Jump to content
DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt

2020 Coaching Staff

Recommended Posts

6 minutes ago, kevwun said:

He had a chance to hire a good recruiter at that spot to help Giles.  Instead he hired a dude who Kevin Sumlin fired.

Yes, but to be fair, at the time Sumlin was so drunk he thought he was firing his pool boy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd rather not have a defensive coach who Kevin Sumlin had to to fire because of incompetence, but maybe that's just me.  It's like taking home a girl that Vic passed on.

Edited by kevwun

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, kevwun said:

He had a chance to hire a good recruiter at that spot to help Giles.  Instead he hired a dude who Kevin Sumlin fired.

Herman is friends with Sumlin.  It's reasonable to assume he called Sumlin to find out if the guy was any good.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Hank_Hill said:

Since when do Sumlins hiring/firing practices mean shit? (Yes this is an underwhelming hire, but meh)

I mean I understand why this is the sentiment, but in the context of Herman’s shitty hires, shitty staff management, stubbornness to make changes and the fact that he’s very much on the hot seat - it matters. This is a fucking ridiculous hire and there were plenty of options. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Herman is friends with Sumlin.  It's reasonable to assume he called Sumlin to find out if the guy was any good.

"hey kevin, what do you think of hagen?"

"he's great, tom!"

"then why did you fire him, kevin?"

"i was drunk, tom."

"cheers to that, my man."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, kevwun said:

I'd rather not have a defensive coach who Kevin Sumlin had to to fire because of incompetence, but maybe that's just me.  It's like taking home a girl that Vic passed on.

to be fair, that could be a skinny chick that is still hot. We have all seen the girl's Vic goes for. Maybe the inverse of your quote would be better for this coaching hire

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
30 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

I think so.  The Alamo bowl showed us what we could be with just a modicum of common sense on defense.  If Ash is just average, we likely win two more games, and I think Herm's job is safe.  I don't buy the "big 12 champions or else" theory with respect to Mensa's job security.  

that zone between not good enough to win the conference and not shitty enough to realize he can't consistently win the conference seems like about the worst place we can be, so i'm operating under the assumption that's exactly where we'll find ourselves.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Istian said:

I mean I understand why this is the sentiment, but in the context of Herman’s shitty hires, shitty staff management, stubbornness to make changes and the fact that he’s very much on the hot seat - it matters. This is a fucking ridiculous hire and there were plenty of options. 

Which elite coach would join a possible 1 year staff as a co-DL coach?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

*quietly* IU people thought he did a good job and were sorry he left. 

I know football is just an appetizer for basketball for them, but maybe he's improved a bit?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Hank_Hill said:

Which elite coach would join a possible 1 year staff as a co-DL coach?

Hagen < 90 other DL coaches <<<<<< elite DL coaches. That’s the problem. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

Which elite coach would join a possible 1 year staff as a co-DL coach?

The one you give a nice raise to along with a 3 year guaranteed contract.  That wasn't the holdup here.  Herman being shitty at filling out the staff is the problem.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If Herman can’t win 10 this year with a senior fucking qb and a defense stacked with athletic third year players...well good riddance.  I mean we should be able to fuck LSU up this year now that a tard isn’t gameplanning the offense for Texas.

Edited by Fondren & Main

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Istian said:

Hagen < 90 other DL coaches <<<<<< elite DL coaches. That’s the problem. 

 

3 minutes ago, kevwun said:

The one you give a nice raise to along with a 3 year guaranteed contract.  That wasn't the holdup here.  Herman being shitty at filling out the staff is the problem.

Based on y'alls intimate knowledge into how this played out, I'm sure. I'm not saying it's a great hire, its average, but y'alls expectations for this particular hire in this particular year are skewed. Okam was our best option, and he had an offer nobody would refuse.

Edited by Hank_Hill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Hank_Hill said:

 

Based on y'alls intimate knowledge into how this played out, I'm sure. I'm not saying it's a great hire, its average, but y'alls expectations for this particular hire in this particular year are skewed.

I haven’t said anywhere that it had to be an “elite” coach - eg the dude from tOSU. A plus recruiter that also wasn’t fired from Sumlin’s staff and didn’t spend the last few years in the dredges of the Big10 isn’t too much to ask here. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Herman is friends with Sumlin.  It's reasonable to assume he called Sumlin to find out if the guy was any good.

