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52 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

He gave ou a silent back on his OV... Bet his family realized after the high off that visit wore off.. That long term Texas is the best spot. Still kinda surprised he dropped his dream school, Florida from his list 

Maybe they maxed out their DL/EDGE budget on Guervil.

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36 minutes ago, Kwix said:

Is Napier's seat hotter than Venables? 

I respect the Napier hustle. Took Lagway as a hostage, convinced UF to use his buyout money on NIL, and then sold this bullshit to podcast verse namely Andy Staples and Bud Elliott. Absolute agent masterclass in how to save your client’s job. 

UF recruiting still sucks, but they’ve talked themselves into anything is possible with Lagway/dark horse national championship bullshit. Lagway is great, but they just don’t have enough dudes. 

 

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34 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I respect the Napier hustle. Took Lagway as a hostage, convinced UF to use his buyout money on NIL, and then sold this bullshit to podcast verse namely Andy Staples and Bud Elliott. Absolute agent masterclass in how to save your client’s job. 

UF recruiting still sucks, but they’ve talked themselves into anything is possible with Lagway/dark horse national championship bullshit. Lagway is great, but they just don’t have enough dudes. 

 

GATA ain't winning a MNC with QB Lagway on a pitch-count!

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One strategy I think we’ll see get deployed by strategic families is to avoid risky situations even if they’re a recruit’s favorite choice and send them somewhere stable. If that risky situation clears up, try to transfer if you want. Seems obvious, but that couldn’t be done in the past and I’m not sure how many people it’s occurred to yet, but it’s only going to further cloud roster talent and depth going forward. 

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3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

One strategy I think we’ll see get deployed by strategic families is to avoid risky situations even if they’re a recruit’s favorite choice and send them somewhere stable. If that risky situation clears up, try to transfer if you want. Seems obvious, but that couldn’t be done in the past and I’m not sure how many people it’s occurred to yet, but it’s only going to further cloud roster talent and depth going forward. 

I wonder if we will also see top recruits commit to second tier schools, like Baylor or Tech or SMU, for the payday and to play right away, then transfer to a contender with NFL development chops after a year or two. 

Top schools will have more money tied up on their current roster and fewer opportunitiesto start as a freshman, so this could be a play.  It might not always be the best move for player development,  but if the money is right...

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46 minutes ago, AugieBall said:

I wonder if we will also see top recruits commit to second tier schools, like Baylor or Tech or SMU, for the payday and to play right away, then transfer to a contender with NFL development chops after a year or two. 

Top schools will have more money tied up on their current roster and fewer opportunitiesto start as a freshman, so this could be a play.  It might not always be the best move for player development,  but if the money is right...

Take it one step farther and you may see recruits encouraged to commit to lower tier schools to finish “baking” and then transfer to the big school later. Nothing stopping an OSU collective paying for the NIL rights for a kid who goes to Toledo for a couple of years. 

Feeder programs, basically 

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

One strategy I think we’ll see get deployed by strategic families is to avoid risky situations even if they’re a recruit’s favorite choice and send them somewhere stable. If that risky situation clears up, try to transfer if you want. Seems obvious, but that couldn’t be done in the past and I’m not sure how many people it’s occurred to yet, but it’s only going to further cloud roster talent and depth going forward. 

Ala Quinn Ewers.

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2 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

Take it one step farther and you may see recruits encouraged to commit to lower tier schools to finish “baking” and then transfer to the big school later. Nothing stopping an OSU collective paying for the NIL rights for a kid who goes to Toledo for a couple of years. 

Feeder programs, basically 

LSU is already telling kids to go to UL Lafayette to do exactly this. 

 

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11 hours ago, AugieBall said:

I wonder if we will also see top recruits commit to second tier schools, like Baylor or Tech or SMU, for the payday and to play right away, then transfer to a contender with NFL development chops after a year or two. 

Top schools will have more money tied up on their current roster and fewer opportunitiesto start as a freshman, so this could be a play.  It might not always be the best move for player development,  but if the money is right...

