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I know that Idaho has the State Victims Rights Act which requires the state to consult with the victims’ families for such a deal. I guess we will see at the change of plea hearing on Wednesday. I would at the very least they would be able to face him and make victim impact statements to him. Who knows? I would prefer for the sake of the victims that he make a complete confession but I don’t want to ever speak for them. If it’s my child I’d want to know why. But that’s me. And I do realize that with a whack job like him who is likely a psychotic sexual sadist we will never truly know WHY even if he tries to explain it. He serves no purpose other than target practice in my view and I wrestle with those thoughts bc I pretty much don’t like the DP but if ever there was a case that fits it’s this. 

We have similar victims rights laws in Texas. The key operative language is “consult with”. And so tbh our reading the Idaho statute, I would presume that victim’s families do also have an absolute right to make impact statements after entered has been pronounced.
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8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I'm not saying he didn't do it. He's not admitted anything yet. The tentative plan is for him to admit for the plea deal. If you're going to kill him either way, then why would he plead?

If the knife can be found and he can lead them to it and it still has DNA on it I might “accidentally” kill him on the way back to jail, oops my taser I mean my gun went off oops my bad. Right thru the heart too. Damn. 

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15 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I'm not saying he didn't do it. He's not admitted anything yet. The tentative plan is for him to admit for the plea deal. If you're going to kill him either way, then why would he plead?

Maybe he likes bufunga

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2 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

the BK defenders are super quiet on X. 

I haven’t followed the case and only read posts from the recent update.  but he has defenders?

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Why do these type of killers pussy out when the DP is in the table? I mean you he casually killed four people brutally and he’s scared of getting put down? Why? Maybe sitting on his ass in prison seems like a good trade? 

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24 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Also:  The costs for all the lawyers and their staffs for both the prosecution and defense.  There would still be ton of costs being paid by the county/state during both the trial and all the damn appeals that would go along for years if this moved forward as a  death penalty case.   

I really think a big part of this plea deal is also to save money...  

Every plea bargain saves money.  No mistake about that.  And frees up resources for other things.

And yeah, among its other problems, death penalty cases are massively expensive and resource-intensive.

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8 minutes ago, futureman said:

I haven’t followed the case and only read posts from the recent update.  but he has defenders?

Yes. And some are saying he still did not do this. But we shall all see at the change of plea hearing on Wednesday. This hearing might be a huge clusterfuck if some of the parents are super pissed. Steve Gonclaves was on News Nation tonite urging people who know the Judge to persuade the Judge not to accept the plea deal. Brian Entin (who I follow for many cases bc he’s simply superb and he never sleeps I guess) has been amazing on this story. His thoughts are below and I don’t disagree.  The gonclaves family has felt from day one the victims families were treated as adversaries by the state. They put out a rather lengthy statement which can be found on Brian Entin’s page. It’s really pretty shitty but I think Brian is spot on here. 
 

 

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13 minutes ago, futureman said:

I haven’t followed the case and only read posts from the recent update.  but he has defenders?

I mean it’s pretty stupid.  Dateline said no DNA evidence was found in his car which would introduce substantial doubt into the case of him being the killer.  They presented so much more odd stuff about this guy though that I think he’s one mentally twisted individual.  He would go on hikes in the middle of the night in the woods by himself.  I mean what was he doing, meeting with Satan and Son of Sam’s followers.  He also broke into his fellow grad students apartment and took random things apparently more than once.  They have his car on the security camera multiple times and his cell phone pings.  Seems pretty clear to me.  He did it.

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6 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

I mean it’s pretty stupid.  Dateline said no DNA evidence was found in his car which would introduce substantial doubt into the case of him being the killer.  They presented so much more odd stuff about this guy though that I think he’s one mentally twisted individual.  He would go on hikes in the middle of the night in the woods by himself.  I mean what was he doing, meeting with Satan and Son of Sam’s followers.  He also broke into his fellow grad students apartment and took random things apparently more than once.  They have his car on the security camera multiple times and his cell phone pings.  Seems pretty clear to me.  He did it.

