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Posted
19 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

While I generally agree with your point, the 2020 actual map with AZ, GA, and WI flipping is far from impossible.  Trump doesn’t need MI or PA.  He needs the rednecks to show out in AZ/GA and then get lucky* in WI.  It is probably unlikely, but anybody writing off Trump’s chances probably wasn’t paying much attention in 2016.

They are close, but looking at things like statewide races such as Congressional Senate seats or gubernatorial races going to the Dems, or the 2021/22/23 elections going against many of his endorsements or the GOP is a sign that something is going on in those states, that does not favor the GOP going forward, at least not in its current state.

If he wanted to truly flip those states, he would have needed to align himself with the RNC and share resources (money) with them, and he would have needed to have been campaigning heavily from 2021 up through now, in those states, at a very local level. He chose to spend most of his time at Mar-a-Lago instead.  We are talking going on week-long trips through those states every few months

I do think that if he had tried, he could have flipped at least three of the states he won in 2016 but lost in 2020, had he been willing to put the time in on the campaign trail.  Which three states...that's up for debate, but I think he could have come close to the votes needed.  Instead, he let those states go, and they moved farther left with elections in 2021/2022/2023.

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9 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

The bonehead managed to get elected once and has so far gotten away with an open attempt to overthrow the government. Do you feel as comfortable as you sound about the unlikelihood you describe?

Recall, I say he took the reins of something that was already there. If he drops the reins, someone else might just snatch them up. The GOP has lost control of their wicked toy.

You're largely agreeing with my usual position not that I expect anyone to be familiar with my full catalogue.

Yes, I am pretty confident, he's a fucking loser, he has been his entire life.  He got lucky once and he's managed to skate his entire life on bullshit.  He's a noose right now, of his own creation, and he won't skate on all this.  Part of me hopes he drops dead tomorrow, well just because.  The other part of me looks at the results of elections and says even though there is a danger, the reality if his name is at the top of their ticket the bigger our turn out will be.  For Democrats, winning elections is entirely about turn out.  Donald Trump has gotten more Democrat voters to turn out than perhaps any other man in history.  

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but all it takes is a recession by mid 2024 to bring trump 47 back into play.  the republican house is trying its best to make that happen.

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1 minute ago, BamaATL said:

Yes, I am pretty confident, he's a fucking loser, he has been his entire life.  He got lucky once and he's managed to skate his entire life on bullshit.  He's a noose right now, of his own creation, and he won't skate on all this.  Part of me hopes he drops dead tomorrow, well just because.  The other part of me looks at the results of elections and says even though there is a danger, the reality if his name is at the top of their ticket the bigger our turn out will be.  For Democrats, winning elections is entirely about turn out.  Donald Trump has gotten more Democrat voters to turn out than perhaps any other man in history.  

Counterpoint: right up until they seized power, the nazi leadership and Hitler were correctly viewed as a bunch of losers and dead-enders.  That view was correct.  As correct as your view of Trump and the "MAGA leadership" being losers and dead-enders.

Those losers and dead-enders successfully seized power, and presided over a regime that wrought unspeakable horror.

This thinking that losers and dead-enders can't possibly succeed is poison.  We have to be ever-vigilant, more relentless and cold-blooded than we ever wanted to be, and fight them and affirmatively destroy and ruin them, ALL OF THEM, at every turn.  RUIN THEM.  Make their lives a living hell.  Destroy their livelihood.  Prosecute them for every criminal act they commit (they'll commit plenty, because as mentioned, they're fucking dumbfucks).  Then...keep going.  Grind the pieces left to dust.  Piss on the dust till it runs down the gutter to the sea.  

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

They honored their vows in 2020, and the guy who replaced General Mark Milley is definitely not going to side with Trump.  The rank-and-file in 2023 is the same as the rank-and-file I was around in 1993 - they wanna get paid and get laid, and they want to do just enough to keep the NCOs and officers out of their hair.

And the senior officers are getting shit on by Tubberville and the other Republicans (who won't deal with Tubberville), and it's trickling down to the officers below them.

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Washington(CNN)The Army is now acknowledging that Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn, the brother of President Donald Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn, was in the room for one of the key January 6 phone calls in which DC government and US Capitol Police were asking for National Guard troops to quell the unfolding violence at the US Capitol.

The decision-making has come under scrutiny as city and Capitol Police officials have alleged that the Pentagon was slow to respond, while the Pentagon and Army maintain they never denied or delayed requests for the National Guard.