If I was a G5 program, this would exactly be my sell. Talented enough to play as a freshman but big schools have talented rosters? Come to our G5 program, play right away, get a little NIL, put some film up, and transfer to a P5 school if you get good offers. Do that enough, and sell yourself as a development program, win some conference championships, maybe a few bowl games, and maybe give yourself a chance at the G5 playoff spot.

If they're not good enough for big P5 schools, then they stick around until they're seniors and grow enough to be good G5 players.

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On 7/24/2025 at 3:29 PM, SL Xpress said:

 

Here's my thing. Other than OU, and maybe A&M, we're constantly eliciting a stronger reaction from other fan bases than we reciprocate. And even A&M for many of us it's tough to take them seriously as a rivalry.

If I could choose one program to make really hate us and circle us on the calendar every year, it would be Alabama, because they're Alabama. But the truth is Alabama is the Texas of the SEC. Everyone hates their guts. Everyone thinks of them as their biggest rival at different times. Alabama only has so much bandwidth for rivalries. Also, Alabama is in a transition where they're scared to death they're going back to the Perkins/Curry/Dubose/Franchione/Price (hahahaha!)/Shula era, with a little Stallings sprinkled in, who resigned under some pressure. They are in a bit of a confidence crisis at the moment. They're also concerned they don't have the juice to compete with the Texas' of the world in terms of NIL. 

Georgia has a bit of A&M in them in the sense they don't have a history of being top dog. They're the flagship program in their state, but they've never been top dog in the SEC until recently. They want the last 5 years to go on forever, and here Texas is coming in interrupting things. 

When I compare it to Nebraska, I think of how Texas fans didn't really get how much Nebraska fans hate us. I think most of us on this board do, because we're message board junkies and so we've seen it over the years. But the average Nebraska fan is well aware of how much they collectively hate Texas. Even people who were too young to be Nebraska fans when the two programs played in the 2000s. It's passed down generationally, to the extent Texas is completely and utterly blamed for their downfall. Something similar is true for Arkansas. We collectively don't really care about Arkansas. They're not really on our radar. Whatever "rivalry" there is, is mostly because it's shoved down our throats that there's a rivalry there, so we kind of shrug our shoulders and go, "okay, I guess there's a rivalry." Arkansas fans don't have to do that. They know their hate for Texas is in their DNA, passed down through the womb from one generation to the next. We just don't get that intensity.

Is that possible with Georgia? I don't know. I hope so. I hope Texas puts together a string of wins against Georgia. I hope they have a bit of a downturn in overall talent, and that talent dropoff is blamed solely on Texas. At the end of the day as long as they have Kirby Smart and Smart is dialed in as far as being a college head football coach, I feel like they're going to be fine. He's going to figure out a way to win because that's how he's built, regardless of whatever limitations are put on him. But he's not going to be able to win the same way he did the last 5 years. It's a lot more expensive now, and it's uncertain whether Georgia has the overall resources necessary. You can tell he's angry about that, and the Georgia fans and talking heads are responding in kind. And for Smart and therefore the Georgia nation the boogeyman is Texas. 

I just know having Georgia hate us is waaaaaaaay more fun than having Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and the other little sisters of the poor in the Big 12 hate us. They have a bigger fan base, it's way more passionate and active, they're the flagship school of their state with a lot of resources at their disposal, and they have a lot of recent success. But I view them much the way I viewed Nebraska. It's hilarious to watch them hate us, but I don't think I reciprocate the hate. I just find it all very amusing. 

I'll also say if you haven't spent time in Georgia, it's easy to underestimate how rural that state really is. There's a reason people from the capital say, "Oh, I'm not from Georgia. I'm from Atlanta." There can be a big difference. I'm with you on the trailer trash part. But that's the SEC for you for the most part. 

