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On 10/18/2025 at 4:42 AM, capnamerca said:

Point of order. There's been ONE guy like this guy, and that guy has historically been considered the best to ever play this game. 

That one guy, as great as he was, was not this guy. I thoroughly enjoy reading about Ruth and the stories. This is the guy that every single player will be measured against though once he is done playing. He is as complete a baseball player as has ever existed and we’re all lucky we get to watch his career play out on a real MLB team instead of Anaheim.

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18 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

That one guy, as great as he was, was not this guy.

This guy, as good as he is, hasn't ever hit more home runs in a season than every other TEAM in his league, like the other guy did in 1920. As Shoehei is to playing both ways, Ruth was to the homer. 

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59 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

This guy, as good as he is, hasn't ever hit more home runs in a season than every other TEAM in his league, like the other guy did in 1920. As Shoehei is to playing both ways, Ruth was to the homer. 

A 100 years ago. Ohtani has already passed him on the list of greatest players. Like it, don’t like it. Doesn’t matter. I’m not even a Dodgers fan. The guy is simply the best to ever play the game.

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4 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

A 100 years ago.

That's completely disingenuous debate :) ... you have to compare players to others of their era. It's also completely dismissive of the impact Ruth had on the game. The entire philosophy of the sport changed when he was done as a player. Ohtani is executing at a level never seen before, that is clearly true, but until we see a legion of guys suddenly playing both ways, his impact won't ever be as great as Babe Ruth.

(Shoehei is fantastic. What he's doing is CLEARLY the most out-of-this-world thing since Ruth ... I'm not ready to annoint him yet, but I'm also enjoying the debate.)

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It’s also not telling the entire story of Ruth’s accomplishments without saying they came in a segregated league that did not have all of the best players in the same league. MLB now has the best of the best from the many different parts of the world that play the sport. To me that is a far greater accomplishment. I still like Ruth, the accomplishments, the life outside of baseball and whatnot.
 

I think the only time MLB players saw a Japanese pitcher before Nomo (shouldn’t say only, but the first time of any significance) was in the 30’s in an all-star game in Japan where a 17 year old teenager went to town on a team of American barnstormers.

https://www.mlb.com/amp/cut4/the-day-a-japanese-high-schooler-struck-out-ruth-gehrig-and-foxx-in-succession-c.html

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1 hour ago, capnamerca said:

This guy, as good as he is, hasn't ever hit more home runs in a season than every other TEAM in his league, like the other guy did in 1920. As Shoehei is to playing both ways, Ruth was to the homer. 

Ohtani would have popped 200 homers in that era, if he didn’t get killed first from getting drilled in the head…

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