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18 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Marc ain't getting paid to comment.  In fact, he ain't getting paid, period.

He's been Trump's major trial guy for a couple of decades.  There's some kind of arrangement there.  Kasowitz has dirt or something.

I fear, though, that the trial judge is going to get reversed.  That Westfall Act produces some grim results in cases like this.

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Thanks to using the same email for the last 15 or so years, I get plenty of GOP spam.

This was a nice little survey WinRed sent out.  These are mostly yes/no questions, with an "unsure" about a few like the voting in the midterm)

  • Are you still a member of the Republican Party?
  • Did you vote for President Trump in the 2020 election?
  • Are you planning to vote in the 2022 midterms election?
  • Will you support Republican candidates in the 2022 midterm election?
  • Do you consider yourself a true American patriot?
  • Are you committed to defending President Trump’s America first agenda?
  •  Are you against big government control?
  • Do you support personal liberties?
  • Will you do whatever it takes to secure a Republican majority in 2022?

"Keep this box checked to make a monthly recurring donation"

"Keep this box checked to pledge an additional donation on 9/25.  TRUMP RALLY ALERT!" President Trump announced a MASSIVE Rally on September 25th. Have you pledge your Rally Day Gift yet?  Time is RUNNING OUT! We need you to help make this the biggest GOP fundraising day EVER.  HURRY!"

At the bottom, it mentions this: Contributions or gifts to the Republican National Committee are not deductible as charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes.

Because it's WinRed, a for-profit platform.

And if you let it set on the page while you look at the batshittery, you get a popup saying "WAIT! WE CAN'T LET AMERICA TURN INTO A BIG GOVERNMENT SOCIALIST NATION!"

 

If you uncheck the donation boxes, you get a big yellow popup: "The Radical Left is so happy that you unchecked that box. Don’t give them what they want!"

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6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Thanks to using the same email for the last 15 or so years, I get plenty of GOP spam.

This was a nice little survey WinRed sent out.  These are mostly yes/no questions, with an "unsure" about a few like the voting in the midterm)

  • Are you still a member of the Republican Party?
  • Did you vote for President Trump in the 2020 election?
  • Are you planning to vote in the 2022 midterms election?
  • Will you support Republican candidates in the 2022 midterm election?
  • Do you consider yourself a true American patriot?
  • Are you committed to defending President Trump’s America first agenda?
  •  Are you against big government control?
  • Do you support personal liberties?
  • Will you do whatever it takes to secure a Republican majority in 2022?

"Keep this box checked to make a monthly recurring donation"

"Keep this box checked to pledge an additional donation on 9/25.  TRUMP RALLY ALERT!" President Trump announced a MASSIVE Rally on September 25th. Have you pledge your Rally Day Gift yet?  Time is RUNNING OUT! We need you to help make this the biggest GOP fundraising day EVER.  HURRY!"

At the bottom, it mentions this: Contributions or gifts to the Republican National Committee are not deductible as charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes.

Because it's WinRed, a for-profit platform.

And if you let it set on the page while you look at the batshittery, you get a popup saying "WAIT! WE CAN'T LET AMERICA TURN INTO A BIG GOVERNMENT SOCIALIST NATION!"

 

If you uncheck the donation boxes, you get a big yellow popup: "The Radical Left is so happy that you unchecked that box. Don’t give them what they want!"

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No news to everyone who knows this.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/september/trump-evangelical-identity-pew-research-survey-presidency.html

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Despite tense polarization, there was no mass exodus from evangelicalism by white evangelicals who disliked Donald Trump nor by evangelicals of color during the four years of his presidency, Pew Research Center found.

According to analysis released Wednesday, more Americans started identifying as born-again or evangelical Protestants between 2016 and 2020 than stopped calling themselves evangelicals. The boost came almost entirely from white Trump supporters.

 

 

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Among those who didn’t consider themselves evangelicals when the former president was elected, nearly 1 in 6 had begun identifying as evangelicals by 2020. Just 1 percent of white Americans who did not favor Trump made the same switch.