As someone with Tennessee fans in my family and who has followed SEC football for 40 years, it’s my observation that Alabama has been traditionally regarded differently by its rivals than we have by ours.  We have long been considered the school in the SWC and Big12 that was the biggest, richest, and most arrogant school in the conference. That we had a manor-born sense of superiority and looked down our noses academically at everyone else besides Rice. Their hatred arose out of a sense of envy for what we had, separate and apart from our football program. Again, Rice and probably SMU excepted. 
 

Alabama’s relationship with the rest of the SEC has always been different because football is really the only thing over which they could claim superiority as to the other schools and their fan bases. The original 10 teams were like brothers from the same family, with only Vanderbilt being set apart as a truly distinguished academic institution, but their football program was so terrible as to make them irrelevant. The other schools had heated rivalries with one another, but there was never the inferiority complex with Alabama as a school or fan base that a Baylor or Iowa State had with us. Auburn and Tennessee, it’s traditional rivals, never thought of Bama as anything like “T-Sippers.” Each fan base though the other were trailer trash, hillbillies, rednecks, jort-wearing crackers, coon-asses, etc. And when it came to the national stage, there was enough vestigial collective “Southern Pride” such that Alabama was considered the standard bearer for the SEC’s football excellence and cheered on by its rivals when one of Bear Bryant’s teams would go play a Northern power like Notre Dame or Penn Stste. I don’t think we ever enjoyed that kind of support from a Tech or Baylor when one of Royal’s or Akers’ teams was in national title contention. 

On 7/26/2025 at 9:44 AM, TwiceHorn said:

Point of order, the Nightmare at 20,000 Feet was originally done in the series with William Shatner in 1963.

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The other good Shatner Twilight Zone episode is an underrated one. “Nick of Time” is a subtle little story about a young couple stuck in a small town with car trouble that get pulled in by a fortune telling machine in a local diner. It’s a Richard Matheson script about free will and the perils of superstition and is sneakily very dark. Not the kind of episode to leave a big impression as a kid like the gremlin on the wing, but more interesting as an adult. 
 

“The Howling Man” is another one of my favorites. A man traveling in Europe gets taken in at a monastery where the monks think they are holding the Devil captive. It’s a Charles Beaumont story, anything by him is usually good. He also wrote the Talky Tina episode (“Living Doll”) with Telly Savalas. 

19 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Excuse you, sir? "I Heard a Rumor" demands some respect. 

It’s probably the avatar, but I always figured you for a “Robert DeNiro’s Waiting” kind of guy. 

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49 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

 

Alabama’s relationship with the rest of the SEC has always been different because football is really the only thing over which they could claim superiority as to the other schools and their fan bases. The original 10 teams were like brothers from the same family, with only Vanderbilt being set apart as a truly distinguished academic institution, but their football program was so terrible as to make them irrelevant. The other schools had heated rivalries with one another, but there was never the inferiority complex with Alabama as a school or fan base that a Baylor or Iowa State had with us. Auburn and Tennessee, it’s traditional rivals, never thought of Bama as anything like “T-Sippers.” Each fan base though the other were trailer trash, hillbillies, rednecks, jort-wearing crackers, coon-asses, etc. And when it came to the national stage, there was enough vestigial collective “Southern Pride” such that Alabama was considered the standard bearer for the SEC’s football excellence and cheered on by its rivals when one of Bear Bryant’s teams would go play a Northern power like Notre Dame or Penn Stste. I don’t think we ever enjoyed that kind of support from a Tech or Baylor when one of Royal’s or Akers’ teams was in national title contention. 

 

100% true.  That was always perplexing to me when I lived in Knoxville.  That is, Vol fans claiming that every other fanbase was/were hillbillies.  Hell, their own fight song is about living in the hills and making moonshine.

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1 hour ago, Duane Moore said:

As someone with Tennessee fans in my family and who has followed SEC football for 40 years, it’s my observation that Alabama has been traditionally regarded differently by its rivals than we have by ours.  We have long been considered the school in the SWC and Big12 that was the biggest, richest, and most arrogant school in the conference. That we had a manor-born sense of superiority and looked down our noses academically at everyone else besides Rice. Their hatred arose out of a sense of envy for what we had, separate and apart from our football program. Again, Rice and probably SMU excepted. 
 

