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Schooler probably looks like shit on some plays because the dude is probably wore out, seems like the guy is all over the field and in on half to 2/3rds of the tackles.  Not sure why anyone's dogging on him.  He is playing his butt off compared to most of the shit defense..

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Pk is shit because he hasn’t shown an ability to get his guys to do what he needs then to do on a regular basis. I’ve seen him try and play more guys closer to the LOS and the results are not pretty. A few runs the last few weeks have seen 9-10 people about 5-7 yards off the ball and they still led to big gains.
They are poor teachers for these players and gap control has gotten worse as this losing streak has continued. It’s nuts and it’s gotta change somehow.
I’m not convinced a scheme change makes a difference but a new voice might

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2 hours ago, DiceHands said:

We need to stop paying coaches 5 million a year, 1 million a year, etc until they, idk. ACTUALLY PROVE THEY ARE WORTH A FUCK!  They get here and make more than they ever have and just fucking coast because they are set for life now.  Pay them once they prove they can actually do the fucking job.

I've dreamt of having players design their own defensive scheme during game week, appoint a couple of team captains on the D side to monitor/control/adjust as the game goes on. That way the players would be 100% bought in and 100% on the same page. Anything would be better than the status quo.

btw, talkign about 14 Schooler -- irony is he lead the team in tackles with 9 vs. Kansas. Overshown had 7.  Weird eh?

the 2 point conversion wasn't on Schooler either as he had to cover 2 guys as one defender stupidly rushed the QB for no reason as 2 other teammates were much closer to the QB. The 3rd guy shoudl have dropped back in coverage but did not and Lumpy made the catch of his life. 

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3 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

Can anyone even tell? It seems like BJ actively tries to avoid coming near the ball or ball carrier the majority of times he's in.

He must be following the Caden Sterns plan of basically not giving a shit and avoiding all contact and hoping some team drafts him.

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Thx for this @satyanash

(Bobby Burton) Sunday: Re-watch thoughts (Defense)

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I re-watched the game because I wanted to strip the in-game emotional element from my opinions, and rewind plays multiple times to get a better feel for some of the things that went on during the game. After doing so, here’s where I come out:

- The Texas front (the DL and linebackers) and secondary have no real clue how to manage run fits as a unit consistently. They constantly overrun plays. They constantly take poor angles. They rarely get off blocks. They constantly fill the same hole with two people, leaving somewhere else vacant. It’s really so disconnected that it’s hard to put into words how disjointed they are. They, as a unit, have a low football IQ.

- From a personnel standpoint, BJ Foster was abused multiple times on pass plays and did not support the run with any authority last night. He was a team weakness on Saturday night and exactly who the Jayhawks picked on when they needed yardage in the pass game. Not only did Foster get burned by the same play twice in the red zone but he has no clue how to snug up to a receiver on third downs over the middle of the field. Foster often seems to have zero feel for an opponent’s passing game.

- Luke Brockermeyer simply doesn’t have the mix of strength and athleticism necessary to be an average linebacker in the Big 12. And when paired with DeMarvion Overshown, they are collectively the weakest duo against the run in the conference. Neither has the strength nor violence to get off blocks in the run game. The two should never play snaps together unless it’s an obvious passing situation. Otherwise, Texas will continue to be run on with relative ease. If Texas coaches can’t see that, then they are blind to a reality.

- Ray Thornton and Ovie Oghufo both have shortcomings. They are both high effort players, however. Thornton gives it 100-percent on every play but is not very athletic laterally or sudden moving forward. Oghufo overruns and overestimates his reaction time greatly, and is not a sound football player at this time. Yet if there’s one play that really makes me like anything from the defense last night, it was the effort by Oghufo to run down the KU running back 60 yards downfield in the third quarter. Of course, the Jayhawks ended scoring a TD on the drive, but plays like that mean the effort is there, at least from Oghufo.

- Jett Bush needs to move to linebacker full-time in the off-season. He should never play as a true defensive end. It makes zero sense; he’s just not big enough. But Bush tackles well in space and seems to have a feel for taking away the quick passing game when he drops into coverage.

 

- From a coaching standpoint, I will never understand how the coaches look at this defense and its personnel and think all the parts can fit together to be a good squad. The pieces are not there to run what they want to run. This defense funnels things to the linebackers and safeties, which are the two weakest spots on the defense at this point. This defense was destined to fail before the season began because the personnel does not fit the scheme. Yet there have been no real alterations made to help the defense the rest of the season.

