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8 hours ago, BamaATL said:

I knew a guy in school that was going on a first date with a lady back in his home (small) town Alabama while on break.  He picked her up for the date and she was adorned in a confederate mini skirt.  He had planned on going to a nice dinner, etc.  Instead, he went to Blockbuster, rented Amistad and they watched that, after viewing he took her home.  According to him, she had no clue as to why things had gone that way.  

(I still think he hit it).  

I'd have gone with Glory but that's not bad. 

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16 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

If Trump’s history continues, truth social will make the stockholders all lose a ton of money, and that asshole will have sold his stock in some insider trading deal when he saw it was going south and wind up with a bunch of money.  Everything Trump touches turns to shit, so if those investors want to touch him, fine.

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17 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Counter Point - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-stock-related-to-donald-trumps-truth-social-is-flying-high-before-you-invest-read-this-6a5e2df3

A couple of highlights

In the nine months to September 2023, the business suffered a $10.6 million operating loss on just $3.4 million in sales. 

Meanwhile, somehow. it racked up $37.7 million in interest expenses. 

Total Truth Social sign-ups to date? Er… 8.9 million people.

It also lists all of Trumps other failures.  

 

This screams pump and dump scam, always has.  It's also telling that we first got this magical $4 billion number a day before Engoron's penalties were released.  It's almost like this leaked at the same time to offset a certain someone's ego.  

All that having been said, if stupid people buy, and if he can dump a shit load of shares quick (not sure he can), he will make some scratch.  How much, I guess we shall see.  

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

If republicans voters want to pay trump’s bills, there’s a gfm set up already claiming to be giving him the money to cover the judgements- or presumably legal fees to erase the judgments.  How’s that piling up?  But more to the point, let that be the mechanism for that and let rnc donations go to what they always have gone to. 
 

but- trump needs all of everyone’s money. 

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Posted
Maybe use a photo from before she started melting.
That young lady does a hilarious comedy bit where her Gunt mouth fold does impressions of various local townsfolk and general minority stereotypes, while her wonky tits hang and her aireoles fail to make any eye contact. Subtle genius of Gatlinburg.
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24 minutes ago, Born to Run said:
5 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:
Maybe use a photo from before she started melting.

That young lady does a hilarious comedy bit where her Gunt mouth fold does impressions of various local townsfolk and general minority stereotypes, while her wonky tits hang and her aireoles fail to make any eye contact. Subtle genius of Gatlinburg.

Welp. That's enough Internet for me today.

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6 hours ago, Born to Run said:
11 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:
Maybe use a photo from before she started melting.

That young lady does a hilarious comedy bit where her Gunt mouth fold does impressions of various local townsfolk and general minority stereotypes, while her wonky tits hang and her aireoles fail to make any eye contact. Subtle genius of Gatlinburg.

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16 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

That makes sense.

To give a TLDR layperson summary: sometimes the court states the basics of how it is going to decide (an outline, if you will, saying "I intend to sign a judgment that does X, Y, and Z."  In this case, it's more than an outline, it's a full "opinion," but it still doesn't "order and decree" anything, which is what a judgment does).  The parties then submit competing proposed judgments to turn that outline into an actual formal, final judgment (which is a specialized legal document that usually has some very specific requirements).  The court then picks one of the judgments (or maybe even uses one as a baseline, and tweaks it some), and then signs it.  And it is THAT act -- signing a final judgment - that starts all of the appellate clocks running.  

 

Yeah, in Texas we have a "motion for judgment," the counterpoint to which is a motion JNOV, which wouldn't make sense here.  Maybe style it motion for corrected judgment.  Just a weird naming scheme in Trump University Upstairs Law College and Tanning Salon.

 

And, as you undoubtedly know, in Texas, for purposes of appeal, we have the "one final judgment" rule, which is to say that a final judgment is one which disposes of all parties and all issues, which typically is indicated by a "Mother Hubbard" clause stating that the judgment does just that.  But to make matters more strange (at least in Texas), even if a judgment does not, in fact, dispose of all parties and all issues, if it appears that the trial court intended to dispose of all parties and all issues, a judgment which is not, in fact, final, is considered final for purposes of appeal.