Alabama’s relationship with the rest of the SEC has always been different because football is really the only thing over which they could claim superiority as to the other schools and their fan bases. The original 10 teams were like brothers from the same family, with only Vanderbilt being set apart as a truly distinguished academic institution, but their football program was so terrible as to make them irrelevant. The other schools had heated rivalries with one another, but there was never the inferiority complex with Alabama as a school or fan base that a Baylor or Iowa State had with us. Auburn and Tennessee, it’s traditional rivals, never thought of Bama as anything like “T-Sippers.” Each fan base though the other were trailer trash, hillbillies, rednecks, jort-wearing crackers, coon-asses, etc. And when it came to the national stage, there was enough vestigial collective “Southern Pride” such that Alabama was considered the standard bearer for the SEC’s football excellence and cheered on by its rivals when one of Bear Bryant’s teams would go play a Northern power like Notre Dame or Penn Stste. I don’t think we ever enjoyed that kind of support from a Tech or Baylor when one of Royal’s or Akers’ teams was in national title contention. 

That's a great post.

I feel like I was being more specific, in terms of Alabama already has a bunch of schools that consider them a rival. I mean, Georgia does, too, but more fan bases get even more pumped up about the Alabama game than fan bases getting pumped up for the Georgia game. A huge part of it is their success, but also the feeling of entitlement they have around their success. Alabama fans consider it a birthright that the Crimson Tide is excellent in football in a way that the rest of the SEC hopes and aspires to be excellent in football. 

But everything else you said there is pertinent and right on. If I could describe the UT culture in one word it's arrogance, and that arrogance seeps into the soul simply by association. It's not about football. It's about everything. We simply think we're better than you regardless of the context, or the factual evidence. Shockingly, that tends to rub people the wrong way. Who woulda figured?

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13 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

I feel like I was being more specific, in terms of Alabama already has a bunch of schools that consider them a rival. I mean, Georgia does, too, but more fan bases get even more pumped up about the Alabama game than fan bases getting pumped up for the Georgia game.

Gotcha. That’s very true. Alabama is the measuring stick program for SEC teams because of their history of success. Even in the Bill Curry or Mike Shula years, beating them was a highlight of the season for most schools. 

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52 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

100% true.  That was always perplexing to me when I lived in Knoxville.  That is, Vol fans claiming that every other fanbase was/were hillbillies.  Hell, their own fight song is about living in the hills and making moonshine.

Maybe 3 SEC programs can call others in the conference hillbillies - Florida, Texas, Vanderbilt. And Florida has their own Floridaman version to contend with, so they should probably be quiet.

And there’s very much different flavors of hillbilly in the SEC - the coonass ones are way different than the arky type of hillbillies. Or the Clem aggy type. 

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4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Maybe 3 SEC programs can call others in the conference hillbillies - Florida, Texas, Vanderbilt. And Florida has their own Floridaman version to contend with, so they should probably be quiet.

And there’s very much different flavors of hillbilly in the SEC - the coonass ones are way different than the arky type of hillbillies. Or the Clem aggy type. 

Hillbillies and rednecks are different beasts and I feel that's getting lost here. Vol fans trend very hillbilly. Auburn or Miss State fans are pure redneck.

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2 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Hillbillies and rednecks are different beasts and I feel that's getting lost here. Vol fans trend very hillbilly. Auburn or Miss State fans are pure redneck.

Hillbilly, coonass, redneck, Appalachian hill people, Floridaman - all just different flavor of freaks. 

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37 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

We simply know we're better than you regardless of the context because of the factual evidence.

FIFY, we are both objectively and subjectively better than those mouth breathers.

