College Football in 2020 in danger?

[Bartles 769]

That's a great point about not trusting the coaches. It should be taken out of their hands, but Nick Saban isn't going to let some doctor tell him his best pass rusher can't play the morning of a game.

And I agree the mass testing looks impossible as of today. But the leagues that are doing serious planning at the moment are counting on it.

Another thing I know sounds preposterous today: at some point we will have "public life" again, pre-vaccine. It will be dangerous, but the goal is for immunity, testing and treatment to make it low risk.

[4th&Five 41055]

Dr. Ezekiel "Zeke" Emanuel, one of the key architects of the Affordable Care Act and a special adviser to the director general of the World Health Organization, told The New York Times that he doesn't anticipate it to be safe to return to concerts, sporting events and other mass public gatherings for another 18 months.

"Restarting the economy has to be done in stages, and it does have to start with more physical distancing at a work site that allows people who are at lower risk to come back," he said. "Certain kinds of construction, or manufacturing or offices, in which you can maintain six-foot distances are more reasonable to start sooner. Larger gatherings — conferences, concerts, sporting events — when people say they're going to reschedule this conference or graduation event for October 2020, I have no idea how they think that's a plausible possibility. I think those things will be the last to return. Realistically we're talking fall 2021 at the earliest. Restaurants where you can space tables out, maybe sooner."

He continued: "In Hong Kong, Singapore and other places, we're seeing resurgences when they open up and allow more activity. It's going to be this roller coaster, up and down. The question is: When it goes up, can we do better testing and contact tracing so that we can focus on particular people and isolate them and not have to reimpose shelter-in-place for everyone as we did before?"

Public health experts have repeatedly expressed their concern that Americans are underestimating how long the coronavirus pandemic will disrupt everyday life in the country.

[taybo20 2804]

2020 a year to remember...or something like that

[SubliminalHorn 6327]

Let’s say that the season is moved to winter/spring 2021, although I still don’t see that happening, but let’s say it does. So does the Fall start to the 2021 season start as usual or does it also get pushed to the following winter/spring as well? If the season is moved to a later start, then players would only have like what, 3 months in between seasons? I don’t see, both logistically and taking health and recovery into account, how a fall 2021 season would go on as normal. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by SubliminalHorn

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

27 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Dr. Ezekiel "Zeke" Emanuel, one of the key architects of the Affordable Care Act and a special adviser to the director general of the World Health Organization, told The New York Times that he doesn't anticipate it to be safe to return to concerts, sporting events and other mass public gatherings for another 18 months.

that guy can go straight to fucking hell

[Red Five 40108]

4 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Let’s say that the season is moved to winter/spring 2021, although I still don’t see that happening, but let’s say it does. So does the Fall start to the 2021 season start as usual or does it also get pushed to the following winter/spring as well? If the season is moved to a later start, then players would only have like what, 3 months in between seasons? I don’t see, both logistically and taking health and recovery into account, how a fall 2021 season would go on as normal. 

An offseason of only July and August would make all of this worth it. 

[Bullneck 18617]

5 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

that guy can go straight to fucking hell

Come on over to the CR thread!

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

Come on over to the CR thread!

I deserve as much

[SHOOTER12 8766]

On 4/12/2020 at 2:55 PM, Deej said:

It's ringing when they start 0-3.

Yep, the best turnaround in texum bulldog history evar.

[SHOOTER12 8766]

1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said:

that guy can go straight to fucking hell

Go to hell
After dark
It's a sin filled city
An amusement park
It's a one way ticket to the other side
It's a Dr. Jekyll and a Mr. Hyde

[taybo20 2804]

We need a vaccine

[The Marsellus Wallace 102]

7 minutes ago, taybo20 said:

We need a vaccine

John Sharp says not to worry, the aggys are on it.

[MotownHorn 1714]

5 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

that guy can go straight to fucking hell

I hate it when those egghead liberals tell us the truth. 

[SubliminalHorn 6327]

5 hours ago, Red Five said:

An offseason of only July and August would make all of this worth it. 

8+ months of offseason really sucks. And I’m sure you’re joking, but the increase in chances of injury go up greatly with that kind of offseason. So, I just don’t see how a late start can happen and it not completely affect the future of college football. IMO, the season either starts on time, or it starts mid fall with a shortened season, Or we are not going to see college football again until fall 2021. Sucks hard.

edit: forgot to add or college football becomes a winter/spring sport from now on. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by SubliminalHorn

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

40 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

I hate it when those egghead liberals tell us the truth. 

