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I know that Idaho has the State Victims Rights Act which requires the state to consult with the victims’ families for such a deal. I guess we will see at the change of plea hearing on Wednesday. I would at the very least they would be able to face him and make victim impact statements to him. Who knows? I would prefer for the sake of the victims that he make a complete confession but I don’t want to ever speak for them. If it’s my child I’d want to know why. But that’s me. And I do realize that with a whack job like him who is likely a psychotic sexual sadist we will never truly know WHY even if he tries to explain it. He serves no purpose other than target practice in my view and I wrestle with those thoughts bc I pretty much don’t like the DP but if ever there was a case that fits it’s this. 

We have similar victims rights laws in Texas. The key operative language is “consult with”. And so tbh our reading the Idaho statute, I would presume that victim’s families do also have an absolute right to make impact statements after entered has been pronounced.
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8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I'm not saying he didn't do it. He's not admitted anything yet. The tentative plan is for him to admit for the plea deal. If you're going to kill him either way, then why would he plead?

If the knife can be found and he can lead them to it and it still has DNA on it I might “accidentally” kill him on the way back to jail, oops my taser I mean my gun went off oops my bad. Right thru the heart too. Damn. 

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15 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I'm not saying he didn't do it. He's not admitted anything yet. The tentative plan is for him to admit for the plea deal. If you're going to kill him either way, then why would he plead?

Maybe he likes bufunga

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2 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

the BK defenders are super quiet on X. 

I haven’t followed the case and only read posts from the recent update.  but he has defenders?

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Why do these type of killers pussy out when the DP is in the table? I mean you he casually killed four people brutally and he’s scared of getting put down? Why? Maybe sitting on his ass in prison seems like a good trade? 

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24 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Also:  The costs for all the lawyers and their staffs for both the prosecution and defense.  There would still be ton of costs being paid by the county/state during both the trial and all the damn appeals that would go along for years if this moved forward as a  death penalty case.   

I really think a big part of this plea deal is also to save money...  

Every plea bargain saves money.  No mistake about that.  And frees up resources for other things.

And yeah, among its other problems, death penalty cases are massively expensive and resource-intensive.

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8 minutes ago, futureman said:

I haven’t followed the case and only read posts from the recent update.  but he has defenders?

Yes. And some are saying he still did not do this. But we shall all see at the change of plea hearing on Wednesday. This hearing might be a huge clusterfuck if some of the parents are super pissed. Steve Gonclaves was on News Nation tonite urging people who know the Judge to persuade the Judge not to accept the plea deal. Brian Entin (who I follow for many cases bc he’s simply superb and he never sleeps I guess) has been amazing on this story. His thoughts are below and I don’t disagree.  The gonclaves family has felt from day one the victims families were treated as adversaries by the state. They put out a rather lengthy statement which can be found on Brian Entin’s page. It’s really pretty shitty but I think Brian is spot on here. 
 

 

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13 minutes ago, futureman said:

I haven’t followed the case and only read posts from the recent update.  but he has defenders?

I mean it’s pretty stupid.  Dateline said no DNA evidence was found in his car which would introduce substantial doubt into the case of him being the killer.  They presented so much more odd stuff about this guy though that I think he’s one mentally twisted individual.  He would go on hikes in the middle of the night in the woods by himself.  I mean what was he doing, meeting with Satan and Son of Sam’s followers.  He also broke into his fellow grad students apartment and took random things apparently more than once.  They have his car on the security camera multiple times and his cell phone pings.  Seems pretty clear to me.  He did it.

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6 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

I mean it’s pretty stupid.  Dateline said no DNA evidence was found in his car which would introduce substantial doubt into the case of him being the killer.  They presented so much more odd stuff about this guy though that I think he’s one mentally twisted individual.  He would go on hikes in the middle of the night in the woods by himself.  I mean what was he doing, meeting with Satan and Son of Sam’s followers.  He also broke into his fellow grad students apartment and took random things apparently more than once.  They have his car on the security camera multiple times and his cell phone pings.  Seems pretty clear to me.  He did it.

Some people think the DA’s office leaked that shit to Dateline for the new special they did a month ago. Add to that last week the defense in an hearing offered up four individuals as alternate suspects. In Idaho the defense must do this pretrial. I’m actually cool with that,

 

The Judge said no. That all four people had been cleared via DNA so the writing was on the wall that the defense was strapped into the rollercoaster 🎢 and no off-ramp. The state was more than thrilled to take this plea but I do wonder what the Judge will think of how they “consulted” with the family members on this case and if it meets the terms of the Victims Rights Act.
 

The Judge was pretty pissed about the Dateline leaks. I mean Dateline even had never before seen camera views of his vehicle speeding away from the crime scene.

