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Posted
2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Because the malfeasance, and him getting away with it, proves how powerful he is, getting one over on "the man."

Remember how much of America (well....non-black America) was shocked when the OJ acquittal verdict was announced, and lots of black people openly celebrated it?  That wasn't because they were happy that OJ killed Nicole and Ron.  They were happy because one of them, a people who had gotten the shitty end of the stick in the justice system over and over and over, got one over on that very justice system.  The fact that everyone knew OJ murdered two people was functionally irrelevant to their thinking; it was all about the fact that in SPITE of the evidence being against him, he beat the system.

For MAGAts, it's similar.  They hate "the system/the deep state."  No, they really don't even know what it is (at least black Americans had a pretty firm grasp on the justice system of the police and the courts, and how they had been fucked by them for a long-ass time).  So, the fact that their guy can openly and blatantly violate laws, rules, and norms, and "the system/the deep state" can't seem to stop him only makes him MORE of their hero.

That is also why it is imperative that the rule of law crush him, and grind him to fucking dust.  Above-board, in the open, and by-the-book.  He's a fucking criminal with contempt for our laws.  Treat him as such, and get the fucking result.

He’s Stone Cold Steve Austin sticking it to Vince McMahon and the WWE guvment.

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If he hadn't originally denied Trump's request to speak it wouldn't really be a big deal. It'd be annoying that Trump continued to get away with little shit that other people would get thrown in jail for, but it wouldn't have been news or had any impact for more than a day. But denying Trump's request, then receiving a bomb threat and backtracking and letting him speak, sends a horrible signal to Trump's supporters.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

The fact that everyone knew OJ murdered two people was functionally irrelevant to their thinking; it was all about the fact that in SPITE of the evidence being against him, he beat the system.

Don’t ignore the widespread corruption and hatred in the LAPD and that cops were caught manipulating evidence in the OJ case. 

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Posted
18 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Wait, he did let him talk? FUcking why?

After all that back and forth he fucking let him talk?  Our justice system is so broken.  Fuck me.

Posted
40 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Can you imagine the breaking news aspect had Obama taken 8 million from foreign governments?

Yeah, well what if it was 8 million tan suits? Think of that 
 

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Posted
22 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

After all that back and forth he fucking let him talk?  Our justice system is so broken.  Fuck me.

Yes oh this is surely the evidence you have been looking for. 🙄

Posted
42 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Can you imagine the breaking news aspect had Obama taken 8 million from foreign governments?


FoxNews would be on 24/7 breaking news mode 

Posted
3 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

"...and in Jesus Built My Hotrod Jesus said 'binga dang dong a ding dong a bang bang binga dang dong a bwaaa'...."

Yeah, but he was an architect, previous to his career as a prophet

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Posted
56 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Wait, he did let him talk? FUcking why?

 

52 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Terrible capitulation by Engoron. He effectively just told Trump and his supporters that bomb threats work. 

Because our government kowtows to fascists regularly. 

 

14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yes oh this is surely the evidence you have been looking for. 🙄

Look motherfucker, do consequences exist for fucking around in a courtroom or not? Literally anybody else NOT named "Donald Trump" would be getting contempt rulings and the fucking book thrown at them FOR INSTIGATING FUCKING BOMB THREATS AGAINST THEIR JUDGE!!!

Failure to punish these out outbursts like they would with ANY other citizen is just another instance of using kid gloves with trump and the fascists. 

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Posted
51 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

I'm not sure because it didn't happen.  What do you think?  More, or less than wearing a tan suit?

I think had Obama been found to have received 8 million dollars from foreign governments, he would have been impeached, convicted and driven from office. Trump is a living, breathing example of real white privilege - not the fake king Nancy Mace referred to in yesterday’s House hearing.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yes oh this is surely the evidence you have been looking for. 🙄

Keep on telling us this is how it works as he steamrolls the justice system.  And let me know when the bankruptcy trustee actually makes Alex Jones' family disgorge the money he sent to them before he filed.  That one should be a fucking slam dunk and nothing.  Crickets.

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Posted
27 minutes ago, Captainant said:

 

Because our government kowtows to fascists regularly. 

 

Look motherfucker, do consequences exist for fucking around in a courtroom or not? Literally anybody else NOT named "Donald Trump" would be getting contempt rulings and the fucking book thrown at them FOR INSTIGATING FUCKING BOMB THREATS AGAINST THEIR JUDGE!!!