They met at court ordered AA meeting, and have been besties ever since.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, texifornia said:

and we can put this thing to bed

 

I'd like to put a bullet through "this thing's" forehead and then make the evidence go away by dumping it into a vat of acid.

3 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Which elite coach would join a possible 1 year staff as a co-DL coach?

This is a false choice. No one is clamoring for an "elite" coach. That would be nice, sure, but no one is being ridiculous about it on this thread (lately). So how about just a decent DL coach? Can we haz that? No. We cannot. We received a coach that has a mediocre track record in all facets of his life and coaching career. 

I realize that you think you're in agreement with many of us in that you're not high in the hire. However, with the series of posts you've flashed here, what you're really indicating is that in some form, you, along with a rather large group of others that have shown their true voices via this long thread, really are still willing to give Tom Herman some measure of benefit of the doubt with his hiring practices. 

Now, when you do that, however flaccid your support really is for it, it causes the rest of us who've recognized Coach Fuckface for the full-on fraudtard that he is, especially when it comes to hiring, to react. This idiot showed up on campus at a blueblood and simply just hired his bros. He hired a bunch of dipshitted clowns and then he gave them money and power. He hired almost an entire staff of guys whose biggest prior roles were at UH, Rutgers, UConn or some other shithole. He also hired Tim Beck, who'd been fired at every OC role for his mediocrity that he'd ever worked. And Stan Drayton who actually seemed solid at the time. He hired Casey Horny. A rape-enabling victim shamer. And he told boosters and the fanbase to fuck off in doing so. We called this all out as problematic at the time and mocked it correctly from then until now.

Then, after a disastrous year 1 performance by the vast majority of the staff, facing a near revolt at the WR position, Herman called "Nuts" to the market and held his hand steady. He made only two changes - he hired a legitimate OL coach and then kept his boys on staff by simply reshuffling responsibilities at WR and TE instead of fixing obvious staff problems. 

Maybe you felt you had all of this straight, but when you equivocate for the Hermanataurus Sex, you align with him. And so then we need to respond to that in kind. (You're a generally fine poster, so really I'm mostly using the premise here to further lampoon Herman and call him names rather than finish some work on a Friday afternoon.)

2 minutes ago, texifornia said:

*quietly* IU people thought he did a good job and were sorry he left. 

I know football is just an appetizer for basketball for them, but maybe he's improved a bit?

I do not give one fuck what a bunch of hayseeds think about a football coach. They wouldn't know good football development and elite recruiting if Nick Saban gave them weekly clinics for a decade straight.

I was punished this season as a fan of the sport by having to watch Indiana on multiple occasions as part of the 11 and 2:30 slots, and then also as one of the last bowl games. They played one of the shittiest schedules possible. They beat a bunch of teams with losing records and choked against everyone else. They were buttfucked on defense in damn near each of those games. Herman showed up to a shitty program's quarter of a century apex of 8 wins and bought high on a guy that has had 25 years as a coach to prove out exactly who he is, which is a wet fart personified on the sidelines. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Herman is friends with Sumlin.  It's reasonable to assume he called Sumlin to find out if the guy was any good.

Mensa has friends?

giphy.gif?cid=790b7611bd30b1098684cba4de

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, Istian said:

This is a fucking ridiculous hire and there were plenty of options. 

You're overreacting, Nancy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

You're overreacting, Nancy.

Yeah excuse me for being a fan of the school and giving a shit lol 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

This is a false choice. No one is clamoring for an "elite" coach. That would be nice, sure, but no one is being ridiculous about it on this thread (lately). So how about just a decent DL coach? Can we haz that? No. We cannot. We received a coach that has a mediocre track record in all facets of his life and coaching career. 

I realize that you think you're in agreement with many of us in that you're not high in the hire. However, with the series of posts you've flashed here, what you're really indicating is that in some form, you, along with a rather large group of others that have shown their true voices via this long thread, really are still willing to give Tom Herman some measure of benefit of the doubt with his hiring practices. 