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So in short, the Judge would not allow the defense to present at trial any of their alternate suspects and the state never wanted to try the case anyway. So we get a plea which does save a lot of time and money. He will die in jail I guess and he has to admit guilt for all four murders. 

 

But damn I feel bad for the families. 

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I have no idea how I would act if one of my family members was a victim, but I’d like to think that I would not want to be put through the trauma of a trial. I would like to think that I would find peace knowing that this guy will never spend another day of his life as a free man. 

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6 minutes ago, royiv said:

I have no idea how I would act if one of my family members was a victim, but I’d like to think that I would not want to be put through the trauma of a trial. I would like to think that I would find peace knowing that this guy will never spend another day of his life as a free man. 

And, I think it's a tall order to resist the desire for vengeance, but I really think that trying to find some kind of solace or resolution to the death of a loved one though the "fate" or "disposition" of their murderer is probably a pretty futile endeavor.  It might serve as a distraction for a few years, but when it's over and done, you're still left with it.

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5 minutes ago, royiv said:

I have no idea how I would act if one of my family members was a victim, but I’d like to think that I would not want to be put through the trauma of a trial. I would like to think that I would find peace knowing that this guy will never spend another day of his life as a free man. 

I have no idea how I would act either. I would like to think the same but you have four sets of parents and all seem to want different things. At least two sets wanted a trial. And one set of parents definitely wanted the firing squad. At the end of the day, I was concerned more shenanigans by the defense attorney. And if the Judge approves and accepts the plea deal it’s over and he has to admit guilt. And maybe other things as well. And a lot of families don’t get that even with a conviction. So there is that.  It’s hard because for the past several months I been sparring with all these asshole Papa Roger types on X who believed he was framed and I just want to shove shit in their faces if he does admit guilt in all four killings. These people are like incels on steroids and I just want to crush them. I don’t even think him pleading guilty and writing a long statement of what he did and why and how and even producing a bloody knife he stowed away somewhere will ever shut them up. Ever. 

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On 3/7/2025 at 3:20 PM, Brisketexan said:

I mean....her pics look pretty normal.  She's actually plenty cute enough, nice figure.  Objectively, a woman who should have no trouble securing a dude who is NOT a murdering psycho.  

Yet, that's exactly what she goes for, citing all kinds of bizarre shit.  Dear lord, can you imagine how batshit crazy she actually is?

This is expert level shit......  @bolverk level, even. Not for the timid. 

 

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Easy call for the State. Circus trial and you still run a negligible risk that you draw one batshit insane juror who thinks he’s innocent?  Pass. 

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Guess it depends on the jurisdiction, but federal pleas, for example, require a factual "resume" or statement in support of the plea.  They can get fairly detailed and can be the subject of considerable negotiation, at least in part because certain fact findings can affect sentencing, etc.

I don't know that any of them supply sufficient detail to satisfy crime nuts or victim's families.

And, if the plea is LWOP, or even life, versus death, I think the families start to lose standing to object.  Those are not objectively lenient sentences and I don't think victims/survivors should exert that level of influence over the sentence, nor should they be able to force the state to a trial.

Right. I guess there is something similar where I practice. Court requires defendant to stipulate to a factual basis for the plea, but there's never anything on the record describing the conduct.

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Why do these type of killers pussy out when the DP is in the table? I mean you he casually killed four people brutally and he’s scared of getting put down? Why? Maybe sitting on his ass in prison seems like a good trade? 

It is kinda interesting. My instinct says I'd much rather die than rot for 50 years, but I guess maybe that decision is a little different when you're actually facing death.

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9 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

If the knife can be found and he can lead them to it and it still has DNA on it I might “accidentally” kill him on the way back to jail, oops my taser I mean my gun went off oops my bad. Right thru the heart too. Damn. 

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I don’t normally but I watched quite a bit of News Nation (Brian Entin’s station with Dan Abrams formerly of MSNBC) last night. They have done excellent coverage on this case.

1. The parents are indeed split with the Goncalves family being the most vocal and wanting both the trial and him to be executed. Xana’s family also wanted a trial. The two other sets of family members appear to be ok with this deal. All four sets of parents had basically been saving up money to live in Idaho for the trial. All four sets have felt that the state has been adversarial with them. They have all been under a gag order for almost the entirety of this case. The DA floated the idea of a plea at the end of a meeting with the parents on Friday. Then the next day they received an email with the plea deal and an attached letter with the DA writing he felt they would all be pleased with this as it would spare them the gruesome details of the trial and spare them years of appeals. He will never get out. 
 

