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52 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The problem isn't Trump. He's a rapist criminal piece of shit dictator. 

The problem is the 40 million Americans that endorse a rapist dictator piece of shit. 

 

This.  When it all turns to shit, we're not going to have to shoot Trump.  We're going to have to shoot the assholes who are committing fascist crimes in his name and on his orders.  That's why we're fucked.  If it was just a few random nutbars, we'd be fine.  The fact that it's a sizable enough group to actually win elections (and then make sure there are no further free and fair elections, ever) in some locations is the problem.

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"You can do a lot with a telephone.  I did it with France.  They were gonna put taxes on American companies."

 

Just think about those three sentences this Christmas, with your families and neighbors.  First of all, good luck diagramming that sentence without peyote and a sharp knife.  Secondly, picture Trump like that tiktok video being offered $100mm to successfully place a phone call with a rotary phone.  Third, what exactly did he do with France that then prompted them to want to tax American Companies?  If any Trumper wants to list out specific taxes levied not by the EU, but by France alone not including tariffs or entry fees, on American companies...list them here and I'll donate whatever you want to Trump's non-legal fundraising PAC.  

 

I know he doesn't have to make sense or be smart or have the best words for 35% of this website to want to blow him for Festivus.  But I mean, at least have the decency to pretend you still give a shit about the illusion.  Telephones, France, and using telephones to prevent France from taxing American companies.  You know that thing that's a huge problem right now?  It's like the footlocker and phone records scene in "A Few Good Men."  Commander Trump, please tell me you have more than this...these MAGA dipshits are on trial for their lives.  

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In related news, arch conservative (but not Trump appointee) Will Pryor and the 11th Circuit unanimously affirm the denial of Meadow's removal petition.

https://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/202312958.pdf

This is pretty interesting because all of these removal and immunity questions are related:  to what degree to federal officers enjoy privileges unavailable to ordinary citizens in the event of criminal prosecution.

The answers seem to center on to what degree they are related to their official duties and the courts aren't having much trouble parsing Trumpco's activities into the unprotected categories.

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Posted
5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  When it all turns to shit, we're not going to have to shoot Trump.  We're going to have to shoot the assholes who are committing fascist crimes in his name and on his orders.  That's why we're fucked.  If it was just a few random nutbars, we'd be fine.  The fact that it's a sizable enough group to actually win elections (and then make sure there are no further free and fair elections, ever) in some locations is the problem.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

While some hope this comes to pass (MAGA not voting), this is actually Trump asking his supporters to attack the Special Counsel

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Someone should triple dog dare him to do that.  Suggest he’s not man enough, only a Putin would do that. 

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33 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

While some hope this comes to pass (MAGA not voting), this is actually Trump asking his supporters to attack the Special Counsel

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Tell them to burn their passports and voter registration cards.

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Posted
Just now, jimmyjazz said:

This will get overturned on appeal.

For sure.

And his horde can just write his name in anyway.

But, maybe it'll piss him off so much that he has an aneurysm and dies a painful, gasping, nose bleeding death?

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9 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

It's going to force the Supremes to address the issue.  This is their chance to be rid of Trump once and for all, they just have to not be cowards.  

 

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

This will get overturned on appeal.

Yeah.  Between the fact that "it doesn't fucking matter" (Colorado wasn't going to vote for Trump in the general anyway, and no state that he has a chance of winning will similarly disqualify him), and the fact that the Supremes can't wait to step in and suck Republican cock, this is a nothing.

We have to beat Trump the old fashioned way: with votes.  Even though many states will try to prevent those votes, we have to fight through that and get the votes our there anyway.  And then, we have to root very, very, very hard for Trump to drop fucking dead, and right soon.

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3 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

At the very least this makes the cowards go on public record (again) backing their orange god.

Exactly.

And history needs to show that people tried.

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We have to beat Trump the old fashioned way: with electoral college votes. 

Ftfy.

Popularity doesn't matter for dick in this country. It's all about favor with the oligarchs and how much you can pack and crack votes 

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16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

This will get overturned on appeal.

Well, as noted above, the only appeal at this point is SCOTUS.  Given that the administration and conduct of federal elections is a matter of state law (including, apparently now, judicial law as well as legislative law) and Congress has not seen fit to elucidate on this part of the 14th Amendment, it might well be upheld.