Failure to punish these out outbursts like they would with ANY other citizen is just another instance of using kid gloves with trump and the fascists. 

Wrong. I have clients go on rants at the judge all the time. Sometimes directly calling a judge "mothefucker" or worse. Judges patiently wait for the outburst to end, and move on.

Why do you continue to argue with such certainty over issues you are unfamiliar with? 

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New York Times

Jan. 11, 2024, 2:55 p.m. 
Nate Schweber

As Mr. Trump concluded his remarks in the lobby of his building at 40 Wall Street, a crowd of more than 100 onlookers, mainly young men who had entered via a back door, overwhelmed security and surged forward, bellowing. Mr. Trump, who had walked out of sight, returned. Standing before the crowd, he raised his right fist, pumped it, and opened his palm in a diagonal wave. The crowd screamed for him and came within around 50 feet, as Secret Service agents and building security failed to hold them back.

What is going on here?

Posted
15 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Wrong. I have clients go on rants at the judge all the time. Sometimes directly calling a judge "mothefucker" or worse. Judges patiently wait for the outburst to end, and move on.

Why do you continue to argue with such certainty over issues you are unfamiliar with? 

Have you had any clients get a bomb threat sent to the home of a judge that you saw the next morning? Did you read the email exchange that was posted yesterday regarding Trump talking today?  It was done.  Open and shut and Trump wasn't going to speak today.  And then he did.

Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Engoron is the biggest pussy this side of Merrick Garland.

Oh geezus christ.  This is not true.

Dollars to donuts, he gave Trumpco 20 minutes to close, with five mintues left, they reiterated their request and Engoron said fuck it, all he can do is waste five minutes.

Voila.

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Posted (edited)

Bullshit move by the judge but ultimately meaningless. Judgment is gonna be big, the biggest, many people are saying so, just enormous, horrible judgment, just horrible.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Oh geezus christ.  This is not true.

Dollars to donuts, he gave Trumpco 20 minutes to close, with 15 left, they reiterated their request and Engoron said fuck it, all he can do is waste five minutes.

Voila.

the other key about it is that it further enhances his bulletproof-ness on appeal.

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Posted
Just now, 'stache said:

Bullshit move by the judge but ultimately meaningless. Judgment is gonna be big, the biggest, many people are saying so, just enormous, horrible judgment, just horrible.

It really is meaningless.  Just a complete nothingburger.

Posted
22 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

Reads like a community college freshman that hasn't attended a single class emailing their professor the week after Thanksgiving.

I always like these guys. Not like the meek little rule-followers who just show up and learn stuff. They're sort of European, where you attend lectures, or don't, then the results of one exam determine whether you become the under-secretary of non-development, or else just sit around a cafe by the train station smoking cigarettes.

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At this point, let him speak. I can't imagine any moderates are leaning towards him and any "reasonable" R's are becoming less and less interested in voting at all (at least the ones I know). Yea, he's whipping his base up into a frenzy each time but his base, his true base (the Jan 6 crowd, the racist, homophobic, anti-women, fascist loving crowd), I don't think is that large.

Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, sidis said:

the other key about it is that it further enhances his bulletproof-ness on appeal.

I think Engoron has been pretty masterful at dropping the hammer when appropriate without getting carried away with the personal pique that Trump and his team richly deserve.

He's handled it like a 20 year federal judge rather than an elected one with 10 years experience.

Nothing about this would be an appealable/reversible error, but it is yet another data point of Engoron accomodating Trump to the reasonable and beyond, without putting up with much of his bullshit.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It really is meaningless.  Just a complete nothingburger.

I'm just fucking sick of him getting his way. He wasn't supposed to talk! And if he went off the rails, he's to be fined $50k. Well?

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Posted
3 minutes ago, safe sex said:

I'm just fucking sick of him getting his way. He wasn't supposed to talk! And if he went off the rails, he's to be fined $50k. Well?

it is extremely frustrating and an exemplification of how celebrities/wealthy/etc... have a double standard.

that said, as i said earlier, the primary concern procedurally for any state court judge in a bench trial is not making an error on not allowing evidence/facts/testimony in that would allow an appellate court to say that decision was prejudicial or in violation of due process/constitutional rights/etc...  for good reason by the way.  but when it is a bench trial, the judge has no jury to protect so they can put it all towards weight and take that arrow out of any appellant's quiver.  that's why things like dauberting experts is a more tedious process in a jury trial than a bench trial.  letting trump run a clown show pointlessly to the trier of fact (the judge) who clearly sees what a piece of shit he is actually undermines trump's ability to try and undo any of it through the appellate process.  they completely fucked themselves on their outcome in this trial and one of its potential appellate paths so he could have a pointless tantrum.

him getting his way is insanely frustrating when the piece of shit should have been shot to mars by now but in this case, there's a bit of napoleon at play here...giving him the rope to hang himself.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Afterward, there wasn't a dry eye in the courtroom.  Justice Erdogan gaving him a standing ovation and declared it to be a perfect closing.