2. it would have been impossible to please all four sets of parents, but he will plead guilty if the Judge accepts the deal, and admit to killing all four and waive his rights to any appeals and die in prison. Which given the uncertainty of appeals and any antics at trial is more than most family members in other cases get. 
 

3. If he pleads guilty to murdering all four he’s a fucking monster. No different from the fictional Michael Myers in Halloween. Many people believe that Maddie was the target. He had no idea that Kaylee was also in her room. Intended to sneak into the house and sexually assault and murder Maddie and it turned into a blood bath. I struggle with my feelings on the Death Penalty but do believe in it for cases like this one and at the very least his fear of being put down caused him to take this plea. 
 

like others have mentioned: the state tore down the house. This I felt like could be an appealable issue along with multiple challenges about the DNA genealogy site and his expectation of privacy on how they connected him to the knife sheath. The defense had already requested yet another delay in this case last week which was denied and I had every expectation the defense would try multiple shenanigans at trial to get a mistrial. And further push back the process. And it did feel as though the state just wants all this shit to go away. Their approach to this case has been almost reluctant like they didn’t want to be there. If you can’t get all gung ho about keeping a quadruple murderer who took a selfie right after the killings and was already on Amazon looking to replace his knife when can you? 
 

pretty much agree with most of what y’all have said. At the end of the day he will die in jail and have admitted guilt, I just feel he’s better suited to target practice as he will offer nothing in this life and imo cannot be rehabilitated. He’s just a place holder of a human being. 

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11 hours ago, royiv said:

I would like to think that I would find peace knowing that this guy will never spend another day of his life as a free man. 

I hear you. My hang-up is that he's going to grant a sit down to every single network, streaming platform and true crime podcaster that reaches out to him. You can tell from this guy's detached demeanor that he's going to speak at length about the minutiae with whomever wants to listen. 1 to 2 more generations of these four families are going to have to listen to this dipshit. His Dateline/48 Hours/2020 episodes will run in perpetuity on the MRDR!!! network. Books, podcasts out the ass...

A trial would be an absolute nightmare but at least I would know that at some point in my lifetime I might actually see the day when he wouldn't be able to bloviate anymore.

 

 

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13 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

I really think a big part of this plea deal is also to save money...  

it’s not like the DA has an unlimited amount of money to spend.   They have a budget, and spending it all on one case can wind up negatively affecting a larger number of cases that require expensive experts and testing.    

The last people who should be driving the bus are the relatives of the murdered victims.   It is understandable that all they want is vengeance, but we did away with an eye for an eye a long time ago.  

this is only my personal perspective, but I think society benefits more from psychiatrists being able to interview those type of people and find out what makes their broken brains tick then the temporary satisfaction of killing the monster who killed some innocent people.    Ted Bundy was finally starting to talk about “ the entity” that made him do the killings when he was executed.  The more you know about those people the better chance you have to catch them before they kill again.

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1 hour ago, smuggs said:

I hear you. My hang-up is that he's going to grant a sit down to every single network, streaming platform and true crime podcaster that reaches out to him. You can tell from this guy's detached demeanor that he's going to speak at length about the minutiae with whomever wants to listen. 1 to 2 more generations of these four families are going to have to listen to this dipshit. His Dateline/48 Hours/2020 episodes will run in perpetuity on the MRDR!!! network. Books, podcasts out the ass...

 

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46 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

it’s not like the DA has an unlimited amount of money to spend.   They have a budget, and spending it all on one case can wind up negatively affecting a larger number of cases that require expensive experts and testing.  

This is a very, very good and important point.

Gov't funded entities have limited resources (which are declining by the day -- DOGE, EVERYWHERE!).  Everyone wants the thing/project that touches on them done perfectly.  The street in front of MY house should be perfectly smooth!  Cool, the city has 1200 miles of streets to repair and maintain, and a budget to maintain.....50 linear miles a year.  So, each 50 miles can get touched - on average - once every 24 years.  Sure, some higher-traffic stretches will get more frequent work....meaning that lower traffic streets like residential streets get stretched out to a 30 year schedule.

DA's budgets are similar.  We want them to take care of ALL cases, and get those thugs off our streets.  But then we demand that they blow 70% of their budget on two "high profile" cases, leaving few resources to deal with the other 5,000 cases on the docket.

Decisions have to be made, resource allocation has to be considered.  Every public official I've ever talked to has said some version of "if you give me the money/budget, I will do exactly what you want - nothing would make me happier than repaving every street in town" (or words to that effect).

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55 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

it’s not like the DA has an unlimited amount of money to spend.   They have a budget, and spending it all on one case can wind up negatively affecting a larger number of cases that require expensive experts and testing.    