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15 hours ago, closetojumping said:

One strategy I think we’ll see get deployed by strategic families is to avoid risky situations even if they’re a recruit’s favorite choice and send them somewhere stable. If that risky situation clears up, try to transfer if you want. Seems obvious, but that couldn’t be done in the past and I’m not sure how many people it’s occurred to yet, but it’s only going to further cloud roster talent and depth going forward. 

A career in NIL contracts or family assistance seems like the move. I am sure there are plenty 3 star families that need help sorting through the madness. 

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14 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

Take it one step farther and you may see recruits encouraged to commit to lower tier schools to finish “baking” and then transfer to the big school later. Nothing stopping an OSU collective paying for the NIL rights for a kid who goes to Toledo for a couple of years. 

Feeder programs, basically 


*Further 

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3 hours ago, TheBryMan81 said:

If I was a G5 program, this would exactly be my sell. Talented enough to play as a freshman but big schools have talented rosters? Come to our G5 program, play right away, get a little NIL, put some film up, and transfer to a P5 school if you get good offers. Do that enough, and sell yourself as a development program, win some conference championships, maybe a few bowl games, and maybe give yourself a chance at the G5 playoff spot.

If they're not good enough for big P5 schools, then they stick around until they're seniors and grow enough to be good G5 players.

That was the exact sell ULM used for Ahmad Hardy and it worked for everyone involved: https://mutigers.com/sports/football/roster/ahmad-hardy/28684

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1 hour ago, satyanash said:

*manner-born

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Interesting. I clearly did not know that, and misused it in this context. I had always thought it was a synonym for higher birth status and so assumed it was spelled the other way. You have taught me something today. 

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2 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Gotcha. That’s very true. Alabama is the measuring stick program for SEC teams because of their history of success. Even in the Bill Curry or Mike Shula years, beating them was a highlight of the season for most schools. 

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6 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


*Further 

You missed the softball.

closetojumping: "Farther" relates to distance, "further" is a definition of degree. You should have said "further".

Park Gothic: Are you challenging me, Mr. CTJ?

closetojumping: Not any more than you challenged Coleridge.

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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

It's a fucking yokel/hillbilly sounding song. I was surprised when I finally heard it. 

Especially when you hear "Reber" (the way they pronounce Reba McEntire's first name) sing it.  Lulz.

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37 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

Interesting. I clearly did not know that, and misused it in this context. I had always thought it was a synonym for higher birth status and so assumed it was spelled the other way. You have taught me something today. 

You're being a real trouper about this.  A lot of people have a deep-seated resistance to accept they're using wrong terms in idioms.

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1 hour ago, Newy25 said:


*Further 

 

13 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You missed the softball.

closetojumping: "Farther" relates to distance, "further" is a definition of degree. You should have said "further".

Park Gothic: Are you challenging me, Mr. CTJ?

closetojumping: Not any more than you challenged Coleridge.

Listen you fucking pedants and movie snobs, I said "farther" because I referred to taking steps. These steps were metaphorical, rather than physical, so further could have also been correct, but both are acceptable uses. That "rule" didn't even become a rule until the 1980's and before that the terms were used almost interchangeably.

The purpose of that scene in Finding Forrester is to illustrate that the teacher is a pedant who had clearly misunderestimated the titular character, and I don't think Van Sant was being overly prescriptive about how those terms should be used. It's like merlot sales plummeting because of a throwaway line in Sideways. Giamatti's character didn't want to drink merlot because his ex wife drank merlot, not because merlot is low brow or something. But everyone who likes wine saw that movie and took it as a signal that merlot was for pleebs and stopped drinking it. Great, more for me. 

I bet you assholes correct people when they say "octopuses" too. 

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3 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

 

Listen you fucking pedants and movie snobs, I said "farther" because I referred to taking steps. These steps were metaphorical, rather than physical, so further could have also been correct, but both are acceptable uses. That "rule" didn't even become a rule until the 1980's and before that the terms were used almost interchangeably.

