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6 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

#CancelElk makes sense; I’ve never seen a black one.

So seriously. What’s going on?  Does the elk represent something racist in the local community? 

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Just now, Xian said:

So seriously. What’s going on?  Does the elk represent something racist in the local community? 

If you are trying to find logic in antifa’s actions you are wasting your time. It’s like trying to understand why a 4 year old throws a tantrum about not getting their fruit snacks quick enough.

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26 minutes ago, Xian said:

So seriously. What’s going on?  Does the elk represent something racist in the local community? 

I had to look it up to see if I could find anything that would explain this but couldn't find any public statements providing a rationale.

After about two minutes of extensive internet research, this is what I found:

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The statue, donated to Portland in 1900, is meant to commemorate the elk that once lived on the land now occupied by the city.

And from Wiki:

The 6,800-pound (3,100 kg) Elk was lifted into position in late August, and the Thompson Fountain was finished the first week of September 1900.[5] A carnival sponsored by the Portland Elks Club began that week, and The Oregonian informed its readers, "this is not a carnival elk."[6] According to the city, the Exalted Order of Elks refused to dedicate it because they considered the statue "a monstrosity of art."[7]

The elk has been vandalized many times. It was vandalized during the Occupy Portland protest (2011), and had its antlers repaired in early 2012.[8] The statue was tagged with anti-Trump messages in 2016.[9] In 2020, during the George Floyd protests, people protesting police violence built a bonfire around the statue.[10] The sculpture was subsequently removed to avoid toppling and for cleaning.[8][11]

 

So, best I can tell is: (a) some people might consider it a symbol of environmental destruction, (b) some people have considered it ugly for a very long time, and (c) activists have been fucking with it for a while for reasons unexplained. 

That's the best I've got.

 

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Man those antifa guys are terrifying.  Next thing you know they’re going to start throwing toilet paper in the trees at the local post office, it will be anarchy.

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So, best I can tell is: (a) some people might consider it a symbol of environmental destruction, (b) some people have considered it ugly for a very long time, and © activists have been fucking with it for a while for reasons unexplained. 
That's the best I've got.
 


(d) people are pissed off and lashing out by destroying something that isn't alive nor the property of an innocent individual.

Not saying it's appropriate, just that it could be, and (if we don't change some things) will be, worse.

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34 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Republicans and the NRA reconsidering their stance on gun control......

 

Gun reform about to be passed in Georgia by 7 July, to protect the safety of the companies 

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Well Hell, Yankee Stadium has to go.  That word Yankee offends my lower US upbringing.  Can't say southern without offending some jerk.  Statue of Liberty has to go as well, can't have some pyromaniac woman running around with a lighted torch in her hand.  Let's just let these crazy mfers tear shit up until there's nothing left, then we will be able to tell which ones need to have their asses kicked.

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10 hours ago, Gengs1 said:

Gun reform about to be passed in Georgia by 7 July, to protect the safety of the companies 

The modern 2A movement started when Reagan passed laws to stop some Black groups from carrying guns in CA in the 60s.

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An odd bit of history I had never head about.

It’s one of history’s lesser-known episodes. After the Civil War, thousands of defeated Southerners came to Brazil to self-exile in a country that still practiced slavery. For decades, their descendants have thrown a massive party that now attracts thousands of people to the twin cities of Americana and Santa Bárbara d’Oeste to celebrate all things Dixie. The Confederate flag? Everywhere.

On flagpoles and knickknacks. Emblazoned on the dance floor. Clutched by men clad in Confederate battle gray. Decorating the grounds of the cemetery that holds the remains of veterans of the rebel army — the immigrants known here as the confederados.

In a country that has long been more preoccupied with class divisions than racism, the Confederate symbols, stripped of their American context, never registered much notice. But now, as the racial reckoning in the United States following the killing of George Floyd inspires a similar reexamination of values in Brazil, that has begun to change.

Brazilians in recent weeks have demanded the removal of the notorious statue in São Paulo of a 17th-century settler who enslaved indigenous people. Protests for black equality have rumbled through several cities. And in Americana and Santa Bárbara d’Oeste, the cities founded by the Confederates, Brazilians who have never been to the United States are increasingly asking questions piercingly familiar to Americans: Where should the Confederacy be remembered — on a flagpole, or in a museum?

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/brazil-confederate-flag-civil-war-americana-santa-barbara/2020/07/11/1e8a7c84-bec4-11ea-b4f6-cb39cd8940fb_story.html

Edited by Mapache

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On 7/11/2020 at 10:17 PM, HenryJames said:

 

But you see, because they were there, they stopped the BLM/antifa/unicorns from coming. They scared em off!

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

But you see, because they were there, they stopped the BLM/antifa/unicorns from coming. They scared em off!

Got them out of the house.

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On 7/5/2020 at 9:40 AM, AnTiM said:

Well Hell, Yankee Stadium has to go.  That word Yankee offends my lower US upbringing.  Can't say southern without offending some jerk.  Statue of Liberty has to go as well, can't have some pyromaniac woman running around with a lighted torch in her hand.  Let's just let these crazy mfers tear shit up until there's nothing left, then we will be able to tell which ones need to have their asses kicked.

That's fucking hilarious. It's been hilarious every time I've heard something similar for weeks. Or read it on Texags.