Now, when you do that, however flaccid your support really is for it, it causes the rest of us who've recognized Coach Fuckface for the full-on fraudtard that he is, especially when it comes to hiring, to react. This idiot showed up on campus at a blueblood and simply just hired his bros. He hired a bunch of dipshitted clowns and then he gave them money and power. He hired almost an entire staff of guys whose biggest prior roles were at UH, Rutgers, UConn or some other shithole. He also hired Tim Beck, who'd been fired at every OC role for his mediocrity that he'd ever worked. And Stan Drayton who actually seemed solid at the time. He hired Casey Horny. A rape-enabling victim shamer. And he told boosters and the fanbase to fuck off in doing so. We called this all out as problematic at the time and mocked it correctly from then until now.

Then, after a disastrous year 1 performance by the vast majority of the staff, facing a near revolt at the WR position, Herman called "Nuts" to the market and held his hand steady. He made only two changes - he hired a legitimate OL coach and then kept his boys on staff by simply reshuffling responsibilities at WR and TE instead of fixing obvious staff problems. 

Maybe you felt you had all of this straight, but when you equivocate for the Hermanataurus Sex, you align with him. And so then we need to respond to that in kind. (You're a generally fine poster, so really I'm mostly using the premise here to further lampoon Herman and call him names rather than finish some work on a Friday afternoon.)

 

Eh, I see the errors and pitfalls that are many of Hermans decisions and don't see him remaining here longer than 3 more years (probably generous). I just think our options were genuinely limited after our top targets took genuinely better career options. While this hire is not great, the "go fuck yourself Herman" response that I initially responded to was silly. This is a second DL coach and peoples current hatred of Herman causes them to overanalyze everything. Overall this staff parallels his 2020 recruiting class in that it plugged some major holes while possibly opening up some minor ones. The DT coach wasn't going to make or break this staff. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

This train of thought is exactly why O will be on the hot seat in 4 years

Orgeron is 11-3 against Top 10 opponents since he's been at LSU, with all 3 losses coming against the Gumps in 2016-2018. everyone else we've beat.  additionally, 17 of his 39 wins while at LSU have come against Top 25 teams.  

so tell me more about this hot seat?

and while you're at it, tell me about your guy against Top 10/25 opponents?

 

 

 

Edited by Kyrie Eleison

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Eh, I see the errors and pitfalls that are many of Hermans decisions and don't see him remaining here longer than 3 more years (probably generous). I just think our options were genuinely limited after our top targets took genuinely better career options. While this hire is not great, the "go fuck yourself Herman" response that I initially responded to was silly. This is a second DL coach and peoples current hatred of Herman causes them to overanalyze everything. Overall this staff parallels his 2020 recruiting class in that it plugged some major holes while possibly opening up some minor ones. The DT coach wasn't going to make or break this staff. 

I see where the confusion is. My dislike for the hire is based on Herman’s (probably) lack of desire to conduct a thorough search. He doesn’t deserve any kind of benefit of the doubt with regard to his hiring choices or process. My irritation is derived solely from his behavior and recent track record of hiring. Will this hire turn out to be okay? Maybe, but it’s far more likely that we look back on this hire as yet another misstep in Herman’s short-lived tenure as the head coach at Texas.
 

Really though, I’d prefer for Hagen to be recruiter of the year and Texas to hit the playoff in 2020 - which is possible considering the talent on hand. I’m happy to shut up and stop whining if the trend changes, but the current data suggests that it won’t. To ignore all that would be purposefully shoving your head in the sand while screaming “trust the coaches!”

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

Orgeron is 11-3 against Top 10 opponents since he's been at LSU, with all 3 losses coming against the Gumps in 2016-2018. everyone else we've beat.  additionally, 17 of his 39 wins while at LSU have come against Top 25 teams.  

so tell me more about this hot seat?

and while you're at it, tell me about your guy against Top 10/25 opponents?

 

 

 

Sounds a lot like Mack Brown. We saw how that worked out. Will O continue to do well? Probably, his access to talent in conjunction with recent success gives him a big advantage. To act like things such as returning production, the loss of a Heisman winner, and the loss of the architect of LSU’s recent offensive and defensive successes are indicators that LSU will “reload” is poor thought process. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Istian said:

I see where the confusion is. My dislike for the hire is based on Herman’s (probably) lack of desire to conduct a thorough search. He doesn’t deserve any kind of benefit of the doubt with regard to his hiring choices or process. My irritation is derived solely from his behavior and recent track record of hiring. Will this hire turn out to be okay? Maybe, but it’s far more likely that we look back on this hire as yet another misstep in Herman’s short-lived tenure as the head coach at Texas.