Trump has learned not to put the Kelley and Miley types anywhere around him. He will cherry pick the Flynn types if he gets in.

 

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Counterpoint: right up until they seized power, the nazi leadership and Hitler were correctly viewed as a bunch of losers and dead-enders.  That view was correct.  As correct as your view of Trump and the "MAGA leadership" being losers and dead-enders.

Those losers and dead-enders successfully seized power, and presided over a regime that wrought unspeakable horror.

This thinking that losers and dead-enders can't possibly succeed is poison.  We have to be ever-vigilant, more relentless and cold-blooded than we ever wanted to be, and fight them and affirmatively destroy and ruin them, ALL OF THEM, at every turn.  RUIN THEM.  Make their lives a living hell.  Destroy their livelihood.  Prosecute them for every criminal act they commit (they'll commit plenty, because as mentioned, they're fucking dumbfucks).  Then...keep going.  Grind the pieces left to dust.  Piss on the dust till it runs down the gutter to the sea.  

Oh we absolutely have to remain vigilant, but I would think that among this group of people that isn't in question.  I will say this, I go out of my way to avoid doing business with Pro Trumpers, it's the best way I can hurt them, I hope all of you do as well.  I'm not talking about people that quietly maintain their beliefs, I don't do that kind of research, but I'm talking about a painter that turned their business vehicles into Trump billboards, that sort of stuff.  Obviously, I vote, and I am volunteering to do ride service next year for voters.  I also go out of my way to encourage young people to register to vote.  

Vote

Vote with your wallet or purse

Encourage people to vote, especially young people.

 

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19 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Let's say he does lose.  My question is, will the Rs ever pivot away from him/MAGA?  I don't think they can.  I think they continue their attempts to undermine democracy until at least he dies, but probably much longer.  And I fear people will become complacent and they will eventually succeed.

If they lose big in 2024--Presidency, House, Senate--I don't see how they can continue this shit. Above all else, they're all self-preserving cockroaches. They latched on to MAGA because they helped them win elections. They and Trump have no use if they can't win.

Texas and the south may be lost for generations to this shit, but it don't see how any Republican from a purplish state can continue on this course.

But only IF they lose big in 2024.

Posted
14 minutes ago, elfenix said:

but all it takes is a recession by mid 2024 to bring trump 47 back into play.  the republican house is trying its best to make that happen.

My biggest fear.

Posted
2 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

My biggest fear.

The are about to fail miserably and look stupid for doing it.  They don't have the votes, nor the leverage to pull this off.  The other thing about Trump has managed to do is make more people astute and paying attention than ever before.  All of the Republican House narratives for this show down are so inane that their approval rating is in the teens.  They will punt.

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

In that context, talking about where Trump is campaigning and Electoral vote counts seem sort of trivial. 

Actually those two things are the most important things if he were going to try and steal the election in 2024.  With that said, it would arguably be far easier to simply flip three states that have the needed electoral votes, states that went for him in 2016 and that he lost by close margins in 2020 (as mentioned by @Snake Diggity above).

Just get on the road stating in 2021 for a few months out of the year in three states, criss-crossing them, keeping people energized, and keep repeating that every 6 months up through next summer.  But that's three years of work in a lot of places he didn't give a shit about or would want to hang out in, with a lot of time away from Mar-a-Lago, and that would drain his campaign coffers, so he didn't.  Oh, and he has to maintain all of the states he won in 2020 as well.

But here's the problem for him: If he wanted to steal the needed electoral votes, that's arguably harder than him simply flipping some states he won in 2016 but lost in 2020.  And it has to be those battleground states.  He's not going to steal the electoral votes from New York or California, it's got to be a state he at least won in 2016, where the margins are closest and fuckery pays off the most.

It's harder to steal for a few reasons:

