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13 hours ago, mdmost said:

The sequels are 25 years down the line from the current Mando universe. Filoni is not retconning away the sequels because he's never going to get to that timeframe and his show is mostly set outside of the core system of Star Wars. The timeline for this show will never conflict with the sequels given the massive gap in time. If anything, this show will show how the First Order came into being since the speculation was it was remanent Imperials which the Mando universe shows are still out there. The upside is Filoni has license to massively clean up the shitfest that JJ created with the First Order. One of the dumbest aspects of The Force Awakens was just accepting that there was an Empire 2.0 and no one tried to stop it until it was too late. 

I do not disagree but trying to nail down the "dumbest aspects of The Force Awakens" is a Sisyphean task.

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So, regarding the darksaber, according to season 3 episode 15 of Rebels,

"I didn't know Mandalorians developed a type of lightsaber."
"We didn't, this was one of a kind. Legend tells that it was created over a thousand years ago by Tarre Vizsla, the first Mandalorian ever inducted into the Jedi Order. After his passing, the Jedi kept the saber in their temple. That was until members of House Vizsla snuck in and liberated it. They used the saber to unify the people and strike down those who would oppose them. At one time, they ruled all of Mandalore wielding this blade. This saber is an important symbol to that house and respected by the other clans"

That seems like something that may come up. The history of the darksaber doesn't  necessarily suggest that one has to win it in combat to rule the Mandalorians.

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On 12/29/2020 at 6:46 PM, atomheartbevo said:

It's cool to get all of this, but sucks that Mando will take longer, but then again, over the next three months, they will have 2-4 live-action Star Wars series filming, or in pre- or post-production, plus the movie(s) going into pre-production.  

if mad men/breaking bad/game of thrones/etc taught us anything, it's that good shows take time.  they're basically filming mini-movies for every episode (x8-10 episodes).  get used to short seasons and long breaks.  otherwise, you can go watch ncis or grey's anatomy.

broadcast network template with 22 episodes per season and a 3 month summer break is going the way of the dinosaurs, and we're better for it.

disney knows what they're doing, and they'll keep us busy until s3.  trust the mouse (and favreau/filoni).

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11 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Watching the prequels with my son this evening, and while they are bad and cringeworthy, both with the writing and dialogue, I really don't want to watch the sequels again.

I think the prequels benefitted from having a cohesively planned story arc (compared to the ST at least). The Sequels as a whole are poorly written and suffer from bad character development because they were basically planned like cinematic improv with different directors creating their own story without really building off of previous entries. The Star Wars cinematic universe seems to do quite the opposite right now with The Mandalorian, and soon Ahsoka, BoBF, and Rangers of the New Republic. It’ll be interesting to see how they build towards their own shared climax and how/if they tie into the sequels to possibly try and strengthen that story and make it more palatable. Or they could just totally ignore the sequels. Not necessarily retcon them, but also not compliment them either.

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4 hours ago, GTX Horn said:

I think the prequels benefitted from having a cohesively planned story arc (compared to the ST at least). The Sequels as a whole are poorly written and suffer from bad character development because they were basically planned like cinematic improv with different directors creating their own story without really building off of previous entries. The Star Wars cinematic universe seems to do quite the opposite right now with The Mandalorian, and soon Ahsoka, BoBF, and Rangers of the New Republic. It’ll be interesting to see how they build towards their own shared climax and how/if they tie into the sequels to possibly try and strengthen that story and make it more palatable. Or they could just totally ignore the sequels. Not necessarily retcon them, but also not compliment them either.

This. The prequels have been getting shit for decades, but at least Lucas was trying new things and wasn't just repeating the original story again. The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith have their problems, but both also have their strengths.  I've always thought TPM was some tighter editing and one casting mistake (Jake Lloyd) from being a pretty decent film.

Attack of the Clones is the real problem with the prequels. It's just SO bad. Lucas had no idea how to get Padme and Anakin together and all of the writing around their romance just tanked that movie. Furthermore, because of how poorly AOTC was done, there was a TON of story that needed to be told in ROTS. 

It's baffling to me how poorly the sequel trilogy was planned, especially since Marvel had basically given them the blueprint at that point. You don't need to have three screenplays done before you shoot the first one, but for fuck's sake.... the broad story of where the whole thing was going needed to be mapped out at least, and it clearly wasn't.

 

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26 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

This. The prequels have been getting shit for decades, but at least Lucas was trying new things and wasn't just repeating the original story again. The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith have their problems, but both also have their strengths.  I've always thought TPM was some tighter editing and one casting mistake (Jake Lloyd) from being a pretty decent film.

Attack of the Clones is the real problem with the prequels. It's just SO bad. Lucas had no idea how to get Padme and Anakin together and all of the writing around their romance just tanked that movie. Furthermore, because of how poorly AOTC was done, there was a TON of story that needed to be told in ROTS. 