- The Texas defense starts eight seniors and/or grad transfers. Eight! They, theoretically, should be experienced and coachable. They rarely, if ever, look like it, however.

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5 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Thx for this @satyanash

(Bobby Burton) Sunday: Re-watch thoughts (Defense)

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Like Scipio says:

One of the things that's super-insane is, as Burton points out, there are 8 seniors on the defensive roster.

Who are you teaching this failed system to?  If it was a bunch of young guys that could grow into it, that might make some sense.  This makes none.

PK needs to go the way of the security guard.

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13 hours ago, Tex-19 said:

I still truly don’t understand how PKs track record hasnt translated at all here. I also don’t understand how before tonight, our defense was excellent in 1st halves and so bad in 2nd. 

What I do know is that PK has to be fired along with several others from that side of the ball.

His players cannot do what he’s asking them to do, or he is too stupid/stubborn to ask them to do things they can. 

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3 hours ago, victory88 said:

Honestly, we should have never had Chris Ash, Hutzler, and Giles go.  They were all very good coaches.  We should have fired Mark Hagen and Valai and brought in Bo Davis and another secondary coach.  We fired a pretty good DC and position coaches for this bullshit.  I watched Giles coach 3 players to Big 12 DL of the year.  I watched Hutzler turn our LB corps last year from shit to workable.  And I watched Chris Ash take simplify the game plan and utilize players to their strengths.  Who here think PK has done that.  
 

I said the same thing when it became clear we weren't getting Muschamp. Should've just kept the consistency of Ash. The defense had been making some clear improvements. But then I'll admit that I was pleased by the PK hire at the time. Whoops.

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Sark has one possible Hail Mary left.

fire PK.  Promote from within a new DC (Choate?) to dumb down the defense for the few remaining games. 
hopefully we will show enough spark to create hope and recruiting momentum for next year.    

That said, he should have done all this two game ago, so I doubt he will now. 
 

ugh, look at me. I’m at the bargaining stage of grief.    

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Ranking the Top 25 defensive coordinators in college football for 2021

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One of college football’s great maxims is that defense wins games and championships. Whether that’s true or those guys picking up first downs and points have something to do with it is perhaps a matter of interpretation. But one thing is for sure — since defenses are critical, defensive coordinators must be, too. As part of our annual Top 25 series, here’s some fodder for the water cooler arguments, as I rank the nation’s top 25 FBS defensive coordinators.

A few caveats. Yes, a head coach qualifies if he calls the defensive plays. Yes, this is always hard. How much of coaching is finding and keeping the best players? How much do you credit a new coach at a powerhouse? A veteran coach at an above-average school? For that matter, when a coach moves, do we reward his past excellence in ranking his successor at the old school or him at his new school? Answer wise, this list could change by the day on fall Saturdays — maybe even by the minute. Factors considered included team success, defensive success, longevity, success at other jobs and programs, and the likelihood that this particular defense will shine in 2021. Without further ado, here are the top 25 defensive coordinators in college football.

25. Nate Woody, Army

It’s not exactly a secret, but coaching at the service academies largely involves working around missing ingredients — talent often being chief among them. Woody’s Army defense led the nation in giving up just 275 yards per game. Opponents managed just 14.8 points per game against the Black Knights, and the 2nd-year DC is a man to watch.

24. Bob Gregory/Ikaika Malloe, Washington

Gregory was recently promoted to DC, and Malloe will retain is co-DC status. Both coaches have been on staff for a while, and the defensive units and players they coached have produced. Washington’s defenses have been stout, and an excellent secondary should lead this group in 2021.

23. Brad White, Kentucky

White’s Kentucky defense wasn’t exactly perfect during a 5-6 2020 campaign that was his first season as UK’s DC. But he coached UK’s pass defense to top of the SEC status and sent a bunch of players to the NFL. He’ll do better with more and better players in ’21.

22. Morgan Scalley, Utah

Sixth-year DC Scalley always has the Utes among the conference’s best in stopping the run and before a slow 2020, his guys had generated a ton of QB pressure. Utah returns 9 starters on defense and could enhance Scalley’s status by threatening for the Pac-12 title.