 

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Posted
49 minutes ago, dcbc said:

 

 But to make matters more strange (at least in Texas), even if a judgment does not, in fact dispose of all parties and all issues, if it appears that the trial court intended to dispose of all parties and all issues, a judgment which is not, in fact, final, is considered final for purposes of appeal.

I'm pretty sure that only applies if it will screw over the plaintiff in some respect. Defendants will of course get every benefit of the doubt by the Texas Supreme Court. 

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5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I'm pretty sure that only applies if it will screw over the plaintiff in some respect. Defendants will of course get every benefit of the doubt by the Texas Supreme Court. 

Possibly, that was the intent.  But in a practical sense, it keeps appeals from getting bounced on technicalities where the judgment truly was intended to dispose of everything.  My perspective is skewed though.  And I do what I do better if I don't try to read the tea leaves on what motivates the Texas Supreme Court.  

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Trump seeks delay

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Amer, in his letter Thursday, argued that Robert failed to justify why an additional delay of 30 days would be necessary.

"Nor do Defendants provide any basis for staying enforcement of the judgment; indeed, they requested such relief in their post-trial brief, which the Court declined to grant," Amer wrote.

Amer also objected to a change proposed by Robert to move the address of six of Trump's businesses -- which are defendants in the case -- from New York to Florida.

Subtle

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3 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Beyond being hilarious, what it tells me is he has 6 properties in New York actually worth something, and the rest are so far upside down it doesn't matter.  I'm stilling guessing he's upside down at least $2 billion, and it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if its much higher.  

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It seems to me that the imminent filing of a judgment in the Leticia James Civil Fraud Trial will start a 30-day clock running during which Trump will have to either put up something like $500 million (the entire judgment amount, including accrued interest) in cash, or secure a bond in excess of that amount, in order to appeal Judge Engoron's judment and stay enforcement of the judgment, or pay the judgment in full in the amount of about $500 million.

It also seems to me that Trump does not have $500 million in cash and that he will not be able to obtain a bond in the amount required as bonding agents do not want real estate assets as collateral, and besides, bonding agents know Trump's nature and will not want to do business with him.

So it may be that enforcement of Judge Engoron's order may force Trump into bankruptcy or otherwise Trump will face seizure and liquidation of enough of his assets to satisfy the judgment.

I'm no lawyer, but this is what I gather from readings on the internet.

TL;DR - Judge Engoron's judgment, if enforced, will ruin Trump financially.

Anybody see things working otherwise?

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9 minutes ago, Heisenberg said:

It seems to me that the imminent filing of a judgment in the Leticia James Civil Fraud Trial will start a 30-day clock running during which Trump will have to either put up something like $500 million (the entire judgment amount, including accrued interest) in cash, or secure a bond in excess of that amount, in order to appeal Judge Engoron's judment and stay enforcement of the judgment, or pay the judgment in full in the amount of about $500 million.

It also seems to me that Trump does not have $500 million in cash and that he will not be able to obtain a bond in the amount required as bonding agents do not want real estate assets as collateral, and besides, bonding agents know Trump's nature and will not want to do business with him.

So it may be that enforcement of Judge Engoron's order may force Trump into bankruptcy or otherwise Trump will face seizure and liquidation of enough of his assets to satisfy the judgment.

I'm no lawyer, but this is what I gather from readings on the internet.

TL;DR - Judge Engoron's judgment, if enforced, will ruin Trump financially.

Anybody see things working otherwise?

Pretty much. From what I gather:

1. Trump has about $400 million in cash on hand. That's obviously less than the judgment so assets would have to be liquidated in order to pay the bill once enforced.

2. He doesn't have to pay the cash/bond in order to appeal - only to defer execution of judgment (which according to #1 he doesn't have, so it will be at risk)

3. James has indicated she wants to execute the judgment even while on appeal since he won't be able to put up the cash/bond. She wants to start liquidating TrumpCo assets immediately in order to start collecting.

So yeah, he's ruined.

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2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Pretty much. From what I gather:

1. Trump has about $400 million in cash on hand. That's obviously less than the judgment so assets would have to be liquidated in order to pay the bill once enforced.

