge and the living room is on fire I just can't shrug my shoulders, grab my drink, and head upstairs. 

Yet it's the hardest lesson for coaches to learn.  Their default response it keep doing the same thing, while telling everyone to just try harder.

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I turned to mdleast before we started watching the game and said, like an asshole, there's no way Arch gets the same stats he did last year against Mississippi State. Last year, 26/31 325 yards, 2 TDs. Last night, 29/46, 346 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT. 

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