The purpose of that scene in Finding Forrester is to illustrate that the teacher is a pedant who had clearly misunderestimated the titular character, and I don't think Van Sant was being overly prescriptive about how those terms should be used. It's like merlot sales plummeting because of a throwaway line in Sideways. Giamatti's character didn't want to drink merlot because his ex wife drank merlot, not because merlot is low brow or something. But everyone who likes wine saw that movie and took it as a signal that merlot was for pleebs and stopped drinking it. Great, more for me. 

I bet you assholes correct people when they say "octopuses" too. 

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First off, Merlot is absolutely fucking trash. So is Chardonnay. 

Second, who the FUCK says Octopuses? It's fucking octopi. Anyone saying Octopuses should be corrected and violently mocked. 

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5 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

 

Listen you fucking pedants and movie snobs, I said "farther" because I referred to taking steps. These steps were metaphorical, rather than physical, so further could have also been correct, but both are acceptable uses. That "rule" didn't even become a rule until the 1980's and before that the terms were used almost interchangeably.

The purpose of that scene in Finding Forrester is to illustrate that the teacher is a pedant who had clearly misunderestimated the titular character, and I don't think Van Sant was being overly prescriptive about how those terms should be used. It's like merlot sales plummeting because of a throwaway line in Sideways. Giamatti's character didn't want to drink merlot because his ex wife drank merlot, not because merlot is low brow or something. But everyone who likes wine saw that movie and took it as a signal that merlot was for pleebs and stopped drinking it. Great, more for me. 

I bet you assholes correct people when they say "octopuses" too. 

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Very similar to the way Bugs Bunny called Elmer Fudd a real Nimrod (referring to the legendary hunter) and we all context clued out the sarcasm and assumed it meant "moron".  To this day most people think a Nimrod is a moron.

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2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Octopuses is correct. You don’t use a Latin plural for a Greek root word. 

 

5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

First off, Merlot is absolutely fucking trash. So is Chardonnay. 

Second, who the FUCK says Octopuses? It's fucking octopi. Anyone saying Octopuses should be corrected and violently mocked. 

From Miriam Webster:

What to Know

The three plurals for octopus come from the different ways the English language adopts plurals. Octopi is the oldest plural of octopus, coming from the belief that words of Latin origin should have Latin endings. Octopuses was the next plural, giving the word an English ending to match its adoption as an English word. Lastly, octopodes stemmed from the belief that because octopus is originally Greek, it should have a Greek ending.

 

I'm very much enjoying the pedantic language discussion! 

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7 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I was like 7 when Octopussy came out and my dad took me and my brothers to see it. I remember, even at that age, what to see the pussy. Very disappointing. 

We’re about the same age. I remember thinking that I definitely wanted to see this “octopussy” movie, but I didn’t want to see it with my parents. Unfortunately, I was 7, so what are you gonna do.

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2 minutes ago, Felix said:

 

From Miriam Webster:

What to Know

The three plurals for octopus come from the different ways the English language adopts plurals. Octopi is the oldest plural of octopus, coming from the belief that words of Latin origin should have Latin endings. Octopuses was the next plural, giving the word an English ending to match its adoption as an English word. Lastly, octopodes stemmed from the belief that because octopus is originally Greek, it should have a Greek ending.

 

I'm very much enjoying the pedantic language discussion! 

Merriam-Webster*

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Gotta love the movies your parents let you watch back in the day.  I remember watching Robo Cop when I was like 8 and the gore almost made me sick to my stomach.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

You missed the softball.

closetojumping: "Farther" relates to distance, "further" is a definition of degree. You should have said "further".

Park Gothic: Are you challenging me, Mr. CTJ?

closetojumping: Not any more than you challenged Coleridge.

 

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6 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Gotta love the movies your parents let you watch back in the day.  I remember watching Robo Cop when I was like 8 and the gore almost made me sick to my stomach.

I went and saw Carrie when I was 8 and was scarred for years.  However, I saw My Bloody Valentine when I was 12 and thought it was ridiculous.  I miss being able to actually sneak into movies. 

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