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2 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

This thread has turned perverse and macbre with all the legitimate death wish talk. The fact that politicians rile people up in our society today so much, as a political laymen, that is scarier than any politician, policy or political outcome IMO.

Was it perverse to want Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, et al dead? 

We're just hoping the next wanna-be dictator doesn't get his shot so, yeah, I hope the motherfucker dies in the next minute.  This is way beyond politics, it's for the survival of the Republic. 

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7 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

This thread has turned perverse and macbre with all the legitimate death wish talk. The fact that politicians rile people up in our society today so much, as a political laymen, that is scarier than any politician, policy or political outcome IMO.

Could you guys imagine if there was a thread about how people wish every day that Kamala Harris wakes up dead, choked on a KFC chicken wing, and that they are legitimately just wishing her death? You people would be outraged.

 

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edit: damn got to be quick around here

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Posted
2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

You all seem to want something other than democracy to decide his fate.  if we reelect Trump, we all deserve to lose our country. Being the first president ever to sit in a criminal trial after holding office (while running in an election) is unheard of. I get you think it will not matter. So I say, again, if the criminal trial is not enough to defeat Trump in an election, then we had a nice run and we do not deserve nice things like a democracy.

Democracy already did that and he attempted a violent coup in response. He shouldn't get a second chance just because he's a rich asshole who certain people have decided is effectively above the law.

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22 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

This thread has turned perverse and macbre with all the legitimate death wish talk. The fact that politicians rile people up in our society today so much, as a political laymen, that is scarier than any politician, policy or political outcome IMO.

Could you guys imagine if there was a thread about how people wish every day that Kamala Harris wakes up dead, choked on a KFC chicken wing, and that they are legitimately just wishing her death? You people would be outraged.

I just want to make sure you're comfortable for this discussion.  It's not macabre.  I don't like Kamala Harris.  But I don't wish any harm upon her.  But I want to sit you down and tell that your false God is going to die and sooner than you'd like to think.  Now you seem like a smart cat, so you'll deal with it just fine.  But many of his team will refuse to accept his imminent death and freak the fuck out.  And you and I will be just fine from our perch of luxury.  But there is going to be mayhem out in the streets after his death later this year and I am going to ensure that they are confused.  That they think other RINO's fixed his fatality.  And I am going to smile as they murder one another.  The next Civil War won't take place across the Mason-Dixon Line.  We'll fix it so that MAGA thinks the Deep State RINO team visited his demise upon themselves.  I get to watch the worst of America murder itself.  It's coming.  And it's going to be fucking glorious.  

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31 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

This thread has turned perverse and macbre with all the legitimate death wish talk. The fact that politicians rile people up in our society today so much, as a political laymen, that is scarier than any politician, policy or political outcome IMO.

Could you guys imagine if there was a thread about how people wish every day that Kamala Harris wakes up dead, choked on a KFC chicken wing, and that they are legitimately just wishing her death? You people would be outraged.

Concern noted.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Equating Trump with Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini in a rational and sane society should be a joke.

Have you not been paying attention?

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1 minute ago, BeardIP said:

The way you are stating it is as if he activated the national standing army, failed in a coup, in order to continue to be President within the framework of the tradition of the American representative democracy? If so, okay, if I squint hard and tilt my head from far enough way, I can see it that way. For sake of argument I'll completely cede your point here.

In what universe does doing the above equate to holocausting 6mm Jews? Gulaging and killing 9mm people? 

Unless....wait a minute...Serious question: do you people actually believe that he DJT actually shot and killed the guy in the middle of 5th Ave. and didn't just use it as rhetoric? It's starting to make sense, if so...

 

DJT may as well have been the one to pull the trigger on Ashley Babbitt

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1 minute ago, BeardIP said:

The way you are stating it is as if he activated the national standing army, failed in a coup, in order to continue to be President within the framework of the tradition of the American representative democracy? If so, okay, if I squint hard and tilt my head from far enough way, I can see it that way. For sake of argument I'll completely cede your point here.

In what universe does doing the above equate to holocausting 6mm Jews? Gulaging and killing 9mm people? 

Unless....wait a minute...Serious question: do you people actually believe that he DJT actually shot and killed the guy in the middle of 5th Ave. and didn't just use it as rhetoric? It's starting to make sense, if so...

 

Was the Beer Hall Puscht not a coup in your mind, becuase no standing army was activated?