21. Barry Odom, Arkansas

Year 1 for Odom at Arkansas wasn’t a statistical success. But the veteran coordinator and former Mizzou head coach knows defense. He has 10 starters back and even in the eternally loaded SEC West, Arkansas will show significant improvement this fall.

20. Chad Staggs, Coastal Carolina

In 2020, Staggs’ second CCU defense knocked off 10 points per game allowed from his first. They also went from 21 sacks to 34 and were part of a team that had a 0 turnover margin improving to +13. Of course, CCU went from 5 wins in 2019 to 11 last year. And with 10 starters back, CCU will be tough again this fall.

19. Kerry Coombs, Ohio State

Yeah, Coombs’ first OSU defense got singed with the passing game a few times in 2020. But they also were tough on the run (98 yards per game allowed) and in turnovers (positive margin in every game last year). This is a leap of faith that Coombs could well be in the top 10-15 a year from now.

18. Tim DeRuyter, Oregon

DeRuyter did a solid job at Cal of making a horrible defense pretty good. Can he translate that to making a talented defense significantly better? Mario Cristobal bet on yes and will likely be rewarded for his faith.

17. Todd Grantham, Florida

Talk about a guy who could rise or fall, here’s your pick. Grantham has done great and terrible things and has coached everywhere in the world, given or take a few teams. Some love him, some hate him. In 2019, his UF defense was outstanding (15.5 PPG allowed, 305 total yards, 49 sacks). Last year, not so much (30.8 PPG allowed, 428 total yards, 35 sacks). Which one is more representative? We’ll see in 2021.

16. Jay Bateman/Tommy Thigpen, North Carolina

This is essentially a referendum on Mack Brown at UNC. While the defense regressed a bit in 2020, it was substantially better since the new staff came on board than it had been. UNC was ranked No. 105 in total defense in 2018 but improved to No. 57 in 2020. Given 10 returning starters, these guys could become stars in 2021.

15. Todd Orlando, USC

This second-year coordinator tightened up the defense last year (improved from 29 to 26 PPG allowed, from 4.5 yards per carry allowed to 4.2, and from -10 turnover margin to +5). With an experienced and talented front, Orlando could really shine in 2021.

14. Brent Pry, Penn State

Pry came to State with James Franklin and while his usually stout defense stumbled a bit in 2020, expect to see a return to form that had PSU finishing with 40 or more sacks each of the previous 5 years before last year.

13. Mike Tressel, Cincinnati

Take an already tough UC defense (allowed 16.8 PPG last year) and add veteran Tressel, who spent 14 years as DC at Michigan State. An outstanding defensive line will key the Bearcats in 2021.

12. Derek Mason, Auburn

Bryan Harsin went with an experienced and talented coordinator. Mason was in a tough spot as head coach at Vandy, but his Stanford defenses were superb, and given that Auburn’s cupboard is never bare, don’t be surprised if Mason is back in the head coaching ranks sooner rather than later.

11. Pete Kwiatkowski, Texas

When Texas brought in Sark, they didn’t dry up the West coast connections. Kwiatkowski was outstanding at Washington, leading the Huskies to sub-20 PPG defensive performances in 5 of his 7 years there. At Texas, he inherits a talented base with a strong pass rush that could surprise in the Big 12.

10. Jon Heacock, Iowa State

Not a flashy guy, but this 6th-year coordinator has seen his defenses improve in yardage allowed every year but one in Ames. They’re tough against the run and over the past 4 years have generated more sacks than their offense allowed every season. A tough linebacker corps will lead this bunch in 2021.

9. Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame

Gutsy move by the golden domers to bring in Cincinnati’s ace coordinator. If he could do it at Cincy, he should be fine at South Bend. As ND averaged under 20 PPG allowed the past 3 years, there’s quite a solid core to work with on this job.

8. Dan Lanning/Glenn Schumann, Georgia

UGA’s defense (or Kirby Smart’s defense?) is eternally solid, but it did come up lacking in a couple of big games last fall. That said, 20 points per game allowed, 72 rushing yards allowed (and 2.4 yards per carry) and 32 sacks is not a bad year of work. This is kind of a testing year for this duo — they could be in the top 5 next year or take a step back.

7. Manny Diaz, Miami

Diaz is that rare guy who calls his own defense as the head coach/DC. He did great work at Louisiana Tech and Mississippi State and is building toward something special at Miami. He has 9 starters back this fall and may well have the second-best defense in the ACC.