The findings complicate an already fraught discussion around the future of the evangelicalism and the political baggage the label carries in the United States.

 

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“Evangelicalism is not collapsing, despite the enthusiasm predictions of its detractors. However, what it is becoming I think is worthy of more conversation,” said Ed Stetzer, executive director of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center. “There are significant implications to the fact that significant numbers of white Trump supporters now identify as evangelical or born again. We don’t know why, and correlation does not always mean causation, but there is more to study here.”

 

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In the past two presidential elections, white evangelical Protestants made up a core voting bloc for President Trump, as they did for previous Republican candidates, including Mitt Romney, John McCain, and George W. Bush. But “just 30% of non-White voters who identify as born-again or evangelical Protestants (including just 12% of Black evangelical voters) reported casting a ballot for Trump” in 2020, researchers wrote.

Still, evangelical identity among people of color held steady in the Pew survey. Non-white respondents were just as likely to drop the evangelical label during Trump’s term in office as they were to adopt it. Around a quarter identified as born-again or evangelical in both 2016 and 2020.

Among white evangelicals, though slightly more Trump opponents had given up their evangelical identity in recent years compared to Trump supporters, the difference was not statistically significant since it fell within the margin of error, Pew researchers wrote.

To historian Thomas Kidd, the possibility that Americans began calling themselves evangelical simply because they backed president Trump “should be of concern to all pastors and committed churchgoers.”

His 2019 book Who Is an Evangelical?: The History of a Movement in Crisis argues that the popular connotation that evangelicals are white Republicans—or white Republican Trump supporters—fails to capture the historic and current breadth of the movement. It was released in the midst of a renewed debate over the evangelical label following the 2016 election.

“There are good reasons for churches to continue to describe themselves as ‘evangelical,’ if by that term they are referencing their historic commitment to the Bible's authority, the necessity of spiritual conversion, and the felt presence of God in daily life,” Kidd said this week.

“But pastors in particular should realize that the meaning they attach to ‘evangelical’ may not be the same as that of some in their congregation. I suspect most pastors would not want to inadvertently signal to their congregations that they are effectively branch offices of Donald Trump’s GOP, simply by making undefined use of the term evangelical.”

While many evangelicals and evangelical institutions see their movement in theological terms, to the point that Christian pollsters have tried to break out evangelicals by belief rather than self-identity, the label has taken on a political dimension over decades of polling, media coverage, and the partisan involvement of evangelicals themselves.

“But what if a gap between what we claim to be and what we support politically emerges? The Trump administration raised these questions in new and unusual ways,” said Mark Caleb Smith, director of the Center for Political Studies at Cedarville University. “If the Pew study holds up, and is confirmed by other data sources, it presents the challenge in a new light. Is it possible that people not within the religious tradition of evangelicalism are only ‘political evangelicals’? Does this reflect poorly on us?”

President Trump embraced the support of dozens of evangelical leaders, ranging from prominent Southern Baptist pastors to prosperity preachers popularized on TBN like his longtime friend Paula White-Cain. While a swath of Christians decried Trump’s character, others celebrated how his administration defended religious freedom, the pro-life cause, and conscience protections. (And some Christians did both.)

After the 2016 election, analysis of voter surveys indicated that Clinton voters were more likely than Trump voters to disaffiliate, but not dramatically. In 2018, the General Social Survey found that even with the divide over Trump and growing numbers of unaffiliated Americans the evangelical share of the population in the US continued to hold steady, as it had for a decade.

Smith at Cedarville says the social and political overtones to evangelicalism in America may be unavoidable, which becomes a challenge if they interfere with the mission of the church.

“My concern is that this shift might make it more difficult to present ourselves as ambassadors for Christ. Will those who disagree with our politics dismiss us theologically out of hand? If so, this presents real problems for who we are,” he said. “The Great Commission still beckons us, but our culture is so politicized and polarized that spreading the gospel under what is seen as a political banner becomes much harder.”