  1. He's not in the White House, so everything hinges on having everybody in place in November of 2024. He can't campaign for folks who are running for office in 2024 to steal the election for him, they have to already be in office by 2024. He has to have helped elect the right people in 2020, in 2021, 2022, and 2023. Over 95% of his campaign time from early 2020 until now was probably spent on himself, so that ship has sailed.
  2. Tied to #1, he would have needed to identify a large number of people who would not only steal an election for him, but what offices they need to be in (local or state, legislative or executive or judicial).
  3. Tied to #1 and #2, he would have had to work with the RNC to get campaigns organized at the local and state levels to get those people elected prior to 2024, which also means he would have had to share resources (money and his time on the campaign trail) with the RNC and that he couldn't make it about him.  We know that's impossible. Also, his endorsements are clearly not an automatic win.
  4. He would have had to spend a big chunk of the hundreds of millions he raised solely for his PACs on those states/elections, and that ain't happening.
  5. He would have needed the judiciary at the local/state levels firmly in his back pocket, and the 60+ lawsuits he lost in those states, including his own appointees, shows he didn't.
  6. He would have needed a tight lock on not only the legislatures in those states, but also the statewide offices (Governor, AG, etc.) and that's not worked out for him, not in enough states with the needed electoral votes.
  7. Anybody who would be willing to cast fake electoral votes for him has now seen several people associated with such a thing either be indicted on felony charges or face indictment and they've also seen that Trump isn't covering anybody's legal costs out of his own funds (or his campaign's).

Again, it's far easier/simpler to just outright flip some battleground states back to Trump, but he hasn't even tried to do that.

 

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Actually those two things are the most important things if he were going to try and steal the election in 2024.  With that said, it would arguably be far easier to simply flip three states that have the needed electoral votes, states that went for him in 2016 and that he lost by close margins in 2020 (as mentioned by @Snake Diggity above).

Just get on the road stating in 2021 for a few months out of the year in three states, criss-crossing them, keeping people energized, and keep repeating that every 6 months up through next summer.  But that's three years of work in a lot of places he didn't give a shit about or would want to hang out in, with a lot of time away from Mar-a-Lago, and that would drain his campaign coffers, so he didn't.  Oh, and he has to maintain all of the states he won in 2020 as well.

But here's the problem for him: If he wanted to steal the needed electoral votes, that's arguably harder than him simply flipping some states he won in 2016 but lost in 2020.  And it has to be those battleground states.  He's not going to steal the electoral votes from New York or California, it's got to be a state he at least won in 2016, where the margins are closest and fuckery pays off the most.

It's harder to steal for a few reasons:

  1. He's not in the White House, so everything hinges on having everybody in place in November of 2024. He can't campaign for folks who are running for office in 2024 to steal the election for him, they have to already be in office by 2024. He has to have helped elect the right people in 2020, in 2021, 2022, and 2023. Over 95% of his campaign time from early 2020 until now was probably spent on himself, so that ship has sailed.
  2. Tied to #1, he would have needed to identify a large number of people who would not only steal an election for him, but what offices they need to be in (local or state, legislative or executive or judicial).
  3. Tied to #1 and #2, he would have had to work with the RNC to get campaigns organized at the local and state levels to get those people elected prior to 2024, which also means he would have had to share resources (money and his time on the campaign trail) with the RNC and that he couldn't make it about him.  We know that's impossible. Also, his endorsements are clearly not an automatic win.
  4. He would have had to spend a big chunk of the hundreds of millions he raised solely for his PACs on those states/elections, and that ain't happening.
  5. He would have needed the judiciary at the local/state levels firmly in his back pocket, and the 60+ lawsuits he lost in those states, including his own appointees, shows he didn't.
  6. He would have needed a tight lock on not only the legislatures in those states, but also the statewide offices (Governor, AG, etc.) and that's not worked out for him, not in enough states with the needed electoral votes.
  7. Anybody who would be willing to cast fake electoral votes for him has now seen several people associated with such a thing either be indicted on felony charges or face indictment and they've also seen that Trump isn't covering anybody's legal costs out of his own funds (or his campaign's).

Again, it's far easier/simpler to just outright flip some battleground states back to Trump, but he hasn't even tried to do that.

 

This is all good, just wanted to add one more thing.  Just about everyone he has endorsed in competitive races has lost.  Politics on the national level has a lot to do with riding coattails, and quite frankly, he doesn't have them.  

I'm glad many Republicans are either too stupid to see this or too scared to do anything about it.  

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That's quite a lot of "ALL IS WELL!!!!" when my local school board is banning books and the state lege thinks a 12yo is old enough to have a kid but is vulnerable to the depravations of a library. 

Atom, you need to stop maddogging on trumps electoral chances and wake up to the fact that it's far more pervasive and widespread than a single walking hemorrhoid. Steve fucking Banon has been just as damaging as trump and he's not elected. He just knows how to ride the lightning and direct right wing hate at his "other" groups. 

I know that """they'll get caught by the justice system""" but I'm worried it's going to be more Nuremberg than Jack Smith when it comes to actually fucking doling out punishment that sticks and withstands appeals to a subverted supreme court. 