How about people see the obvious warning signs, and are upset to try and prevent things here from getting to the point where someone has the power to start killing swaths of people? Deporitng people en mass, pulling out of NATO, etc. All thigns that he has said he intends to do. 

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3 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

You are consistently late, behind and, ultimately, wrong. Despite your best efforts. I can't imagine the angst you must struggle with in life.

No, he was right. Posting a response does not mean you answered the question.

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Just now, BeardIP said:

So either you are comparing DJT to Hitler and Stalin BEFORE they were effectively Hitler and Stalin as history knows them--and certainly as message boards and Godwin's Law know them OR you are definitively stating and extrapolating that Trump is going to genocide millions of people should he gain power (again).

Either way, it actually hurts the argument and position against DJT (IMO) when the rhetoric is so divorced from reality. 

Hitler didn't start with the idea of killing 6 million Jews.  He started out demonizing them and shouting how they were poisoning German/Aryan blood and then decided he'd drive them all out of Germany.  Then when things started going poorly for the Nazis, he switch to genocide.  History might not repeat itself but it definitely rhymes.  JFC you're one obtuse individual. 

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24 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Equating Trump with Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini in a rational and sane society should be a joke. But I get the sense that you are serious.

Have you actually ever read how Hitler came to power?  He didn't just roll up in a tank one day.

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4 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Alright, I'm out and at the end of the day I don't care if you guys have your thread to fantasize and fervantly wish for a politicians death, I just didn't think it very healthy. I regret inserting myself into the bloodlust orgy and will see myself out.

Out without actually answering the question, eh? What a suprise!

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3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Have you actually ever read how Hitler came to power?  He didn't just roll up in a tank one day.

If it doesn't arrive from an email newsletter, he doesn't read it, and his newsletters probably aren't very honest about the history of 1910s-1940s German history.

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3 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Finally, I expect there’s a whole bunch of conservative news listening voters who may not have heard the totality of the allegations against Trump. They are about to have their face smashed into news of banging stormy Daniels while his child was being born - and they will learn about the involvement of Trump in the matter via internal documents, and will get to see video of Trump lying about it all continually in his news conferences and on Twitter.

Assuming NewsMax actually reports any of this.

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3 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

You all seem to want something other than democracy to decide his fate.  if we reelect Trump, we all deserve to lose our country. Being the first president ever to sit in a criminal trial after holding office (while running in an election) is unheard of. I get you think it will not matter. So I say, again, if the criminal trial is not enough to defeat Trump in an election, then we had a nice run and we do not deserve nice things like a democracy.

This is correct. Hitler served time... and then the Germans elected him anyway.

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38 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Equating Trump with Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini in a rational and sane society should be a joke. But I get the sense that you are serious.

It should be. You're right about that. It absolutely should be.

But when the guy is literally saying these things, literally saying that he wants to become a dictator and end democracy? It's not a joke. You either see that this time it's actually happening, or become History's next great lesson.

I don't think Trump has to die. In fact, Trump dying won't necessarily help. Trump's CULT has to die. And that can happen while he's still very much alive; events just have to continue to show, irrevocably, who he really is, vs who people have made him to be.

The Romans killed Jesus and it did nothing to end people's worship of him.

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6 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

We can defeat it again in 2024, and no one has to die this time if people show up to the polls and vote blue.

But he can't because some libs were mean to him online

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8 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Alright, I'm out and at the end of the day I don't care if you guys have your thread to fantasize and fervantly wish for a politicians death, I just didn't think it very healthy. I regret inserting myself into the bloodlust orgy and will see myself out.