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https://www.theonion.com/heavily-armed-fans-guard-statue-of-yogi-bear-in-case-it-1844070096?utm_campaign=The Onion&utm_content=1594745404&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0gUC-MJ2gTw9eGvZo87wBZIx7b7ehRa1bxGVZvWkVzuzG7vypO2lbrv6s

 

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Wielding assault rifles and chanting “smarter than the average bear” as they gathered around the cartoon character, heavily armed fans reportedly guarded a statue of Yogi Bear Wednesday on the off chance that he turned out to have supported the confederacy. “We will lay down our lives to protect this monument to Jellystone’s finest bear, whether or not he happened to be a defender of Southern slave states,” said Phil Markey, 43, echoing dozens of other protesters who pledged to march day and night in case activists discovered Yogi Bear did, in fact, support the Confederacy and attempted to deface or destroy his statue, arguing that the social justice warriors ignored the cartoon bear’s kindness to Boo-Boo Bear and well-known contributions to stealing “pic-a-nic baskets.” “Whether or not he was a lackey for Jefferson Davis—and, again, we don’t really know this—Yogi Bear is part of this nation’s rich history. You cannot simply erase his escapades with Ranger Smith.” At press time, the group’s leader was arguing this could all be a slippery slope to removing Yakky Doodle or Snagglepuss statues, or even shaming someone for simply singing “Hey There, It’s Yogi Bear” in public.

 

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I for one am glad to see people willing to lay down their lives for our beloved cartoon characters....

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On 7/11/2020 at 11:32 PM, Mapache said:

An odd bit of history I had never head about.

It’s one of history’s lesser-known episodes. After the Civil War, thousands of defeated Southerners came to Brazil to self-exile in a country that still practiced slavery. For decades, their descendants have thrown a massive party that now attracts thousands of people to the twin cities of Americana and Santa Bárbara d’Oeste to celebrate all things Dixie. The Confederate flag? Everywhere.

On flagpoles and knickknacks. Emblazoned on the dance floor. Clutched by men clad in Confederate battle gray. Decorating the grounds of the cemetery that holds the remains of veterans of the rebel army — the immigrants known here as the confederados.

2020 is done. Stick a fork in it done. After all that has thus far occurred, you're telling me I now I have to worry about...

The Boys From Bayou La Batre?

Just hope they don't join forces with these dudes down there

CommentaramaFilms: Film Friday: The Boys From Brazil (1978)

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On 7/5/2020 at 9:40 AM, AnTiM said:

Well Hell, Yankee Stadium has to go.  That word Yankee offends my lower US upbringing.  Can't say southern without offending some jerk.  Statue of Liberty has to go as well, can't have some pyromaniac woman running around with a lighted torch in her hand.  Let's just let these crazy mfers tear shit up until there's nothing left, then we will be able to tell which ones need to have their asses kicked.

In other times it would be funny that people this stupid think they’re smart. Right now it’s just deeply depressing.

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"they were given food, shelter and clothing"

It's in Mississippi, as if you couldn't guess.

https://www.djournal.com/news/local/lee-county-supervisors-hear-from-confederate-monument-supporters/article_a6968b3d-5ea6-5015-9809-6cd1682ccc73.html

 

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Ahead of a possible decision in early August, Lee County supervisors heard additional remarks Monday about the future of a Confederate monument located outside a county-owned building.

Having previously heard comments in favor of relocating the Confederate monument located at the old Lee County Courthouse, supervisors on Monday heard from a voice in favor of keeping the monument in place.

Advance plans fell by the wayside, however, as the meeting grew disorganized and multiple individuals were allowed to speak.

 

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County resident Patty Young’s request to speak was placed on the agenda distributed in advance of Monday’s meeting, and she told supervisors she wanted to see the monument remain in place as a memorial to the Confederate dead.

She said that the monument was erected to provide peace of mind to family members of dead Confederate soldiers

 

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Young also offered her view that the monument has no link to slavery or oppression and that the Civil War was not caused by slavery. Instead she said the war was caused by “northern invaders” as well as agricultural taxes imposed on the South.

Speaking in an interview with the Daily Journal, Young repeated her views that the Southern states were defending themselves from oppressive economic policies. She also claimed that historical accounts of Southern slavery may not be reliable.

 

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“People holler that those slaves were mistreated,” Young said. “None of us lived during that times. Those are just rumors. I really don’t think that we know the actual facts. There may have been some that were mistreated.”

Young also said that the enslaved “were given food, shelter and clothing” because “those slaves were worth a lot of money to those owners.”

 

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When asked about her views by the Daily Journal, Young said “greed” motivated the imposition of taxes on the South and that then the northern states “made it about slavery later.”

When asked about Mississippi’s succession declaration, Young said this 1861 document “was after it started.”

 

And here's the lovely Karen Ms. Young:

 

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Just now, Francisco 2.0 said:

"they were given food, shelter and clothing"

It's in Mississippi, as if you couldn't guess.

https://www.djournal.com/news/local/lee-county-supervisors-hear-from-confederate-monument-supporters/article_a6968b3d-5ea6-5015-9809-6cd1682ccc73.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

And here's the lovely Karen Ms. Young:

 

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Now multiply her by tens of millions.  And you have the Trump base.  It's pretty close to one circle.

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On 7/8/2020 at 5:15 PM, HenryJames said:

 

This is a test. If the Nathan Bedford Forrest bust has any of NBF's spirit in it, it will escape from the capitol, on its own, and reappear periodically at different locations, burning supplies and wreaking mayhem, only to disappear again.

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It's mind bottling to me how in Houston the names of Sidney Lanier Junior High (he was a private in the CSA army but remembered as a poet) and Henry Grady Elementary (wrote some racist stuff in the 1890s) were changed post Dylann Roof while that of Oran Roberts Elementary was not. 

Who was Roberts? Oh the guy WHO PRESIDED OVER THE TEXAS SECESSION CONVENTION? And a colonel in the CSA army to boot? 

Somehow that school survived that purge and it looks to be skating through this one too. It drives me irrationally crazy. I really don't know why Roberts gets a pass. 

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11 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Now who's going to be the one to tell folks about Grant's policies towards Native Americans and Jewish people?

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