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It was getting organized as a zealous response to FDR, but a series of Presidents ( Eisenhower, Nixon) kept them at bay.  Reagan adopted the movement full stop, and the fantasy thinking accelerated from there.

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

That's quite a lot of "ALL IS WELL!!!!" when my local school board is banning books and the state lege thinks a 12yo is old enough to have a kid but is vulnerable to the depravations of a library. 

Atom, you need to stop maddogging on trumps electoral chances and wake up to the fact that it's far more pervasive and widespread than a single walking hemorrhoid. Steve fucking Banon has been just as damaging as trump and he's not elected. He just knows how to ride the lightning and direct right wing hate at his "other" groups. 

I know that """they'll get caught by the justice system""" but I'm worried it's going to be more Nuremberg than Jack Smith when it comes to actually fucking doling out punishment that sticks and withstands appeals to a subverted supreme court. 

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Fair points.  I think of Nuremberg often these days.  My father was a robust student of it, also served in the Navy with the son of one of the prosecutors.  As proud as he was of his Swabian heritage, he wished the Nazis had suffered even more pain and humiliation than they did.  But we had a cold war to fight right after that.  He instilled one thing in me about those trials that were way beyond anything a 7 year old should be learning about (still love you, pops!).  He would often remark  that they all claimed one of the same three defenses, "We didn't know the scope of it/We were just following orders/It was the fog of war."  Nobody claimed that it never happened.  

A stark contrast is that while people all around his inner circle are flipping and cutting deals and begging for mercy.....Donald Trump isn't using as a defense that he was just trying to preserve electoral integrity, that he was acting to defend our Constitution, that he didn't know the scope of what his team was doing from coast to coast, or he was just doing what he thought best to usher the nation through a challenging pandemic and escalating tensions with enemies abroad.  What he still claims, and has doubled down on, is that 2020.........................never happened.  In this respect, he stands uniquely alone in history.  And that singular ability to believe that anything that didn't go his way didn't literally happen in the physical world in which we find ourselves will keep him alive.  He is not bound by the same rules the rest of us are in that our guilt and shame can eat us away from the inside.  He feeds on regret like we feed on Aggie tears.  

But with any luck, in a couple decades...we can rewrite history.  MAGA nation wasn't caught up in a fog of war for liberty, they weren't just marching on his orders to the Capitol, they didn't know the scope of their election tampering.  MAGA nation........................never happened.  It is a rumor.  A myth.  An agreed upon fairy tell doomsday preppers tell their inbred children.  If not, we can always get the trains running again...

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Just now, BevoAbyss said:

Nope. With all due respect. Not even close. 

MAGA-GQP fascism/theocracy has been building for decades. long before Trump arrived on the scene.

From Reagan-Falwell >>> to Perot-United We Stand >>> Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld war criminals >>> to Tea Party >>> MAGA-GQP. Republicans have moving into fascism/theocracy since Reagan era. That's a fact. 

And the fascism/theocracy will continue after Trump is gone. Count on it. 

I totally get what you're saying. They'll still be religious fundamentalist shit heads with or without Trump, but I don't think they'll be able to be as brazen about the conspiracies, misogyny, and outright hatred. Which, in turn, will bore MAGA. But if MAGA is poison in elections moving forward, what choice do they have?

In a strange way, I'm almost glad that Trump forced them all to wear their shitheelery on their sleeves.

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14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

That's quite a lot of "ALL IS WELL!!!!" when my local school board is banning books and the state lege thinks a 12yo is old enough to have a kid but is vulnerable to the depravations of a library. 

What's happening at the state level....well, these are states where Black people were being lynched up through the 50s and 60s (and into the 90s in Texas's case) so are you honestly surprised that said states are not paragons of tolerance?  They are doing everything they can to hold on to power, because the demographics are slowly but surely working against them.

Hell, our fucking state legislature tried to push a pseudo-ban on online porn through earlier this year.  We have legislators that want to prevent women from leaving the state for an abortion and prosecute them if they do.  Our state leadership and legislature is terrified that all those registered votes in Harris County might show up and vote one day and send them packing.  Nothing should surprise you about how shitty Texas is.

14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Atom, you need to stop maddogging on trumps electoral chances

If he can't get the votes, he doesn't get in office. 

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4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I totally get what you're saying. They'll still be religious fundamentalist shit heads with or without Trump, but I don't think they'll be able to be as brazen about the conspiracies, misogyny, and outright hatred. Which, in turn, will bore MAGA. But if MAGA is poison in elections moving forward, what choice do they have?