You're correct.  Wishing death upon most elected politicians is twisted and non-Christian, particularly as we arrive upon this time of the Easter season.  Lucky for us though, he's no longer a politician.  He doesn't hold office, he clings to a non-existent job, is a horrific father and husband, and on his way out.  He, to your other point, has not visited genocide to 6mm Jews.  He has not caused the death of 20mm fellow Soviets.  In those regards, he is just aces.  Back to back.  He was never going to serve prison time.  I guess he'll have to cough up some gifted money here and there for civil trials.  But he'll never see in the side of a jail cell.  That was never the intent.  You have an obese, near 80-year old failure running around the country between court hearings, trials, fundraisers, grifts, UFC appearances, campaign appearances, maybe debates, media spots, and stumping.  The idea isn't that he'll run short of money or voters.  This is a coordinated effort to make sure he dies, and rather soon.  He thinks he is invincible.  Which is precisely this plan will work.  His body will betray him, not the American people.  He will be be run ragged and will self-destruct.  It's not bloodlust.  We are merely fixing it so that a demented man falls ill and goes to sleep.  And if this schedule doesn't do it.  The defeat in November will.  And it that doesn't do it.  There's only one catering company at Mar-a-Lago.  And then we gotta deal with the fallout, the upset deniers who will number about 25mm.  That number will either believe that he is operating a government in exile or was taken out by the Deep State/Swamp.  Now you're smart enough to know better and you're also enough to know this group will eventually reveal themselves out of sheer idiocy.  That's where I come in.  Because the stupids always come out of the woodwork and I squash them.  And then those that are upset rise up and squash them.  And rinse and repeat.  Because that's all I know, beating down bad people.  And spoiler alert---I always win.  Not because I'm a good guy or a smart guy, but because I don't fucking care.  MAGA is just the latest and most fashionable trend.  I've seen it for 1000 years.  I keep fixing it so they all die and then when the next fad lifts its ugly head, I'll hand it off the next guy or gal.  And around and around we go.  We've  been fixing and cleaning for millennia.  And we don't take coffee breaks.  

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29 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

How about people see the obvious warning signs, and are upset to try and prevent things here from getting to the point where someone has the power to start killing swaths of people? Deporitng people en mass, pulling out of NATO, etc. All thigns that he has said he intends to do. 

I'm just quoting this for truth.

He has said what he's going to do. His plan is Hitler's plan. Getting the word out and defeating him in November, and again in 2028, and again and again and again, is the only way to win. Court cases won't end this. DEATH won't prevent this. Just the hard work of winning people over.

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35 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Equating Trump with Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini in a rational and sane society should be a joke. But I get the sense that you are serious.

Bolded because the qualifier is the killer here.  We do not have a rational and sane society.  We have a society where one party is all-in on authoritarianism.  That....is fucked.

24 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

In what universe does doing the above equate to holocausting 6mm Jews? Gulaging and killing 9mm people? 

Excellent question.  Also, really stupid question.  Let me ask it another way:

"In what world does lighting a match equate to burning down a house?"  By your standard, we should exhibit zero alarm when someone thoroughly douses a house in gasoline, says "I'm going to burn this motherfucker down," and then stands at the front door and strikes a match.  PARTICULARLY when we have clear and spot-on historical antecedents to look to.

22 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You do realize there was a before, right?

This.

21 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Was the Beer Hall Puscht not a coup in your mind, becuase no standing army was activated?

How about people see the obvious warning signs, and are upset to try and prevent things here from getting to the point where someone has the power to start killing swaths of people? Deporitng people en mass, pulling out of NATO, etc. All thigns that he has said he intends to do. 

And this.

17 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

So either you are comparing DJT to Hitler and Stalin BEFORE they were effectively Hitler and Stalin as history knows them--and certainly as message boards and Godwin's Law know them OR you are definitively stating and extrapolating that Trump is going to genocide millions of people should he gain power (again).

Either way, it actually hurts the argument and position against DJT (IMO) when the rhetoric is so divorced from reality. 

To the bolded, yes, yes, 1000X YES!  That's EXACTLY what we are doing.  We are -- to continue the metaphor above -- comparing the dude with a lit match in front of the house he just soaked with gasoline and said he's gonna burn down with other arsonists, because HE IS DOING ALL THE THINGS THAT ARSONISTS DO RIGHT UP TO THE POINT THEY LIGHT THE HOUSE ON FIRE.

As just a snapshot, here's a short-form discussion of the rhetoric he employs:

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So, since the fascists, authoritarians always want to do two things — they want to change the way that people see violence, making it into something necessary and patriotic and even morally righteous, and they want to change the way people see their targets.

And so they use dehumanizing language. And former President Trump is doing both. He's been using his rallies since 2015 to shift the idea of violence into something positive. And now he's starting to use dehumanizing rhetoric, all these groups who live like vermin. And this is what the original fascists did. Hitler started talking about Jews as parasites in 1920.

So by the time he got in 1933, Germans had been exposed to this dehumanizing rhetoric for 13 years. And Mussolini literally talked about rats. After he had become dictator in 1927, he said, we need to kill rats who are bringing infectious diseases and Bolshevism from the east.