It's baffling to me how poorly the sequel trilogy was planned, especially since Marvel had basically given them the blueprint at that point. You don't need to have three screenplays done before you shoot the first one, but for fuck's sake.... the broad story of where the whole thing was going needed to be mapped out at least, and it clearly wasn't.

 

The prequels at least were all working towards a shared vision and outcome. The prequels also had good "world building" aspects too with some of the planets and environments it introduced. The ST did none of that. Like you said, it's mind boggling that Disney made such a significant investment in buying the Star Wars property, but didn't bother to have an overarching plan. Episode 9 perfectly incapsulates that because they just plopped Palpatine/Clone Palpatine or whatever the fuck that was as the main villain because Snoke was inexplicably killed. TFA actually wasn't terrible in a vacuum in my opinion, but looking at it as a whole finished product, it's ridiculous how much it set up that went absolutely nowhere or was straight up shit on in TLJ and ROS.

 

I'm excited to see where F&F take this story with the shared Cinematic Universe. That being said, I'd like to eventually see more in the Old Republic-era as opposed to the Skywalker era.

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53 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

The prequels at least were all working towards a shared vision and outcome. The prequels also had good "world building" aspects too with some of the planets and environments it introduced. The ST did none of that. Like you said, it's mind boggling that Disney made such a significant investment in buying the Star Wars property, but didn't bother to have an overarching plan. Episode 9 perfectly incapsulates that because they just plopped Palpatine/Clone Palpatine or whatever the fuck that was as the main villain because Snoke was inexplicably killed. TFA actually wasn't terrible in a vacuum in my opinion, but looking at it as a whole finished product, it's ridiculous how much it set up that went absolutely nowhere or was straight up shit on in TLJ and ROS.

 

I'm excited to see where F&F take this story with the shared Cinematic Universe. That being said, I'd like to eventually see more in the Old Republic-era as opposed to the Skywalker era.

Yes.

TFA was a fun film, but it was just J.J. Abrams "playing the hits."  I'm probably one of the few people here who liked The Last Jedi, just because I thought Rian Johnson did some interesting stuff that hadn't been done in SW before.  So I liked it as a standalone film, but I agree that the narrative that was laid out was problematic within the structure of the Skywalker saga and Rey's story. 

In hindsight, he was much better suited to create one of the anthology films or perhaps one of the upcoming live-action series where he could execute a vision that didn't have to be consistent with Skywalker saga.

But further spreading some blame, I will say that what they did with ROS actually made TLJ worse. I feel like there is someone out there (Filoni? Faverau?) who could have written something that built on TLJ's strengths but tied the story up in a way that wasn't just "lol we know you guys hated TLJ so here's more J.J. Abrams being a George Lucas cover band!".... the irony being that the fans didn't like that either, lol.

A good corollary is what Filoni did that with The Clone Wars.  He took some shaky source material (prequels) and told a rich, satisfying story that built on the good parts of the prequels and made something better that ties the narrative together perfectly.  Too bad he (or someone else like-minded) couldn't do that in the last film of the sequel trilogy.

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On 1/1/2021 at 3:00 PM, GTX Horn said:

TFA actually wasn't terrible in a vacuum in my opinion, but looking at it as a whole finished product, it's ridiculous how much it set up that went absolutely nowhere or was straight up shit on in TLJ and ROS.

That's where I land. If I had never seen a Star Wars movie, I would have really enjoyed TFA ... but in the context of Star Wars, it is just a remake of ANH with Mary Sue and the Stormjanitor fighting a kid pissed off because he just got kicked out of Panic at the Disco.

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On 1/1/2021 at 2:20 PM, oSuJeff97 said:

This. The prequels have been getting shit for decades, but at least Lucas was trying new things and wasn't just repeating the original story again. The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith have their problems, but both also have their strengths.  I've always thought TPM was some tighter editing and one casting mistake (Jake Lloyd) from being a pretty decent film.

Attack of the Clones is the real problem with the prequels. It's just SO bad. Lucas had no idea how to get Padme and Anakin together and all of the writing around their romance just tanked that movie. Furthermore, because of how poorly AOTC was done, there was a TON of story that needed to be told in ROTS. 

It's baffling to me how poorly the sequel trilogy was planned, especially since Marvel had basically given them the blueprint at that point. You don't need to have three screenplays done before you shoot the first one, but for fuck's sake.... the broad story of where the whole thing was going needed to be mapped out at least, and it clearly wasn't.

 

The fact that a billion dollar franchise, one of the most successful franchises ever, wasn’t scripted out for all three movies before they were filmed is mindnumbingly stupid. I can’t even begin to fathom the negligence involved. The amount of planning in my former job for merely a few million dollar projects dwarfs that. We would plan out shit that might happen. 