In a strange way, I'm almost glad that Trump forced them all to wear their shitheelery on their sleeves.

It's far better to have an enemy with a face than an insidious one.  

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2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

If he can't get the votes, he doesn't get in office. 

You don't need to hold office to lead a fascist movement. You simply need to continue to evade and dely and deny justice long enough to spark enough chaos to seize the moment. 

We are currently riding right down the middle of that track and heading towards a cliff. Every day we delay trumps accountability is another notch more dangerous 

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4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Mo Brooks disgraced himself for Donald Trump for a long time and probably deals with a lot of shame. @TahoeHorn knows him a little I think. I wonder if he talks about it…

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36 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

Nope. With all due respect. Not even close. 

MAGA-GQP fascism/theocracy has been building for decades, long before Trump arrived on the scene.

From Reagan-Falwell >>> to Perot-United We Stand >>> Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld war criminals >>> to Tea Party >>> Trump-MAGA-GQP. Republicans have been moving into fascism/theocracy since Reagan era. That's a fact. 

And the fascism/theocracy will continue after Trump is gone. Count on it. 

This.  And the comforting argument of "but the GQP can't win with MAGA!" suffers from this undeniable counter-point: The GQP can't win without MAGA.  They are all-in, there's no going back, there's no alternate path.

Either the GQP wins with and by MAGA, or they have to become a violent separatist movement (hint: the answer is "they're already both").  Treat the GQP and their candidates like violent terrorists who want to end America, because that's EXACTLY what they are.

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11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  And the comforting argument of "but the GQP can't win with MAGA!" suffers from this undeniable counter-point: The GQP can't win without MAGA.  They are all-in, there's no going back, there's no alternate path.

Either the GQP wins with and by MAGA, or they have to become a violent separatist movement (hint: the answer is "they're already both").  Treat the GQP and their candidates like violent terrorists who want to end America, because that's EXACTLY what they are.

Texas A&M was all in with Jimbo, until they weren't.  

 

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Last week of October 2024 is gonna by yuge.  You'll have Q3 financial numbers coming in, right before Election Day.  I think we'll be fine on Q4.  Q1 could be dicey, but a final tapering off of interest rates should help.  Q2 & Q3 consecutively could be trouble for the Biden administration.  But we won't officially know it until literally a week before Election Day.  But I doubt anybody is waiting until that GDP report to decide to register and vote.  But maybe it'll be just decent enough news that Trump dies. 

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14 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Then there’s this:

 

That's good. One of our good friends is from Phoenix. Up until last year, she was living in St Louis and working for a US Congresswoman representing that part of Missouri. Our friend left DC and moved back to Phoenix. She's pretty plugged in politically and thinks POTUS for 2024-2028 could be decided by Maricopa County. I haven't checked math or reached out to Steve Kornacki to confirm, though.

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42 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Either the GQP wins with and by MAGA, or they have to become a violent separatist movement (hint: the answer is "they're already both").  Treat the GQP and their candidates like violent terrorists who want to end America, because that's EXACTLY what they are.

I would add they are a violent separatist movement based on COMPLETE LIES.  They do not share the same reality as the rest of us.  Literally.  That's fucking dangerous.

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4 hours ago, Rimbo said:

There is a vast chasm between "Trump has a chance to win" and "Trump is going to be the next president" that you're pretending isn't there.

Besides, the Deep State will ensure his defeat.

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4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

You've got recency bias going on.  The man is not doing anything to actually win WI/MI/PA/GA/AZ/NV - his recent rallies have been mostly in "safe" areas that were going to go for him no matter what (South Carolina, Iowa, Florida, Texas), and it's clear from who he is targeting with said rallies, that he's just grifting to pay his legal expenses.  And his rallies, they're just him whining about how everything is unfair. He's not doing anything to inspire the masses in the states he needs to win back (and his profile is so much lower than it was in 2020, probably thanks to social media bans).

Speaking of legal expenses, and his legal issues, he's got four different trials going on, and yet the MAGA masses are not trying to shut them down in any way.  There aren't hundreds of them showing up to cheer him on.

It's like somebody saying they are going to win the lottery, but they aren't actually playing the lottery - Trump is losing ground steadily in WI/MI/PA alone (thanks abortion and batshit would-be school board officials!) and the GOP is losing power in those and other states. Hell, candidates that he's endorse are even losing races that one would think they should easily win.