2. He doesn't have to pay the cash/bond in order to appeal - only to defer execution of judgment (which according to #1 he doesn't have, so it will be at risk)

3. James has indicated she wants to execute the judgment even while on appeal since he won't be able to put up the cash/bond. She wants to start liquidating TrumpCo assets immediately in order to start collecting.

So yeah, he's ruined.

He will never be "ruined".  At the very least, he'll continue to drain magas' collective savings.  And I still haven't seen any proof that he'll have to pay any of that money w/in the next 10 years or so. 

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Posted
22 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

When you live in the world of suits and counter suits, and are an idiot with a Wharton degree, you think if there are judgements then there must be counter judgements. He’s trying to play the only game he knows how. 

And we were told numerous times that the earlier delays were totally cool because it meant he wouldn’t be able to drag it out once the judgment came down. 

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Posted
45 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

he has 6 properties

Businesses as opposed to real property interests.  I'm sure the address of these businesses are different "suites" at the same UPS Store.

Posted
Just now, dcbc said:

Businesses as opposed to real property interests.  I'm sure the address of these businesses are different "suites" at the same UPS Store.

I'd be stunned if each property isn't its own LLC, but then again, this is dotard we are talking about.  

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Well, Trump doesn't really have to file a bond as I expect James will await the outcome of the appeal before doing any hard core execution. 

However, there's been so much speculation about it, I think he's going to feel pressure to put up the bond or look like he can't. 

 

And, he might need the stay of the judgment if he wants to avoid the supervision/receivership from going into effect, moreso than to stop execution on his assets. 

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Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

I'd be stunned if each property isn't its own LLC, but then again, this is dotard we are talking about.  

LLCs within LLCs.  I just figured he was hoping to change the business address (as opposed to the property address) so he could continue to funnel money through it, out of it, or whichever way.  The physical property still could be liquidated to satisfy the monetary penalty (unless it's a mobile home and he's going to drag it down to Florida) where it will blend in, disappear, you'll never see it again.  With any luck, he's found the grail already.  Oh, wait . . . . 

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1 minute ago, BamaATL said:

I'd be stunned if each property isn't its own LLC, but then again, this is dotard we are talking about.  

Well it is clear that he has dozens if not hundreds or thousands of LLCs. That part was established by James herself in the pretrial investigation phase of this. 

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16 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

And we were told numerous times that the earlier delays were totally cool because it meant he wouldn’t be able to drag it out once the judgment came down. 

I suspect but do not know (because how would I) that this is one of those situations with lawyers who know the case is hopeless but who have an insistent client.  I take solace in the fact that for every fruitless motion that delays the inevitable minimally, the coffers of his PACs and the RNC become even more depleted and he has to spend more time selling shoes and cologne than he does campaigning.  At this point, it's not just Trump's downfall, it's the party anchored to him.  

 

I know it's not happening fast enough.  I know many can't believe Trump Tower isn't sporting a Spirit Halloween banner already.  But the hand-wringing reminds me of trying to watch a good movie with my kids when they were little.

 

"Watch the movie."  It'll be over when it's over.  Behave yourselves, and when it's over, we'll get ice cream."

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2 hours ago, dcbc said:

 

It's like dealing with a toddler (sentence could end right here) who knows he's done something wrong and uses really bad attempts to try and get out of it. But when an actual toddler does it, it's cute.

 

1 hour ago, Heisenberg said:

It seems to me that the imminent filing of a judgment in the Leticia James Civil Fraud Trial will start a 30-day clock running during which Trump will have to either put up something like $500 million (the entire judgment amount, including accrued interest) in cash, or secure a bond in excess of that amount, in order to appeal Judge Engoron's judment and stay enforcement of the judgment, or pay the judgment in full in the amount of about $500 million.

It also seems to me that Trump does not have $500 million in cash and that he will not be able to obtain a bond in the amount required as bonding agents do not want real estate assets as collateral, and besides, bonding agents know Trump's nature and will not want to do business with him.