 

 

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Watched Gallery. A bit disappointed it was only one episode this season. But I guess they didn’t have as much to work with. Already explained the Volume and whatnot. Also, and I don’t think I need to spoiler this, how did they not talk about Luke!?!

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On 1/14/2021 at 10:50 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Watched Gallery. A bit disappointed it was only one episode this season. But I guess they didn’t have as much to work with. Already explained the Volume and whatnot. Also, and I don’t think I need to spoiler this, how did they not talk about Luke!?!

I read or saw somewhere that it was likely the extreme secrecy on the Luke stuff that was the reason. If you look at the credits for the Gallery episode, it looks like they farmed it out to a third-party production company outside of Lucasfilm.  And the episode was posted a week after the last episode. So had they covered the Luke stuff, they would have had people (editors, etc.) at this production company privy to the Luke stuff for weeks or months ahead of when the episode aired, and the spoiler would have likely gotten out.

It's the same reason they didn't have any Baby Yoda/Grougu toys or what not ready when season 1 dropped. They would have had to give the designs over to toy companies for production well ahead of time and it would have gotten out.

Given that it is showing as "Episode 1" of Gallery Season 2, I think it's likely that they are doing a whole separate episode on the Luke stuff that didn't go into production until after the season was completed, so will be coming at some point down the line.

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On 1/3/2021 at 2:47 PM, Kyle said:

That's where I land. If I had never seen a Star Wars movie, I would have really enjoyed TFA ... but in the context of Star Wars, it is just a remake of ANH with Mary Sue and the Stormjanitor fighting a kid pissed off because he just got kicked out of Panic at the Disco.

TFA would have been great in a vacuum.

Instead, JJ thought Star Wars fans wanted Leia, Han, Luke, Chewbacca, and the Droids, and the Rebellion as a whole, to have absolutely shitty lives after ROTJ.  And he thought fans wanted to see Han Solo be killed by his son, Luke driven to near madness, and Leia in a 24/7 state of sadness.  And he thought fans wanted to see that Han and Chewie were reduced back to smuggling, AND that they had lost the Millennium Falcon.

If JJ had been tasked with a sequel to E.T., he would have had Gertie as a strung-out prostitute, Elliott would be an incel living in his mom's basement, living off of writing crummy books about alien visitors, and when E.T. comes back, he would have been hunted relentlessly by a bunch of rich guys who wanted his head for their trophy room, and one of them would have bagged E.T.

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On 1/14/2021 at 8:24 PM, Neonmoon said:

The fact that a billion dollar franchise, one of the most successful franchises ever, wasn’t scripted out for all three movies before they were filmed is mindnumbingly stupid. I can’t even begin to fathom the negligence involved. The amount of planning in my former job for merely a few million dollar projects dwarfs that. We would plan out shit that might happen. 

It really speaks to Kathleen Kennedy's (and her bosses') incompetence.   Disney has owned Marvel since 2009, and the MCU was coming together well before TFA was written/filmed.  Feige had already plotted out the first dozen movies or so by the time TFA was in production.

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48 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

TFA would have been great in a vacuum.

Instead, JJ thought Star Wars fans wanted Leia, Han, Luke, Chewbacca, and the Droids, and the Rebellion as a whole, to have absolutely shitty lives after ROTJ.  And he thought fans wanted to see Han Solo be killed by his son, Luke driven to near madness, and Leia in a 24/7 state of sadness.  And he thought fans wanted to see that Han and Chewie were reduced back to smuggling, AND that they had lost the Millennium Falcon.

If JJ had been tasked with a sequel to E.T., he would have had Gertie as a strung-out prostitute, Elliott would be an incel living in his mom's basement, living off of writing crummy books about alien visitors, and when E.T. comes back, he would have been hunted relentlessly by a bunch of rich guys who wanted his head for their trophy room, and one of them would have bagged E.T.

Spot on. Pretty amazing in retrospect how badly he could screw it up. 

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

TFA would have been great in a vacuum.

Instead, JJ thought Star Wars fans wanted Leia, Han, Luke, Chewbacca, and the Droids, and the Rebellion as a whole, to have absolutely shitty lives after ROTJ.  And he thought fans wanted to see Han Solo be killed by his son, Luke driven to near madness, and Leia in a 24/7 state of sadness.  And he thought fans wanted to see that Han and Chewie were reduced back to smuggling, AND that they had lost the Millennium Falcon.

i think in part it was an overreaction to the prequels.  fans hated them, and now we live with the internet and social media and blah blah, so he thought he had to thread the needle.  he wanted to tell a simple and familiar story, and thought he had to shoe-horn han and chewy in or fans would revolt.  turns out it was just the opposite, as the forced nostalgia attempts were the worst part of the movie.  it was as if the rockets brought back hakeem this season and then got confused why they weren't winning more games.

all you need is the star wars universe, and in the case of the original star wars saga, you have the music and falcon and droids, and you're good.

good story >>> stunt casting.  every single time.

