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7 hours ago, smuggs said:

4 teenage girls scared shitless in the face of an experienced serial killer, who already had one double homicide on his resume. It’s no stretch to me that he was able to control the situation.

One double homicide at the time that they know of.  I’m guessing he’s got more.

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9 hours ago, Gourmand said:

The DNA evidence is apparently slam dunk definitive. This guy's past crimes and the manner in which he committed them alone are consistent with the details of the Yogurt Shop murders.

I've followed this case closely since it happened and remember very well the publicity around the unsolved nature of the crime in the early/mid-90s, just like I remember the day the news broke that they had arrested four suspects in connection with the crime back in 1998 or whatever year it was. That was HUGE news but when the details started to eventually come out about the suspects, much of it from the dogged reporting in the Austin Chronicle and AAS, I was always skeptical at best about the dipshit teens cast as murderers. Especially after what happened with the Nancy DePriest murder case and the eventual exoneration of Richard Danziger and Christopher Ochoa. If the same crooked detective was involved in the initial interrogation, I knew that the cops could not be trusted that they had the right guys. They may have brought in new detectives but those mfers were using the same tactics as Ochoa. It was clear to me back then and there are a lot of law enforcement officials with rotten eggs on their faces this morning. I'd like the local reporters to stick a camera in Paul Johnson's face so we can hear him embarrass himself one more time with protestations that he had the right guys all along. 

TLDR version: I'm first in line when it comes to distrusting anything that comes out of APD's offices, but the changing of the guard means the current eyes on the case aren't solely fixed on Springsteen as Scott as the killers who got off. The DNA doesn't lie and if it's a rock solid match as being reported, this is the guy.

I can't believe this case is finally coming to a close. It's one of those lines of demarcation between the old Austin and the Austin of today. It was such a huge story that went on for sooo long and then all these hip hot young'ns moving here, the asshole billionaires and techbros, social media influencers, life marching on, and before we knew it those girls were mostly unknown to the New Austin but never forgotten by the old one.

 

Ronnie Earle. Give him a pass, if you think he is a moron, as opposed to power hungry piece of shit who would railroad an innocent into the death chamber to further his own ambition.

Mike Lynch. Fuck him. Fuck him until time ends. He is little different than current judges who bend and flout law for personal, read career advancement or cover your political ass, reasons. Hold judges to higher standards, ffs. He’s been retired for over a decade. I hope he can’t sleep more than an hour at a time.

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4 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

Incredible detective work by Dan Jackson. Crazy details, even noting the guy was stopped at a border checkpoint between Texas and New Mexico shortly after the night of the crime.

And they have the serial number from the gun from that stop. 

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34 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

Incredible detective work by Dan Jackson. Crazy details, even noting the guy was stopped at a border checkpoint between Texas and New Mexico shortly after the night of the crime.

This was the one detail I was most interested in. Could they locate him in Texas in another way besides the DNA showing up?

Family also said he would travel often for work. Weeks at a time. That's when he would pull off these crimes. Just a random monster cruising the country. Very sad.

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2 hours ago, hornbri said:

press conference was detailed. 

The DNA evidence points to this guy 2.5M to 1 and they have the .380 it sounded like. 

This is the guy. 

That's like 14 people in Texas 

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4 hours ago, Gourmand said:

I wish retired APD Det. Paul Johnson would be there to face the cameras and answer questions about his idiotic "creek people" bullshit theories and be asked if he has anything to say to Robert Springsteen, Michael Scott, Forrest Wellborn, and the family of Maurice Pierce.

Brashers could have been in the creek that night, ya know.  hangin' with his high school buddies from Anderson.

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1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

There is a border checkpoint between Texas and New Mexico?   I get we are our own country but didn't know this.

There are CBP checkpoints along I-10 east of El Paso and in New Mexico in the Las Cruces area.

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2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

There is a border checkpoint between Texas and New Mexico?   I get we are our own country but didn't know this.

 

1 hour ago, royiv said:

There are CBP checkpoints along I-10 east of El Paso and in New Mexico in the Las Cruces area.

 

51 minutes ago, Deej said:

Thanks, Walter White. 

 

31 minutes ago, Ten Bears said:

That's where Willie got busted.

I've made this drive somewhere in the double digits. Never once have i been anything other than maybe an id check and wave through. But I'm lily white. Every time I've gone through this check point I get nervous and I've done nothing wrong. Always hated it. 

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2 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

 

 

 

I've made this drive somewhere in the double digits. Never once have i been anything other than maybe an id check and wave through. But I'm lily white. Every time I've gone through this check point I get nervous and I've done nothing wrong. Always hated it. 

Take a detour. Go through Cloudcroft. Enjoy the scenery.

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John Jones wore the shirt when it was solved just like he said he would more than 30 years ago.

If you missed the recent HBO special about this case, it is still relevant but may be even more infuriating to watch now than it was a few months ago when we were still waiting for answers. Some of these APD detectives were shockingly bad, but John Jones seemed ethical and just wanted to do things right.

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3 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

 

 

 

I've made this drive somewhere in the double digits. Never once have i been anything other than maybe an id check and wave through. But I'm lily white. Every time I've gone through this check point I get nervous and I've done nothing wrong. Always hated it. 

I don’t think they can legally even ask you for ID without probable cause. I’ve been through the checkpoints in south texas easily hundreds of times. It’s usually just “US citizen?” or they’ll ask where I’m going. A couple times they’ve asked to search my trunk. Never been asked for license. Still the whole thing is annoying.

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I just binge watched the four hour hbo special. The most interesting fact was the two detectives pleading with the medical examiner to not take the bodies until they could check for DNA samples. Those two guys deserve a lot of credit.