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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, as noted above, the only appeal at this point is SCOTUS.  Given that the administration and conduct of federal elections is a matter of state law (including, apparently now, judicial law as well as legislative law) and Congress has not seen fit to elucidate on this part of the 14th Amendment, it might well be upheld.

They'll go the chicken shit way and not hear it on it's merits.  

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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, as noted above, the only appeal at this point is SCOTUS.  Given that the administration and conduct of federal elections is a matter of state law (including, apparently now, judicial law as well as legislative law) and Congress has not seen fit to elucidate on this part of the 14th Amendment, it might well be upheld.

Lmfao this guy thinks the supreme court isn't just out to make policy change through rulings. They've had several fact-optional cases and rulings now to enforce republican dogma. It ain't gonna fucking stop 

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Lmfao this guy thinks the supreme court isn't just out to make policy change through rulings. They've had several fact-optional cases and rulings now to enforce republican dogma. It ain't gonna fucking stop 

In case you haven't noticed, since Trump left office, the Supreme Court hasn't done him one single favor.

I didn't say they weren't jackholes or they weren't enacting whatever conservative policies they were chosen to enact.

It just so happens that conservative policies apparently don't quite line up with Trump policies, at least not those that keep him out of jail or in office.

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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

In case you haven't noticed, since Trump left office, the Supreme Court hasn't done him one single favor.

I didn't say they weren't jackholes or they weren't enacting whatever conservative policies they were chosen to enact.

It just so happens that conservative policies apparently don't quite line up with Trump policies, at least not those that keep him out of jail or in office.

This is true, and like I said, because they aren't necessarily aligned with Trump, though aligned with right wing policy ideology, I don't think they will even hear the case.  This won't effect the electoral math one way or the other, and accordingly, sticking their necks out for it does them nor their ideology any favors.  

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3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

So leave it up to the individual states except for this case (and any others that GQP deems necessary)? Is that about right?

The national abortion ban the GOP wants says yes.

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So leave it up to the individual states except for this case (and any others that GQP deems necessary)? Is that about right?


Well, the CO SCT's opinion rests on its interpretation of the the US Constitution, i.e., whether Section 3 applies to a candidate for President, even though election law is state by state issue. So the CO SCT's opinion is appealable to the SCOTUS.

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1 minute ago, Chewbacca said:

The national abortion ban the GOP wants says yes.

That's so fucked up.  One of the central criticisms of Roe was that it was an issue for the states under their police power, but now that they got that, they want to federally legislate.  FUBAR.

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18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

In case you haven't noticed, since Trump left office, the Supreme Court hasn't done him one single favor.

I didn't say they weren't jackholes or they weren't enacting whatever conservative policies they were chosen to enact.

It just so happens that conservative policies apparently don't quite line up with Trump policies, at least not those that keep him out of jail or in office.

Forget it Twice, it's Captainant 

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Posted
37 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

They'll go the chicken shit way and not hear it on it's merits.  

Possible.  But seems like too important an issue to dodge and they could make a decision independent of the facts.

One plausible way I see it going down is:

  • The 14th is silent as to the mechanism for determining whether a candidate engaged in insurrection
  • At the time of its enactment, as today, states are responsible for determining who to put on ballots and who is a valid candidate, carrying out Constitutional rules
  • The "original" understanding then must have been that the states would figure this one out too
  • Congress conceivably could have elaborated on this like the KKK Act (28 USC 1981 and 1983), but has not
  • So, bingo, bango, Colorado ruling valid
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Possible.  But seems like too important an issue to dodge and they could make a decision independent of the facts.
One plausible way I see it going down is:
  • The 14th is silent as to the mechanism for determining whether a candidate engaged in insurrection
  • At the time of its enactment, as today, states are responsible for determining who to put on ballots and who is a valid candidate, carrying out Constitutional rules
  • The "original" understanding then must have been that the states would figure this one out too
  • Congress conceivably could have elaborated on this like the KKK Act (28 USC 1981 and 1983), but has not
  • So, bingo, bango, Colorado ruling valid

You’re adorable sometimes. Look at all of that legal reasoning you typed out. Now look at the naked disregard for legal reasoning in all recent big policy decisions of the SCOTUS. Calvin. Ball.
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Posted
Just now, hornbri said:

If they pass on it, and more states block him from appearing in the primaries then it becomes very possible for him to not get the nomination.

Nice thought, but no.  The only states that might pursue it are ones that are solid Democrat anyway.  This won't change the electoral math at all.  

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