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That last scene with Luke being the bad ass mother fucker that he should have been in the sequels was awesome. Just walked in and tore shit up and every other bad ass was "Don't open the door!" LOL

Me at the final reveal...

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Is it possible the cast didn’t know Luke was the Jedi?  They had a stand in that could have been anyone with the cgi face, and none of the lines spoken by the main cast gave it away. Would have thought someone in the cast or filming crew would have said something if the stand in was running around in a shirt that said Luke Double. 

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On 1/19/2021 at 12:46 AM, UT_OB1 said:

Is it possible the cast didn’t know Luke was the Jedi?  They had a stand in that could have been anyone with the cgi face, and none of the lines spoken by the main cast gave it away. Would have thought someone in the cast or filming crew would have said something if the stand in was running around in a shirt that said Luke Double. 

The single X-wing (mentioned by Cara) along with R2’s appearance would’ve been suspicious at the very least.

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On 1/18/2021 at 11:46 PM, UT_OB1 said:

Is it possible the cast didn’t know Luke was the Jedi?  They had a stand in that could have been anyone with the cgi face, and none of the lines spoken by the main cast gave it away. Would have thought someone in the cast or filming crew would have said something if the stand in was running around in a shirt that said Luke Double. 

 

33 minutes ago, Duval Street said:

The single X-wing (mentioned by Cara) along with R2’s appearance would’ve been suspicious at the very least.

They didn't know until they were filming it. Luke wasn't in any of the scrips until they were filming that episode. 

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I just finished the finale and somehow managed not to be spoiled on Luke.  I suspected it might be him with the "single X-wing" line but still got the emotions with the reveal.  Once again, f RJ with his bullshit Luke becomes a miserable whiny bitchass hermit because he's sad bullshit.

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1 hour ago, WBT said:

I just finished the finale and somehow managed not to be spoiled on Luke.  I suspected it might be him with the "single X-wing" line but still got the emotions with the reveal.  Once again, f RJ with his bullshit Luke becomes a miserable whiny bitchass hermit because he's sad bullshit.

Same. I suspected it was Luke as well but the reveal wasn't spoiled at all. The reveal felt like an old World Class Wrestling surprise entrance to it, like when one of the Von Erichs showed up in disguise and then started kicking the shit out of the Freebirds. It made me feel like a kid again getting giddy at the hero's entrance.

This whole series captures the Star Wars magic of my youth.

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Same. I suspected it was Luke as well but the reveal wasn't spoiled at all. The reveal felt like an old World Class Wrestling surprise entrance to it, like when one of the Von Erichs showed up in disguise and then started kicking the shit out of the Freebirds. It made me feel like a kid again getting giddy at the hero's entrance.
This whole series captures the Star Wars magic of my youth.


“Is that Luke Skywalker’s music?!?”
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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

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I know he wasn't a stormtrooper, but the point is made.

 

Oh c'mon Finn got to share clothes with the fast talking swarthy Guatemalan ace flyboy, romance a pudgy, clingy Vietnamese American, kill the big hulking English chick waste of space stormtrooper and make subtle attempts at a norm breaking Star Wars interracial relationship with the hot English chick before he got friend zoned by the Jedi order and their monastic tendencies.  Finn was dealing with a lot of shit.

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1 minute ago, GTX Horn said:

IMO they don’t even need to recast her. The show has a strong supporting cast without her. Just don’t mention her again and move on.

Agree with this. No need to recast, it's a big universe, he can meet someone else to help him. 

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17 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

IMO they don’t even need to recast her. The show has a strong supporting cast without her. Just don’t mention her again and move on.

True.  Oh she died.  Sad sad sad.  

More screen time for Mr. Kim if he wants it! 

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19 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

IMO they don’t even need to recast her. The show has a strong supporting cast without her. Just don’t mention her again and move on.

Hell, if they go in the direction they seem to be, she'd be nowhere near the third season anyways, since it'll probably be Mandalorian stuff.

She was being presented with the Rangers of the New Republic show last year, which would have taken her out of Mandalorian anyways, although apparently LucasFilm started retooling it after she made her first round of comments back in November.

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59 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

IMO they don’t even need to recast her. The show has a strong supporting cast without her. Just don’t mention her again and move on.

100% this.

She can literally be explained away with one line of dialogue.  "Ever since we lost Cara Dune a the battle of blah blah blah..."  Boom. Done. Move on.

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