Has nothing to do with him being liberal or conservative

[gecko 1104]

I hate it when those egghead liberals tell us the truth. 

He boldly predicted we would have 100M people infected

[Deej 76080]

1 hour ago, The Marsellus Wallace said:

John Sharp says not to worry, the aggys are on it.

I'd rather a "vaccination" not involve a glory hole.

[4th&Five 41055]

2 minutes ago, gecko said:

He boldly predicted we would have 100M people infected

Haven’t most predictions been similar?

[gecko 1104]

Fear porn has been taken to a new level

[Deej 76080]

1 minute ago, gecko said:

Fear porn has been taken to a new level

Higher than disaster scientist and Romeo Rose level?

[wood 10786]

2 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

8+ months of offseason really sucks. And I’m sure you’re joking, but the increase in chances of injury go up greatly with that kind of offseason. So, I just don’t see how a late start can happen and it not completely affect the future of college football. IMO, the season either starts on time, or it starts mid fall with a shortened season, Or we are not going to see college football again until fall 2021. Sucks hard.

edit: forgot to add or college football becomes a winter/spring sport from now on. 

I think they could gradually taper down the off-season until it's back on track again. Might take a couple of years to do it in a way that minimizes the adverse effects, but it need not be permanent imho.

[Upgrayedd 5743]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

Higher than disaster scientist and Romeo Rose level?

Speaking of which, whatever happened to Romeo?  He still around?

[The_Great_Hornsby 3306]

38 minutes ago, wood said:

I think they could gradually taper down the off-season until it's back on track again. Might take a couple of years to do it in a way that minimizes the adverse effects, but it need not be permanent imho.

Naw, I think you just have two back to back season in one year and get back on track. 3 months in-between is plenty of time. Plus all the TV deals and stadium schedules. They are gonna want that normal Fall schedule and revenue. 

[wood 10786]

1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Naw, I think you just have two back to back season in one year and get back on track. 3 months in-between is plenty of time. Plus all the TV deals and stadium schedules. They are gonna want that normal Fall schedule and revenue. 

I mean ... I don't disagree. My thinking on this is a lot closer to what you said than what Subliminal said.

[mulletpelini 5206]

11 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Dr. Ezekiel "Zeke" Emanuel, one of the key architects of the Affordable Care Act and a special adviser to the director general of the World Health Organization, told The New York Times that he doesn't anticipate it to be safe to return to concerts, sporting events and other mass public gatherings for another 18 months.

"Restarting the economy has to be done in stages, and it does have to start with more physical distancing at a work site that allows people who are at lower risk to come back," he said. "Certain kinds of construction, or manufacturing or offices, in which you can maintain six-foot distances are more reasonable to start sooner. Larger gatherings — conferences, concerts, sporting events — when people say they're going to reschedule this conference or graduation event for October 2020, I have no idea how they think that's a plausible possibility. I think those things will be the last to return. Realistically we're talking fall 2021 at the earliest. Restaurants where you can space tables out, maybe sooner."

He continued: "In Hong Kong, Singapore and other places, we're seeing resurgences when they open up and allow more activity. It's going to be this roller coaster, up and down. The question is: When it goes up, can we do better testing and contact tracing so that we can focus on particular people and isolate them and not have to reimpose shelter-in-place for everyone as we did before?"

Public health experts have repeatedly expressed their concern that Americans are underestimating how long the coronavirus pandemic will disrupt everyday life in the country.

I don't think it will last quite this long, but I can see where it will take time.  I don't see football or basketball played this upcoming year.  Maybe by spring they'll get something figured out.

The part that really fucking infuriates me is that you can see the progress Nebraska has been making.  There's no doubt they would have been in the playoff this year.  17 fumbles inside the 10 yard line against Texas costing you a NC is one thing, this is bullshit.

[Tailgate 2972]

I just renewed my season tickets.

Fuck COVID-19.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

3 hours ago, mulletpelini said:

I don't think it will last quite this long, but I can see where it will take time.  I don't see football or basketball played this upcoming year.  Maybe by spring they'll get something figured out.

The part that really fucking infuriates me is that you can see the progress Nebraska has been making.  There's no doubt they would have been in the playoff this year.  17 fumbles inside the 10 yard line against Texas costing you a NC is one thing, this is bullshit.

I'm veeeeeeery excited about the Spring diving season.....