And so this matches up with Trump talking about immigrants bringing disease and other such things. So this is very dangerous rhetoric with a very precise fascist history.

13 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Hitler didn't start with the idea of killing 6 million Jews.  He started out demonizing them and shouting how they were poisoning German/Aryan blood and then decided he'd drive them all out of Germany.  Then when things started going poorly for the Nazis, he switch to genocide.  History might not repeat itself but it definitely rhymes.  JFC you're one obtuse individual. 

Yep.  See above.  

10 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Have you actually ever read how Hitler came to power?  He didn't just roll up in a tank one day.

Bottom line, ask yourself this simple question, honestly:

What did fascist authoritarian leaders do, and sound like, in their run-up to taking absolute power and imposing their horrific regimes on the world?

And you know what the answer to that question is, or you would if you ever picked up a motherfucking book.

They look, and sound, almost exactly like Donald Trump.

 

So, to get back to your original oh-so-concerned point....you are goddamned right I wish that he would die, right now, this very second.  Because he is an existential threat to the Republic, and by virtue of that every American and indeed every human on earth.  He has no governing or guiding principles other than "show fealty to me," so nobody, regardless of ideology or anything else, is safe.  He wants to be an absolute ruler with absolute power accountable to nobody and without any limits....because he has TOLD US THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE FUCKING WANTS.  And he will demonize, and inflict punishment and pain, on whoever it takes to accomplish those things.

Don't blame us because we have enough IQ points and literacy to say "oh fuck, we've seen shit almost exactly like this before, and y'all....you aren't gonna like where it takes us" and you clearly do not.  Pick up a fucking book.  Or hell, do this -- take a visit here, the German History Museum in Berlin:

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It has a fantastic, plain-spoken and unvarnished sequence of exhibits showing EXACTLY how the nazis came to power (with genuine popular support), how they consolidated and made that power absolute, and how they then executed on the threats and promises they made on the rise to power.  My family of four walked that exhibit a few years ago, finishing at separate times.  As we all ended up outside together, each of us voiced some version of 'holy shit that was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen because it's happening right fucking now."  And mind you, that exhibit wasn't put together with an agenda of "look at this, it's just like Trump."  It pre-dates him, significantly.  It just tells a story about how fascist regimes that kill millions and destroy nations come to power....and it's a story playing out right here in the US, damned near to the letter.

Go there.  

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Posted
14 hours ago, Satchel said:

Balsonaro is running, trying to escape capture by Brazilian authorities. Sought refuge in the Hungarian embassy. They’re after ass. Now, let’s do Trump:

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So this dickwad is on the run and we’ve got the orange goo turd freely roaming the streets. Sounds about right. 

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56 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Alright, I'm out and at the end of the day I don't care if you guys have your thread to fantasize and fervantly wish for a politicians death, I just didn't think it very healthy. I regret inserting myself into the bloodlust orgy and will see myself out.

Good.  Don't come back.  Your virtue signaling is weak and easy to see through.  I don't have to be nice or civilized when the situation calls for survival.

I only wish for someone's death when they pose a threat to me or my family or our democracy.  Trump falls into that category. 

As for your bloodlust orgy comment, if Trump were convicted of treason and scheduled to be executed and they sold lottery tickets for the rights to throw the switch, I'd buy a few.

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I don’t want him to die because he can’t be beaten any other way. I want him to be beaten the old fashioned way. Losing by another 6 million votes in November is a good place to start. Then he can die a lonely old broke loser as God intended.

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Just now, tbone_ said:

I don’t want him to die because he can’t be beaten any other way. I want him to be beaten the old fashioned way. Losing by another 6 million votes in November is a good place to start. Then he can die a lonely old broke loser as God intended.

I'll take the W any way we can get it.  Fucking civilization is literally at stake.

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1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

This thread has turned perverse and macbre with all the legitimate death wish talk. The fact that politicians rile people up in our society today so much, as a political laymen, that is scarier than any politician, policy or political outcome IMO.

Could you guys imagine if there was a thread about how people wish every day that Kamala Harris wakes up dead, choked on a KFC chicken wing, and that they are legitimately just wishing her death? You people would be outraged.

You the type that thinks thoughts and prayers are effective, aren't you?   Well bless your heart.

 

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1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

Equating Trump with Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini in a rational and sane society should be a joke. But I get the sense that you are serious.