So it may be that enforcement of Judge Engoron's order may force Trump into bankruptcy or otherwise Trump will face seizure and liquidation of enough of his assets to satisfy the judgment.

I'm no lawyer, but this is what I gather from readings on the internet.

TL;DR - Judge Engoron's judgment, if enforced, will ruin Trump financially.

Anybody see things working otherwise?

 

I mean, there are bondsmen who are dumb enough to put up the money.

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1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

It’s crazy to me that someone with multiple bankruptcies on their resume was ever a viable candidate for president, much less actually elected.  That may be at the top of the list of things that should have been a disqualifying factor for voters.  Forget that his primary role in society was as a reality game show host, forget all the shit he had said and done that made it clear he was sexist and racist, forget all the aspects of his personal life that made it clear he was not a person of decent moral character and certainly not someone to hold up as an example of family values, forget that he had zero prior experience in government or military or even really leading a business in a role that might somehow approximate a qualification to be president.  Just knowing “this motherfucker owned several business that ended up Chapter 11” should have been, on its own, MORE THAN ENOUGH for people to wholly reject his candidacy.  I will never get over what a horrible reflection his election was on our society.

 

If you're already requiring yourself to reject one proven fact, it's easy to get you to reject the rest.

The people who need to know this don't know it, aren't hearing about it, and are in fact being told that these are lies.

 

54 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


On Nov 8 2016 I learned that a whole bunch of assumptions I had been operating under were way, way wrong.

 

Really? It pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.

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1 hour ago, tbone_ said:


On Nov 8 2016 I learned that a whole bunch of assumptions I had been operating under were way, way wrong.

Sadly, we're surrounded by dumbasses.  Hopefully 2016 is the only time they feel empowered by hatred and putrescence enough to vote.

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14 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


What can I say. I’m an optimist.

Optimism vs pessimism has nothing to do with it. I'm also thinking that Trump will get destroyed in November, if he's even on the ballot.

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1 hour ago, tbone_ said:


On Nov 8 2016 I learned that a whole bunch of assumptions I had been operating under were way, way wrong.

Word.  Initially I assumed Trump’s campaign was essentially a publicity stunt.  One he was clearly seriously in the running for the GOP nomination, I assumed he was just trying to become president to inflate his ego.  That may actually be true.  
 

But once he won, I assumed that he (or those close to him) would ensure he was surrounded by competent people he could delegate all the real responsibility to; that his role would be mainly to get on camera and brag, but that he wouldn’t really want to do the work of being president.  I figured he might involve himself superficially in some trade deal negotiations to have something to brag about, but that he’d quickly tire of that when he realized it was actual hard work.  I also assumed he would hate being president and ensure he only served one term.  Wrong across the board.  The piece of shit is intent on fucking up EVERYTHING, ALL THE WAY.

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Word.  Initially I assumed Trump’s campaign was essentially a publicity stunt.  One he was clearly seriously in the running for the GOP nomination, I assumed he was just trying to become president to inflate his ego.  That may actually be true.  
 
But once he won, I assumed that he (or those close to him) would ensure he was surrounded by competent people he could delegate all the real responsibility to; that his role would be mainly to get on camera and brag, but that he wouldn’t really want to do the work of being president.  I figured he might involve himself superficially in some trade deal negotiations to have something to brag about, but that he’d quickly tire of that when he realized it was actual hard work.  I also assumed he would hate being president and ensure he only served one term.  Wrong across the board.  The piece of shit is intent on fucking up EVERYTHING, ALL THE WAY.

I am 1,000% convinced he wants to be Putin.
Optimism vs pessimism has nothing to do with it. I'm also thinking that Trump will get destroyed in November, if he's even on the ballot.

I just meant I was optimistic about who we really were as a society despite the evidence prior to Nov 2016.
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20 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Word.  Initially I assumed Trump’s campaign was essentially a publicity stunt.  One he was clearly seriously in the running for the GOP nomination, I assumed he was just trying to become president to inflate his ego.  That may actually be true.  
 