The bailiff came up to him, a big strong man with tears in his eyes....

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Posted
18 minutes ago, safe sex said:

I'm just fucking sick of him getting his way. He wasn't supposed to talk! And if he went off the rails, he's to be fined $50k. Well?

Also, the threatened 50k fine was only if he violated the existing gag order, again, which he did not.  See Engoron email of 1/5 at 13:18.

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Posted
22 minutes ago, safe sex said:

I'm just fucking sick of him getting his way. He wasn't supposed to talk! And if he went off the rails, he's to be fined $50k. Well?

The assessment of damages is coming.  Don't touch that dial.

Posted
2 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Well, I guess let's just keep on hoping that eventually Baby Donald gets a spanking instead of every little treat his heart desires

You pointed out a few posts ago he was found liable for rape. I suspect when Engoron rules, Trump will not be very happy. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

The bailiff came up to him, a big strong man with tears in his eyes....

He was heard to say, "My life for you."

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Posted
9 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

You pointed out a few posts ago he was found liable for rape. I suspect when Engoron rules, Trump will not be very happy. 

Fuckin' nothing came of his civil rape verdict. E Jean Carroll is having to sue him again lmao 

14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Also, the threatened 50k fine was only if he violated the existing gag order, again, which he did not.  See Engoron email of 1/5 at 13:18.

Ty for clarifying that

Posted
14 minutes ago, sidis said:

it is extremely frustrating and an exemplification of how celebrities/wealthy/etc... have a double standard.

that said, as i said earlier, the primary concern procedurally for any state court judge in a bench trial is not making an error on not allowing evidence/facts/testimony in that would allow an appellate court to say that decision was prejudicial or in violation of due process/constitutional rights/etc...  for good reason by the way.  but when it is a bench trial, the judge has no jury to protect so they can put it all towards weight and take that arrow out of any appellant's quiver.  that's why things like dauberting experts is a more tedious process in a jury trial than a bench trial.  letting trump run a clown show pointlessly to the trier of fact (the judge) who clearly sees what a piece of shit he is actually undermines trump's ability to try and undo any of it through the appellate process.  they completely fucked themselves on their outcome in this trial and one of its potential appellate paths so he could have a pointless tantrum.

him getting his way is insanely frustrating when the piece of shit should have been shot to mars by now but in this case, there's a bit of napoleon at play here...giving him the rope to hang himself.

Yeah, it's clear why Engoron has been giving Trump a long leash throughout the trial. What's less clear is why he initially denied the request to speak.  I don't think it matters legally, but backtracking after the bomb threat will absolutely encourage Trump's supporters to keep that shit up.  

As a bit of an aside, man it fucking sucks how much further reasonable district judges have to go to these days to try to protect justice from Trump's cronies at the appellate level. We can probably think of at least a dozen cases off the top of our heads where a judge has prepared a watertight, 100-120+ page opinion painstakingly explaining why the law requires a particular outcome, only to have a circuit panel or conservative SCOTUS majority write some lunatic screed that's the intellectual equivalent of smearing shit over all of the walls while ranting about the Jews. That's not going to happen here (at least not before it gets to SCOTUS) because we're dealing with New York courts, but I think this illustrates just how corrosive an impact Trump and the modern GOP has had on the judicial system generally.

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8 minutes ago, safe sex said:

I'm just fucking sick of him getting his way. He wasn't supposed to talk! And if he went off the rails, he's to be fined $50k. Well?

I get it, but in his few minutes of blabbering, he actually confessed to part of the crime, so now that's on the record.  It's not as if Engoran, was going to be remotely persuaded by his bullshit.  

Posted
2 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

I get it, but in his few minutes of blabbering, he actually confessed to part of the crime, so now that's on the record.  It's not as if Engoran, was going to be remotely persuaded by his bullshit.  

The state is already mentioning that in their closing after the break.