[Knoxtnhorn 5906]

As much of an optimist as I am, I just don't see it happening.  I mean, even best case scenario... the virus all but goes away by July.  All it takes is for one player in, say, October, to test positive.  Then he's q'd, the team is q'd, the last two teams they play are q'd, the staff from 3 different schools are q'd.  Then what?  All three of those teams just skip 2-3 weeks of games?  All that for one player.  And there's no way, if the virus is still around, that just one player from one team gets it.  If one player tests positive, there'll be others.  

Dammit.  

[4th&Five 41055]

I don’t think it would ever get to a game. It’d take a week of practice and half the teams would be shut down. 

[Armybrat 40464]

Well, they could just “downsize” To flag football 🏈 

{ducks down & covers}

[irishtexan 11413]

When they cancel this season - which they will - I wonder how that will impact scholarship limits when play resumes in 2021. Will the grant an increase to, say, 110 scholarship athletes, and give everyone two redshirt years (excluding this year, of course) to handle the glut of players on the teams? They'll have to spread it out over the next 4-5 years. Crazy to think about..

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

55 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

When they cancel this season - which they will - I wonder how that will impact scholarship limits when play resumes in 2021. Will the grant an increase to, say, 110 scholarship athletes, and give everyone two redshirt years (excluding this year, of course) to handle the glut of players on the teams? They'll have to spread it out over the next 4-5 years. Crazy to think about..

well, they're students, so I think the focus should be on them finishing their Kiniseology and Communications and African-American Studies degrees and going pro in something other than sports. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by SwanderedTalent

[SHOOTER12 8766]

8 hours ago, Tailgate said:

I just renewed my season tickets.

Fuck COVID-19.

The road to normalcy starts here...

[MAUFRAIS 6538]

Renewed as well. Might be a good opportunity to upgrayedd seats.

[VirginiaLonghorn 4717]

2 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

well, they're students, so I think the focus should be on them finishing their Kiniseology and Communications and African-American Studies degrees and going pro in something other than sports. 

Don’t forget Urban Nutrition and Recreation. 

[CooterBrown 17695]

What'll happen is that society will go back to large gatherings way too soon. The resulting second wave will be much worse than the first time around, and then large crowds will be a no-go for much longer than just the next 9-12 months.

 

 

[LTbear 4030]

3 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

What'll happen is that society will go back to large gatherings way too soon. The resulting second wave will be much worse than the first time around, and then large crowds will be a no-go for much longer than just the next 9-12 months.

 

 

There will be a vaccine before "much longer than just the next 9-12 months."

[CooterBrown 17695]

NCAA banned all virtual coaching last night. So much for that.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/watertown/sports/2020/04/14/ncaa-bans-virtual-workouts-moving-forward

[irishtexan 11413]

There will be a vaccine before "much longer than just the next 9-12 months."

We may find a vaccine that works within the next month. But according to the opinions of the epidemiologists and infectious disease experts, then we have to conduct clinical studies to ensure it doesn’t have any harmful side effects. Once it’s determined to be safe we have to make hundreds of millions of copies of it and get it out. Then there will be the politics of who gets the vaccine first, which could result in additional political delays.

 

I suppose it’s possible we could bypass some of the safety studies that are normally done and we could increase production through the Defense Production Act. But even then it’s probably a year before we have the vaccine distributed to the point that we are all immune. And that’s on the “very optimistic” side.

[Extra Anejo 99]

4 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

What'll happen is that society will go back to large gatherings way too soon. The resulting second wave will be much worse than the first time around, and then large crowds will be a no-go for much longer than just the next 9-12 months.

 

 

Everybody expects the vaccine to be the savior but there has been some vaccines that took 10 years to develop. There are no guarantees with this virus, there's surprises almost daily with how it acts. Now we have the issue in Korea where 120 people that recovered from the virus have re-acquired.

Edited April 14, 2020 by Extra Anejo

[irishtexan 11413]

As much of an optimist as I am, I just don't see it happening.  I mean, even best case scenario... the virus all but goes away by July.  All it takes is for one player in, say, October, to test positive.  Then he's q'd, the team is q'd, the last two teams they play are q'd, the staff from 3 different schools are q'd.  Then what?  All three of those teams just skip 2-3 weeks of games?  All that for one player.  And there's no way, if the virus is still around, that just one player from one team gets it.  If one player tests positive, there'll be others.  
Dammit.  