 

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

No news to everyone who knows this.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/september/trump-evangelical-identity-pew-research-survey-presidency.html

 

 

 

 

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In the past two presidential elections, white evangelical Protestants made up a core voting bloc for President Trump, as they did for previous Republican candidates, including Mitt Romney, John McCain, and George W. Bush. But “just 30% of non-White voters who identify as born-again or evangelical Protestants (including just 12% of Black evangelical voters) reported casting a ballot for Trump” in 2020, researchers wrote.

Still, evangelical identity among people of color held steady in the Pew survey. Non-white respondents were just as likely to drop the evangelical label during Trump’s term in office as they were to adopt it. Around a quarter identified as born-again or evangelical in both 2016 and 2020.

Among white evangelicals, though slightly more Trump opponents had given up their evangelical identity in recent years compared to Trump supporters, the difference was not statistically significant since it fell within the margin of error, Pew researchers wrote.

To historian Thomas Kidd, the possibility that Americans began calling themselves evangelical simply because they backed president Trump “should be of concern to all pastors and committed churchgoers.”

His 2019 book Who Is an Evangelical?: The History of a Movement in Crisis argues that the popular connotation that evangelicals are white Republicans—or white Republican Trump supporters—fails to capture the historic and current breadth of the movement. It was released in the midst of a renewed debate over the evangelical label following the 2016 election.

“There are good reasons for churches to continue to describe themselves as ‘evangelical,’ if by that term they are referencing their historic commitment to the Bible's authority, the necessity of spiritual conversion, and the felt presence of God in daily life,” Kidd said this week.

“But pastors in particular should realize that the meaning they attach to ‘evangelical’ may not be the same as that of some in their congregation. I suspect most pastors would not want to inadvertently signal to their congregations that they are effectively branch offices of Donald Trump’s GOP, simply by making undefined use of the term evangelical.”

While many evangelicals and evangelical institutions see their movement in theological terms, to the point that Christian pollsters have tried to break out evangelicals by belief rather than self-identity, the label has taken on a political dimension over decades of polling, media coverage, and the partisan involvement of evangelicals themselves.

“But what if a gap between what we claim to be and what we support politically emerges? The Trump administration raised these questions in new and unusual ways,” said Mark Caleb Smith, director of the Center for Political Studies at Cedarville University. “If the Pew study holds up, and is confirmed by other data sources, it presents the challenge in a new light. Is it possible that people not within the religious tradition of evangelicalism are only ‘political evangelicals’? Does this reflect poorly on us?”

President Trump embraced the support of dozens of evangelical leaders, ranging from prominent Southern Baptist pastors to prosperity preachers popularized on TBN like his longtime friend Paula White-Cain. While a swath of Christians decried Trump’s character, others celebrated how his administration defended religious freedom, the pro-life cause, and conscience protections. (And some Christians did both.)

After the 2016 election, analysis of voter surveys indicated that Clinton voters were more likely than Trump voters to disaffiliate, but not dramatically. In 2018, the General Social Survey found that even with the divide over Trump and growing numbers of unaffiliated Americans the evangelical share of the population in the US continued to hold steady, as it had for a decade.

Smith at Cedarville says the social and political overtones to evangelicalism in America may be unavoidable, which becomes a challenge if they interfere with the mission of the church.

“My concern is that this shift might make it more difficult to present ourselves as ambassadors for Christ. Will those who disagree with our politics dismiss us theologically out of hand? If so, this presents real problems for who we are,” he said. “The Great Commission still beckons us, but our culture is so politicized and polarized that spreading the gospel under what is seen as a political banner becomes much harder.”

 

 

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Yeah, came here to basically post the same thing. Those pastors don't give a fuck what their congregations think. Most of them thing the same as the new members of their congregations. They're perfectly happy wading into politics and siding openly with Trump. I mean, after all, just further evidence to those Southern Baptists they can rape and subjugate women as much as they want, just like Trump. 

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On 9/13/2021 at 9:51 PM, tx 3 putt said:

 

meh, melania is a dumb whore that trapped a billionaire dumb ass. when does melania sign her book deal ?