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I'm curious now that this is hitting national headlines, how many PDs are going to take another look at their own cold cases to see if this fuckstick was involved.

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Or can plausibly blame him and get credit for closing a cold case, like cops did with that one serial killer that would “confess” to anything. 

Henry Lee Lucas?

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Posted
12 hours ago, used2b said:

John Jones wore the shirt when it was solved just like he said he would more than 30 years ago.

If you missed the recent HBO special about this case, it is still relevant but may be even more infuriating to watch now than it was a few months ago when we were still waiting for answers. Some of these APD detectives were shockingly bad, but John Jones seemed ethical and just wanted to do things right.

The most incredible part of this entire story is that the shirt still fit. 

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My biggest takeaway from this has nothing to do with some dead guy that did it. It’s that “we” wrongly convicted people, drug their names through the mud in the national media, locked them up, and sentenced one guy to death.

We collectively seem to realize how fucked the system is when information like this comes out but never stop immediately assuming guilt after the next big arrest is made.

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13 hours ago, Helobious said:

I don’t think they can legally even ask you for ID without probable cause. I’ve been through the checkpoints in south texas easily hundreds of times. It’s usually just “US citizen?” or they’ll ask where I’m going. A couple times they’ve asked to search my trunk. Never been asked for license. Still the whole thing is annoying.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

My biggest takeaway from this has nothing to do with some dead guy that did it. It’s that “we” wrongly convicted people, drug their names through the mud in the national media, locked them up, and sentenced one guy to death.

Amen, Larry. The AAS quotes Jones, but never bothers to report if anyone did take responsibility for the railroading of innocents. Never mentions the detective who was known for securing confessions from the wrong people, from innocent people. Never addresses the cases that particular detective had worked, when wrongful confessions led to wrongful convictions, and whether convictions had been overturned.

Jones does appear to be the bright spot in a highly suspicious and corrupt department.

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4 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Amen, Larry. The AAS quotes Jones, but never bothers to report if anyone did take responsibility for the railroading of innocents. Never mentions the detective who was known for securing confessions from the wrong people, from innocent people. Never addresses the cases that particular detective had worked, when wrongful confessions led to wrongful convictions, and whether convictions had been overturned.

Jones does appear to be the bright spot in a highly suspicious and corrupt department.

In the press conference someone did come up with the sole purpose of acknowledging those 4 men and how there is still work to do to clear their names and that they are going to help do it. 

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35 minutes ago, hornbri said:

In the press conference someone did come up with the sole purpose of acknowledging those 4 men and how there is still work to do to clear their names and that they are going to help do it. 

That was Travis County DA Jose Garza, villain of local magats (cough cough Angie Ayers) and puppet of global cabal leader George Soros.

I watched the entire press conference and was taken aback by the contrast of the words of Barbara Wilson and Sonora Thomas vs the words of Shawn and Angie Ayers. Especially Angie Ayers, who was not a blood relative to any of the victims and simply married into the family tragedy and made it a life mission to get justice for the Ayers family. Where both Wilson and Sonora Thomas exuded grace and humility and thankfulness, Angie Ayers came off as a look-at-me narcissist with venom to spit for whoever it was that leaked the break in the case to the media on Friday. Shawn and Angie were pissed off about that and she in particular used that as cudgel to berate the audience in the chambers and viewers watching online. Then she proceeded to go on waaaay too long about her role in the investigation over the years and how she had been there fighting it longer than any investigators, prosecutors, etc. Really unhinged stuff imo. She showed her true colors when she turned her attention to the broken justice system and, rather than acknowledge the FOUR OTHER VICTIMS whose lives were irreparably broken by actions of a serial killer and APD detectives, she says this insane remark.

Shameful behavior considering how she had the family convinced the innocent men were guilty. 

 

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19 hours ago, Helobious said:

I don’t think they can legally even ask you for ID without probable cause. I’ve been through the checkpoints in south texas easily hundreds of times. It’s usually just “US citizen?” or they’ll ask where I’m going. A couple times they’ve asked to search my trunk. Never been asked for license. Still the whole thing is annoying.

what's that smell?

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40 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

That was Travis County DA Jose Garza, villain of local magats (cough cough Angie Ayers) and puppet of global cabal leader George Soros.

I watched the entire press conference and was taken aback by the contrast of the words of Barbara Wilson and Sonora Thomas vs the words of Shawn and Angie Ayers. Especially Angie Ayers, who was not a blood relative to any of the victims and simply married into the family tragedy and made it a life mission to get justice for the Ayers family. Where both Wilson and Sonora Thomas exuded grace and humility and thankfulness, Angie Ayers came off as a look-at-me narcissist with venom to spit for whoever it was that leaked the break in the case to the media on Friday. Shawn and Angie were pissed off about that and she in particular used that as cudgel to berate the audience in the chambers and viewers watching online. Then she proceeded to go on waaaay too long about her role in the investigation over the years and how she had been there fighting it longer than any investigators, prosecutors, etc. Really unhinged stuff imo. She showed her true colors when she turned her attention to the broken justice system and, rather than acknowledge the FOUR OTHER VICTIMS whose lives were irreparably broken by actions of a serial killer and APD detectives, she says this insane remark.

Shameful behavior considering how she had the family convinced the innocent men were guilty. 

 

 

she was shown in the HBO special as the idiot that invited the windchime "Private investigator" and the looney tunes "the satanic cult must have done this" posse to her house to have them all kibbitz in front of the camera about how they have all collectively solved the murders, if only the cops would listen to them and their hunches. 

 

I get that her husband has major PTSD from his older sister being SA'd and murdered, so I guess she's decided to be the family mouthpiece. 

 

 

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