Studies are showing the virus is not impacted by temperature like people had hoped, as was evidenced by the rapid spread of the virus through Australia in February, which was in the middle of summer for them. Plus, with zero exposure/immunity it’s not expected that summer temps will slow this down. Sheltering in place is working. But we aren’t getting a weather reprieve like many had hoped for.

[kopp0e 1135]

15 hours ago, Tailgate said:

I just renewed my season tickets.

Fuck COVID-19.

The latest from RJ seems to follow the thought that athletic directors (now) want CFP expansion to offset COVID-19 revenue losses..?

 

[wood 10786]

18 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

We may find a vaccine that works within the next month. But according to the opinions of the epidemiologists and infectious disease experts, then we have to conduct clinical studies to ensure it doesn’t have any harmful side effects. Once it’s determined to be safe we have to make hundreds of millions of copies of it and get it out. Then there will be the politics of who gets the vaccine first, which could result in additional political delays.

 

I suppose it’s possible we could bypass some of the safety studies that are normally done and we could increase production through the Defense Production Act. But even then it’s probably a year before we have the vaccine distributed to the point that we are all immune. And that’s on the “very optimistic” side.

 

18 minutes ago, Extra Anejo said:

Everybody expects the vaccine to be the savior but there has been some vaccines that took 10 years to develop. There are no guarantees with this virus, there's surprises almost daily with how it acts. Now we have the issue in Korea where 120 people that recovered from the virus have re-acquired.

Yep, and if we're gonna be administering this vaccine to the entire population, skimping on portions of the clinical trials just might not be a great idea.

[hundredTT 575]

Aggy just claimed the MNC for 2020. 

 

As hard as I tried to fight it, I've accepted there will be no college FB in 2020. They just can't risk it due to being "amateurs". Hope I'm wrong, hell I'd be so happy to be wrong. But like as others have said, a vaccine won't magically cure everything in the next months. Plus threats of another fall spike, stick a fork in contact sports for a while. I mean honestly, if you were a wealthy professional athlete, would you want to sweat and slobber on someone during all this relatively soon? 

Edited April 15, 2020 by hundredTT

[mulletpelini 5206]

2 hours ago, wood said:

 

Yep, and if we're gonna be administering this vaccine to the entire population, skimping on portions of the clinical trials just might not be a great idea.

If they tested it on the state of Oklahoma, and people became zombies from it, would anything really be different?

[LTbear 4030]

3 hours ago, irishtexan said:

We may find a vaccine that works within the next month. But according to the opinions of the epidemiologists and infectious disease experts, then we have to conduct clinical studies to ensure it doesn’t have any harmful side effects. Once it’s determined to be safe we have to make hundreds of millions of copies of it and get it out. Then there will be the politics of who gets the vaccine first, which could result in additional political delays.

 

I suppose it’s possible we could bypass some of the safety studies that are normally done and we could increase production through the Defense Production Act. But even then it’s probably a year before we have the vaccine distributed to the point that we are all immune. And that’s on the “very optimistic” side.

I know what the normal trajectory is (doctor wife). I'm just saying that "much longer than the next 9-12 months" is longer than would be typical, and this has been progressing relatively rapidly. 

Edited April 15, 2020 by LTbear

[Js1 82355]

 

[4th&Five 41055]

 

[Francisco 2.0 31567]

22 hours ago, irishtexan said:

When they cancel this season - which they will - I wonder how that will impact scholarship limits when play resumes in 2021. Will the grant an increase to, say, 110 scholarship athletes, and give everyone two redshirt years (excluding this year, of course) to handle the glut of players on the teams? They'll have to spread it out over the next 4-5 years. Crazy to think about..

Important to note; when the NCAA granted an extra year of eligibility to spring sports, it wasn't just for seniors.  Everyone got an extra year of eligibility...meaning, some schools simply are not going to be able to afford the scholarship ramifications on their spring sports in the coming years, especially without football carrying the financial load.

 

 

 

[irishtexan 11413]

16 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Important to note; when the NCAA granted an extra year of eligibility to spring sports, it wasn't just for seniors.  Everyone got an extra year of eligibility...meaning, some schools simply are not going to be able to afford the scholarship ramifications on their spring sports in the coming years, especially without football carrying the financial load.

I'm just wondering what they do on scholarship limits. If 90% of the players who intended to play this year come back next year, and you don't have a year for players to learn they're never gonna see the field and they transfer, then you add a new class, there's basically no way any school will be able to stay under 85. Or every school takes like 10 players in the next two classes.