It's in press, I think. We know from past experience, she's going to plagiarize this:

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Of course, the Editor will change the picture on the cover and make a slight yet apt revision to the title:

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

No news to everyone who knows this.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/september/trump-evangelical-identity-pew-research-survey-presidency.html

 

 

 

 

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In the past two presidential elections, white evangelical Protestants made up a core voting bloc for President Trump, as they did for previous Republican candidates, including Mitt Romney, John McCain, and George W. Bush. But “just 30% of non-White voters who identify as born-again or evangelical Protestants (including just 12% of Black evangelical voters) reported casting a ballot for Trump” in 2020, researchers wrote.

Still, evangelical identity among people of color held steady in the Pew survey. Non-white respondents were just as likely to drop the evangelical label during Trump’s term in office as they were to adopt it. Around a quarter identified as born-again or evangelical in both 2016 and 2020.

Among white evangelicals, though slightly more Trump opponents had given up their evangelical identity in recent years compared to Trump supporters, the difference was not statistically significant since it fell within the margin of error, Pew researchers wrote.

To historian Thomas Kidd, the possibility that Americans began calling themselves evangelical simply because they backed president Trump “should be of concern to all pastors and committed churchgoers.”

His 2019 book Who Is an Evangelical?: The History of a Movement in Crisis argues that the popular connotation that evangelicals are white Republicans—or white Republican Trump supporters—fails to capture the historic and current breadth of the movement. It was released in the midst of a renewed debate over the evangelical label following the 2016 election.

“There are good reasons for churches to continue to describe themselves as ‘evangelical,’ if by that term they are referencing their historic commitment to the Bible's authority, the necessity of spiritual conversion, and the felt presence of God in daily life,” Kidd said this week.

“But pastors in particular should realize that the meaning they attach to ‘evangelical’ may not be the same as that of some in their congregation. I suspect most pastors would not want to inadvertently signal to their congregations that they are effectively branch offices of Donald Trump’s GOP, simply by making undefined use of the term evangelical.”

While many evangelicals and evangelical institutions see their movement in theological terms, to the point that Christian pollsters have tried to break out evangelicals by belief rather than self-identity, the label has taken on a political dimension over decades of polling, media coverage, and the partisan involvement of evangelicals themselves.

“But what if a gap between what we claim to be and what we support politically emerges? The Trump administration raised these questions in new and unusual ways,” said Mark Caleb Smith, director of the Center for Political Studies at Cedarville University. “If the Pew study holds up, and is confirmed by other data sources, it presents the challenge in a new light. Is it possible that people not within the religious tradition of evangelicalism are only ‘political evangelicals’? Does this reflect poorly on us?”

President Trump embraced the support of dozens of evangelical leaders, ranging from prominent Southern Baptist pastors to prosperity preachers popularized on TBN like his longtime friend Paula White-Cain. While a swath of Christians decried Trump’s character, others celebrated how his administration defended religious freedom, the pro-life cause, and conscience protections. (And some Christians did both.)

After the 2016 election, analysis of voter surveys indicated that Clinton voters were more likely than Trump voters to disaffiliate, but not dramatically. In 2018, the General Social Survey found that even with the divide over Trump and growing numbers of unaffiliated Americans the evangelical share of the population in the US continued to hold steady, as it had for a decade.

Smith at Cedarville says the social and political overtones to evangelicalism in America may be unavoidable, which becomes a challenge if they interfere with the mission of the church.

“My concern is that this shift might make it more difficult to present ourselves as ambassadors for Christ. Will those who disagree with our politics dismiss us theologically out of hand? If so, this presents real problems for who we are,” he said. “The Great Commission still beckons us, but our culture is so politicized and polarized that spreading the gospel under what is seen as a political banner becomes much harder.”

 

 

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“My concern is that this shift might make it more difficult to present ourselves as ambassadors for Christ. Will those who disagree with our politics dismiss us theologically out of hand? If so, this presents real problems for who we are,”

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https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-trump-gop-voters-think-youre-a-fucking-asshole-book-2021-9

 

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Attorney General Bill Barr took a blunt approach with President Donald Trump in April 2020 while discussing his reelection chances.