This is fair. I guess I just view this staff overall as probably the best in the last 5 years and this hire doesn't really change that view for me one way or the other so the reactions seem extreme to me based on that. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, kevwun said:

I'd rather not have a defensive coach who Kevin Sumlin had to to fire because of incompetence, but maybe that's just me.  It's like taking home a girl that Vic passed on.

To be fair, if Vic passed on her there's a good chance she's hot.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
35 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

Orgeron is 11-3 against Top 10 opponents since he's been at LSU, with all 3 losses coming against the Gumps in 2016-2018. everyone else we've beat.  additionally, 17 of his 39 wins while at LSU have come against Top 25 teams.  

so tell me more about this hot seat?

and while you're at it, tell me about your guy against Top 10/25 opponents?

 

 

 

Herman’s been pretty good against ranked teams.  It’s against the shitbags of the world that he has trouble.  I guess he’s 8-9.  Not great, but we do typically play best against upper echelon squads.

Edited by Fondren & Main

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Istian said:

Yeah excuse me for being a fan of the school and giving a shit lol 

Right. None of the rest of us give a shit. lol

43 minutes ago, Istian said:

I see where the confusion is. My dislike for the hire is based on Herman’s (probably) lack of desire to conduct a thorough search.

I have no idea what kind of search process Herman went through, but judging by how long it took to announce the hire, I doubt Herman called Hagen in December and offered the job. I certainly could be wrong.

What I am sure of is that this hire isn't the one that will make or break the 2020 season or Tom Herman's tenure at Texas. I also don't think anyone is satisfied with Herman's first three seasons. There are lots of things that could have been done much better. We have to contend for the conference title this season, and just contending won't be satisfying.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Right. None of the rest of us give a shit. lol

I have no idea what kind of search process Herman went through, but judging by how long it took to announce the hire, I doubt Herman called Hagen in December and offered the job. I certainly could be wrong.

What I am sure of is that this hire isn't the one that will make or break the 2020 season or Tom Herman's tenure at Texas. I also don't think anyone is satisfied with Herman's first three seasons. There are lots of things that could have been done much better. We have to contend for the conference title this season, and just contending won't be satisfying.

Exactly. One can criticize Tom Hermans past decisions while simultaneously not allowing those to cloud judgement and thinking every decision he makes is because of incompetence. That would be like me seeing malingering on CTJs chart because he came in to my office one time seeking Xanax to snort off Sydney Cartons ass hole and allowing that to completely cloud the clearly sociopathic diagnosis sitting right in front of me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Exactly. One can criticize Tom Hermans past decisions while simultaneously not allowing those to cloud judgement and thinking every decision he makes is because of incompetence. That would be like me seeing malingering on CTJs chart because he came in to my office one time seeking Xanax to snort off Sydney Cartons ass hole and allowing that to completely cloud the clearly sociopathic diagnosis sitting right in front of me.

giphy.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
37 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Right. None of the rest of us give a shit. lol

I have no idea what kind of search process Herman went through, but judging by how long it took to announce the hire, I doubt Herman called Hagen in December and offered the job. I certainly could be wrong.

What I am sure of is that this hire isn't the one that will make or break the 2020 season or Tom Herman's tenure at Texas. I also don't think anyone is satisfied with Herman's first three seasons. There are lots of things that could have been done much better. We have to contend for the conference title this season, and just contending won't be satisfying.

I agree with you. I don’t think this ONE hire changes much in terms of what happens in 2020. As the last (currently, at least) seemingly poor decision in a long line of poor decisions for Herman at Texas, it’s worth discussing. Using previous hires and results as evidence to back my claim that this hire might not be so great is relevant to me, but I’m probably just an asshole. 
 

On some level I think we’re saying the same thing here, but for different reasons. I get that negativity isn’t fun and it’s been fleshed out plenty in this thread. I do believe that this staff is much better than his initial staff. At this point it’s just time to win. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Fondren & Main said:

Herman’s been pretty good against ranked teams.  It’s against the shitbags of the world that he has trouble.  I guess he’s 8-9.  Not great, but we do typically play best against upper echelon squads.