6. Mike Elko, Texas A&M

In 4 seasons at A&M, Elko has improved the Aggies’ points allowed and yardage allowed in every season. With 9 returning starters, if the stars align, this could be an Aggies defense that leads the team to a Playoff berth.

5. Jim Leonhard, Wisconsin

The 5th-year DC saw his 2018 team struggle, but otherwise, he has delivered the same thing every year: a defense that allows fewer than 20 PPG, holds rushers to 3.3 yards per carry, and that limits passers to just under or above 50% completions. That’ll work.

4. Phil Parker, Iowa

Two things we love: continuity (Parker’s 10th year at Iowa as DC and 21st year coaching there) and stopping the run. Iowa held opponents at or below 3.5 yards per carry each of the past 3 seasons, including 2.8 yards per carry last year. With 5 seasons in a row of allowing under 20 points per game, Parker’s Hawkeyes will be tough again.

3. Alex Grinch, Oklahoma

Name alone would make him a top-flight pick, but Grinch has been downright stingy toward Big 12 offenses. Since his hiring, OU has gone from allowing 33 points per game to per game before him to 27 and 22 under him. The Sooners had 37 sacks in 11 games last year, and they’re a solid national title contender for 2021 partially on the strength of this great Grinch defense.

2. Brent Venables, Clemson

Hard to argue the status of this 9th-year coordinator. A pair of national titles, a Frank Broyles award, even despite some tough season-ending performances the past 2 years, this guy is a top-of-the-list pick until he becomes somebody’s head coach.

1. Pete Golding, Alabama

To be the best, you’ve got to beat the best, and after a few rough spots in 2019, Golding’s Tide defense took care of business against the top squads in 2021. Each of his first 2 Bama squads allowed fewer than 20 PPG, fewer than 4 yards per carry, and posted 32 and 35 sacks. Nick Saban likes him. Good enough for us.

 

PK was #11 on this preseason list... 

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So who would the DC targets be if PK does get let go? Mine would be:

First call to Muschamp to see if he (and his wife) are ready to get back in the game. 

Jim Knowles (Ok St.)

Glenn Schumann (UGA co-DC. Risky choice for sure.)

Kevin Steele - could theoretically step in today 

Derek Mason

Arnett

Outside chance but I could see Saban looking to replace Golding depending on how the season plays out, in which case he'd probably be Sark's choice

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1 hour ago, Tex-19 said:

So who would the DC targets be if PK does get let go? Mine would be:

First call to Muschamp to see if he (and his wife) are ready to get back in the game. 

Jim Knowles (Ok St.)

Glenn Schumann (UGA co-DC. Risky choice for sure.)

Kevin Steele - could theoretically step in today 

Derek Mason

Arnett

Outside chance but I could see Saban looking to replace Golding depending on how the season plays out, in which case he'd probably be Sark's choice

done, that'll be $9.95

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Lot of bitching about Schooler. He isn’t good,  but he at least gives effort. Did you see Gbenda on the QB sneak that got like 6-8 yards in short yardage? He gets knocked on his ass by a QB. That is bad, but they collided at around 3-5 yards. How the fuck do you sit there and wait for a ball carrier in Short yardage on a QB sneak. I can’t think of a play that highlights the defense’s issues better than that. 

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Schooler probably looks like shit on some plays because the dude is probably wore out, seems like the guy is all over the field and in on half to 2/3rds of the tackles.  Not sure why anyone's dogging on him.  He is playing his butt off compared to most of the shit defense..

No one should ever question Schooler or Dylan’s heart. They play their asses off. They gave a shit and it showed.

I think they are both great Longhorns, and good teammates. But not great players. They give it their all though. That is all we can ask of them.

Now the coaches….
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Let's think of this another way. We are looking from the outside, but let's just assume PK is a great coach. What could be making him shit the bed? Culture? dumb players and no smart ones on the roster. Meddling ? Bad assistant coaches messing up his stuff? Players disgruntled and no players to bench them? Setting the bar so low the first year and then come out roaring next year? 

 

Fuck I dont know. Just curious how a defensive coach so well respected and thought of could shit the bed this bad. There has to be something going on we don't know about . Someone with inside info needs to spill it 

 

 

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Just now, nineliveslost said:

Let's think of this another way. We are looking from the outside, but let's just assume PK is a great coach. What could be making him shit the bed? Culture? dumb players and no smart ones on the roster. Meddling ? Bad assistant coaches messing up his stuff? Players disgruntled and no players to bench them? Setting the bar so low the first year and then come out roaring next year? 