The crux of the problem, Barr told Trump, was that most suburban Republican voters "just think you're a fucking asshole." That's according to a new book by authors Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

Insider obtained an early copy of "Peril," which is set to be released next week.

 

 

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"In my opinion," Barr told Trump during a tense Oval Office meeting, according to the book, "this is not a base election. Your base is critical, and you'll get it out. And there are a lot of people out there, independents and Republicans in the suburbs of the critical states that think you're an asshole. They think you act like an asshole and you got to, you got to start taking that into account."

The attorney general went on to tell the president that he had become a Beltway "captive" and needed to appeal to a broader group of voters than just his diehard base, the book said.

 

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Barr is said to have debated how best to approach the conversation with Trump last year, while the US was grappling with a deadly and widespread pandemic and as the president refused to acknowledge the reality of the threat.

According to "Peril," he decided the best option was to be direct and told Trump that with the way he was handling things, "you're going to lose" the election.

 

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The conversation came at a delicate time for Barr himself, who found himself in the doghouse last year because an internal Justice Department investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation was coming up empty and had found no evidence of wrongdoing by senior DOJ and FBI officials. The lack of bombshell developments infuriated the president, who had long insisted that the Russia probe was part of a so called "deep state" effort to sink his presidency.

Barr reportedly addressed those frustrations, telling Trump that suburban Republican voters "don't give a shit" about Trump's vendetta against his perceived foes.

"Your base cares about seeing [former FBI director James Comey] and the rest of those guys held accountable, but these other people don't," Barr said, according to the book. "They don't care about your fucking grievances. And it just seems that every time you're out there, you're talking about your goddamn grievances."

Barr advised Trump to focus more on the US's response to the COVID-19 pandemic and its economic recovery, "not all this other shit, not every grievance you have," the book said. But Trump refused to back down, saying, "I need to be a fighter. I've gotten where I am because I'm willing to fight."

The attorney general was one of several top administration officials who worked to steer Trump in a different direction before the election and tried to stave off a political and national security crisis after Trump lost to Joe Biden.

According to the book, Barr grew so frustrated with Trump's nonsense conspiracy theories about voter fraud that he confronted the president on November 23 and told him his claims were "bullshit."

Trump's anger with Barr reached a boiling point when, a week later, the attorney general told reporters that the DOJ had not found evidence of voter fraud on a scale that would tip the election results in Trump's favor. Shortly after, Barr resigned from office.

 

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Barr advised Trump to focus more on the US's response to the COVID-19 pandemic and its economic recovery, "not all this other shit, not every grievance you have," the book said. But Trump refused to back down, saying, "I need to be a fighter. I've gotten where I am because I'm willing to fight."

 

He's failed at everything he's ever done but in his mind, he thinks he's a wild success.

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20 minutes ago, Bookman said:

His supporters think he's a wild success as well. It's truly bizarre.

When you have lived in a rented single wide in northern Alabama for 20 some years and watched the world pass you by (no fault of your own, of course), and some failson comes along who must be a success because he says so, he was once on television, and his name is on a building somewhere tells you he knows what is wrong and that he alone can fix things...then it's pretty easy to figure out how it all happened.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

When you have lived in a rented single wide in northern Alabama for 20 some years and watched the world pass you by (no fault of your own, of course), and some failson comes along who must be a success because he says so, he was once on television, and his name is on a building somewhere tells you that he alone can fix things...then it's pretty easy to figure out how it all happened.

 

 

I’m watching the Amazon doc about the rise and fall of Lularoe. It’s the same shit. There are just a TON of dumb people. There are so many. 

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1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Barr advised Trump to focus more on the US's response to the COVID-19 pandemic and its economic recovery, "not all this other shit, not every grievance you have," the book said. But Trump refused to back down, saying, "I need to be a fighter. I've gotten where I am because I'm willing to fight."

 

He's failed at everything he's ever done but in his mind, he thinks he's a wild success.