 

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1 minute ago
Jonah Bromwich Reporting from inside the courtroom

Amer moves on to Trump’s own testimony, in which he said he reviewed the annual financial statements, as well as that of Michael Cohen, the former president's one-time fixer. Cohen said that Trump asked him to reverse-engineer his desired net worth by boosting the value of his assets.

 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yeah, it's clear why Engoron has been giving Trump a long leash throughout the trial. What's less clear is why he initially denied the request to speak.  I don't think it matters legally, but backtracking after the bomb threat will absolutely encourage Trump's supporters to keep that shit up.  

As a bit of an aside, man it fucking sucks how much further reasonable district judges have to go to these days to try to protect justice from Trump's cronies at the appellate level. We can probably think of at least a dozen cases off the top of our heads where a judge has prepared a watertight, 100-120+ page opinion painstakingly explaining why the law requires a particular outcome, only to have a circuit panel or conservative SCOTUS majority write some lunatic screed that's the intellectual equivalent of smearing shit over all of the walls while ranting about the Jews. That's not going to happen here (at least not before it gets to SCOTUS) because we're dealing with New York courts, but I think this illustrates just how corrosive an impact Trump and the modern GOP has had on the judicial system generally.

I think his misstep was saying that the attorney had to agree to the condition and when there was no response he said the request was denied. The emails say a few times that trump would have to agree at the outset of his comments to limit it to the evidence and trial. The judge should have just left it open ended. "I will allow him to talk, within the time for oral argument, if and only if he says on the record before speaking that he agrees to the limitations." That would have been more clear, in my opinion.

Posted
5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I think his misstep was saying that the attorney had to agree to the condition and when there was no response he said the request was denied. The emails say a few times that trump would have to agree at the outset of his comments to limit it to the evidence and trial. The judge should have just left it open ended. "I will allow him to talk, within the time for oral argument, if and only if he says on the record before speaking that he agrees to the limitations." That would have been more clear, in my opinion.

But he didn't do that, either.

Posted (edited)

More from the live NYT thread that makes it seem like Jr and Eric have derped their way out of it.

 

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ET10 minutes ago
10 minutes ago
Jonah BromwichReporting from inside the courtroom

Amer has moved to trying to show that Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. acted with intent to defraud. He says that evidence demonstrates that they played an active role in a 2021 financial statement that included fraudulent values. He is delving into emails that show Eric Trump had knowledge of the statements. Both Trump sons had denied any serious involvement in, or even knowledge of, the statements.

Engoron interrupts. He says that the attorney general’s post-trial brief doesn’t have much evidence that Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. knew there was fraud. “I haven’t seen it,” the judge says. This comment is about the best news from this trial that Eric and Donald Trump Jr. have received in months.

It is notable that Engoron did not make the same complaint about lack of evidence regarding the former president himself.

Amer responds that the Trump sons would have to have had their heads in the sand not to know. Amer argues that Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. participated in a 2021 call about that annual financial statement, and so “absolutely in 2021, they had more than constructive knowledge, they had actual knowledge.”

 

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

But he didn't do that, either.

I know I'm being redundant of others, but it was a bench trial.  Letting him speak (with no cameras present) does him little good; what are his supporters going to do, read?  It removes this as an an issue to prolong the appellate process.  And it creates a situation where Trump only can damage his case.  If it were a jury trial, the calculus would have been different.

 

The baby got his bottle.  But daddy hasn't spared the rod.

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24 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I think his misstep was saying that the attorney had to agree to the condition and when there was no response he said the request was denied. The emails say a few times that trump would have to agree at the outset of his comments to limit it to the evidence and trial. The judge should have just left it open ended. "I will allow him to talk, within the time for oral argument, if and only if he says on the record before speaking that he agrees to the limitations." That would have been more clear, in my opinion.

As a point of clarity, what he and Kise were "negotiating" was some unspecified and unlimited part of the closing argument that Trump would give, subject only to the time limitations of the argument itself (and Engoron's limitations).

What transpired was that toward the end of the allotted time, when whoever was speaking would be cut off, regardless of what they were saying, Engoron granted Trump a few minutes to bloviate and cut him off when time elapsed.

Posted
14 minutes ago, dcbc said:

The baby got his bottle.  But daddy hasn't spared the rod.

Let me know when he actually faces consequences, like having to sell properties to pay huge fines or going to jail.  Until then he hasn't gotten any rod.

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4 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Let me know when he actually faces consequences, like having to sell properties to pay huge fines or going to jail.  Until then he hasn't gotten any rod.

Will do.

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