 

Fuck I dont know. Just curious how a defensive coach so well respected and thought of could shit the bed this bad. There has to be something going on we don't know about . Someone with inside info needs to spill it 

 

 

Has a little Manny Diaz feel to it. Say what you want about Diaz as a HC, but he has fielded good defense as a coordinator everywhere else. He and Akina did not get along. They waged a personal war that tore the defense apart. I don’t think it as that level, but i think there is a disconnect between the defensive coaches. That is the only theory that makes sense to me for it to be this bad 

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15 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Has a little Manny Diaz feel to it. Say what you want about Diaz as a HC, but he has fielded good defense as a coordinator everywhere else. He and Akina did not get along. They waged a personal war that tore the defense apart. I don’t think it as that level, but i think there is a disconnect between the defensive coaches. That is the only theory that makes sense to me for it to be this bad 

which blows me away. They are willing to leave disgraced instead of working together and checking egos 

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32 minutes ago, nineliveslost said:

Let's think of this another way. We are looking from the outside, but let's just assume PK is a great coach. What could be making him shit the bed? Culture? dumb players and no smart ones on the roster. Meddling ? Bad assistant coaches messing up his stuff? Players disgruntled and no players to bench them? Setting the bar so low the first year and then come out roaring next year? 

 

Fuck I dont know. Just curious how a defensive coach so well respected and thought of could shit the bed this bad. There has to be something going on we don't know about . Someone with inside info needs to spill it 

 

 

You left out, maybe PK's resume'/ stats were inflated by playing against  cupcakes, and he had some NFL level talent like Buda Baker...

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Just now, CastHorn said:

Jimmy Lake is expected to get let go by Washington. I wonder if we’d bring him to coach defensive backs & help PK with passing defense. 

Let’s just let go of PK and those two can go find a co dc somewhere else. Our defense is so bad at basic defensive front 7. It’s not just our pass defense. 

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He's good. Our players suck. Just watch that 70 yard sweep. PK calls the exact right play and slants two LBs toward the running lane. Brockemeyer executes the call to the best of his ability, but, completely unhindered by any blockers, gets beaten to the edge by about five yards by the Kansas RB. The thing is, the best of Brockemeyer's ability would be to crush it as an all-American MLB at a school like Trinity, not the University of Texas.
A good linebacker, like Keenan Robinson or an Acho brother, snuffs it out for no gain. Someone like Derrick Johnson explodes the play four yards deep. 
But Brockemeyer?
He tried, he really did, but he's slow as Whataburger at 2AM. I felt sorry for him giving his all as he chased that dude for 50 yards, swiping vainly at his jersey as dude got further and further away, before Brockemeyer finally fell over. 
His whole story is sad on many levels. A legacy effectively sent their special needs kid to us and their gifted and talented ones somewhere else.

Jesus…that last sentence is brutal…and true.
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26 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

He's good. Our players suck. Just watch that 70 yard sweep. PK calls the exact right play and slants two LBs toward the running lane. Brockemeyer executes the call to the best of his ability, but, completely unhindered by any blockers, gets beaten to the edge by about five yards by the Kansas RB. The thing is, the best of Brockemeyer's ability would be to crush it as an all-American MLB at a school like Trinity, not the University of Texas.

A good linebacker, like Keenan Robinson or an Acho brother, snuffs it out for no gain. Someone like Derrick Johnson explodes the play four yards deep. 

But Brockemeyer?

He tried, he really did, but he's slow as Whataburger at 2AM. I felt sorry for him giving his all as he chased that dude for 50 yards, swiping vainly at his jersey as dude got further and further away, before Brockemeyer finally fell over. 

His whole story is sad on many levels. A legacy effectively sent their special needs kid to us and their gifted and talented ones somewhere else.

To quote James Hetfield - sad but true….

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52 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Handful of realtors are already reaching out to PK to list his home.  He may be incompetent and a thief, but he's not stupid.

Maybe new Washington coach will hire PK back for $750K - $1mill per year for at least 2yrs (offset would reduce part of the remaining $3.4mill Texas still owes over next 2yrs ---  $1 .7mill a year gty contract)

 

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