Some people think the DA’s office leaked that shit to Dateline for the new special they did a month ago. Add to that last week the defense in an hearing offered up four individuals as alternate suspects. In Idaho the defense must do this pretrial. I’m actually cool with that,

 

The Judge said no. That all four people had been cleared via DNA so the writing was on the wall that the defense was strapped into the rollercoaster 🎢 and no off-ramp. The state was more than thrilled to take this plea but I do wonder what the Judge will think of how they “consulted” with the family members on this case and if it meets the terms of the Victims Rights Act.
 

The Judge was pretty pissed about the Dateline leaks. I mean Dateline even had never before seen camera views of his vehicle speeding away from the crime scene.

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So in short, the Judge would not allow the defense to present at trial any of their alternate suspects and the state never wanted to try the case anyway. So we get a plea which does save a lot of time and money. He will die in jail I guess and he has to admit guilt for all four murders. 

 

But damn I feel bad for the families. 

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I have no idea how I would act if one of my family members was a victim, but I’d like to think that I would not want to be put through the trauma of a trial. I would like to think that I would find peace knowing that this guy will never spend another day of his life as a free man. 

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6 minutes ago, royiv said:

I have no idea how I would act if one of my family members was a victim, but I’d like to think that I would not want to be put through the trauma of a trial. I would like to think that I would find peace knowing that this guy will never spend another day of his life as a free man. 

And, I think it's a tall order to resist the desire for vengeance, but I really think that trying to find some kind of solace or resolution to the death of a loved one though the "fate" or "disposition" of their murderer is probably a pretty futile endeavor.  It might serve as a distraction for a few years, but when it's over and done, you're still left with it.

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5 minutes ago, royiv said:

I have no idea how I would act if one of my family members was a victim, but I’d like to think that I would not want to be put through the trauma of a trial. I would like to think that I would find peace knowing that this guy will never spend another day of his life as a free man. 

I have no idea how I would act either. I would like to think the same but you have four sets of parents and all seem to want different things. At least two sets wanted a trial. And one set of parents definitely wanted the firing squad. At the end of the day, I was concerned more shenanigans by the defense attorney. And if the Judge approves and accepts the plea deal it’s over and he has to admit guilt. And maybe other things as well. And a lot of families don’t get that even with a conviction. So there is that.  It’s hard because for the past several months I been sparring with all these asshole Papa Roger types on X who believed he was framed and I just want to shove shit in their faces if he does admit guilt in all four killings. These people are like incels on steroids and I just want to crush them. I don’t even think him pleading guilty and writing a long statement of what he did and why and how and even producing a bloody knife he stowed away somewhere will ever shut them up. Ever. 

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On 3/7/2025 at 3:20 PM, Brisketexan said:

I mean....her pics look pretty normal.  She's actually plenty cute enough, nice figure.  Objectively, a woman who should have no trouble securing a dude who is NOT a murdering psycho.  

Yet, that's exactly what she goes for, citing all kinds of bizarre shit.  Dear lord, can you imagine how batshit crazy she actually is?

This is expert level shit......  @bolverk level, even. Not for the timid. 

 

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Easy call for the State. Circus trial and you still run a negligible risk that you draw one batshit insane juror who thinks he’s innocent?  Pass. 

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Guess it depends on the jurisdiction, but federal pleas, for example, require a factual "resume" or statement in support of the plea.  They can get fairly detailed and can be the subject of considerable negotiation, at least in part because certain fact findings can affect sentencing, etc.

I don't know that any of them supply sufficient detail to satisfy crime nuts or victim's families.

And, if the plea is LWOP, or even life, versus death, I think the families start to lose standing to object.  Those are not objectively lenient sentences and I don't think victims/survivors should exert that level of influence over the sentence, nor should they be able to force the state to a trial.

Right. I guess there is something similar where I practice. Court requires defendant to stipulate to a factual basis for the plea, but there's never anything on the record describing the conduct.

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Why do these type of killers pussy out when the DP is in the table? I mean you he casually killed four people brutally and he’s scared of getting put down? Why? Maybe sitting on his ass in prison seems like a good trade? 

It is kinda interesting. My instinct says I'd much rather die than rot for 50 years, but I guess maybe that decision is a little different when you're actually facing death.

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