The last people who should be driving the bus are the relatives of the murdered victims.   It is understandable that all they want is vengeance, but we did away with an eye for an eye a long time ago.  

this is only my personal perspective, but I think society benefits more from psychiatrists being able to interview those type of people and find out what makes their broken brains tick then the temporary satisfaction of killing the monster who killed some innocent people.    Ted Bundy was finally starting to talk about “ the entity” that made him do the killings when he was executed.  The more you know about those people the better chance you have to catch them before they kill again.

Ted Bundy was only talking to try to delay being executed. He'd have never said a word, otherwise. It was his only bargaining chip. 

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12 hours ago, royiv said:

I have no idea how I would act if one of my family members was a victim, but I’d like to think that I would not want to be put through the trauma of a trial. I would like to think that I would find peace knowing that this guy will never spend another day of his life as a free man. 

 

12 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

And, I think it's a tall order to resist the desire for vengeance, but I really think that trying to find some kind of solace or resolution to the death of a loved one though the "fate" or "disposition" of their murderer is probably a pretty futile endeavor.  It might serve as a distraction for a few years, but when it's over and done, you're still left with it.

I agree with both of these statements, so I'm simply adding to this with no intention of being contrary. 

Setting aside the ethics of the death penalty in general, the notion that it is what's best for the survivors/families has been largely debunked. 

There's plenty of data out there that victims' loved ones, even those who support the death penalty and want it for the perpetrator, find no solace in it once it's done.   Most of the time, it merely drags the case out for years, or even decades, delaying any closure and extending the grieving process for an insanely long time.   I know I would likely want the death penalty were I ever in those shoes, and I completely understand the impulse. Still, I hope that I would be able to find a sliver of rationality about it in the moment and recognize that the death penalty is ultimately just further punishment for the surviving victims than it is anything else.  The main reason we have the death penalty at all is to satisfy the vengeance lust of the community at large.  We know it doesn't deter crime, it doesn't bring peace to the victims' families, and it doesn't serve the state's needs from a financial perspective or any other perspective.  Setting aside any moral/ethical discussion, there aren't any rational arguments for the death penalty that hold water. 

The nations in red on this map are the ones with an active death penalty.  We can draw some pretty obvious conclusions from it in terms of what factors drive the desire for the death penalty, both from the perspective of the state and its citizens.

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16 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important, groups: the police, who investigate crime; and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders

These are their stories.

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2 hours ago, Samson's Wig said:

 

I agree with both of these statements, so I'm simply adding to this with no intention of being contrary. 

Setting aside the ethics of the death penalty in general, the notion that it is what's best for the survivors/families has been largely debunked. 

There's plenty of data out there that victims' loved ones, even those who support the death penalty and want it for the perpetrator, find no solace in it once it's done.   Most of the time, it merely drags the case out for years, or even decades, delaying any closure and extending the grieving process for an insanely long time.   I know I would likely want the death penalty were I ever in those shoes, and I completely understand the impulse. Still, I hope that I would be able to find a sliver of rationality about it in the moment and recognize that the death penalty is ultimately just further punishment for the surviving victims than it is anything else.  The main reason we have the death penalty at all is to satisfy the vengeance lust of the community at large.  We know it doesn't deter crime, it doesn't bring peace to the victims' families, and it doesn't serve the state's needs from a financial perspective or any other perspective.  Setting aside any moral/ethical discussion, there aren't any rational arguments for the death penalty that hold water. 

The nations in red on this map are the ones with an active death penalty.  We can draw some pretty obvious conclusions from it in terms of what factors drive the desire for the death penalty, both from the perspective of the state and its citizens.

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4 hours ago, smuggs said:

My hang-up is that he's going to grant a sit down to every single network, streaming platform and true crime podcaster that reaches out to him. You can tell from this guy's detached demeanor that he's going to speak at length about the minutiae with whomever wants to listen. 1 to 2 more generations of these four families are going to have to listen to this dipshit. His Dateline/48 Hours/2020 episodes will run in perpetuity on the MRDR!!! network. Books, podcasts out the ass...

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what i have never understood is victims' families wanting to attend and actually watch an execution. no fucking thank you, there's no way that does anything to one's psyche other than inflict additional trauma. gross.

i hope they are all able to accept and receive some solace in this dude going away forever. he'll likely get shanked in prison anyway.

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15 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

I don’t even think him pleading guilty and writing a long statement of what he did and why and how and even producing a bloody knife he stowed away somewhere will ever shut them up. Ever. 

 

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16 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Every plea bargain saves money.  No mistake about that.  And frees up resources for other things.

And yeah, among its other problems, death penalty cases are massively expensive and resource-intensive.

And the expenses continue long after conviction due to understandable legal appeals. Which, I fully support, for the record. 

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