 

It’s like saying you are going to win the lottery but only buying raffle tickets at the local Elks lodge 

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to everyone saying, the military will do the right thing, I can only say I was absolutely stunned at the large amount of current and former veterans participating in J6.  

On a more personal note, my ex brother-in-law was an artillery captain in the army (and a West Point grad)….and he is full down the QAnon warm hole -  believing every stupid MAGA thing. His kids have cut off most contact.  

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15 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

to everyone saying, the military will do the right thing, I can only say I was absolutely stunned at the large amount of current and former veterans participating in J6.  

Oh come on.  J6 had how many people participate -- 10,000?  How many were veterans -- 1,000?  2,000?  That's a drop in the bucket.

 

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On a more personal note, my ex brother-in-law was an artillery captain in the army (and a West Point grad)….and he is full down the QAnon warm hole -  believing every stupid MAGA thing. His kids have cut off most contact.  

Yes, there are MAGAts in the military.  However, research shows that brass is moving left and is likely better than 50/50 at this point, and the rank and file are probably no more than 40/60.  It's not a secret police force just waiting to be mobilized.

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5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Oh come on.  J6 had how many people participate -- 10,000?  How many were veterans -- 1,000?  2,000?  That's a drop in the bucket.

 

Yes, there are MAGAts in the military.  However, research shows that brass is moving left and is likely better than 50/50 at this point, and the rank and file are probably no more than 40/60.  It's not a secret police force just waiting to be mobilized.

I think that's right.  The real risk here is that we are going to see American Loyalist units of our military facing off against MAGA-commanded units of our military.  Flynn's brother's troops against actual loyal units following their oath.  Actually shooting at each other.

Our trip to becoming a shithole banana republic is on the express route.

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

You can settle after you've already been found liable?

He's only been find liable on one count. The hearings are for the others and for damages on the one count IIRC.

Not sure if he can negotiate damages on the count he's already lost. 

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1 hour ago, Satchel said:

Besides, the Deep State will ensure his defeat.

The greatest trick the Deep State ever pulled was convincing the World that they didn't exist.  

If they did, how is Donald Trump still alive let alone about to get the sole candidate for the 2024 GOP nomination, let alone about even with Biden in the EC projections? 

I confess, I used to believe in some version of a deep state, or shadow government.  Even met some folks I was partially convinced were a party to it.  Turns out I was just drunk and the shitheap you see in D.C. is really all there is.  Granted, it's backed by a reserve currency and really cool airplanes, but this is about what we're working with here. 

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10 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

The greatest trick the Deep State ever pulled was convincing the World that they didn't exist.  

If they did, how is Donald Trump still alive let alone about to get the sole candidate for the 2024 GOP nomination, let alone about even with Biden in the EC projections? 

I confess, I used to believe in some version of a deep state, or shadow government.  Even met some folks I was partially convinced were a party to it.  Turns out I was just drunk and the shitheap you see in D.C. is really all there is.  Granted, it's backed by a reserve currency and really cool airplanes, but this is about what we're working with here. 

I forget who said it (maybe the Pod Save America guys), but apparently we all think the US government is like the West Wing, when in reality, it's like Veep.

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

to everyone saying, the military will do the right thing, I can only say I was absolutely stunned at the large amount of current and former veterans participating in J6.

I was honestly expecting A LOT more.

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

You can settle after you've already been found liable?

in civil matters you can always settle.  before suit, during suit, after being found liable, exhausted appeals, judgment full, final, and collectible, etc.  the question is what can you promise in settlement and what will the other side accept.  you may settle after judgment (as a judgment holder) because finding and collecting upon assets may be difficult or costly, for example.

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Oh come on.  J6 had how many people participate -- 10,000?  How many were veterans -- 1,000?  2,000?  That's a drop in the bucket.

 

Yes, there are MAGAts in the military.  However, research shows that brass is moving left and is likely better than 50/50 at this point, and the rank and file are probably no more than 40/60.  It's not a secret police force just waiting to be mobilized.

Am I missing some sarcasm? I Googled and it appears that 7% of living Americans have served in the military so if you're telling me 10-20% of the Jan 6 attackers were veterans, that's something, right?

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Just now, C-Man said:

Am I missing some sarcasm? I Googled and it appears that 7% of living Americans have served in the military so if you're telling me 10-20% of the Jan 6 attackers were veterans, that's something, right?

I made up the number.  I'm just saying however many vets were in that crowd doesn't necessarily speak for the majority of veterans.  If your % is correct, that's 23M+ veterans living in America.  The entire J6 crowd was WAY less than a percent of that number.



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