Yeah, he's nowhere near as competent a dictator as the other three.  

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24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

.  Or hell, do this -- take a visit here, the German History Museum in Berlin:

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This is the most powerful and terrifying museum I’ve been to. I went there in Aug 2016 in the lead up to the 2016 election. Everyone should visit Berlin. It has reminders of the results of authoritarianism all over the place.

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2 hours ago, gernblansten said:

I always get pissed when those 12 lawyers sitting in the jury box don't hold people accountable. 

Which juries have had the opportunity to convict him, and then not done so?

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45 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So, to get back to your original oh-so-concerned point....you are goddamned right I wish that he would die, right now, this very second. 

My answer to that is: Be careful what you wish for. If he were to fall, he would become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

The Romans thought they could kill off a cult by killing Jesus... You may snicker, but Trump has replaced Jesus in churches throughout the country as their true Messiah, even if they won't say that quiet part out loud quite yet.

You won't kill the cult off simply by him dying.

Heck, look how many years it took for Elvis sightings to wane. Elvis was being spotted and worshiped for a good 10-15 years after his death. Wouldn't have happened if he'd just been an old, fat druggie for the next ten years instead. THEN you'd have had people talking about how much he sucked, although he had been pretty good once.

Y'all really don't want Trump to die. Y'all want him to lose.

Lose, lose, and keep losing more and more, until his name has become as synonymous with losing as Rimbo has become with Greg Davis Defenders. He won't have a cult, because nobody wants to join the Cult of Loser.

Jail won't end him. Death won't end him. Losing will. Losing court cases. Losing his marbles. Losing the election. Dragging the GOP down with him.

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1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

trump has said he will suspend the Constitution, round up, encamp, and deport minorities, and that he wants Americans to obey him like the Norks do Un.  The motherfucker has TOLD us he wants to be a dictator.  He hasn't racked up their body count but if he gets power again, it'll only be a matter of time.  It's scary Americans don't see the danger this cunt poses to our Republic.  

So as far as trump goes, Dope sang it best:

Just go
Die motherfucker die motherfucker die
Die motherfucker die motherfucker die
Die motherfucker die motherfucker die
Die motherfucker die motherfucker die

 

 

he hasn't racked up a body count? you don't count the millions of COVID deaths that happened because he was more concerned about his re-election chances than a global pandemic?

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16 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

My answer to that is: Be careful what you wish for. If he were to fall, he would become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

The Romans thought they could kill off a cult by killing Jesus... You may snicker, but Trump has replaced Jesus in churches throughout the country as their true Messiah, even if they won't say that quiet part out loud quite yet.

You won't kill the cult off simply by him dying.

Heck, look how many years it took for Elvis sightings to wane. Elvis was being spotted and worshiped for a good 10-15 years after his death. Wouldn't have happened if he'd just been an old, fat druggie for the next ten years instead. THEN you'd have had people talking about how much he sucked, although he had been pretty good once.

Y'all really don't want Trump to die. Y'all want him to lose.

Lose, lose, and keep losing more and more, until his name has become as synonymous with losing as Rimbo has become with Greg Davis Defenders. He won't have a cult, because nobody wants to join the Cult of Loser.

Jail won't end him. Death won't end him. Losing will. Losing court cases. Losing his marbles. Losing the election. Dragging the GOP down with him.

I want him to lose, THEN die.  I mean, if we're wishcasting.

But the stakes are too fucking high for me to hold out for the BEST case scenario.  I'll take any W I can get at this point.  We have danced too close to the flame for way too long, the irrevocable and irreparable explosion could happen at any time.  I'm sick of that fucking risk.

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1 minute ago, Longhorn94 said:

he hasn't racked up a body count? you don't count the millions of COVID deaths that happened because he was more concerned about his re-election chances than a global pandemic?

No, you dummy....Bill Gates and Fauci killed all those people, because they created COVID on purpose to convince everyone to take the jab that will eventually kill everyone who got it so we can do the great reset with nothing but liberal voters (although nobody has explained to me how a vaccine that most Biden voters took....but a lot of Trumptards didn't....is a viable part of a scheme to eliminate conservatives and replace them with liberals), but anyway, GREAT RESET!  DO THE RESEARCH, LIBTARD!

This is literally what they think, or something damned close to it.  We cannot reason with these people or their leaders.  Reason only makes them mad.

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