The crazy thing is Bill Barr was right and if trump had followed his advice he’s likely still the president and the country is totally fucked because no way it survives another four years of that maniac asshole. 

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Yeah, is that show coming back for a second season?  It wasn't as funny as I was hoping it would be but it would be a welcomed return.  The sister ended up being way funnier than most of the cast.  

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9 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

When you have lived in a rented single wide in northern Alabama for 20 some years and watched the world pass you by (no fault of your own, of course), and some failson comes along who must be a success because he says so, he was once on television, and his name is on a building somewhere tells you he knows what is wrong and that he alone can fix things...then it's pretty easy to figure out how it all happened.

 

 

Trump's biggest gift is his ability to convince stupid people that he's something he's not.

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1 hour ago, Bookman said:

Trump's biggest gift is his ability to convince stupid people that he's something he's not.

He was groomed by his father and Wharton to be able to walk among the Manhattan business and society elite. That never happened in 50 years.  Then he finally at least appealed to middle America with his game show and that earned him at least a modicum of arrival.  But when he entered politics and deeply appealed to the stupid and vile, that’s when he truly found his calling.  Say what you want about the man, but after 70 years….:to finally discover your calling, your station.  I envy that because most of us never will. 

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He was groomed by his father and Wharton to be able to walk among the Manhattan business and society elite. That never happened in 50 years.  Then he finally at least appealed to middle America with his game show and that earned him at least a modicum of arrival.  But when he entered politics and deeply appealed to the stupid and vile, that’s when he truly found his calling.  Say what you want about the man, but after 70 years….:to finally discover your calling, your station.  I envy that because most of us never will. 

I wonder how much of that was due to the Apprentice.

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3 minutes ago, Bookman said:

 

I wonder how much of that was due to the Apprentice.

He was loathed in NY society long before the Apprentice.  And I disagree about his father.  He was an outsider too, an outer borough slumlord.  His father didn't care.

He was rejected by NY society because he was, for lack of a better term, a short-fingered vulgarian, a complete cheesedick that tried too hard.

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20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

He was loathed in NY society long before the Apprentice.  And I disagree about his father.  He was an outsider too, an outer borough slumlord.  His father didn't care.

He was rejected by NY society because he was, for lack of a better term, a short-fingered vulgarian, a complete cheesedick that tried too hard.

I mean deeply appealing to the stupid and vile. If Donald Trump isn't on the Apprentice does he become President?

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7 minutes ago, Bookman said:

I mean deeply appealing to the stupid and vile. If Donald Trump isn't on the Apprentice does he become President?

No because the Apprentice bailed him out from being completely broke.  He made $20-$30M per year on that at its peak, I think.  Good money, mind you, but not a billionaire.

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6 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

People knew who Trump was before the Apprentice. He was always willing to embarrass himself for publicity. Being a racist shitbag and pushing birtherism is what endeared him to his cult. 

Yeah, when the sophisticated and urbane with money wouldn't accept and adore him, he found anyone that would.

And I think as he descended into "branding," he became more and more cognizant that the poor and stupid would adore him.

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5 minutes ago, Bookman said:

I mean deeply appealing to the stupid and vile. If Donald Trump isn't on the Apprentice does he become President?

I don’t think so. There are a lot of people who don’t know the difference between reality tv and reality and believed he was the character he portrayed on the show. He wouldn’t have had the Twitter following if not for the celebrity he gained from that show. He wouldn’t have had the platform to spread the birtherism conspiracy theory. Who would’ve ever attended a Trump rally prior to The Apprentice? Maybe dozens of people? If that? That show saved his ass.

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10 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I don’t think so. There are a lot of people who don’t know the difference between reality tv and reality and believed he was the character he portrayed on the show. He wouldn’t have had the Twitter following if not for the celebrity he gained from that show. He wouldn’t have had the platform to spread the birtherism conspiracy theory. Who would’ve ever attended a Trump rally prior to The Apprentice? Maybe dozens of people? If that? That show saved his ass.

Thanks, rainbow  chicken.

 

 

 

NBC. 

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