Herman has lost to ranked teams and shitbags alike since he has been here at Texas.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Herman has lost to ranked teams and shitbags alike since he has been here at Texas.

Yup. He always has that inexcusable loss as well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
42 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

Herman has lost to ranked teams and shitbags alike since he has been here at Texas.

He’s just a loser.  Charlie was a loser too but at least he was a family man with values inherited from urban Meyers 

Edited by closetohumping

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
He had a chance to hire a good recruiter at that spot to help Giles.  Instead he hired a dude who Kevin Sumlin fired.
So you'd rather have a guy that aggy wanted to keep?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, texifornia said:

*quietly* IU people thought he did a good job and were sorry he left. 

I know football is just an appetizer for basketball for them, but maybe he's improved a bit?

His three DL’s at IU were ranked as follows: 1, 73, 86. 

Even allowing for spare talent that’s a pretty familiar trend line for UT fans, and not one you’d want to see for the Asst HC for defense and DL coach. 

Also, and this is a common refrain from many, but needing to list who’d be better is a nonsensical cop out. There’s probably 20-30 DT coaches available for hire in any given year outside of the superstars. Nothing about this guy’s resume says best of the rest, hidden gem or diamond in the rough. 

He does have some special teams acumen so I guess that’s a plus if Herman actually bothers to  use that facet of the game. 

Edited by Bobby_Batronic

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

His three DL’s at IU were ranked as follows: 1, 73, 86. 

Even allowing for spare talent that’s a pretty familiar trend line for UT fans, and not one you’d want to see for the Asst HC for defense and DL coach. 

Also, and this is a common refrain from many, but needing to list who’d be better is a nonsensical cop out. There’s probably 20-30 DT coaches available for hire in any given year outside of the superstars. Nothing about this guy’s resume says best of the rest, hidden gem or diamond in the rough. 

He does have some special teams acumen so I guess that’s a plus if Herman actually bothers to  use that facet of the game. 

Still would like to know the connection of this new DL coach to the current staff...

Who the Hell studies this new DL guy's resume and really believes he's a great coaching candidate for the University of Texas Staff???

giphy.gif

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
24 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Still would like to know the connection of this new DL coach to the current staff...

Who the Hell studies this new DL guy's resume and really believes he's a great coaching candidate for the University of Texas Staff???

giphy.gif

 

The majority of the 247 board. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To add a bit more color to our recent DL coach's resume.  He's alleged to be a good recruiter, and has certainly pulled in a name or two in his 27 years.  He's also not been amongst the top 50 recruiters in his own conference any time in nearly the last decade.  Credit to a solid poster for digging that up on TOS.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
51 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

To add a bit more color to our recent DL coach's resume.  He's alleged to be a good recruiter, and has certainly pulled in a name or two in his 27 years.  He's also not been amongst the top 50 recruiters in his own conference any time in nearly the last decade.  Credit to a solid poster for digging that up on TOS.

I don't think anyone on the recruiting threads has been thrilled with his on-the-trail bonafides.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

that zone between not good enough to win the conference and not shitty enough to realize he can't consistently win the conference seems like about the worst place we can be, so i'm operating under the assumption that's exactly where we'll find ourselves.

No. Charlie Strong under Steve Patterson is the worst place we can be, and it’s not close, and stop running your fucking pussy. Our roster is the healthiest it’s been in literally 10 years. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
No. Charlie Strong under Steve Patterson is the worst place we can be, and it’s not close, and stop running your fucking pussy. Our roster is the healthiest it’s been in literally 10 years. 

Insert linebackers

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:


Insert linebackers

Yeah, it’s still not even close to the best roster ever had in 10 years. Herman is infuriating because of his propensity to shoot himself and his fan base in the dick. Mainly due to his arrogance. But there are things he does as a HC that are elite or close to it. Talent evaluation is one.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


mpu


Football ... Basketball ... Baseball ... Other Sports ... Recruiting ... Gambling ... Movies & TV ... Music ... Hobbies ... Lulz ... Food & Travel ... Daily Texan ... Help ... For Sale ... Politics ... Board Discussion
×
×
  • Create New...