But once he won, I assumed that he (or those close to him) would ensure he was surrounded by competent people he could delegate all the real responsibility to; that his role would be mainly to get on camera and brag, but that he wouldn’t really want to do the work of being president.  I figured he might involve himself superficially in some trade deal negotiations to have something to brag about, but that he’d quickly tire of that when he realized it was actual hard work.  I also assumed he would hate being president and ensure he only served one term.  Wrong across the board.  The piece of shit is intent on fucking up EVERYTHING, ALL THE WAY.

It was a publicity stunt. Before he announced, Trump thought he'd come in 2nd in the GOP primary to Jeb. But he immediately jumped to first in GOP polls after he announced and Jeb turned out to be completely pathetic, and nobody else in that primary ever attacked him (expecting he'd hit a ceiling and drop out and endorse them), until it was far too late. 

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25 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Word.  Initially I assumed Trump’s campaign was essentially a publicity stunt.  One he was clearly seriously in the running for the GOP nomination, I assumed he was just trying to become president to inflate his ego.  That may actually be true.  
 

But once he won, I assumed that he (or those close to him) would ensure he was surrounded by competent people he could delegate all the real responsibility to; that his role would be mainly to get on camera and brag, but that he wouldn’t really want to do the work of being president.  I figured he might involve himself superficially in some trade deal negotiations to have something to brag about, but that he’d quickly tire of that when he realized it was actual hard work.  I also assumed he would hate being president and ensure he only served one term.  Wrong across the board.  The piece of shit is intent on fucking up EVERYTHING, ALL THE WAY.

Giving a person like Trump the power and prestige that comes with being President must be like injecting heroin for a normal person.  He needs that again and will never let go of it if he gets it again.

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3 hours ago, Snake Diggity said:

It’s crazy to me that someone with multiple bankruptcies on their resume was ever a viable candidate for president, much less actually elected.

You have to understand, we are a country of standards, and we must be consistent.  For instance, Dan Quayle once blew any repeat shot at VP by spelling a common root vegetable "potatoe".

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13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You have to understand, we are a country of standards, and we must be consistent.  For instance, Dan Quayle once blew any repeat shot at VP by spelling a common root vegetable "potatoe".

Yes, but what is the root word of that adjective vegetable? 

That he was arguably the most largess voice of reason to Mike Pence during the election certification proves my belief that we live inside a computer simulation.

That I once had lunch with Dan Quayle at a Central Florida Steak 'n Shake with my across-the-hall dorm-mate who used to bang his daughter only confirms my belief that none of this is real.  

Why more prominent Republicans and Democrats like Clinton, Quayle, Bush, and Romney aren't constantly on the assault against Trump truly worries me.  But remember, go to church.  Go to work.  Sleep.  Reproduce.  Obey.  And then I fucking promise you as God as my witness, Frank Stallone will be his running mate.  And you will all have a great laugh and they will push the reset button.  

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59 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Word.  Initially I assumed Trump’s campaign was essentially a publicity stunt.

It was. Woodward's first book on him talks about this.

58 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


I just meant I was optimistic about who we really were as a society despite the evidence prior to Nov 2016.

Yes. I know. Point still stands.

Posted
1 hour ago, Heisenberg said:

Regarding Trump/Trump's lawyer Clifford Robert asking for a stay of the pending judgment order, Judge Engoron has spoken:

 

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I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your receivables. 

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26 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Maybe God will fuck his receivables right in their goat ass

Until he actually crashes, until he is actually fully and finally ruined, until he is in a cell or dead.....I maintain that

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18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Until he actually crashes, until he is actually fully and finally ruined, until he is in a cell or dead.....I maintain that

I think starting the 30-day window on appealing the judgment will ruin him.  He can't afford to put up a cash bond, and no one is going to underwrite a bond for him.

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16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Until he actually crashes, until he is actually fully and finally ruined, until he is in a cell or dead.....I maintain that

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Even then, He has a looooooooooong fucking list to get on. 

I've always maintained that if there is a God, we were his 8th grade science project. 

He procrastinated most of the assignment time, then spent 6 days furiously collecting data and writing a shit report. 

Day 7, we were disposed of under His bed. We have been there, alone, ever since.

The heat death of the Sun will happen when mom get sick of the mess while he's away at college and throws us out. 

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